Signing in via Google Sites seems to break for me, so here's a contribution :-)
axfelix
and encourage document discovery:
http://webambler.com/garnettbeyond.pdf
Cheers,
-alex
Peter Sefton
I think this kind of lightweight approach is really useful and worth
exploring, and not just for citations. Note the while you emphasize
the importance of PDF, the same techniques are easy to apply in HTML
and in authoring environments like Word.
I looked at using links to encode other metadata in this blog post:
http://ptsefton.com/2010/11/14/before-beyond-the-pdf-authoring-tools-for-document-semantics.htm
One way the Mendeley approach could be made more useful is to make it
more generic, so instead of it just having an explicit link to a
service which is not usable by non Mendeley user (I use Zotero).
Currently it's:
http://www.mendeley.com/import/?url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/asi.4630270505
It could look like this, using my proposed 'triplink' method of
encoding triples:
http://purl.org/triplink/decode?o=http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/asi.4630270505?p=http://purl.org/spar/cito/cites
(This link won't work - just an idea)
If you were to resolve that it would say:
<referring resource> http://purl.org/spar/cito/cites
http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/asi.4630270505
Or you could do it via the DOI resolver:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/asi.4630270505?triplink=http://purl.org/triplink/v/0.1&p=http://purl.org/spar/cito/cites
(Seems to work even with the cruft I added)
What I am getting at here is that the link in the PDF could be
something that is globally useful, and Mendeley, Zotero et al could
either filter it and change it its form, or scan the document and give
you a GUI to act on it. I'll add this to the demo on my WordPress
cite, and look at how it might be incorporated into our publishing
toolchain.
Going beyond this method, the whole idea of formatted citations and
references is really not necessary any more, is it? If we can reliably
identify citations each reader could choose their own preferred
referencing style although this would mess with hand-typeset PDFs. And
citation managers could simply embed links in text, and could create
bibliographies for any format much more easily than at present where
tools like Zotero have to very complicated processing to embed their
citation information in word processing files using fields and
bookmarks.
Peter
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axfelix
I agree wholeheartedly -- that was my original aim when I decided to
mock this up over the weekend, but as a Mendeley user, I got a little
lazy in trying to figure out the Zotero API. Good to know that I
wasn't the only one thinking of a "triplink"-like approach! I agree
wholeheartedly that this does eliminate a lot of the need for well-
formatted references -- which cheerfully makes me at least some form
of a traitor, because I work in a very library-centric informatics
department :-
It also makes DOI much more sensible for many users for perhaps the
first time, by wrapping it in an HTTP protocol (always doable, but
never immediately obvious to naive users), and further wrapping that
in an automatic link resolver / reference manager API call. I'd ALSO
wanted to duplicate that PDF as an NLM-XML document within OJS
(forgive me if the acronyms are too much; I'm taking for granted that
you know your stuff), but I'm currently without my old Lemon8-friendly
server, and it's a bit of a bear to get running due to a deprecated
Cake .htaccess protocol.
All of that said, I'll see what I can do over the coming weeks, and I
look forward to hopefully representing my local Vancouver PKP
colleagues in San Diego :-)
On Nov 16, 12:54 pm, Peter Sefton <ptsef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> I think this kind of lightweight approach is really useful and worth
> exploring, and not just for citations. Note the while you emphasize
> the importance of PDF, the same techniques are easy to apply in HTML
> and in authoring environments like Word.
>
> One way the Mendeley approach could be made more useful is to make it
> more generic, so instead of it just having an explicit link to a
> service which is not usable by non Mendeley user (I use Zotero).
> Currently it's:
>
> It could look like this, using my proposed 'triplink' method of
> (This link won't work - just an idea)
>
> If you were to resolve that it would say:
>
> Or you could do it via the DOI resolver:http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/asi.4630270505?triplink=http://purl.org/tri...
> (Seems to work even with the cruft I added)
>
> What I am getting at here is that the link in the PDF could be
> something that is globally useful, and Mendeley, Zotero et al could
> either filter it and change it its form, or scan the document and give
> you a GUI to act on it. I'll add this to the demo on my WordPress
> cite, and look at how it might be incorporated into our publishing
> toolchain.
>
> Going beyond this method, the whole idea of formatted citations and
> references is really not necessary any more, is it? If we can reliably
> identify citations each reader could choose their own preferred
> referencing style although this would mess with hand-typeset PDFs. And
> citation managers could simply embed links in text, and could create
> bibliographies for any format much more easily than at present where
> tools like Zotero have to very complicated processing to embed their
> citation information in word processing files using fields and
> bookmarks.
>
> Peter
>
> > Playing nice with PDF and Mendeley to speed the publishing workflow
> > and encourage document discovery:
>
> >http://webambler.com/garnettbeyond.pdf
>
> > Cheers,
> > -alex
>
> --
> Peter Sefton
> Manager, Software Research and Development Laboratory,
> Australian Digital Futures Institute,
> University of Southern Queensland
> Toowoomba Queensland 4350 AUSTRALIA
>
> Work: sef...@usq.edu.au
> Private: p...@ptsefton.com
>
> IM accounts:
> Yahoo: peter_sef...@yahoo.com