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[Richard Ballam]

This is all very interesting 

My knowledge relates mainly to English eighteenth and nineteenth century games so I am very familiar with Troco or Lawn Billiards, and our website www.gamesboard.org.uk even has a picture of James holding the stick and ball

One of the Bagatelle boards(made by Riley) I held came with an optional wooden “bridge” to convert it to Trou Madame, with a printed rules sheet including rules for that game. So play of it on a billiards table as an option seems to make sense

Also the firm Jaques made games to be played on deck of ships during long passages. Deck Shovelboard was played with long sticks, so it makes sense to me that the description Trucks or sticks might sometimes relate to Shovelboard, or to a ground version of it.

Most other ground games used a target as in Curling or Bowls I think, rather than scoring by exact distance, which depended on a smooth surface.

Very sorry I was unable to get to the meeting 

I look forward to the write ups

Richard Ballam 

 

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Thierry Depaulis <thierry....@gmail.com>: Apr 18 03:35PM +0200 Hello.   This is a difficult, though exciting lexicographical situation, as you and Jacob showed in your Chemnitz presentations. We have first to be aware that billiards came first as a game ...more

Marco Tibaldini <marco.t...@gmail.com>: Apr 18 03:54PM +0200 Dear Thierry, I can’t avoid to express my admiration for the knowledge you have in this field. I’m speechless: I would have never imagined such a complex story, that you admirably explained in ...more

Jonas Richter <jonas....@adwgoe.de>: Apr 18 04:19PM +0200 Replying to my own email like a total pro... ;)   I think I could solve one of the questions that puzzled me:     > The latter half of the explanation for trucco ("a kinde of game vsed in ...more

Jonas Richter <jonas....@adwgoe.de>: Apr 18 05:35PM +0200 Thank you for you valuable input, Thierry! Interesting point about the English borrowings from Spanish.   > (ground— not ‘lawn’!— billiards) and ‘billard de table’. The Italians ...more

CosimoCardelliccchio <ccardel...@hotmail.com>: Apr 18 07:15PM +0200 Dear Jonas, dear friends,   I can add my own experience to this discussion. In 2002, I published on the Italian journal /Tangram/ a paper dedicated to “Livoria”, a Trucco da terra, that was ...more

Wim van Mourik <wavan...@planet.nl>: Apr 18 07:46PM +0200 Hi Jonas and James,     James asked me if the picture from the Spanish Robinson, with a monkey playing chess, could also be a kind of trucco-table.     It is strange that the game board seems ...more

Bert Vertommen <bert.ve...@gmail.com>: Apr 19 12:09AM +0200 Hi Jonas   very little time still, but there is one source from 1642 in the Netherlands, which has a record of a sum of money paid of the wearing out of the cloth of the troktafel (in dutch: trok- ...more

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