why do people not take care of their stuff
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ShadowHeart
Mar 30, 2012, 6:47:20 PM3/30/12
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I am looking for someone to explain something to me. We pay good
money for games, so every time we are done we inventory our pieces
when we put them away. I just purchased a game in someones auction
that I open up and inventory and its missing 10+ pieces, he said
nothing, listed nothing missing. The better part of it all is these
are important, can't play the game without them pieces. One of the
subsets you use is supposed to have 12, and it instead has 5, 7
missing. Thinking I am going to message him on the geek if it comes
back up, and then go to paypal for a refund if he doesn't offer it on
his own.
Anyone else been in this situation and have any advice?
money for games, so every time we are done we inventory our pieces
when we put them away. I just purchased a game in someones auction
that I open up and inventory and its missing 10+ pieces, he said
nothing, listed nothing missing. The better part of it all is these
are important, can't play the game without them pieces. One of the
subsets you use is supposed to have 12, and it instead has 5, 7
missing. Thinking I am going to message him on the geek if it comes
back up, and then go to paypal for a refund if he doesn't offer it on
his own.
Anyone else been in this situation and have any advice?
ThatsGobbles
Mar 30, 2012, 6:50:09 PM3/30/12
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You should definitely request a refund, seeing as the claim that "nothing is missing" was false.
nexttothemoon
Mar 30, 2012, 6:59:40 PM3/30/12
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That sucks. As a possible defense though... maybe he's never even
played it and got it in another trade/auction. Some people have
literally hundreds of unplayed games on their shelves that they have
picked up in great deals and simply because they can't resist buying
them... it's easy to get carried away collecting games even when you
don't play most of them.
Personally, years ago I sold a copy of War of the Ring that I had
acquired in a Math Trade. I even had it all out and looked through it
a bit (not thoroughly enough I guess)... then decided it wouldn't get
played often enough at the time.. so sold it later. When the new buyer
contacted me it turns out there was a single piece missing. I said I'm
really sorry but I'd never played it so I didn't realize the piece
wasn't there. The game was pristine and obviously never played by
whomever I got it from as well... so my thoughts are that the piece
was missing since new. He simply contacted the publisher and they sent
him the missing piece.. all ended well.
I know that's probably different in your case as several pieces are
missing, but if you can't get a satisfactory resolution... try the
geek and see if others may have spare parts for trade/sale and also
contact the publisher (if the game is still being made) to see if they
may be able to help out for a small fee. Many have outstanding
customer service and will be happy to help out.
played it and got it in another trade/auction. Some people have
literally hundreds of unplayed games on their shelves that they have
picked up in great deals and simply because they can't resist buying
them... it's easy to get carried away collecting games even when you
don't play most of them.
Personally, years ago I sold a copy of War of the Ring that I had
acquired in a Math Trade. I even had it all out and looked through it
a bit (not thoroughly enough I guess)... then decided it wouldn't get
played often enough at the time.. so sold it later. When the new buyer
contacted me it turns out there was a single piece missing. I said I'm
really sorry but I'd never played it so I didn't realize the piece
wasn't there. The game was pristine and obviously never played by
whomever I got it from as well... so my thoughts are that the piece
was missing since new. He simply contacted the publisher and they sent
him the missing piece.. all ended well.
I know that's probably different in your case as several pieces are
missing, but if you can't get a satisfactory resolution... try the
geek and see if others may have spare parts for trade/sale and also
contact the publisher (if the game is still being made) to see if they
may be able to help out for a small fee. Many have outstanding
customer service and will be happy to help out.
Jeff
Mar 30, 2012, 7:03:17 PM3/30/12
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That's true. The 2012 Spare Parts list is a really good place to complete games. I've sent many bits to people from various games and have had bits sent to me as well.
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Jeffrey Henning
Mar 30, 2012, 7:17:56 PM3/30/12
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I think it was most likely an accident. My worst sin: in a math trade
I listed an expansion as the base game. You try fixing a math trade
after the fact!! I felt horrible about it and offered any of my other
games for trade to the recipient.
I listed an expansion as the base game. You try fixing a math trade
after the fact!! I felt horrible about it and offered any of my other
games for trade to the recipient.
fatgreta1066
Mar 30, 2012, 7:31:23 PM3/30/12
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Sadly, I've made that type of mistake before. As other posters said,
it's often from re-selling a traded for game and not taking the time
for a complete inventory, and since I didn't know the particular game
couldn't tell from making a quick check. I've always taken care of the
mistake in whatever way I had to for the buyer not to feel ripped off,
including making a full refund and paying for return shipping or
simply letting them keep the game. On the other end, I've never had
someone sell me a game on BGG that had a problem and not be extremely
prompt and gracious in correcting the mistake. I think if you approach
the seller without hostility and anger that's likely to be the case
for you as well, especially on BGG. I'd simply urge you not to assume
that the seller had bad intentions, or will be unwilling to rectify
the problem, unless you get proof of such (i.e. he doesn't respond,
blows it off, etc.). I hope it works out for you.
it's often from re-selling a traded for game and not taking the time
for a complete inventory, and since I didn't know the particular game
couldn't tell from making a quick check. I've always taken care of the
mistake in whatever way I had to for the buyer not to feel ripped off,
including making a full refund and paying for return shipping or
simply letting them keep the game. On the other end, I've never had
someone sell me a game on BGG that had a problem and not be extremely
prompt and gracious in correcting the mistake. I think if you approach
the seller without hostility and anger that's likely to be the case
for you as well, especially on BGG. I'd simply urge you not to assume
that the seller had bad intentions, or will be unwilling to rectify
the problem, unless you get proof of such (i.e. he doesn't respond,
blows it off, etc.). I hope it works out for you.
JuliaZ
Mar 30, 2012, 7:32:08 PM3/30/12
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Sounds like an accident. We have so many games and sometimes more than
one on the table. If someone drops a supply of something, it's easy
for one to roll away and not be noticed IME. 7 of them? Not so likely.
But who knows.
I'd message him and give him a chance to make it right. Don't even be
passive-aggressive about it, doing it "if it comes up," but do it as
soon as the site is back up.
DON'T screw him over by asking for a Paypal refund before asking him
directly and also asking for help from the BGG moderators first.
Paypal is evil and they can freeze your account -- including your
actual associated bank account -- for 180 days with no explanation or
recourse. (Go Google it if you don't believe me; the horror stories
are legion, and it happened to me during my eBay seller days despite
over 3000 positive feedbacks... it only takes ONE). Reporting him to
Paypal and asking for a complete refund is a very harsh thing to do
over 10 pieces that are likely worth less than $2, especially without
making any other contact first.
:J::A::Z:
one on the table. If someone drops a supply of something, it's easy
for one to roll away and not be noticed IME. 7 of them? Not so likely.
But who knows.
I'd message him and give him a chance to make it right. Don't even be
passive-aggressive about it, doing it "if it comes up," but do it as
soon as the site is back up.
DON'T screw him over by asking for a Paypal refund before asking him
directly and also asking for help from the BGG moderators first.
Paypal is evil and they can freeze your account -- including your
actual associated bank account -- for 180 days with no explanation or
recourse. (Go Google it if you don't believe me; the horror stories
are legion, and it happened to me during my eBay seller days despite
over 3000 positive feedbacks... it only takes ONE). Reporting him to
Paypal and asking for a complete refund is a very harsh thing to do
over 10 pieces that are likely worth less than $2, especially without
making any other contact first.
:J::A::Z:
ShadowHeart
Mar 30, 2012, 7:44:41 PM3/30/12
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Agreed, gonna definitely give him the chance to make things right
first, anything else would be heartless. It was just funny that the
game in question (emira) has 12 spice tokens and he lost 7 of them.
Making the game basically unplayable unless I come up with my own
tokens and such. The worst part is a few of the missing pieces are
the chits that go inside the bag, anything I try to substitute will
feel different.
first, anything else would be heartless. It was just funny that the
game in question (emira) has 12 spice tokens and he lost 7 of them.
Making the game basically unplayable unless I come up with my own
tokens and such. The worst part is a few of the missing pieces are
the chits that go inside the bag, anything I try to substitute will
feel different.
indigopotter
Mar 30, 2012, 9:36:38 PM3/30/12
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The idea that people don't inventory games that they sell/trade,
especially ones that they got second hand, surprised me. I have an
auction up right now, and I inventoried the games before I added them
to the list, even the ones where I was the original owner, and they've
been played once, by the two of us, at home.
Contact the seller, and if you still need help, contact Octavian.
especially ones that they got second hand, surprised me. I have an
auction up right now, and I inventoried the games before I added them
to the list, even the ones where I was the original owner, and they've
been played once, by the two of us, at home.
Contact the seller, and if you still need help, contact Octavian.
DangerousFat
Mar 30, 2012, 10:37:42 PM3/30/12
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Where is the 2012 parts list? I'm excited about this!
On Mar 30, 7:03 pm, Jeff <chiron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's true. The 2012 Spare Parts list is a really good place to complete
> games. I've sent many bits to people from various games and have had bits
> sent to me as well.
>
On Mar 30, 7:03 pm, Jeff <chiron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's true. The 2012 Spare Parts list is a really good place to complete
> games. I've sent many bits to people from various games and have had bits
> sent to me as well.
>
Mohrlock
Mar 30, 2012, 10:50:23 PM3/30/12
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Just do a search for "2012 Spare Parts" when the site is back online. It's a brilliant resource and everyone (as per BGG standards) is very helpful and generous on the list!
> > bgg_down+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
GROGnads
Mar 30, 2012, 10:53:27 PM3/30/12
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'moi' were just plain L-A-Z-Y-! Although NAUGHT as bad of another for
whom stuck a GAME into a "mailer box" and sent that along whence parts
were LOST. A few fell out as I carried this inside EVEN!
WTFU
whom stuck a GAME into a "mailer box" and sent that along whence parts
were LOST. A few fell out as I carried this inside EVEN!
WTFU
Mohrlock
Mar 30, 2012, 11:04:42 PM3/30/12
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I'd be pretty heart broken to have that happen to me, Grog. In fact anyone who is selling an item, regardless of it's value, should always check to make sure;
1) All items are in a reasonable condition, or state otherwise
2) All items described in an identical brand new condition item match those in the listed item, or state otherwise
3) Care is taken that the package does not become damage/broken/loose when posting, or state otherwise
If someone lists "Missing lots of pieces, not sure how many, box heavily damaged/split seams & will use cheapest postage options possible with no insurance" - Buyer beware!
Anything outside of that when these issues arise is simply false advertising & either a full refund upon return of the item should be due to the purchaser OR the remaining parts sent to the buyer. In some cases I've had some sellers send me a whole new copy of something and allowed me to keep the existing item with damaged/missing parts :)
1) All items are in a reasonable condition, or state otherwise
2) All items described in an identical brand new condition item match those in the listed item, or state otherwise
3) Care is taken that the package does not become damage/broken/loose when posting, or state otherwise
If someone lists "Missing lots of pieces, not sure how many, box heavily damaged/split seams & will use cheapest postage options possible with no insurance" - Buyer beware!
Anything outside of that when these issues arise is simply false advertising & either a full refund upon return of the item should be due to the purchaser OR the remaining parts sent to the buyer. In some cases I've had some sellers send me a whole new copy of something and allowed me to keep the existing item with damaged/missing parts :)
frumpish
Mar 30, 2012, 11:26:48 PM3/30/12
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I don't care if the person in question has a million games, and has
never played a single one.
If you are going to sell or trade a game, you go through the
components, you compare it to the list of what should be in the game,
whether with the game or found on another database and you advertise
accurately.
Or you list the item "as is" and let the other people know they are
dealing with questionable quality.
I hope you get your money back op.
never played a single one.
If you are going to sell or trade a game, you go through the
components, you compare it to the list of what should be in the game,
whether with the game or found on another database and you advertise
accurately.
Or you list the item "as is" and let the other people know they are
dealing with questionable quality.
I hope you get your money back op.
Trump
Mar 31, 2012, 12:57:03 AM3/31/12
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I was just talking to a friend this week who told me he received a
game he had gotten from a math trade without the original BOX. The
trader had just never thought to mention that little tidbit. The game
was otherwise complete, but I can't believe anyone would do that and
think that was okay. My friend got an expansion for that game and put
everything together, but I'd have damned well been telling the world
about that bum if it had happened to me.
game he had gotten from a math trade without the original BOX. The
trader had just never thought to mention that little tidbit. The game
was otherwise complete, but I can't believe anyone would do that and
think that was okay. My friend got an expansion for that game and put
everything together, but I'd have damned well been telling the world
about that bum if it had happened to me.
Mohrlock
Mar 31, 2012, 1:20:23 AM3/31/12
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That's just low. Personally whenever I see a game listed without a box I instantly turn my nose up at the thought and ignore the listing. Perhaps I'm a box snob, but so be it :P
Mrose
Mar 30, 2012, 8:44:58 PM3/30/12
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I think it's pretty easy to misplace some pieces. Our cats find any
opportunity to bat a precious piece around, and we're regularly
finding them in odd places (behind the toilet for example). Although I
have to say, if I were to sell a game, I'd make sure the game had been
decatted before I sent it out.
opportunity to bat a precious piece around, and we're regularly
finding them in odd places (behind the toilet for example). Although I
have to say, if I were to sell a game, I'd make sure the game had been
decatted before I sent it out.
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