This is all very interesting
My knowledge relates mainly to English eighteenth and nineteenth century games so I am very familiar with Troco or Lawn Billiards, and our website
www.gamesboard.org.uk even has a picture of James holding the stick and ball
One of the Bagatelle boards(made by Riley) I held came with an optional wooden “bridge” to convert it to Trou Madame, with a printed rules sheet including rules for that game. So play of it on a billiards table as an option seems to make sense
Also the firm Jaques made games to be played on deck of ships during long passages. Deck Shovelboard was played with long sticks, so it makes sense to me that the description Trucks or sticks might sometimes relate to Shovelboard, or to a ground version
of it.
Most other ground games used a target as in Curling or Bowls I think, rather than scoring by exact distance, which depended on a smooth surface.
Very sorry I was unable to get to the meeting
I look forward to the write ups
Richard Ballam
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Thierry Depaulis <thierry....@gmail.com>: Apr 18 03:35PM +0200
Hello.
This is a difficult, though exciting lexicographical situation, as you and Jacob showed in your Chemnitz presentations.
We have first to be aware that billiards came first as a game
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Marco Tibaldini <marco.t...@gmail.com>: Apr 18 03:54PM +0200
Dear Thierry, I can’t avoid to express my admiration for the knowledge you have in this field.
I’m speechless: I would have never imagined such a complex story, that you admirably explained in
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Jonas Richter <jonas....@adwgoe.de>: Apr 18 04:19PM +0200
Replying to my own email like a total pro... ;)
I think I could solve one of the questions that puzzled me:
> The latter half of the explanation for trucco ("a kinde of game vsed in
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Jonas Richter <jonas....@adwgoe.de>: Apr 18 05:35PM +0200
Thank you for you valuable input, Thierry! Interesting point about the
English borrowings from Spanish.
> (ground— not ‘lawn’!— billiards) and ‘billard de table’. The Italians
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CosimoCardelliccchio <ccardel...@hotmail.com>: Apr 18 07:15PM +0200
Dear Jonas, dear friends,
I can add my own experience to this discussion. In 2002, I published on
the Italian journal /Tangram/ a paper dedicated to “Livoria”, a Trucco
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Wim van Mourik <wavan...@planet.nl>: Apr 18 07:46PM +0200
Hi Jonas and James,
James asked me if the picture from the Spanish Robinson, with a monkey playing chess, could also be a kind of trucco-table.
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Bert Vertommen <bert.ve...@gmail.com>: Apr 19 12:09AM +0200
Hi Jonas
very little time still, but there is one source from 1642 in the Netherlands, which has a record of a sum of money paid of the wearing out of the cloth of the troktafel (in dutch: trok-
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