Languages, Religious etc are impacted by the power structures

[Thirumala Raya Halemane]

Subject: Languages, Religious etc are impacted by the power structures

Subject: Languages, Religious etc are impacted by the power structures
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 10:58 AM Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:
IN A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHTER VEIN, LET ME SAY THIS
IN U.S.A. MOST SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES HAVE SOME FOREIGN LANGUAGE LEARNING REQUIREMENTS
AND, SOME DECADES AGO, LIKE IN 1980s, SOME PEOPLE WERE ARGUING THAT THEY SHOULD
ALLOW KNOWING COMPUTER LANGUAGES LIKE BASIC, FORTRAN, C  ETC
AS EQUIVALENT OR SUFFICIENT, ENOUGH TO SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT ...
(well, it is not a bad argument, i think .. gives lots more freedom in choices that students can make)
and, obviously, there is politics with languages, as with religions.
artificially politically motivated and introduced ones also there ..
so, we need to deal with all of that ...
how power can affect and impact all these ...(???)
ps:
YES, OUR CHILDREN SUFFERED, WERE TARGETED
=== 

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 6:20 AM Amrit Ratna Tuladhar <losth...@mail.com.np> wrote:
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Subject: Re: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

I think you are missing a very important point. Urdu was in the family of Indian Sub continent Languages, as Hindi and Sanskrit and Urdu admirers still think so.

But some Muslims high jacked it and instrumentalised it as the unworthy tool of creating discard and dis harmony and also atni national activities.

This led to the partition of the country with miseries and further acrimonies. When you say that it became National Language of Pakistan.  I must add that  it is untrue.  Why Bangladesh came into being was because Urdu was IMPOSED by Punjabi Muslims (Rulers) disregarding and disrespecting the Bengali Language. How could this Imposed Language create harmony in Sindh against the Sindhi Language. There exists oerpetual unrest on this point and also in Balochistan, where Balochi is revered.

Language(s) should not be groomed for evil motives!

B.K. Chaudhari

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Subject: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

By tradition, URDU is taken as a separate language. In view of the grammar, it is identical with Hindi.
Come to the point with the discussion.
During the period of Muslim Rule in a sizable part of India, Muslims adopted Arabic Script for writing Hindi, but they used Arabic/Persian words. And they called it URDU. That practice is still Continued. It is like India as identified our nation and Hindustan as known to Gulf countries. But real name of our country is Bharat. India, Hindustan and Bharat is the same  country.

UNO recognizes as a language URDU as a language of Pakistan. UNO does not work as an authority to define a language. I have written as to how a language differ from other language. Please read it with application of mind. Reply to the point.

Tell, what is the URDU and Hindi of the following sentences
of English. You write URDU in Devnagari Script.

(1) Where are you going?

(2) What is the name of your sister?

(3) Where is Taj Mahal ?

(4) He has gone.

I can quote thousands of sentences where rule of tenses and cases are the identical. English has many Hindi words. By using Hindi words in English, the English cannot become a separate language. Similarly by writing English in Devnagari script, English does not become a separate  language.
On Saturday, 5 February, 2022, 01:32:01 pm IST, Amrit Ratna Tuladhar <losth...@mail.com.np> wrote:

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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2022 5:14 p.m.
Subject: Re: Fw: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

Dear All!

We do have a veteran barrister like Mahavir Bansal who holds top honorary degrees on the academic chart. Besides, he has superb links with the United States of America and Great Britain as well. As such, he should be able to settle the manadtory case pending at hand towards a more meaningful direction at the soonest, you see. Very obviously, Islamabad fetched her independence on the 15th of August 1947 sharing similarity with New Delhi of India historically. Hindi then stood as the national language of India whilst Urdu then stood as the national language of Pakistan. I do feel that this is a fair and square agenda. Now, how have we been put under a sheer compulsion in coming to hear of a colossal non-sense after a span of several decades in the new millenium that Urdu is not a language at all? Back in Dhaka of Bangladesh (East Pakistan), I came across the local citizens utilizing the term of "Bandhu" in a verbal manner. By the way, India and Pakistan are both republics who in event were British or English colonies before or till the 15th of August 1947. Thank you.

Truly yours,

Amrit Ratna Tuladhar
World Peace Marcher     
Kathmandu Valley, Nepal.     

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Subject: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

We should notice that the Government of India has approved the Indian Service Examination for URDU. I do not know how many Hindus know URDU. Muslims have already declared that they will catch hold of the All India Services. We cannot rely upon the Muslims as to how they, who are already in the Indian Services, may check the answer papers of the Muslims. URDU as such is not a separate language. It is the Hindi only, but set in the Arabic scripts. Simply by changing a script, a language cannot be recognized as a separate language. This is what I have discussed in my article. How funny would it look about Gujlish, Hinglish, Assalish, Banglish, Odlish, ... is recognized a separate language than Gujarati, Hindi, Assamese, Bengali, Odia?

On Friday, 4 February, 2022, 01:48:30 p.m. IST, bk chaudhari <bk_cha...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yes, but it cannot be wiped out.  The Arabic Script/Persian Scripts were not the imposed necessities, but felt the needs and it is not a joke to discard it straight away.

What I  would suggest is let the person taste the world of Urdu or Hindi and make up its own mind.  No body should be in a position to dictate its exclusive likings or otherwise.

Please do treat a perzson as an ENTITY.

Thanks & Regards

B.K.C.

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Subject: Fw: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

Gentlemen:

Should I be an escapee from "Ranchi Mental Hospital" as Mr. Tilak Bahadur Shrestha, Ph.D. boldly alleges, he must then definitely be an elusive escapee from Birmingham Jail itself located down by the sothern state of Alabama. Strictly speaking, I was never admitted into "Ranchi Mental Hospital" at all. Please do request Doctor Shrestha to present any sound proof that I ran away from "Ranchi Mental Hospital." Does the Government of India possess any official record that formally charges me as claimed by Doctor Shrestha? He must put an instant stop to cracking jokes that hurts the feelings of the others as well as stealing much of the precious time belonging to the others. He ought to be able to challenge Islamabad if he bears the proper guts for the case of URDU, you see.

Has not the United Nations Organization (U.N.O.) recognized URDU officially as a state language of Pakistan? It is formally registered in New York City and the contemporary Secretary-General is always the principal eye-witness to it, you see. Please convince Doctor Shrestha to cease making any slanderous comments  that bear no value at all. The Bollywood Film Industry of India permanently stands in favor of URDU Terms to brighten up their productions, you see. How has Doctor Shrestha forgotten that concept after having enjoyed motion-pictures, numerous in number, written, produced and directed by Hindu citizens with the utilization of Urdu vocabulary here and there. Hindi may be the Mother of English. However never bother to boast off that the ancient oriental classical vernacular of Sanskrit is the only all-in-all medium of South Asia. There inlcude others too like Pali, Magadh, etc. Thank you.

Sincerely yours,

Amrit Ratna Tuladhar
World Peace Marcher     
Kantipur, Nepal.

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Subject: Re: Fw: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

Who says it? Urdu has a script just like any other language. By definition, a language is one which has scripts, can be written and spoken as well.

As far as the Dharma is concerned, it is said in our scriptures perhaps in the Vedas " à ¤§à ¤°à ¥‡à ¤¤à ¥€ à ¤¤à ¥‡ à ¤§à ¤°à ¥�à ¤® " means one which is embodied (Truth, Godly qualities) in ourselves is the Dharma. Religion is made from Re means again + legion means unite (like VFW  Legions No. 35 for example, means Veyerans of Foreign Wars club No.35 where they meet or unite together). Else all these so called Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, etc are à ¤ªà ¤‚à ¤¥ or sects - NOT DHARMA OR RELIGION.

Thanks.
Best wishes.

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Dharma is pristine glory of Paramhans  Supreme Brahm, which dwells in each and every object and atom even in stones.
Some people throw stones to kill and torture but some pick these to fashion beautiful Idols and images to derive inspiration of Paramatma. For God lives in idols as you connect to Bhagwan through it. These stones are evidence of great primordial energy.
We remember our ancestors and offer them our respects. Each and every great man and woman who came in this world for good of all, we call them Devis and Devta,  they bless us.
But those who destroy Param purush and Saints and Gurus and their images are classified as à ¤¦à ¥�à ¤·à ¥�à ¤Ÿ Rakshas.
We give thanks to Paramatma what all gives us.
We respect our deities, we give bath to them, offer them fruits and flowers. He gives us joy and smiles but Rakshas have no idea of it.

Dharma

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Subject: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

Read the science of languages and horoscopes of English. Hindi Mother of English through the enclosed synopsis.)
https://www.amazon.in/Hindi-mother-English-Believe-not-ebook/dp/B08MD47X1V

Yours faithfully,
Mahavir Bansal (Advocate)

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Subject: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

"Who the hell claims that URDU is not a language at all? Bull shit by all means. In case URDU (consisting of modern Grammar plus Composition) is not a language, what is it then at all? Pray tell me in a most frank manner with all the transparency needed at the moment." On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 5:33 PM, Amrit Ratna Tuladhar <losth...@mail.com.np> wrote this.

"Urdu is not a language.." is a subject line given by me long back. What I meant to say that URDU is not a separate language than the HINDI. The difference between Hindi and URDU is the Script. Hindi is written in Devnagari Script. Where as URDU is written in Arabic / Persian scripts. But by using a different script, a language cannot be qualified as a different language. There is no reason to not write URDU in Devnagari Script.

I reproduce my article here under. If you cannot read it properly here, you may clock on the link hereunder.

https://treenetram.wordpress.com/2020/09/18/urdu-is-not-a-language/

URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE
There is a simple question.
How can a language be identified?
Language can be identified by its rules of Grammar
i.e.
What are the cases?
How the words (the words  may be a  noun, verb, pronoun, proper noun) are changed when they are associated in a case, tense, gender, number (Singular, plural, dual),
What are the rules of prefix and suffix?
How many tenses?
How many cases?
How many types of verbs …,
Is it that a language can be identified and defined by only by a Scripts?
Let us take the last point.
(1) Somebody writes a sentence as “Fi long kumno?�
(2) Somebody writes a sentence as â€œà ¦«à ¦¿ à ¦²à §‹à ¦¨à §�à ¦— à ¦•à §�à ¦®à §�à ¦¨à §‹?â€�
(3) Somebody write a sentence as â€œà ¤«à ¤¿ à ¤²à ¥‹à ¤‚à ¤— à ¤•à ¥�à ¤®à ¥�à ¤¨à ¥‹?â€�
(4) Somebody writes a sentence as â€œà ª«à ª¿ à ª²à «‹à ª‚à ª— à ª•à «�à ª®à «�à ª¨à «‹?â€�
These are four sentences written in different scripts.
Actually it is a sentence of the Khasi language of Meghalaya State. Its translation in English is “how are you?
As a part of British Government agenda, Thomas Jones a missionary, introduced the Roman script for Khasi  in 1841. William William had first published a Gournal in 1880. For a long time Khasi used to be written in Bengali Script. But under the increase of conversion from Hindu to Christianity, the speed of the usage of Roman Script increased. Minimum 90/95 percent among Khasi-s are Christians.
Now let us come to the point.
If Khasi is written in Bengali Script or Roman Script, does it become a separate language from Khasi?
No. Not at all. Script used, cannot change the language. Because a language can be identified by its grammar. Script does not change the grammar of a language.
What is the benefit/purpose of a changed script of a language?
(1) For pronunciation of the sound of the consonants and vowels.
(2) For adding missing consonants and vowels,
(3) For having a feeling of separate identity
(4) For meeting with political aims.
Sanskrit language was once being written in Brahmi. Sanskrit was also being written in many other scripts.
But ultimately a Devanagari Script was constructed and adopted which is almost a complete script for all sounds. Sanskrit has its complete grammar.
Many languages use Devanagari Script. There are different languages e.g. Hindi, Marathi, Haryanavi, Maravadi. These languages use Devanagari Script. Some 150+ years back Gujarati language had used Devanagari Scripts at least for verse till 1950.
What is common to Indian origin scripts? They are phonetic.
Devanagari Script is used for Hindi language. To incorporate missing sounds, it contains some characters of similar/comparable sound with minor modification. E.g. à ¤•- à ¥˜, à ¤–-à ¥™, à ¤—-à ¥š, à ¤�, à ¤�, à ¤œ-à ¥›, à ¤¡-à ¥œ, à ¤«-à ¥ž, à ¤“-à ¤‘, …
(1) à ¤†à ¤ª à ¤•à ¥ˆà ¤¸à ¥‡ à ¤¹à ¥‹ ?
(2)  آپ کیسی �یں ی� کیسا Û�Û’ØŸ
The sounds of Hindi and Urdu are the same. 
(1) Aap kaise ho
(2) Aap kaise ho
Aapakaa ghar kahaan hai?(Where is your house?), Aap kahaan so jaaoge? (Where would you sleep?)
Sounds of the sentences written in Hindi and Urdu are the same. But the Script would be different.
The Muslims in India adopted the grammar of verbs, pronouns, tenses, suffix, prefix, cases, and tenses as that of Hindi. They used some words of    Arabic/Persian, and the scripts nearly Arabic. They call it URDU. It looks funny in real sense.
By the usage of words of some other languages, the language does not get changed.
He sent money through HAWALA, He is after all a GURU, He is a GUNDA? Who had LOOTED India?
In the above sentences there are many Hindi/Gujarati words. English has many words of  Latin and Greek. But by the use of those words, the English language does not become a different language.
Similarly in Indian languages we use many English words. Day by day we are increasingly use English words. But Indian language remains as it is.           
Look at the reasons for switch over to other Script. The reason 3 and 4 are not always advisable.
What was the British Agenda?
To condemn the local civilization and culture.
To establish their supremacy by lies and frivolous arguments.
To change local history to fit to their agenda, i.e. local people owes nothing special. They were primitive people.
To highlight the differences and dividing aspects of locals, they did    this out of proportion. They concentrated on the poor mass for conversion and create a feeling that they were ignored by local elites. The elites had suppressed them to keep them poor.
Ultimately the converted poor mass, started to feel that they are separate, and they should have some separate entity.
The British missionaries under the sweet eye and support of the British government converted Khasi and all those people of border/remote places, into Christianity. Now you can find, the Khasi believes that they are non-Indian. It is by mistake they are born in India. Their father land is UK, Italy, Spain, USA, Canada or any other developed country of West. This is the general feeling that they do not owe anything of India.
This situation made easy to change the Script of Khasi language. Actually the Bengali Script was significantly a complete and advantageous script, but because of the feeling of “separate entity, the Khasi people adopted a mismatched, irrelevant and defective script.
Similar is a case of Muslims.
When Muslim acquired a significant portion of India and they felt that they need the help of locals they adopted Hindi language, but they adopted the same with Arabic Script. Hindus also had learnt Urdu dialect but many of them adopted Devanagari Script.
There can be no objection for Arabic Urdu Script. But Government should not recognize the Arabic/Persian Script for Urdu.

Why?
Look at Kathiyavadi people. They use lot of Kathiyavadi words which are quite different from most of the Gujarati words. If the pronunciations and words are taken into account, they are quite different to Gujarati. The    distance between Kathiyavadi and Gujarati is greater than the distance between Urdu and Hindi. Despite of this Kathiyavadi is not a separate language. Kathiyavadis have never demanded a separate Script. Katchi language too has the same Gujarati Script. Really it is a separate language. But Katchi can never think of a separate script.
Congi party has pampered Muslims. Urdu which is not a language at all,  but Congis have recognized it, a separate language.
Why do the Nationalists should object?
We must know what is the word “Lutyen Gangs?
Have you watched the video where Arnav Goswami of Bharat Republic TV, had taken the interview of the retired Chief Justice of Supreme Court Mr. Tarun Goggoi? If anyone does not believe in exposed truth by the former CJ, then nobody can help him/her.
Mr. Tarun Goggoi had said that till you (Government) cannot eliminate the influence of the Lutyen Gang, you cannot expect independence judiciary. Anybody want details of the interview, he/she can watch the interview online before it is removed.
How is the matter of Urdu, relevant to the influence of the Lutyen Gang/s.
Who was T N Seshan? Who was S R Rao? Who was G R Khairnar?
All these three were from the Indian Administrative Service. They had made revolutionary changes in their field. Seshan had made revolution in application of laws in election. Rao had converted a dirtiest city of India into a Cleanest City of India viz. Surat. G R Khairnar had attacked on illegal constructions. Latter two IAS officers were not popular among the Congi gangs. But they were extremely popular among mass. Both of these officers were troubled by frequent transfers. The Congi Gang could not trouble Seshan because he was the Chief of Election Commission and no option was available with the gang to transfer him once he had been posted. Thereafter Congis introduced the change that Commissioner cannot take independent decision. The Chief Commissioner has to take majority decision with other two Election Commissioners.
Most of the IAS officers are inefficient if you view their performance. It is not only IAS officers who are inefficient but most of the Officers of the other Indian Services e.g. Postal, Police, Telecommunication, Foreign Affairs are also inefficient.
What qualities they are supposed to possess, they are lacking in them.  We can write a separate blog on it.
We hear many times, the Government Officers indirectly use to complain that they have to work under political pressure. This is totally wrong. The officers of Indian Services are well protected by law. No politician can touch an efficient officer of Indian Services. But unfortunately officers of Indian Services are not efficient, and their level is such that they surrender to politicians. Much more unfortunate situation is that they carry out joint venture in fraud and mal-practices with the politicians. Because politicians only can overlook their inefficiency and defects.
Now look at the case of Kangana Ranaut. She is a heroine of Bollywood. Kangana Ranaut has revolted against the vested interest gang of Bollywood on the basis of the case of controversial murder of Sushant Singh. How suddenly the MMC (Mumbai Municipal Corporation) can act with discrimination in demolishing the house of Kangana Ranaut? The inherent reason is simple, that Kangana Ranaut has tried to expose drug mafia gang of Bollywood.
The head of the MMC has taken a big risk in demolishing the house of    Kangana Ranaut with discrimination. It is an open secret that the MMC head, has worked under the influence of Drug Mafia Gang of Bollywood, and or, under    the influence of S. Sena lead MMC and the State Government. Now the matter has gone to High Court. If the HC could not identify of its own the said discrimination, the matter may go to the Supreme Court.
Now let us come to the main point.
Though URDU is not a language under the norms required for recognizing a language, and despite of this, if URDU is allowed in the competitive examinations of Indian Services, what would be the ultimate outcome?
Look at this;
Indian judiciary is influenced by Lutyen Gang,
Lutyen Gang is deadly against Narendra Modi and BJP party.
Lutyen Gang is composed of Congi party, Congis culturally allied parties (e.g. S. Sena, NCP, RJD, SP, TMC, CPIM, NC, PDP, AaP), ISI of Pakistan, Urban Naxal, Cross border terrorist organizations, several paid columnists (who generate lies, spread lies, hide facts and twist matters), so called learned people of media and TV channels, Anti-social elements cum drug mafia and the Bollywood Heroes, Heroine, producers, writers, directors. All these when work jointly, what they cannot do? Yes. They can do everything. They can kill anybody, they can influence police, and they can influence judiciary. If anybody howsoever great may be, goes against their business, they first try to bribe, then threat and then, can kill the person. Then they bribe police, doctors, witness, media houses to suppress the news, politicians … They can make the law ineffective. These gangs jointly called Lutyen Gang composed of many other gangs.
These so called liberal, so-called peaceful, so called tolerant, so called democratic, so-called secular, so-called humanist, are all having the opposite characteristics. They are most vindictive, most anarchist, most intolerant, most undemocratic and fascist, most communal, most inhuman and ready to break India. There are lot of events which exposes them to suit their property. Ask me separately.
Who will opt for URDU language in Indian Services examinations?
It would be Muslims.
Who will examine their answers?
It would be Muslims only.
Who are most communal community in India?
It is Muslim community.
Now think of the Non-BJP ruled state.
If J&K can killed 1000+ Hindus, if J &K can 10000+ rape Hindu women, if J & K can desert 500000+ Hindus from their houses, that too announcing openly, through loud speakers,  what would be the fate of the people of other state where non-BJP governments are ruling with a plus point of the Indian Services Muslim officers.
Recall. Gulam Nabi Azad was the Home Minister at the Center and PDP Congi ruling in J&K, created anarchy without any fear in 1989-90. That    anarchy remained till Article 370/35A in force. We cannot expect majority Muslims to be peaceful and law abiding people, till they do not come out in large scale to protect Hindus human rights.
BJP Government has to see that the every state has the same yard stick to enforce equally the rule of law. If any state ministry acts with discrimination, soon that state ministry should be dismissed and the political party together with its members should be disqualified for 6 years.
If Muslims want to promote URDU with its own script, they may learn it just like Arabic. Government will not recognize URDU and its Script. Muslims or Hindus whosoever want to write URDU, they may right in Devanagari Script. URDU is Hindi only. The script must be Devanagari.
Shirish Mohanlal Dave

URDU has the same grammar what Hindi has.

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From: savarkar vinayak
To: Amrit Ratna Tuladhar ; Mukund Apte ; Bhalchandra Thattey
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Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2022 3:37 p.m.
Subject: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

URDU IS FOREIGN BHASHAS AND NOT HINDI
All these TALK, LECTURES, ARGUMENTS AND EMOTION FILLED LOVE & HATE IS HARDLY NECESSARY.
TO DO GOOD FOR THE NATION BHARAT, GIVE UP COMPLETELY THIS RUBBISH SO CALLED URDU.  IN YOUR DAILY LIFE USE ONLY SANSKRITISED HINDI.

PRANAM

Tilak ji
NAMASTE

YES, WELL SAID.  URDU IS NOT OUR LANGUAGE. MUSLIMS WANT TO ENCOURAGE URDU ALWAYS AS THEIR OWN CULTURE AND DISTANCING FROM HINDI AND HINDUSTHAN.

LEARN SANKRITISED HINDI WORDS.

PRANAM

On Tuesday, 1 February 2022, 13:36:47 GMT, Tilak Shrestha <til...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dave Jee,
Namaste!

Amrit Tuladhar Jee is an escapee from Ranchi. He likes to write but without any study.
Urdu is Hindi with many technical 'military \ court' words of Arabic and Farasi languages added. Due to the influence of Mughal court, it also uses Arabic script.

Since, Muslims like to distance themselves from own Hindu heritage and rather lie being Arab \ Persian, they take Urdu as their language. They also equate Urdu with Islam. Both issues are nonsense. But that is the weird mindset created by the Islamic brainwashing.

The best is to move towards 'Sanskrit' as the national language. It is most scientific and most of the Indian languages are based on it. Even the South Indian languages use large proportion of Sanskrit words. And keep Urdu as a cultural sub-set of Hindi.

Thanks, Tilak

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 5:55 pm, surender mohan <sure...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dharma is pristine glory of Paramhans  Supreme Brahm, which dwells in each and every object and atom even in stones.
Some people throw stones to kill and torture but some pick these to fashion beautiful Idols and images to derive inspiration of Paramatma. For God lives in idols as you connect to Bhagwan through it. These stones are evidence of    great primordial energy.
We remember our ancestors and offer them our respects. Each and every great man and woman who came in this world for good of all, we call them Devis and Devta,  they bless us.
But those who destroy Param purush and Saints and Gurus and their images are classified as à ¤¦à ¥�à ¤·à ¥�à ¤Ÿ Rakshas.
We give thanks to Paramatma what all gives us.
We respect our deities, we give bath to them, offer them fruits and flowers. He gives us joy and smiles but Rakshas have no idea of it.
Dharma means virtuous conduct for all.
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Thanks a lot for sharing.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 12:32 AM TUSHITA-NEPAL YOGA-MEDITATION RETREATS <tushit...@gmail.com> wrote:
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8. The birthplace of Bhagawan Ram, Krishna and Buddha.. and Jesus Christ had spent his 18 years of his mysterious life and received enlightenment at Ruru Rishikesh, Palpa.
9. Where Dhanwantari Dev (father of Ayurveda) and Yogi Patanjali (the father of Yoga- meditation) had emerged ...
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 15:50, Amrit Ratna Tuladhar <losth...@mail.com.np> wrote:
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Subject: Fw: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

Dear Sir,

Besides the THREE NUMBERS appearing in the ancient classical oriental vernacular like Sanskrit, we come across such mentioned numbers in the Anglo medium as well. They virtually include: Monogamy (one wife), Bigamy (two wives) and Polygamy (many wives) + Original, Duplicate and Triplicate in the billing and correspondence system, you see. By the way, have they directly been derived from the ancient classical oriental language of Latin? Let us arrive at any reasonable conclusion, please. Remember we too learnt several Latin Adjectives back in high school: sun --- solar; moon --- lunar; water --- aquatic, etc.? I guess Sanskrit and Latin prove to be the two competitive dialects invented in Eurasia before Christ. Thanking you, I remain --- 

Sincerely yours,

Amrit Ratna Tuladhar
World Peace Marcher
Kathmandu Valley, Nepal 

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Those who make such a claim that Urdu is not a language have prejudiced the mind and cannot defend or praise their own language without naming and fault finding with the other languages. 99% of their defence is based upon the superiority of their particularly preferred language is Grammar.  This is extremely prepostrous.

Sanskrit has THREE NUMBERS (singular, plural and DUAL).  Is Sanskrit moaning, jealous and complaining as to why many other languages have TWO NUMBERS (singular and plural)?  I challenge them to answer it.

The Hindi construction is a sentence with Subject, Verb and then Predicate, whereas English  does it with Subject Predicate and Verb.

Languages evolve in their own NICHES and CIRCUMSTANCES.

B. K. Choudhari

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From: "Bhalchandra Thattey" <bgth...@gmail.com> 
To: "Amrit Ratna Tuladhar" <losth...@mail.com.np> ; "Mukund Apte" <mdapte...@gmail.com> 
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Has not the Punekar Major Saheb already declared that URDU is Hindi written in the Arabic scripts?
That is smart and final

Bhalchandra G. Thattey

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----- Original Message -----
From: Amrit Ratna Tuladhar
To: Ram Bahadur Chhetri
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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:49 p.m.
Subject: Fw: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE

Ladies & Gentlemen: 

Who the hell claims that URDU is not a language at all? Bull shit by all means. In case URDU (consisting of modern Grammar plus Composition) is not a language, what is it then at all? Pray tell me in a most frank manner with all the transparency needed at the moment. I shall stand immensely grateful towards your harmonious gesture. There exists a sheer difference between Language and Literature, you see. Whilst Literature obviously signifies a mere combination of "Prose" and "Poetry." Even in the Senior Cambridge Syllabus, English Language is held compulsory, but English Literature is never assigned a mandatory subject at all. By the way, it is the sublime choice for any candidate to take English Literature liberally or not. In other words, no one is directly put under compulsion to take English Literature, you see. All candidates may not take any diligent interest in poems, lyrics, psalms, hymns, etc. may they be put in music or not. However, concentrating on English Literature together may heavily support English Language some way or other to do one's Cambridge. This concept is basically proposed for those who are no native speakers and who hold English as their second language. Whatever, modern URDU is today featured in the Arabic characters for sure. And Arabia is the first Islamic country of the world indeed. Thus, let us all respect her with any high esteem. 

According to an interview, late Movie Star Dev Anand spoke URDU along with worthy Hindi because he was brought up in Lahore. Later West Pakistan (today just Pakistan alone) then became a foreign country and Dev Anand who got settled in Bombay chose to stay back in mainland India itself hereafter. How wise he was to commit that idea with a reasonable purpose of course. Decades after, Dev Anand stood at the zenith of his career when his super hit film entitled GUIDE was released to the public. I also heard that Dev Anand became a pure vegetarian after his genuine success he achieved in the production of GUIDE which won the National Academic Award presented by the Government of India. Any way, Dev Anand as an orthodox Hindu and a conservative Chhetri may not be able to write Arabic whatsoever. Scrutinizing the special case for a while, I have in event discovered that the oriental vernaculars of Hindi and Urdu colloquially share similarities in methods, numerous in number like the verbal pronunciations, accents and intonations you see. The scripts however straight appear different forever. Hindi goes penned from left to right whilst Urdu goes penned from right to left --- just the opposite.       

They allege "Bollywood Motion-Picture Industry" established in India comparatively emerges as the second top film industry of the globe. Take for any example, the titles of the Hindi movies are featured in English,        Hindi and Urdu in their different respective scripts. Look at the honor shed towards or bestowed on the Muslim brothers and sisters residing in India and elsewhere as well. As such, I would advise all of you to remain very careful and never bother to make any slanderous statements at all. In East Pakistan (today Bangladesh), their national vernacular of Bengali is definitely featured in the Bengali scripts which have been adapted from the original medium of Bengali established by the Hindus of India, you see. I always lose my temper on having to hear of any blasphemy unnecessarily rested on the Muslims. No one is supposed to scorn or mock URDU; nor is any individual obliged to shun the Holy Quran. By the way, wasn't Dev Anand a Punjabi by any South Asian community? Much to our regret and in the mean time, one of his latter movies entitled Prem Pujari faced a serious flop, you know . Some cinema halls were even burnt down to the ground. Why at all? Just because he made a flattery against Pakistan. In the fiction itself, he fought two battles like the Sino-Indian plus the Indo-Pak. It is to be understood very well that he feared the Chinese, but didn't lag behind in nursing a grudge on Pakistan, you see. Prem Pujari was his great loss indeed though he too once became the highest paid actor for a while.   

Take for instance, the High Court, Special Court and Supreme Court of Nepal. Many relevant Urdu terms are utilized within the legal circle you see. Adalat, Wakil, Hakkim, Shaheb, Phaisalla, Badar, Bench, Mukadamma, etc. all virtually belong to the Urdu dialect. Hujoor became Hajur in Nepali. Sultan, Sultanate, Bazaar, Minaret, Badshahs, Begams, Gulams. etc. have entered the Anglo language society. The Nepalese still use words like Salam for any greeting. We come across several eastern words derived from the Islamic society like Farz, Intaqam, Aarzoo, Kabuliwala, Naseeb, Pakizah, Phoulad, Mere Mehaboob, Allah Rakha, etc. which are all held as the famous movie titles. "Kashmir" lying adjacent to Pakistan itself conjures up to be a Muslim vocabulary definitely. From the north of Kashmir stands tall and majestic --- the Roof of the World called the PAMIR KNOT. Isn't PAMIR itself an Urdu word? Whence flank the Great Sulaiman Ranges to the right or to the west with Mount Karakorum (8,611 m.) as the second highest mountain on earth. Punjab, Hyderabad, Ahmadabad, Allahabad, etc. are too in function within the sub-continent, you see. URDU is the national language of Pakistan, both the written and spoken method. According to a hearsay rumor, although the superhit film entitled PAKIZAH was produced by the Hindu Authority of Bombay, it was screened in Lahoire successfully for 6 consecutive years. The cinema also brought the Hindus and Muslims together striving for any        bilateral brotherhood and sisterhood. I am totally against the one who alleged that URDU is not a language at all. Nor is it a dead medium like Latin and Greek. Blast the blast after all!

The Arabian Nights is a collection of very interesting tales that have in event been translated from URDU to English. The bumper volume has been brought to universal limelight indeed. As a matter of fact, I happened to improve my English by reading the English versions back in high school. I guess the special collection has been stocked in most of the libraries and reading-rooms of any alma mater registered within multi-national Asia. Many enchanting titles have also been put in celluloid for a wider propagation around the world, you see. For any formal advocacy in Nepal, URDU terms have been officially resumed in the Nepali scripts called the Devnagari, ancient in nature. For this case, Hindi and Nepali may tally some way or other for sure. The oriental vernacular of URDU has been included in the School Leaving Certificate (S.L.C.) Curriculum of Nepal. Or more accurately, it got introduced in the High School Course and Durbar High School became the first alma mater of Nepal established in 1854 A.D. In the beginning, it was a grammar school meant for the A Class Ranas alone belonging to the aristocratic society. Later it was open to the public in general as well. Historically, Tri-Chandra College was the first seminary of Nepal erected in 1918 A.D. right after the end of the Second Great War, you see. This important step took place during the reign of His Excellency Maharaja Shree Shree        Shree Chandra Samsher Jung Bahadur Rana under the fatherly advice of Ekai Kawaguchi who hailed from Japan of the Far East called the "Great Land of the Rising Sun." Rev. Kawaguchi gave the solid encouragement that the two relevant points of Education and Patriotism were absolutrely found to be necessary to develop a nation towards a more meaningful direction. Praise be Ekai Kawaguchi for his colossal suggestion set forth at hand. Thanking you, I remain --- 

Faithfully yours,

Amrit Ratna Tuladhar, B.A.
Lifelong Member
S.L.C. Batch of 1966
ANANDA-KUTI ALUMNI ASSOCIATION
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K.M.C. Ward No. 15
Swayambhu, Kathmandu, Nepal

----- Original Message -----
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From: "Mahavir Singh" <euclid1...@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 6:36 a.m.
Subject: Re: URDU IS NOT A LANGUAGE
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Madam/Sir,

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On Monday, 6 December, 2021, 05:46:28 am IST, mahavir singh <euclid1...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

We often use but what is the Devnagari lipi/scripts?
Good morning to all. Language is very easy and confine in size unlike the present situation each word we mug up. One base word makes on an average 100 words, see e.g. Oat (in Hindi) ti bear/support (=lee in English) and        oat in English: a cheap food grain which oat/bears pressure on rich crops.Coat oat (cold) boat and float (crossing water), moat (aggression) oath (proving), throat (eating). Riot is ri/addressing ot/bear. We have no option but to ot/bear i.e. can not make it zero: Also riot a riot/tradition. Ottawa in Canada capital and also in Illinois (U.S. state where Ombama's was born in ) and Otta in Norway ot/bear pressure of their respective economies (G.D.P. more than national average): Enjoy the flavor of language and feel to be proud Indians: https://indialegallive.com/.../hindi-mother-of-english.../
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On Sunday, 5 December, 2021, 10:38:21 pm IST, savarkar vinayak <savarkar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Amit ji,
NAMASTE!

The right minded people do know that MKG was the most nalayak person ever born particularly influenced to our nation.

Now the question, why Modiji has encouraged MKG is that we have to look on the political point of view. If Modji hadn't promoted this Nalayak (Modji ji knows that too), Modiji would have not done it; then another nalalyak party Congress defiantly would have taken the advantage of it and gained in their votes. To compress any political gain to Congress what-so-ever, Modiji cleverly subdued the Congress Party and that is why the Congress Party have no legs to stand on.

So please do not say this in public; no opposition should gain against Modi ji at all.

Pranam

On Sunday, 5 December 2021, 15:31:47 GMT, Amit Bhadhuri <abhadh...@gmail.com> wrote:

As I have been all along saying, Gandhi was the biggest Haramkhor British stooge Conman the world has ever created, on top of that Shaitan was an outright pedophile also.

The saddest fact of the nation today, that Modi, since the day he became PM, has become a total mad speed breaker and crossed all limits to promote Gandhi in and outside the nation and spending hundreds of crores of taxpayers' money for it.

In spite of being a life-long BJP supporter, I don't trust that Modi character.  It has gone into his head that he wants to be the world's no 1 popular leader, in desperation of that personal glories, he has become a Chhota Gandhi.  More sadly he has two sidekicks/bootlickers Kobid and Nadda doing the same thing just to please him.

Amit

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On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 20:30, Basu Bose <bbos...@rogers.com> wrote:
That's a good one.

Subhas Bose didn’t need mentoring from Veer Savarkar.

He came from an well accomplished family of large number of brothers and sisters (including Sarat Bose, a lawyer & the then INC influencer) as well as, a long list of nephews and  nieces successful in their field of endeavor or profession.

Besides, the then Bengal was a hotbed of  various shades of (anti British) political activism that were DEVOID OF MKGism, more so, up to the point WHEN the Brits decided to move the capital from Kolkata to Delhi.

Had Subhas wanted to, he could of opted for a safe and comfortable career in ICS (whilst still being an indirect voice of change through writing ) but he threw  him into the dip end through a wide network of revolutionaries (*) and, INC influencers, as well as, with some firebrand writers, poets, essayists, and journalist & of course, with a large cross section of youth who may have looked up to him. 

In his pursuit of evolving means to rise up to the challenges posed by the dominant colonial forces at play, he may well have been a thorn in the flesh of others who wanted to reach the goal of eventual freedom in different ways.

And, naturally, he clashed with the likes of MKG who still have devout followers like Narendra Modis; MKG          later proved to be an arch enemy of the then Bengal and, deliberately, perpetrated a permanent blow (of course, the Brits loved it) to the Bengali Hindus, a statistical minority at the time (“One judges a civilization by how it treats its minority. Really?") from which the Bengali Hindus (on both the sides of Padma) haven't recovered to this day). Never mind his stoic silence (due to his obedience to 10 Downing Street) on the rather trivial matter of the 1943 Bengal famine 

Subhas never wanted a divided Bengal nor, a divided India for that matter, until his last breath. 

(*) When are we going to have truly young revolutionaries like them? So called rebels and change makers in Congis, Naxals, CPMs, TMCs et al are FAKE to the nth degree & corrupt to the hilt

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in the old photo here, from mid 2000s perhaps (the photo file has date 2008 April 19, not sure if correct), we see our friends Mythili Pratiwadi on the right and my wife Usha on the left, photo taken in the upstairs kitchen in the HATCC Sri Guruvaayoorappan temple first building (then the main and only temple building) in Morganville, New Jersey




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