Psychotherapy as a remedy? What a stupid self defeating idea!
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Beyond_Ideologies
Jan 23, 2015, 3:07:06 PM1/23/15
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Bullying goes on in schools because the staff allows it. They allow it because that is the sort of environment they grew up in. If you have kids of different ages, as you would in a one room school house, then bullying would be minimal. But when you age segregate, there will be bullying. That our society has such schools is testimony to the fact that we, as a society, think people should be socialized in such an environment.
So then when they try to slap labels on people, like developmental disabilities, learning disabilities, or psychiatric conditions, because they don't fit in, evidenced by becoming the targets of the bullying, then our society is siding with the bullies. Our society is saying that you are required to fit into a bullying environment, or you will be seen as defective. The therapists and the testing is to reinforce this. It is also to give the parents more power over the child. So it supports parental child abuse too. It is often going to be that the parental child abuse is what made the child a likely target for school bullying in the first place.
John Elder Robison, like most of the so called Autism advocates, is firmly convinced that he is somehow different from Neuro Typicals, and that while this may entail some strengths, that it also definitely entails some deficiencies, like not being able to read non-verbal communication cues and not being able to be emotionally expressive.
I say this is absolute non-sense. John Elder Robison himself, as evidenced by his own writings, communicates extremely well and has very deep insights into the communications of others. Consider this though, just because someone communicates something to you, this does not mean that you always yield to them. You can try to engage with them, without automatically deferring to them. But most people, the so called Neuro Typicals, are conformist. They are reading communications in order to fit in. Not everyone is so stupid that they would want to fit in. And there could be another issue, someone who has had to defend themselves against attempts by their parents to crush them, has had to learn to be able to pull back and stay detached. I don't see this as a deficiency at all, it is a strength and a sign of maturity.
Where the problem lies is with our society, its age segregated schools, and that middle class parents are still getting to have children in order to use them, and with zero consequences. So a child who does not accept this, is going to get pummeled. It will be like this until they become strong enough to find comrades and start to fight back, start to avenge the abuse.
Where did anyone get the idea that psychotherapy is somehow a remedy or a correct response to parental child abuse? How many convictions has your psychotherapist obtained? How much money in civil settlements? What kinds of direct action have they engaged in, and with what results?
You say your therapist helps you to understand and feel better. Okay, but so what. Is that what you want, to learn to live in this world as it is and feel no pain, and to let your abusers get off scot-free? Do you want to stand idly by while other children are subjected to the same sorts of schools and while other people have children in order to use them?
Do you want to give up forever on being able to use your talents and abilities in order to find comrades and change this world? If so, then I guess Therapy is for you, Therapy and Recovery.
But where did this idea come from, that these are the correct responses? Is it from Freud betraying his female hysterics, saying that they were just fantasying their own sexual molestations?
Is it from taking the religious approach which is the basis of AA and its 12 steps, that the substance addict has an innate moral defect and that this is why they drink and use, and then applying this to all victims of injustice?
To me, it would seem like a political education should be the first step in dealing with child abuse, in dealing with so called developmental disabilities, and also with substance addictions too. I mean, people who do not understand why and how they are oppressed, are likely to drink and use. People who do understand and who are committed to fighting back, will not.
Why do people think their therapist is going to teach them something or help them to understand something which is anything more than just capitulation and exoneration of violators?
I've posted this before, Claude Berr. The way to deal with injustice is to fight back. I am certainly glad that Claude Berr was not off in a 12 step group making lists of faults, or with his therapist crying on the couch or punching pillows, or with his neurological disorders specialist getting tested to see why he was having a hard time fitting in in a Nazi occupied country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zdzf5aQd9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgU3wvQEho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BPWoYzphFE
Becoming Other
Dizzy Gillespie - "Afro" - Full album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Yz9G1wwzU
Freedom to Express, where the child is defended from its parents
http://freedomtoexpress.freeforums.org/index.php
Exploited Children United, home page
http://theexploitedunited.onlinewebshop.net/
So then when they try to slap labels on people, like developmental disabilities, learning disabilities, or psychiatric conditions, because they don't fit in, evidenced by becoming the targets of the bullying, then our society is siding with the bullies. Our society is saying that you are required to fit into a bullying environment, or you will be seen as defective. The therapists and the testing is to reinforce this. It is also to give the parents more power over the child. So it supports parental child abuse too. It is often going to be that the parental child abuse is what made the child a likely target for school bullying in the first place.
John Elder Robison, like most of the so called Autism advocates, is firmly convinced that he is somehow different from Neuro Typicals, and that while this may entail some strengths, that it also definitely entails some deficiencies, like not being able to read non-verbal communication cues and not being able to be emotionally expressive.
I say this is absolute non-sense. John Elder Robison himself, as evidenced by his own writings, communicates extremely well and has very deep insights into the communications of others. Consider this though, just because someone communicates something to you, this does not mean that you always yield to them. You can try to engage with them, without automatically deferring to them. But most people, the so called Neuro Typicals, are conformist. They are reading communications in order to fit in. Not everyone is so stupid that they would want to fit in. And there could be another issue, someone who has had to defend themselves against attempts by their parents to crush them, has had to learn to be able to pull back and stay detached. I don't see this as a deficiency at all, it is a strength and a sign of maturity.
Where the problem lies is with our society, its age segregated schools, and that middle class parents are still getting to have children in order to use them, and with zero consequences. So a child who does not accept this, is going to get pummeled. It will be like this until they become strong enough to find comrades and start to fight back, start to avenge the abuse.
Where did anyone get the idea that psychotherapy is somehow a remedy or a correct response to parental child abuse? How many convictions has your psychotherapist obtained? How much money in civil settlements? What kinds of direct action have they engaged in, and with what results?
You say your therapist helps you to understand and feel better. Okay, but so what. Is that what you want, to learn to live in this world as it is and feel no pain, and to let your abusers get off scot-free? Do you want to stand idly by while other children are subjected to the same sorts of schools and while other people have children in order to use them?
Do you want to give up forever on being able to use your talents and abilities in order to find comrades and change this world? If so, then I guess Therapy is for you, Therapy and Recovery.
But where did this idea come from, that these are the correct responses? Is it from Freud betraying his female hysterics, saying that they were just fantasying their own sexual molestations?
Is it from taking the religious approach which is the basis of AA and its 12 steps, that the substance addict has an innate moral defect and that this is why they drink and use, and then applying this to all victims of injustice?
To me, it would seem like a political education should be the first step in dealing with child abuse, in dealing with so called developmental disabilities, and also with substance addictions too. I mean, people who do not understand why and how they are oppressed, are likely to drink and use. People who do understand and who are committed to fighting back, will not.
Why do people think their therapist is going to teach them something or help them to understand something which is anything more than just capitulation and exoneration of violators?
I've posted this before, Claude Berr. The way to deal with injustice is to fight back. I am certainly glad that Claude Berr was not off in a 12 step group making lists of faults, or with his therapist crying on the couch or punching pillows, or with his neurological disorders specialist getting tested to see why he was having a hard time fitting in in a Nazi occupied country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zdzf5aQd9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgU3wvQEho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BPWoYzphFE
Becoming Other
Dizzy Gillespie - "Afro" - Full album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Yz9G1wwzU
Freedom to Express, where the child is defended from its parents
http://freedomtoexpress.freeforums.org/index.php
Exploited Children United, home page
http://theexploitedunited.onlinewebshop.net/
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