(New Zero Null Nothingness Beyond Infinity), With Dr Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada on 2026 February 24 to March 4, and more, see below

[Thirumala Raya Halemane]

(New Zero Null Nothingness Beyond Infinity), With Dr Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada on 2026 February 24 to March 4, and more, see below  

(1) Discussion with Dr Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada on my New Zero Null Nothingness Beyond Infinity concept proposal  

(2) my earlier email header on this subject

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(1) Discussion with Dr Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada on my New Zero Null Nothingness Beyond Infinity concept proposal  

On Tue, Feb 24, 2026 at 8:33 AM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

What is the symbolic representation of Purna which is the opposite of Sunya?

The concept of Nothingness or Sunya is a mere mental concept. It is not the same as the zero used in the numerical system of Maths. As a philosophical doctrine, the concept of Purna suggests that God exists prior to all existence. It means that God exists prior to the creation of Matter and its verification using the numerical system of counting. When all things are removed, God still exists.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Tuesday, February 24, 2026 at 08:52:29 AM EST, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Great! Thank You. and, I agree with you, 

It is a pleasure to read your comments, writings,

Dear Sir Shree Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada avarugaLu Ji Sir. 

Our Many Thanks, Regards, Namaskaars-PraNaams and Best Wishes to you and all family, and to ALL

raya

(thirumala raya halemane) 

13 Eagles Pass, Princeton, NJ 08540

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2026 at 10:49 AM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

You have not answered my query. As a mathematician, you have to suggest a symbol for the concept called Purna or Whole. You are familiar with the term Whole Numbers. Your hypothesis suggests a new zero that goes beyond infinity. How do you like it to be represented by a symbol?

In my view, the visual symbol for zero or Sunya and the visual symbol for Purna or Whole are just the same; 0 = Zero and 0 = Purna or Whole. God exists even if Nothing exists and God exists even when the entire creation exists. God is Purna or Whole; nothing can be added or subtracted from what is Whole, Perfect and Complete.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Thursday, February 26, 2026 at 08:21:25 PM EST, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well said, Shree Rudra Ji, 

thanks for this reply, and for pointing out that there was a query there. Great. 

(I had not read it as a query, question for me) to answer.

However, you write, "Purna is the opposite of Sunya", but I do not think that is what the 

philosophers mean, mentioned in connection with the concept of God, in shlokas etc.

Yes, these are mental constructs, to help in our understanding. 

In the spirit of what I wrote, Sunya is beyond Purna, Sunya is not the opposite of Purna

It is similar to saying that God exists beyond Creation. It is okay to say Purna = Sunya, that both are

WHOLE, COMPLETE, PERFECT. And, then also, your statements will all be valid, God, symbols etc. 

 

And, I think you are right in your view of using the same symbol for both Sunya and Purna in the 

context or understanding of the entities therein, such justification can be made.

It is in a way similar to the God concept, where purNaguNa, nirgUNa, essentially are the same, 

each includes the other, of course. So PurNa includes Shunya, Shunya includes Purna, in that 

understanding and interpretation of completeness, whole, perfect and then, there is nothing left to say.

It is also similar to using the same symbol for both open interval and closed intervals if we have 

infinity at that end, that is sets in the number system, like S = [a,b) and S = [a, b] when b is infinity, 

instead of using the open and closed brackets. And, since b is infinity, it is okay, the perception,

the meaning is still maintained, whether we use open ) or closed ] at the b end.

In all cases. (a, infinity) is the same as (a, infinity], we can say, since we are not talking about what 

may or may not lie beyond our imagination. and, this is where God concept also awes us, 

and, no need for negative integers for this discussion,

For going "beyond" existence, imagination fails us or is insufficient, it is said to be in para, 

or ABSOLUTE TRUTH, with maya enveloping our existence, perceptions and reality, and 

limiting us to the "here", not able to go to "beyond".  

The meaning of what you have written is the same, all countable or finite numbers are fully 

included in the interval, in the sense of Purna. 

So, what is not included, and what lies beyond it ? And, of course, nothing lies beyond infinity, 

this NOTHING is in the sense of Sunya, but it is not the same as usual zero in the number 

system, like in 0, 1, 2, .. or in 1-1 = 0

I did not have a readily available symbol choice, so I just used "nobi" in my suggestion for that 

concept or mental construct. 

In a sense, (0,infinity) and (0, infinity] are two representations for the entire set of positive whole numbers. 

We can call them both as Purna, or the first one itself as Purna and the second one Purna with Sunya 

also included at the very end to make it into a closed interval. Infinity is not a fixed number or value.

We can also envision here Number System God, and the entire number system is part of it, is part 

of the Number System God. and in some ways nobi extends that presence to the beyond, to para, 

to outside of the imaginable or can-be-imagined numbers, to the Number System God. (!!!). 

Yes, these are all mental constructs, for help with our understanding and awareness. 

God is also beyond, in Shunya, in "para". (as in para shiva ?), but also permeating 

existence, exists in the whole universe (as in sadaa shiva ?)

Here, different aspects are  imagined. And, maya can be thought of as the boundary between 

para (what is beyond), and apara (what is not beyond, what is here). Maya is like a veil limiting 

our understanding and imagination of our connection to the beyond, to God Divinity.

We can use Zero 0 as the symbol for absence and One 1 symbol for presence, as in the binary system.

0000000..(infinity times) is still ZERO in value or meaning = ABSENCE = 0

11111111..(infinity times) is INFINITY in value or meaning = PRESENCE = 1, not infinity

So, interpretation, context, meaning, are important, can vary, not uniform, etc 

Here, digit 0 is the symbol for ABSENCE, for something not present, in the meaning 

we are not talking about the digit itself.

Symbols are not the same as their meanings. 

Symbols help in the working of the calculations, of course.

Thinking of a symbol for nobi, it can be something new or creative, 

say like a square or a circle with an x written inside  

or something else entirely may be suitable also.

Regards and Best Wishes

thirumala raya halemane

13 eagles pass, princeton, nj 08540

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On Sat, Feb 28, 2026 at 7:44 AM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Mass-energy equivalence, described by Einstein's equation E = mc²

My query is for a very obvious reason that cannot be ignored. Your proposition is shared without attaching a formula or equation and your hypothesis cannot be verified unless you attach numbers or symbols to claim that the new zero goes beyond infinity.

I am afraid to suggest that your understanding of “Nirguna” may not be correct for you used the term Purna Guna. The opposite of Nirguna is Saguna. The term Guna is described in Triguna Vibhaga Yoga of Bhagavad Gita. The three basic gunas or behavioral traits are named Sattva (Goodness), Rajas (Passion) and Tamas (Ignorance). In the Indian tradition and as per extensive literature, God in the immanent realm displays all the three modes of behavior.

Very often, people confuse the term Guna or Behavioral traits with Nature. What is the true or real nature of man? Shankara in Nirvana Shatakam emphatically claims that he shares the Blissful Nature of Shiva (ShivOham, ShivOham). The God called Nirguna (without attributes) is Blissful; He remains Blissful while He creates and destroys His own creation.

You will not be able to include the concept of Zero or Sunya in relation to Infinity by considering the philosophical doctrine of Sunyata. I am not concerned about the unchanging Blissful Nature of God. In Mathematics, Numerals or symbols are used in describing quantities. The quantities are measurable for things have attributes like mass, shape, volume, momentum and etc., You have to define Zero as a numerical symbol and tell us if it includes any measurable quantity. If you look at the Big Bang Theory, it expects the existence of Mass (that occupies Space) before its expansion. As far as Physics is concerned, there is no Sunya in the beginning. You cannot extend Zero to Infinity.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Tue, Mar 3, 2026 at 9:04 AM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I noticed that you have shared my e-mail ID with dozens of spam operators.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Tuesday, March 3, 2026 at 09:06:34 PM EST, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shree Rudra Ji,

Thanks for your replies and the comments. 

I often include my close family in the copy to list, that's what you are referring 

to in this case, I think. 

Usually, they are  just supportive of me, and there is no need for you to be 

concerned. I do it for my own purposes, including that of self-protection for 

me, (and for us also), for mutual help, by working in the open, going public. 

The public arena is a way of self-defense, since forces with hostile or evil intent 

are less likely to do it in public. So, for my purposes, the public arena is most 

important. Sorry about that. I apologize for any inconvenience andor discomfort 

because of my actions. Please ignore it or rise above it or do whatever is needed 

for you because of it, that is my needs. 

And, there is no need to worry about me. So, please do what is best for you only.  

I am not a practising mathematician or physicist, my knowledge in these fields, 

in science etc is very limited and not up to date.

I am not a shastra expert, and so my understanding of concepts related to that 

area may also be not like that of the experts, I agree.

However, let me say that we can think of being "Blissful" as a guNa, or an attribute, 

and God is considered as beyond all attributes.

So, anything we say or write or name about God is in the realm of existence only, 

of saguNa nature, it is like a projection of divinity into our real world existence.

Here, I am using guNa as a characteristic or attribute, more like in Kannada, but

it can perhaps connect with what you are saying, triguNa in the Bhagavadgita.

It is perhaps better to say that Blissful is the nature of aatma in its purest state 

in this world, in the existence we see around us, and it is considered possible 

to attain such a state or be in such state, as in the case of enlightened beings, 

like rishis or sages, and divine avatars

We can still understand the "Shivoham" statement by saying that atma has 

the nature of God paramaatma, like a spark from a fire, tiny but representing 

the whole in the real world, in the existence realm. 

Ideas can exist without having the need for equations, quantities, measurements. 

So I disagree with that type of argument you have given.

Also, here I was not extending the zero concept to infinity.

It was about NOTHINGNESS beyond infinity, (not our usual zero, that's why i called it 

new zero nothingness, and a new symbol needed for it, not to be confused with the 

usual zero. 

We can also say NULL BEYOND INFINITY if that is a preferred word for less confusion. 

The null set is not confused with zero, it has no members, absence of members.

Our Many Thanks, Regards and Best Wishes

thirumala raya halemane

13 eagles pass, princeton, nj 08540

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On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 9:10 AM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

My concern is not about individuals in your address list. It includes the names of entities that operate scams, like the scam in which you got fully involved and paying money as demanded.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 11:27 AM Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shree Rudra Ji,

Hmmm.. I see ..

Thanks for your explanation. 

Please Bear With Me.

It is unfortunate that now they may be interested in targeting you.

Anyways, things will fall into place, despite any confusions. 

I apologize for any inconvenience, discomfort.

Please let me know if you need any help.

Our Many Thanks, Regards and Best Wishes

thirumala raya halemane

13 Eagles Pass, Princeton, NJ 08540

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(2) my earlier email header on this subject

On Saturday, February 21, 2026 at 09:33:15 PM EST, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

(NEW ZERO NOTHINGNESS BEYOND INFINITY) concept explained, also touches nirguNa, budhism concepts, (1) + (2) + (3), and more, see below  

includes 

(1) my several old email interactions with Shree Prasad Bhargava Ji in 2010 August with Subject: Re: nirguNa, also touching budhism, also copied to various others

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(2) my old email to Shree Prof  R T Bumby Ji, from 2010 August 14 with Subject: new zero after infinity for number system, makes it closed, complete, perfect

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(above two, (2) +(1), were copied or forwarded to various others in 2010 with Subject: nirguNa and buddhism)

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(3) my 2026 February 17 email (3B) message to Shree Guru Sri. H.H. Ramakrishnanda Saraswathi Swamiji (Sankaracharya of SriVidhya Peetam.) Vedaravishangar - Sisya of H. H. Swamiji with Subject: NEW ZERO NOTHINGNESS CONCEPT EXPLAINED = Fwd: new zero after infinity for number system, makes it closed, complete, perfect (on seeing his LinkedIn post about Shunyam, and my comments (3A) on the post there)

Our Many Thanks, Regards and Best Wishes to them all, and to ALL.

(REST DELETED, see my earlier email or post on this)

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in the old photo here,from 1980s very likely (?), we see, our three sisters, eldest Usha Kiran in the middle, Jahnavi on the left, youngest Sudha is on the right, with our youngest in the family brother Ravi Bhat at right-most, and at left-most it is me (Thirumala Raya), number 2 in the order of 8 siblings. Photo taken in our then home there, in Nanthoor, Mangalore, Dakshina Kannada district, Karnataka State, TuLunaaDu region, India, when I visited. As mentioned to me some years ago by my niece Deepika (Usha Kiran's daughter), "Jaanu atthe chenda" meaning aunt Jahnavi is beautiful, implying that she was the most beautiful amongst the three sisters or amongst us, and Okay, Agreed. Jahnavi is now no more, she passed away in 2009.