Is anyone able to explain where Ziyarat Ashura originated from? All those I ask tell me that they heard what they think is the correct answer in some majlis. Does anyone have any way of validating this Ziyarat. The reason I ask is because when reading the translation, I was taken back by the amount of curses; "Allah curse... Allah condemn..."
he said : this narration we copied it with it's isnaad (sanad : chain of narrators) from misbah al-kabeer (by tusi) and it's written by his handwriting may Allah have mercy on him , and there was nothing in it from those parts of ziarat that are repeated a 100 times..
The truth of this ziyarat is not found in studying its isnads (though I note the latter is a plural, hence reducing the possibility of its forgery by that fact) but in the truth of its content. It is a dedication of oneself to the Imam (as) and his cause, a separation from his enemies, a declaration of faith and loyalty, a committing and firmness to the cause. The reality of this has been experienced by many, many of those who have recited it over the centuries.
And yes, for anyone who's read my past posts on this topic, this does represent for me a firm reversal of what I'd been saying or alluding to in the past as I've been one who has raised questions about its isnad and such (Allah forgive me for raising doubts). I now realize that's missing the point, and to separate oneself from this for that is to lose a great deal, so I would recommend to anyone who aspires to being a Shi`a of the Ahl al-Bayt, recite this ziyarat and experience this yourself, in sha Allah ta`ala.
How does tabarra equal cursing? What justification is there/what Imam did curse? I am all for cursing Yazid- but anyone else is grey area and frankly we are in no position to make such judgments and jeapordize...I know you won't agree nor do I expect you to, but I have always been curious how people can be so sure when they commit such actions, I genuinely would like to understand it.
Without realizing it, you've answered your question right here. Since you've mentioned that you're for cursing Yazed al-la`een, then I don't need to justify the act of cursing itself obviously. Your issue would appear to be with cursing his predecessors, which you consider to be a gray area.
That "grayness" though for you is exactly the problem. Faith is not about maybes and perhapses, it's about firmness of the heart and solidity of action. It's easy to curse someone like Yazid. But to curse those before him you have to exit out of that in-between land of neither really being here nor there, trying to hedge your bets with a weak commitment and faith hoping that it'll squeeze by on either side, and enter into real Shi`ism which is all about total loyalty to the Imam and total enmity to his enemies. This is why I say cursing them is a firm and unambiguous declaration of one's commitment to them and part and parcel of being their Shi`a. It's a declaration of your membership in the saved sect and your total separation from the astray ones. It is a judgment that Shi`ism is in fact right and anything else is wrong, leaving behind all those shades of gray and entering into actual conviction and belief.
You mentioned about us not being in a position to judge and jeopardize. But jeopardize what? That Shi`ism is actually wrong and Sunnis are right? Is that how a real Shi`a would go about their beliefs? Or would they proceed with confidence and conviction that what they are on is in fact the true path, and anything else opposed to that is wrong. You must also understand that in reading the teachings of the Imams (as), there is in fact a real danger of perdition for one who does not commit oneself to bara'at from all of their enemies. So many ahadith speak of this. And you don't want to end up like those who in the wars against Amir al-Mu'mineen (as) decided to sit it out, not siding with either side. Where did that leave them? Neither supporting truth nor opposing the wrong.
There is hadiths saying Ahlebayt (as) don't seperate from whom seperate from them, they're is hadiths emphasizong on stick with the Jamaaa (The Group, the umma, unity) (in fact you can find in du'a of Makramal Akhlaaq of Saheefa Sajadiya).
I want to give you example of opposing type hadiths. We have hadiths about those fighting Imam Ali (as) where Imam Ali (as) says they are NOT hypocrites. Yet he doesn't say they are upon Haq either. Rather he says "they are our brothers whom have rebelled against us".
Other hadiths show a different tone. That the two groups is disbelief vs faith, and a verse is quoted about differences after Isa (as), and in a way suggesting one side has disbelieved in the Deen and the otherside believes in it.
I want to recall people to Quran's word to Mohammad (pbuh), it said if he was hard upon them, they would have all turned away from him, but rather he was merciful, fobearing, compassionate and patience. This was the initial attitude and in line with "speak to him a gentle word". However, regarding those whom turned against them, fought them, prosecuted them, even while knowing the truth, than a very hard attitude was enjoined towards them by the believers.
To call to this Tabara from everyone whom follows those whom had some responsiblity to thulm Ahlebayt (as), and to consider yourself detached from them? Is this what Quran teaches? Is this what the Prophets (as) of Bani-Israel did, say we are totally not part of you people, our followers have nothing to do with you? There are some people we ought to curse and speak harshly towards, but to assume this attitude with the norm of people is going to make us enemies of the verse people we claim doing it for.
When were Mustafaeen (followers) of Oppressors to be given up on, considered seperate from? If you read Quran, how it says "their brother (name of a Prophet )", what does this mean to you? Allah (swt) wants us to think of each other as enemies? Or should we have compassion and not "seperate" and consider ourselves not part of people?
Another thing is that now the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 thing makes sense to you, but it doesn't make sense linguistically and rationally. Now in this culture, people think "Thalim" 1, 2,3, 4, 5, but no one would think 5 only. It's like today people often bash the President of the US, or what not, for what happens, when there is a whole structure that is responsible, and the president has very little to do with the over all policy the country has taken.
I don't mean cursing is wrong, cursing is right in circumstance, to particulary people, and emphasizing on characteristics that can be changed, and this is to show a method, but it's dumb to keep this relevant to the past and not today.
Tabara I agree is essential part of Deen. In fact, if we are true to it, we would out of spite react with resolve against the enemies of Imam Zaman (as) and work to demolish their work and goals. We should work against them, strive against them... If we are truly truthful of this love and hate coming out of this love, then where is it, we hardly are bothered with the evil done by the same tree Yazid comes from...
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