First time spinaker on Beneteau Oceanis 37, how to attach the foreguy?

[Beneteau User Group]

Hi, 

I recently have purchase a Spinaker for my Beneteau Oceanis 37. Most of the connections are clear for me, except for the foreguy, the line to pull/keep the spi down. 

I've two connectors on the front deck to which I expect I need to connect the foreguy to, is my assumption correct? Do I need to connect a pulley to these connectors on deck and put through the line to keep to spi down? I cannot attach a picture so herby a Dropbox URL: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d40qrgtlmn71nsh/foredeck.pdf?dl=0 

Who has experience in this? Who can explain this? As my sailing terms in English are not so good, explanation in Dutch would be even better :-)

Looking forward to some suggestions. 

Thanks. 

Cheers, Rene

[Schoen Fitzgerald]

Send me an email at tangouniform54 AT Gmail dot com and I'll email you some pictures of how mine is rigged on the B 310

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[Ben Campbell]

Symmetric or asymmetric? I have an assymmetric on my 31 (with a similar foredeck setup). I attached a small block to the port side pad eye (the left fixture of the two marked in your picture) to guide the tack line back to the cockpit. It goes to another block attached to the anchor roller.

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[Rick L]

You need one line. We call this the tack line. It is attached to the tack of the Asymetrical spinnaker. You then should run it thru a block (pulley) which you can connect to the anchor sprit roller area. You will see holes in the anchor sprit to attach the block shackle. Run the other end of the line back to the cockpit. Use a cabin top winch to secure and trim the line. The tack should fly about 1/2 to 1 meter above the deck when on a beam or close reach. It should fly 1-2 meters above the deck when on a broad reach.

[Brian W]

If you are going to connect the tack line pulley to the anchor sprit, make sure the sprit can handle the significant tack load. The further forward (ie, over the bow) the block, the more the load. The sprit / anchor roller is designed to take downward loads from the anchor rode, not the upward load of the spinnaker tack...sometimes with damaging results. If it's an asymmetric, the sail is about 1,000 sq ft in area  for your boat (see https://www.hydesailsdirect.com/Beneteau-37-Oceanis-Performance-ACS-p/beno37-sac-fm64.htm), and could be about twice the size of your genoa. Beneteau has taken to reinforcing the bow roller area - see conversations at http://seaknots.ning.com/group/beneteau4043/forum/topics/bow-plate-gennaker-code and http://seaknots.ning.com/group/beneteau4043/forum/topics/beneteau-40-asymmetrical?commentId=900123%3AComment%3A173892&groupId=900123%3AGroup%3A49521.

May be a good idea to talk with a local sail maker or rigger as you move forward.

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Rick L <rick....@gmail.com> wrote:

You need one line.  We call this the tack line.  It is attached to the tack of the Asymetrical spinnaker. You then should run it thru a block (pulley) which you can connect to the anchor sprit roller area.  You will see holes in the anchor sprit to attach the block shackle.  Run the other end of the line back to the cockpit. Use a cabin top winch to secure and trim the line.  The tack should fly about 1/2 to 1 meter above the deck when on a beam or close reach.  It should fly 1-2 meters above the deck when on a broad reach.

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[Rene Groothuis]

Thanks Ben for your feedback. I recently have purchases a symmetric spinakker.

And indeed I need to connect a small block to those connectors (one of the two pads) depending on which side the spiboom will be. I received some pictures with some examples for asymmetric which were very useful. I gave me an idea how to tack the line back into the cockpit. The challenge I’m having is that I don’t have a free lock to put this line in. So another challenge :-) I hope I can do some experimenting coming weekend with my new symmetric spinakker :-)

Thanks.

Cheers, Rene

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It is a symmetric spinakker so I don't have to connect it to the anchor. The main challenge I've is to get the line that pulls done spi boom back to the cockpit. I can use the two connection points (see picture) to connect a block (katrol) through which I can get the line back to the cock pit. So that looks good. I probably need to make some extra modifications to guide the line nicely to the back and also to be able to lock it (to hold it). I don't have any empty locks to put this line in at the cockpit. I hope I can do some nice tests this weekend with my new spinakker.  

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 3:42:50 PM UTC+2, BDub wrote:

If you are going to connect the tack line pulley to the anchor sprit, make sure the sprit can handle the significant tack load. The further forward (ie, over the bow) the block, the more the load. The sprit / anchor roller is designed to take downward loads from the anchor rode, not the upward load of the spinnaker tack...sometimes with damaging results. If it's an asymmetric, the sail is about 1,000 sq ft in area  for your boat (see https://www.hydesailsdirect.com/Beneteau-37-Oceanis-Performance-ACS-p/beno37-sac-fm64.htm), and could be about twice the size of your genoa. Beneteau has taken to reinforcing the bow roller area - see conversations at http://seaknots.ning.com/group/beneteau4043/forum/topics/bow-plate-gennaker-code and http://seaknots.ning.com/group/beneteau4043/forum/topics/beneteau-40-asymmetrical?commentId=900123%3AComment%3A173892&groupId=900123%3AGroup%3A49521.

May be a good idea to talk with a local sail maker or rigger as you move forward.

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Rick L <rick....@gmail.com> wrote:

You need one line.  We call this the tack line.  It is attached to the tack of the Asymetrical spinnaker. You then should run it thru a block (pulley) which you can connect to the anchor sprit roller area.  You will see holes in the anchor sprit to attach the block shackle.  Run the other end of the line back to the cockpit. Use a cabin top winch to secure and trim the line.  The tack should fly about 1/2 to 1 meter above the deck when on a beam or close reach.  It should fly 1-2 meters above the deck when on a broad reach.

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It is symmetric. I will use the connectors on the foredeck, that are in the picture. I will put a block (katrol) on them and in that way send the line back to the cockpit. Thanks for the suggestion. 

[Bill Jarvis]

Rene,

With a symmetric spinnaker it is quite common to have the foreguy double-ended so that it can be adjusted from either side of the boat depending on which gybe you're on.This also gives you a 2:1 mechanical advantage

For that you will need a fairly long linea spinlack or similar clutch on each side near the companionway, two truning bblocks one on each pad eye that you mention and a further one to clip to the underside of the end of the pole.
The line will run from the port clutch to and trough the port turning block, through the turning block that attaches to the pole, through the starboard turning block on the startboard pad eye and finally thought the starboard clutch.

It sounds somewhat complicated but when you put it all together you'll find it is simple and provides great control of the spinnaker pole.

BTW that was the standard spinnaker rigging on my 42s7.

Bill

[Rene Groothuis]

Thanks Bill, 

Is this what you mean: 

Source: http://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=3913 

The challenge is that I don’t have C and E on my boat :-(

But thanks for the explanation which pointed me to this diagram. This makes sense now. 

Cheers, Rene

[Bill Jarvis]

Exactly.

 

Bill

[Taner Halacoglu | Tes Konfeksiyon]

 

I do not think you need double-ended. One line to coach roof top   would be much easier and practical even in Farr 40 it is one line.  

[DSJ - "Persistence"]

Those small attachment points look more suited to holding an inflatable on deck than for a spiniker, but I could be wrong......