Need Buying advice on a 1996 Oceanis 351

[seric]

Hello everyone,

First of all, just want to say thanks for contributing to this great
resource. It has been extremely helpful! I am writing today in hopes
that someone may have some helpful advice to share about the buying
process. I will try to keep the story as short as possible so here it
goes:

Buying a 1996 Beneteau Oceanis 351. Boat seems well maintained,
outfitted, and cared for by the owner. We are not using a buyers
broker. Marine survey and sea trial was completed yesterday.

It found many standard things you can expect with an older boat: hatch
leaks, hoses needing replacement, standing rigging loose, few speakers
not working. It also found a few major issues: one engine mount was
missing a nut so the engine vibrated out of place. It needs to be
realigned. Small fuel leak on primer pump. Sanitation through hulls
heavily covered with white/blueish corrosion. Need to be serviced.

The seller's broker ("the broker" I guess since we do not have one),
said that typically the owner would not pay for these fixes. The
brokers seems to be a nice guy but a second opinion on that statement
would be greatly appreciated! Is it typically to have the seller fix
these things prior to closing or do purchases of older boats tend to
be "as-is"?

Any help, advice, thoughts are greatly appreciated!

Fair winds,
SE

[Michael Elliott]

I would expect the seller to at least fix those items that effect the safety of the boat like the hoses and thru hulls and certainly the motor mount. I suppose the items like the hatch leaks depends on how obvious they were before the survey, how bad the leaks are and if there is a chance that other damage may have occurred due to the leaks. Same is true for the fuel primer leak. It sometimes feels like the survey results lead to another opportunity to negotiate the price. I would ask the seller to fix everything and depending on how good a deal the boat is settle for fixing some of the simple things yourself.

Michael Elliott
Beneteau 373
Boston

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[Max Lynn]

Unless you have beaten the owner and broker senseless and have the best
price on the boat this side of France, you should expect the owner to fix
the obvious problems, particularly items like engine mounts and fuel leaks.
If you are paying a fair price and he isn't willing to give you a break in
order to get you to fix the shortcomings, in this day of hard to find
customers, I would back away and threaten to find a better buy.

Max Lynn

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From: "seric" <sasa...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:51 AM
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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Need Buying advice on a 1996 Oceanis 351

[Noble, Milner E.]

SE, Max said it very well.
--Milner

[Rick Donovan]

On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:51 AM, seric wrote:

> Is it typically to have the seller fix
> these things prior to closing or do purchases of older boats tend to
> be "as-is"?

this is commonly sold in "as is" condition is not true. that thinking would be to the advantage of the seller and I would expect that to have been stated by the sellers broker. but if a buyers broker were involved, representing just you, he might have a whole different view of this situation. your representative would be looking out for you, just as the sellers broker is looking out for him right now. justr curious, did you arrange the surveyor or did the seller or his broker set this up?

I have always hated paying commissions but if I am going to pay one at all, I at least wanted them working for my team, not the other team. none of that can be changed at this point so lets look at the deal itself.

unless something changes in this current scenario, you would be expected to pick up any cost for these repairs. with the economy in the state it is right now, I would think this to be more of a buyers market meaning that you have a bit more power than this "as is" comment seems to allow. I would look into what these repairs are going to cost as quickly as you can and then use that figure to negotiate a different lower selling price or have the seller pay that cost to fix the items found by the survey. that is very common to have to work out at the last minute in a sale. if this boat is not exactly what you want and these repairs can not be negotiated to your satisfaction, then I suggest you walk away from this deal if you can.

in my opinion, this sort of thing is always negotiable. if you really like this boat and are capable of doing this repair work yourself, then maybe it is not such a big deal, but the final selling price should be negotiated to reflect the problems found and their cost to repair. if you need to hire someone to bring this boat back to good condition based on the surveyors findings, that can quickly add up to a significant number when it will be coming out of your pocket.

bottom line as I see it, the problems the surveyor found during his inspection allow you to negotiate the final price down enough for you to cover the cost for these repairs, or the seller needs to step up and do these repairs at the current selling price. one or the other. in the end it doesn't really matter except you gets the bill for the repair work.

as I see it, this deal is not complete yet. if you have done the research, you have chosen this particular boat and feel this boat is a good value compared to the others currently available on the market, and that you don't want to let this boat get away from you, then the seller has the strongest position. but if there are other boats that may fit your needs and do not have all the problems of this particular boat, it may make a lot more sense to keep shopping.

be careful with your decision. this could cost several thousand dollars out of your pocket if you make a hasty decision and have the all of the listed repair work done by a marine service group yourself. we have all been in this same position at some point and there seems to be no right decision for every deal that will work for each of us. each deal is unique is some way. this seller is doing nothing wrong, he is just looking out for himself. you need to do exactly the same thing. this is business, don't let it be personal because in the end it is not.

Rick Donovan
Biddeford, Maine

[Rick Donovan]

On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Rick Donovan wrote:

> in the end it doesn't really matter except you gets the bill for the repair work.

correction, this should have read,
in the end it doesn't really matter except "who" gets the bill for the repair work.

Rick Donovan
Biddeford, Maine

[mark....@gmail.com]

I agree like buying a house - seller fixes or you negotiate the price down to fix.

Buyer can always walk away but we get emotionally involved, right? :)
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[Thomas Lucke]

Note that if you negotiate well based on what the yard might charge to repair, it can be to your overall advantage.

For example, when we bought our 345, the survey showed a bunch of items. We agreed that some of the survey items were simply normal maintenance, but we negotiated a lump discount from the price based on potentially most costly items. The starting point for this discussion was an estimate from the yard as to what it would cost to fix.

In the end, I handled most of the work myself, it gave me an opportunity to learn the innards of the boat, and the flexibility to do a few upgrades.

[bruce dunham]

I don't recall if you mentioned the asking price for that 1996 B351 and where you are located.  Hopw much are they asking?

 

 

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Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 9:51:05 AM
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Need Buying advice on a 1996 Oceanis 351

[Rick Donovan]

On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:38 AM, mark....@gmail.com wrote:

> Buyer can always walk away but we get emotionally involved, right? :)

letting emotions make decisions for you is the fastest way I know of to get into trouble. not letting emotion in at this point of the roller coaster ride that comes with buying a boat is very hard to do. it is also the reason for my comment about not letting it get personal in my last post.

what is happening in this purchase is not anything unusual. these sorts of things always seem to come up at the very last minute. as I see it, it is just two teams trying to win a game. if you let it get personal now, you may make a bad decision.

what you really need to do is step back and look at this from both sides and use that vision as best you can to get you where you want to be in the end. I had a buyer walk away at about the same point this deal is at right now. he decided to walk away for much less than what is listed in your survey when we sold our 473 in 2008. it really pissed me off at the time because I had been jumping thru hoops all spring for this buyer, against my better judgement I might add. every week he came up with something else that I needed to do to keep him happy and working towards a closing date. I suspected all along that he was still shopping around while he had our boat tied up under contract. I found out later on he was doing just that, but it happens and there was nothing I can do to change the end result as the seller. when the contract is signed, the buyer holds most of the cards at that point. it is just the way it is when using a standard sales agreement.

as the buyer, you need to really dig deep while armed with this new survey information to make sure that what has been found at the very last minute is not something bigger that may cause you an unexpected financial burden down the road. time is short to make this happen if you have already done the survey and the sea trial. I expect the seller is looking for his money asap right now after completing these two portions of the sale. the problem for the seller is that the survey did not have a "satisfactory" result. and don't let the broker pressure you into a quick decision. simply tell him that you need some time to put some quotes together for the problems that were found. that should buy you several days to get your mind in order and decide where to go next.

as the seller, two of three hurdles have been done. last is your acceptance and then a closing date for the final payment. every dollar he negotiates off the selling price right now because of this new survey information is basically coming directly out of his pocket in some fashion.

both sides are going to play hardball if they can right now. put your poker face on and see how you do.

Rick Donovan
Biddeford, Maine

[seric]

Thank you all for the excellent and super fast replies! This
information is very helpful! Definitely gave me a better perspective
on the deal.

In regards to the location and price, it is in Annapolis, MD and we
agreed on $65,000.00 (down from the original listing of $76,900.00).
The original listing is below for anyone who is wondering. Everything
is there and working except the dinghy motor which was stolen. But we
were aware of that before the offer was put in. It seemed like a good
deal compared to other 351's on yacht world but there is no way of
knowing what shape those boats are in :(

The surveyor was chosen by us and came highly recommend by my sailing
instructors. Steven Uhthoff from Annapolis.

We are looking at a few different boats but this one is on the short
list (well, you can figure that by the survey). The broker claims that
many people have looked at the boat since it was listed but at the
beginning of the process he said that no one has made an offer on it.
We have some time for research since the acceptance date is not until
3/7. Interested to see what the costs will be. By any chance, dos
anyone have any idea of what a rough cost of the engine mount, engine
leak, and through hull service can roughly cost? Details about any
similar repairs would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you all again. The friendliness and eagerness to help within the
boating community never ceases to amaze me. Especially within the
Beneteau circle. Hopefully one day soon I can return the favor!

Original listing:

35' Beneteau 351

Year: 1996
Current Price: US$ 76,900
Located In Annapolis, MD
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
YW# 6944-2072633
Get a shipping estimate
Zip Code: Calculate

Additional Specs, Equipment and Information:

Builder/Designer

Builder: Beneteau
Dimensions

LOA: 35' LWL: 31'1" Beam: 12'6"
Displacement: 12,000 Draft: 5' Ballast: 3750
Engines

Engine(s): Single Diesel Engine(s) HP: 27 Engine Model: Yanmar 3GM30F
Tankage

Fuel: 24 Water: 100 Holding: 15

Accommodations:
She has a very roomy 2 private cabin layout with large cabins fore and
aft with lots of light and storage. A nice main salon, very large
galley and aft facing nav desk.

Walkthrough:
Bose 6 disc surround sound
2 zone cube speaker system (2005, tied in with radio and TV
19” Visio HDTV with uplift DVR (new 2009)
New curtains throughout
Upgraded mattress in forward V berth
Ability to raise table for more comfortable group entertaining
Electra/San toilet with outflow
Countertop Microwave
Cruise Air Reverse Cycle Air-Conditioning/Heat

Galley:
Eno 3-burner LPG
Stove/oven gimbled
Icebox & freezer in icebox
Adler Barbour 12-volt system

Electrical & Electronics:
Shore Power: 50’ cord 30 amp, 125 volt
Setup w/mast antenna and stern outlets
110' throughout outlets
Two AGM 8D in series
Battery Charger
Freedom Inverter with LINK 2000 control and monitor
Raymarine ST4000+
Raymarine Tridata
Garmin 2006 and Magellan 1200 XL
Dual battery feed
Separate 30 amp service for air conditioning/heat

Navigation Station:
Garmin 2006 with mount/connector in Navigation Station or in cockpit
Magellan in Navigation Station
40 channel VHF radio with remote handset for cockpit
Extra ‘secret’ drawer for small valuables
Plastimo compass in cockpit

Sails & Rigging:
In-mast Roller Furling Main
Quantum Genoa with Pro Furl Roller furling 150%
Asymmetrical green/white
Traditional Beneteau stainless steel standing rigging
Most stanchions replaced in 2007
All running lines except spinnaker uphaul run to cockpit
All lines in good shape or replaced in 2008
Stainless davits on stern to hold dinghy
2 Lewmar #44 self-tailing two speed, center mounted in cockpit house

Additional Equipment:
Forest green dodger, bimini, connector and most side curtains (some
repair needed on stem section and one starboard section missing);
matching winch covers (2008), blow-up dinghy and 6 HP four stroke
Suzuki gas outboard, Lifesling and Personal Floatation Devices for 8,
New bottom coat and clear shaft/3 blade propeller coat applied 2008;
only sailed 4 days in 2008 season, Fortress FX 16 fore and Delta (in
locker) anchors with mechanical windlass forward.

[bruce dunham]

That's about right.  I have a 1994 B351 in Annapolis that I am considering selling to help pay for an upgrade to a Catamaran.

 

I would be asking about the same price with basically the same equipment including full canvas, rear davits, dinghy, 6hp Mariner OB, 18,000btu Cruisair, Bose sound system, mast top antenna, 2,000watt inverter plus 400 watt wind generator, cruising spinnaker with sock.

 

Bruce

 

 

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Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 12:12:06 PM

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[bruce dunham]

Picture attached

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[bruce dunham]

One last thing that I didn't notice in the other listing is engine hours.  Was it in charter with high engine hours?

 

I bought mine 10 years ago from a lwayer in Charleston who had it professionally maintained at the Charleston Marina.  He used it a couple of weeks each summer to go to the Bahamas so it has relatively low engine hours.

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[mark....@gmail.com]

I would imagine you could get quotes on that work, not just estimates from people on this list.

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[mark....@gmail.com]

At that age and price I think it's all about condition - rig, hull, interior, sails. Did you say you had a survey? Are you able to share the surveyors report and did he make a recommendation or express an opinion - he's acting for you.

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[Bob at Gmail]

Seric,
I believe this was one I looked at (just lookielouing) and the spring
AYS open house last year.
It was a mess I.e. not showing very well. Interesting sound system.
My opinion 11,500 off the asking price is justified.
However I would still ask for a few thousand more to cover faults
uncovered in the survey.
The AYS salesman is BS'ing you and knows better.
There used to be some very good and "honest" brokers at AYS but now
not so much.
However Garth Hichens is a straight shooter

If you get the price you want, go for it we love "Our Dream"
I can provide some information on maintenance and cost of operation
based on 12 years of operation on "Our Dream"
Good luck and hope to see you on the bay this spring.

Bob
S/V Our Dream
'97 Beneteau Oceanis 351 #195
Slip C-17, Castle Harbor Marina
Chester River Kent Island
Chester, MD
_/)__/)__/)_

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From: "seric" <sasa...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:12 PM
To: "Beneteau Owners" <benetea...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: {Beneteau Owners} Need Buying advice on a 1996 Oceanis
351

>

> 19� Visio HDTV with uplift DVR (new 2009)

> New curtains throughout
> Upgraded mattress in forward V berth
> Ability to raise table for more comfortable group entertaining
> Electra/San toilet with outflow
> Countertop Microwave
> Cruise Air Reverse Cycle Air-Conditioning/Heat
>
> Galley:
> Eno 3-burner LPG
> Stove/oven gimbled
> Icebox & freezer in icebox
> Adler Barbour 12-volt system
>
> Electrical & Electronics:

> Shore Power: 50� cord 30 amp, 125 volt

> Setup w/mast antenna and stern outlets
> 110' throughout outlets
> Two AGM 8D in series
> Battery Charger
> Freedom Inverter with LINK 2000 control and monitor
> Raymarine ST4000+
> Raymarine Tridata
> Garmin 2006 and Magellan 1200 XL
> Dual battery feed
> Separate 30 amp service for air conditioning/heat
>
> Navigation Station:
> Garmin 2006 with mount/connector in Navigation Station or in cockpit
> Magellan in Navigation Station
> 40 channel VHF radio with remote handset for cockpit

> Extra �secret� drawer for small valuables

> Plastimo compass in cockpit
>
> Sails & Rigging:
> In-mast Roller Furling Main
> Quantum Genoa with Pro Furl Roller furling 150%
> Asymmetrical green/white
> Traditional Beneteau stainless steel standing rigging
> Most stanchions replaced in 2007
> All running lines except spinnaker uphaul run to cockpit
> All lines in good shape or replaced in 2008
> Stainless davits on stern to hold dinghy
> 2 Lewmar #44 self-tailing two speed, center mounted in cockpit house
>
> Additional Equipment:
> Forest green dodger, bimini, connector and most side curtains (some
> repair needed on stem section and one starboard section missing);
> matching winch covers (2008), blow-up dinghy and 6 HP four stroke
> Suzuki gas outboard, Lifesling and Personal Floatation Devices for
> 8,
> New bottom coat and clear shaft/3 blade propeller coat applied 2008;
> only sailed 4 days in 2008 season, Fortress FX 16 fore and Delta (in
> locker) anchors with mechanical windlass forward.
>

[seric]

Well, here is the interesting part: the throttle lever says "Volvo
Penta" but the engine is a Yanmar. Did the 1996 351 originally come
with a Volvo engine???

Thank you for letting us know about your boat! We will definitely keep
it in mind!

On Feb 25, 12:28 pm, bruce dunham <sailorskier2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One last thing that I didn't notice in the other listing is engine hours.  Was it in charter with high engine hours?
>
> I bought mine 10 years ago from a lwayer in Charleston who had it professionally maintained at the Charleston Marina.  He used it a couple of weeks each summer to go to the Bahamas so it has relatively low engine hours.
>
> ________________________________

> From: bruce dunham <sailorskier2...@yahoo.com>

> To: benetea...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 12:22:39 PM
> Subject: Re: {Beneteau Owners} Need Buying advice on a 1996 Oceanis 351
>
> That's about right.  I have a 1994 B351 in Annapolis that I am considering selling to help pay for an upgrade to a Catamaran.
>
> I would be asking about the same price with basically the same equipment including full canvas, rear davits, dinghy, 6hp Mariner OB, 18,000btu Cruisair, Bose sound system, mast top antenna, 2,000watt inverter plus 400 watt wind generator, cruising spinnaker with sock.
>
> Bruce
>
>  
>
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> From: seric <sasae...@gmail.com>

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[seric]

The surveyor was overall positive about it. He said that most of the
other findings were just in line with normal wear and tear for a 1996
boat. The one thing I did notice is that the sails were very moldy
when unfurled and looked pretty beaten up. The inspector said that can
be washed off and the sails are in OK condition and should last
another 2-3 seasons at minimum.

The report comes back Saturday and I would be more then happy to share
it. If anyone has any thoughts or comments on it, they would be very
much appreciated!

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[mark....@gmail.com]

I would get the sails in to a sailmaker for both a cleaning and a general inspection/repair. We have a great loft up here but no use to where you are.

I think I would also pull all the sheets and halyards and look for wear points. In fact I'll bet this list can come up with 101 suggestions for you to do / consider once you get the boat.

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[seric]

Thanks for the great advice and insight Bob! We are definitely going
to ask them to either fix things or lower the price depending on the
quotes we get from people.

If you would not mind sharing your experience with the maintenance
costs, it would be greatly appreciated! This is our first boat of this
size so knowing some estimates incurred by a fellow owner would be
very helpful. I promise to pay you back with a refreshing beverage of
your choice somewhere on the Bay :)

On Feb 25, 12:44 pm, "Bob at Gmail" <ourdream...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seric,
> I believe this was one I looked at (just lookielouing) and the spring
> AYS open house last year.
> It was a mess I.e. not showing very well.  Interesting sound system.
> My opinion 11,500 off the asking price is justified.
> However I would still ask for a few thousand more to cover faults
> uncovered in the survey.
> The AYS salesman is BS'ing you and knows better.
> There used to be some very good and "honest" brokers at AYS but now
> not so much.
> However Garth Hichens is a straight shooter
>
> If you get the price you want, go for it we love "Our Dream"
> I can provide some information on maintenance and cost of operation
> based on 12 years of operation on "Our Dream"
> Good luck and hope to see you on the bay this spring.
>
>                  Bob
>          S/V Our Dream
> '97 Beneteau Oceanis 351 #195
>    Slip C-17, Castle Harbor Marina
>      Chester River  Kent Island
>            Chester, MD
>              _/)__/)__/)_
>
> --------------------------------------------------

> From: "seric" <sasae...@gmail.com>

> > 19 Visio HDTV with uplift DVR (new 2009)

> > New curtains throughout
> > Upgraded mattress in forward V berth
> > Ability to raise table for more comfortable group entertaining
> > Electra/San toilet with outflow
> > Countertop Microwave
> > Cruise Air Reverse Cycle Air-Conditioning/Heat
>
> > Galley:
> > Eno 3-burner LPG
> > Stove/oven gimbled
> > Icebox & freezer in icebox
> > Adler Barbour 12-volt system
>
> > Electrical & Electronics:

> > Shore Power: 50 cord 30 amp, 125 volt

> > Setup w/mast antenna and stern outlets
> > 110' throughout outlets
> > Two AGM 8D in series
> > Battery Charger
> > Freedom Inverter with LINK 2000 control and monitor
> > Raymarine ST4000+
> > Raymarine Tridata
> > Garmin 2006 and Magellan 1200 XL
> > Dual battery feed
> > Separate 30 amp service for air conditioning/heat
>
> > Navigation Station:
> > Garmin 2006 with mount/connector in Navigation Station or in cockpit
> > Magellan in Navigation Station
> > 40 channel VHF radio with remote handset for cockpit

> > Extra secret drawer for small valuables

> > contact denny.werthei...@gmail.com if you have a list management
> > question

[bruce dunham]

I think I have about 900 hrs. on my engine clock.  If the other B351 has over 2,000hrs. it was probably in a charter fleet.

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[Guy]

351-352 had Yanmar and I think Perkins...

The throttle is a Volvo Penta part, just like the dripless bearing.

Later throttles were another brand. Some had throttle and separate shifter,
later models have single lever.
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Captain Guy
New Smyrna Beach FL USA
386-689-5088
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s/v Island Time (Beneteau 352#277)
AICW 845.5

> 19� Visio HDTV with uplift DVR (new 2009)

> New curtains throughout
> Upgraded mattress in forward V berth
> Ability to raise table for more comfortable group entertaining
> Electra/San toilet with outflow
> Countertop Microwave
> Cruise Air Reverse Cycle Air-Conditioning/Heat
>
> Galley:
> Eno 3-burner LPG
> Stove/oven gimbled
> Icebox & freezer in icebox
> Adler Barbour 12-volt system
>
> Electrical & Electronics:

> Shore Power: 50� cord 30 amp, 125 volt

> Setup w/mast antenna and stern outlets
> 110' throughout outlets
> Two AGM 8D in series
> Battery Charger
> Freedom Inverter with LINK 2000 control and monitor
> Raymarine ST4000+
> Raymarine Tridata
> Garmin 2006 and Magellan 1200 XL
> Dual battery feed
> Separate 30 amp service for air conditioning/heat
>
> Navigation Station:
> Garmin 2006 with mount/connector in Navigation Station or in cockpit
> Magellan in Navigation Station
> 40 channel VHF radio with remote handset for cockpit

> Extra �secret� drawer for small valuables

For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Beneteau-Owners

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[Bill Jarvis]

Ask your surveyor. He should have very good current knowledge of local yard
prices.

Bill

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Original listing:

35' Beneteau 351

Builder/Designer

Builder: Beneteau
Dimensions

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[HughMcKerlie]

We purchased our Oceanis 321 last year. It is also a 1996 and had similar
wear and tear items to what you have mentioned. The sails were dirty and
the engine, a diesel yanmar had 1200 hours on it. We live in South Florida
and have had a ball with this boat spending as much time on it as possible
mainly weekends. We had a yanmar specialist service the engine for four
hundred and fifty dollars and have spent time repairing minor leaks around
the hatches. We have our zinc replaced and the bottom cleaned at regular
intervals and so far so good.
I hope you purchase your boat and enjoy it as much as we are enjoying ours,
Sante!

Regards,

Hugh & Tad

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[Ivars]

Re: sails

UV destroys sails. Check the stitching at the clew seams, along the leach
seams, and head of the sail have most UV exposure and damage. Use your
finger nail to pick at the stitching. UV damaged stitching is soft and will
readily pick / fall apart. Soft stitching that pulls apart is an indication
the sail is damaged and may not hold up under load. Stitching on UV covers
is the first to go, it is easily restitched by a sailmaker. Sails in
carribean charter fleets last about 24 months due to continual UV exposure.
Then there is the issue of wear and tear through heavy use.

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[mark....@gmail.com]

Oh there's a question, how much is a man prepared to spend on his boat in a given season?...

It all depends, right? Boat condition, where you keep it, how frequently you use it, your own standards that you adhere to.

I would like to suggest that you consider the following but YMMV

Mooring fee or marina fee
Winter storage incl haul and splash
Insurance
Sea tow?
Zincs - must do, replace at least annually
Oil and filters
Bottom paint
Uscg flare kits
Gas charges for inflatable type vests
Winterization costs ?


I think that's the bare bones the rest is up to you based on boat condition and appetite

Are you happy with the topsides or will you be polishing a lot
Brightwork - varnish, sandpaper etc
Systems I will you be replacing any (slippery slope this one)
Spares for stuff that wears out - engine belts, head rebuild kits, thru hulls, portlight seals, batteries
Sails and lines - either replacement or maintenace
Winch servicing equipment
Fenders, ground tackle etc that you might misplace

This group is always eager to help you prioritize your spend. But once the season starts its time to use the boat, not maintain it

Fair winds

Mark

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[Bill Jarvis]

Seric,

That is not unusual. The throttle control is not a part of the engine
package.

Bill

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We have 1200 hours after 9 years. Yanmar engines look at major overhaul after 10,000 hours. Keep up the maintenance and the following might make sense:

 

The other day I chatted with our friend Mike Gianotti, a key cog at Hartge Yacht Yard in Galesville, MD, and mentioned the big white boat next to us in Brunswick with Cummings engines. He said that 'they are OK' but not the best. I asked, "OK, some are OK, some are better, what is really good?

 

In a word, Cat. Mike went on to say that a few years ago he was working on an engine that drove a trawler of mid '70s vintage at 8 to 10 Kts. Parts were needed so he called the factory. The first guy he talked to had no a clue about this engine, even though it had the 'Cat' lable, but there was hope. Mike was directed to the geezer in the back room.

 

After getting the engine ID number, Mike was asked to hold on for a minute while he got the microfich. This guy was told to trash it but he said "NO" and stowed it in a back drawer somewhere. A few minutes later back came Der Geezer who said, 'The F... you say!

 

The Cat engine in this old trawler was manufactured in 1948! It still runs and Cat could still supply the parts to make it run even better. How efficeient is it? At 2 GPH it makes about 10 Kts on this trawler of unknown length.

 

Yep, those huge Catapiller engines are the top of the line. I don't see them doing too much for us sailors, but if you make the transition to the 'dark side', consider a Cat.

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[seric]

Huge thanks to everyone. This feedback is extremely helpful.
Especially since we are not using a buyers broker. In hindsight, might
have been a good ideas but at this point too late.

Wanted to ask for one last favor from the members. We just got our
survey back and there were several things listed as essential repairs.
The broker claims that all of these are minor repairs and we should
not worry. Not sure what to make of them. If anyone has any thoughts
on the issues below, they would be greatly appreciated!

PROPULSION SYSTEM
MAIN ENGINES:
Fuel filters/water separators:
1. Service fuel leak at primary engine mounted fuel filter area and at
primer pump.
Engine mounts and beds:
2. The starboard aft mount adjusting nuts and top locking nut were
found to be adrift in bilge area. Nut was
temporally reinstalled, have mechanic evaluate engine alignment and re-
secure fasteners.
TRANSMISSIONS:
Packing Glands:
3. The thru hull valve for the water injection inlet is corroded and
needs servicing.
THRU-HULL FITTINGS
BELOW WATER LINE THRU-HULLS:
Comments:
4. Several sea valves have corrosion on them, clean, inspect and
service as needed.
ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS
A.C. ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS:
Shore power cords:
5. The newer cord has burnt prongs on ends of cord, service is needed.
CABIN INTERIOR APPOINTMENTS
HEADS:
Raw water intake/ discharge:
6. Head discharge hose is showing signs of deterioration, replacement
is required. The hose clamps are corroded
and need replacement. Raw water head intake hose is showing signs of
age and deterioration, replacement is
required.
AIR CONDITIONING:
Raw water intake:
7. Single hose clamps were noted on intake, it is recommended that all
below water hoses have double hose
clamps installed.
SAFETY EQUIPMENT
U.S.C.G. REQUIRED:
Visual distress signals:
8. Replace expired visual distress signals to comply with USCG
regulations 33 CFR 175.110 for visual distress
signals prior to using vessel.

Not that bad? Really bad?

[mark....@gmail.com]

All minor - note what's minot to one man is not to another of course

I would have a yard quote you for thru hulls and engine mounts, the hoses, hose clamps, flares, shore power card I would suggest you can do yourslef

Note I am making huge assumptions here on what you may/may not be capable .

M

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[Bob Getty]

Tell broker he is BS
All but the last two (7&8) are major and require fixing before launch
Did you say you had a sea trail?  If not insist on one with surveyor along.
Item #8 is minor but must be addressed.
Item #5 is at least $80 for a new cord.
Get estimates/quotes for each item and tell broker you want concessions for each!

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[Max Lynn]

Not that bad. I'd tell the broker to take $1000 off the purchase price or
fix the items on the list. If he's willing to split the difference (like
$500), I'd probably accept and do most of the items myself. The loose
engine mount is potentially the most expensive. Your sea trial should have
included some extended period on the motor, and you should have been able to
tell if there was a significant vibration due to shaft misalignment. If
not, you should just be able to tighten the nuts on the mount, and drive on.
If you didn't check that during the sea trial, ask for a little motorboat
ride, maybe with the surveyor on board.

The corrosion on the various items can only be evaluated by close
inspection, so its not possible for us to tell how serious those items are.
But I'm guessing that the surveyor would have made a bigger deal if they
were serious???

Max Lynn

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[Guy]

None are biggies... in the real world, all those are minor issues and are
already built in the asking price and your initial haggling/price reduction

AS IS is best way to buy then you have no ongoing issues with seller. If
there are unknown issues and your surveyor didn't catch them, you're on you
own anyway.

Like buying a home, any major issue should be disclosed and your survey
addresses disclosure items.

after 10 years or so, replace all hoses. Head discharge are a pain to do.

yes double up on clamps with marine grade ss units

any time there is water and bronze, you'll get corrision.

Buy new power cord... the burnt prongs are the usual result of dropping in
water.

Packing glands??? ther are none, just a cutlass type bearing that is water
lubed.

Flares? of course you need to get new, even if they were not expired but had
less than 1 year to go.

I have 1400 hours and was never in charter; but a few trips a year to
bahamas from fl adds up quickly, or running up and down chessie bay can
crank up the hour meter.

(my c v? Benetau dealer and broker in late 90's; surveyor; 100ton lic capt;
owner of 1999 352.)

Good luck... Fair Winds and Far Places

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Captain Guy
New Smyrna Beach FL USA
386-689-5088
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s/v Island Time (Beneteau 352#277)
AICW 845.5

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[seric]

Thanks guys! We have someone going out to the boat tomorrow to
evaluate it and give us quotes on the work needed.

We did have the surveyor on the boat for the trial and there was
extensive vibration when the engine was in idle. Definitely needs an
alignment! Has anyone had an alignment done before? Any thoughts on
the cost?

It seems fair that they would pay at least half of the quote to fix
these items but they keep claiming that the low price does not justify
further concessions. Bob, I'm with you...BS

[mark....@gmail.com]

Major ??? Hull delamination, no compression in the engine, rig failure are major. To me those are the types of issues you'll need to take care of on a periodic basis. But like I said YMMV

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Alignment - good mechanic 2 hours. Make sure they warranty it for a season so if it loosens if they fix on their dime.

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[Bob Getty]

Seric,
I guess others disagree on what is major.
I think I have seen this boat and my basis is based on my search 12 years ago in which we decided early on that we did not want a "Project" boat.  Others have alluded to your skill level.  This would also would included your desire to do the work.  Boat projects have a way of growing to fill the time and  budget (all) that you have.  None of these problems are insurmountable but you must understand what they will require.  Still a good idea to get estimates/quotes so you know what you are in for. 
Good Luck

[Guy]

at idle... was it in gear?

sometimes the idle speed is set too low and causes the engine to shake...
THIS IS NOT AN ALIGNMENT ISSUE esp if in "N".

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Captain Guy
New Smyrna Beach FL USA
386-689-5088
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AICW 845.5

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[Saša Erić]

Apologies, I should have said in neutral instead of idle. In neutral there was significant vibration. In gear there was vibration bot nowhere nearly as much. 

[Saša Erić]

What would be the fun if we all agreed? :) Both points of view are valid in their own respect and greatly appreciated! 

To elaborate on our situation, I am reasonably handy and do not mind putting in some elbow grease into the boat. I am very comfortable with servicing hoses, winches, and straight forward things. Would never get near things like alignment and pretty hesitant to work on through hulls since I have never done that type of service.

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[David Fletcher]

It is with much interest that I have watched this thread. In my humble
opinion, buying a sail boat that needs no work is an oxymoron. Let alone
finding a boat that is 14 years old and needs no major work.

Let's put it in perspective, it sounds like at the worst one motor mount, a
couple of stainless hose clamps, a cup or two of acid and some lub to clean
the thru hulls, a trip to the local chandlery to buy a new dock cord, and
maybe a little head clean up.

If this is too much to handle then maybe a used sailboat is not the way to
go, on the scale of one to ten none of these items are above 1.5 on my
scale. If the price is right and you like the boat buy it.

A brand new sail boat might have more work than is listed on this survey.

A better question is was the boat hauled, was the hull and deck sounded with
a rubber mallet looking for delimitations, was the hull checked for bar
scale hardness and wetness, take a sample of the engine and transmission oil
and have it analyzed. Look for the big stuff and get over the little stuff.

Sorry if this sound too strong but be sure you are focusing on the real
issues.

Fletch

[Saša Erić]

Another great point that is very helpful. The boat was hauled and the
hull fully inspected. For the sake of discussion the full survey is
attached if anyone is interested enough to look :)

[Uwe Mewes]

It looks like you got your money worth. I'm impressed! Great survey.

Good luck with the boat

Uwe Mewes
F305
Heaven Can Wait

[mark....@gmail.com]

I see nothing in here to deter you (aforesaid debate considered). I am intrigued regarding the comment about the lack of a boot on the alternator (words used are spark protective boot)- now I am not a surveyor and I don't know ABYC regs but it was my understanding that spark protection was not required on a deisel auxilliary. Protection on a high amperage positive connection of course is (rubber boots are under $5). Maybe this just the way I am reading his language.

Other points in the report that you should observe :

Comments re propane locker.
He only sea trialed using gps for sog at rpm - this does not take into account current.
I think his comments re cotter pins v rings on the lifelines is a matter of preference.
You should also secure the battery cable as noted.
Was the dinghy (quicksilver) inflated and checked? Was the outboard run?

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[Saša Erić]

Thanks :)

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[Saša Erić]

Thanks for taking a detailed look! I did inflate the dinghy and left
it inflated for a while. No issues. Funny you ask about the
outboard :) it was actually stolen! The yard had an outboard crime
spree. We knew that before making the offer though. Unfortunate but
what can we do. It used to be a 4hp Mercury. It was not a part of the
$65k offer.

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[Jeffrey Schwartz]

Looks like a partial survey due to the winterized systems...therefore you
must beware that some other issues with those systems "will" appear once you
have the boat de-winterized. I am the owner of a firm that has a Marine
Services Division and we are very familiar with Beneteau built boats. In
fact we just finished two total retro-fits of a 2001 Oc 411 and 1996 Oc 400.

From the photos in the survey and what I was able to discern from the
descriptions "In My Humble Opinion" this particular Oc 351 was not taken
care of in its life at all, or certainly it appears that only the absolute
minimums may have been done.

I strongly suggest having all the thru hulls removed, Beneteau used very
poor quality materials (high in zinc) in these areas and from those mid
1990's, and from what I can see with the excessive corrosion these are most
likely going to fail. When boat is out of the water someone should "punish"
these one by one to see which one breaks but still suggest RR of all of
them. The next time I have to do this for client or on my own 40' Beneteau
I will use the "Marelon" Forespar brand seen here;
http://www.forespar.com/onlineCatalog/marelonproducts.shtml of ball valves
and flange mounted seacocks, specially the threaded flanged seacocks...
these take corrosion out of the picture are low profile and now I feel these
have been on the market long enough and are accepted by ABYC.

The job of removing all the thru hulls and then of course it make very good
sense to change out any and all hoses in question of age or condition. Use
only the best of hoses, especially in the sanitation system we use Trident
"Sani Shield" hoses see here;
http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/sanitation.htm , or Sheilds seen here;
http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bin/frameset3.cgi?site=hose&type=us&link2=
1154 .

I also strongly suggest not using the standard SS hose clamps at all! I
find them to be worthless and in time not safe and will cost more than the
much better longer lasting Awab brand clamp seen here;
http://awabllc.com/index.html. We really like using these clamps...these do
not rust and break off like standard clamps and since their service life is
much longer the more expensive clamp becomes less expensive and much safer.

Most other issues seem to "minor" with this boat, I would suspect that you
will need sails (not so minor) if they are the original ones that came with
the boat, also check the condition of all running rigging and halyard shives
at the top of the mast and the shives on the boom and or vang. These will
most likely need changing. The shives themselves are not that costly but
labor time adds up fast.

I won't address each issue brought up on the survey but overall the boat
apparently was not taken care of by former owner
and certainly will take a lot of hands on time to bring this boat up to
"what it should be". The engine mount and alignment should be addressed at
the earliest possible time so not to affect any further damage....I would
change out all 4 engine mounts at one time not only the one bad or missing
one...IMHO.

Jeffrey Schwartz
Miami, FL

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[seric]

Thank you Jeffrey! This is great advice! I am going to look at
replacing the current through hulls and seacocks with these
components. Makes a lot more sense to take the corrosion aspect out of
the picture.

By any chance, has anyone else used these products?

On Feb 27, 8:29 am, "Jeffrey Schwartz" <jeffre...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Looks like a partial survey due to the winterized systems...therefore you
> must beware that some other issues with those systems "will" appear once you
> have the boat de-winterized.   I am the owner of a firm that has a Marine
> Services Division and we are very familiar with Beneteau built boats. In
> fact we just finished two total retro-fits of a 2001 Oc 411 and 1996 Oc 400.
>
> From the photos in the survey and what I was able to discern from the
> descriptions "In My Humble Opinion" this particular Oc 351 was not taken
> care of in its life at all, or certainly it appears that only the absolute
> minimums may have been done.  
>
> I strongly suggest having all the thru hulls removed, Beneteau used very
> poor quality materials (high in zinc) in these areas and from those mid
> 1990's, and from what I can see with the excessive corrosion these are most
> likely going to fail.  When boat is out of the water someone should "punish"
> these one by one to see which one breaks but still suggest RR of all of
> them.  The next time I have to do this for client or on my own 40' Beneteau
> I will use the "Marelon" Forespar brand seen here;http://www.forespar.com/onlineCatalog/marelonproducts.shtml of ball valves
> and flange mounted seacocks, specially the threaded flanged seacocks...
> these take corrosion out of the picture are low profile and now I feel these
> have been on the market long enough and are accepted by ABYC.  
>
> The job of removing all the thru hulls and then of course it make very good
> sense to change out any and all hoses in question of age or condition.  Use
> only the best of hoses, especially in the sanitation system we use Trident

> "Sani Shield" hoses see here;http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/sanitation.htm, or Sheilds seen here;http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bin/frameset3.cgi?site=hose&type=us...

> 1154 .  
>
> I also strongly suggest not using the standard SS hose clamps at all!  I
> find them to be worthless and in time not safe and will cost more than the
> much better longer lasting Awab brand clamp seen here;http://awabllc.com/index.html.  We really like using these clamps...these do
> not rust and break off like standard clamps and since their service life is
> much longer the more expensive clamp becomes less expensive and much safer.
>
> Most other issues seem to "minor" with this boat, I would suspect that you
> will need sails (not so minor) if they are the original ones that came with
> the boat, also check the condition of all running rigging and halyard shives
> at the top of the mast and the shives on the boom and or vang.  These will
> most likely need changing.  The shives themselves are not that costly but
> labor time adds up fast.  
>
> I won't address each issue brought up on the survey but overall the boat
> apparently was not taken care of by former owner  
> and certainly will take a lot of hands on time to bring this boat up to
> "what it should be".   The engine mount and alignment should be addressed at
> the earliest possible time so not to affect any further damage....I would
> change out all 4 engine mounts at one time not only the one bad or missing
> one...IMHO.
>
> Jeffrey Schwartz
> Miami, FL
>
>
>
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>

> [mailto:benetea...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sa¹a Eric

[ca...@aol.com]

I replaced the MAIN THROUGH-HULL last August with Torlon and so far, so good. The factory job rotted out and was briefly replaced with a wooden plug. They are such excellent devices to keep handy. The boat sinks very slowly when a through hull fails, giving you enough time to go to the 'plug drawer', but sink it will.

 

What is the MAIN through hull, you may ask? It's the one that runs full time when you have the A/C unit running, and for us, it's running most of the time. OK ... The engine fitting is of course, larger, but I checked it out very carefully and it's solid as a rock as are the rest of the through hulls. For now, that is.

 

The real problem we have is crazing of Lewmar hatch cover lenses. That's an expensive project for next summer. Hatch Masters in CT is the hot ticket, but there is a guy here in Annapolis who I'll try to do a deal with for replacing all lenses.
Cap in Annapolis

[bruce dunham]

In my case the engine raw water thru hull broke off, fortunately just as I was opening the valve so I was able to plug it immediately.  Pure luck cause the metal was real cheap s....

 

Cap,

 

Let me what kind  of deal you get on hte hatches cause i've got about 3 or 5 that need to be done.

 

Bruce Dunham

Beausoleil in Annapolis

 

 

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[jbf...@comcast.net]

You said Torlon, did you mean Marelon?  The common use of Torlon on a boat is for ball bearings in sail control hardware

[doug tassie]

Hi keen follower of this group from Hobart Tasmania. My current Bennie
(3rd) is a French built 2000 411, only issue to date is failure of
hose tail on prop shaft water supply thru hull, luckily when I bumped
it during work on gearbox. An obvious poor quality "bronze" fitting.
Do these problems relate to US built boats only? I have been
considering replacing thru hulls, valves and hose tails with 316 SS.
Any advice otherwise. "Plastic" fittings won't pass commercial survey
down here (my boat is in survey for bareboat and skippered charter ex
Hobart)

[Jeffrey Schwartz]

You do not want to use stainless below the water line. Use bronze or the
Marelon which is ABYC approved.

Jeffrey S

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I have had marelon thru-hulls and plumbing components on my M463 (OC461) for almost five years with no problems. The marina I was in at the time was hot electrically and several of the original thru-hulls were disintegrating.
Edward Butt
S/V Zoe, FL

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[el...@aol.com]

Cap,
I am in the market for replacement of all my hatch lenses also and have contacted hatch masters. I am very interested in  your potential source in Annapolis and would like to contact them as well. Would you be so kind as to send me their email address/ phone no. If anyone else on the list has a source for these lenses, I would appreciate a contact address.
Thank you,
Edward Butt

[el...@aol.com]

SS below the waterline is more dangerous than bronze. Marelon is ABYC approved and even commercial fishing boats are beginning to install for some applications.

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[mark....@gmail.com]

I have been skeptical to date - these last few messages are positive - is there a counterview? Anyone had a negative experience with them?

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[Carl Ramsey]

Hi,,,I have ,,,as some of the group will be aware of I just bought a 2004 ben411 celebration in Turkey,,,,,been the owner of the boat some 4/5weeks now,,,went to Turkey from the UK and had  4/5 complete days looking and prodding,, pulling and pushing this and that,,had survey carried out which turned out  v, good,,, all thru hulls are as near perfect as you can get,,,the boatas been exceptional well looked after,,,will be going out there with my brother on 22nd March to do the bottom paint job  ourselves,,, I prefere to do that kind of stuff myself to make sure its done right,,, hope this helps,,,,,,,by the way  I am over the moon with the boat..........Carl

[ca...@aol.com]

These are the guys I'd like to talk to.

 

http://www.maritimeplastics.com/index.htm

 

Hatchmasters is less expensive, but I think if I went to this outfit in Eastport with a big order the price may come down.I'll talk to them tomorrow and report back to the group.

 

Cap in MD

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[Larry Cohan]

ca...@aol.com wrote:

These are the guys I'd like to talk to.

 

http://www.maritimeplastics.com/index.htm

I've found them to be a first class expert outfit.  All they do is marine plastics.  I used them to make new non-opening ports on my First 38 and they also shaved the rudder bearings for me.  They know what they're doing. 

Don't know about relative pricing. 

Larry

[Michael Roper]

I keep believing that the reinforce plastic  shakewell thru hull fittings are the only way to go and I t costs about $A100  mine are 15 years ols    NO  ELECTROLYIS

Mike Roper

[David Fletcher]

There has been much talk on the site regarding the Beneteau thru hulls, I have a couple of questions on this topic, please help me understand as this is on topic which I have little to no experience with. I have wood plugs however I would like to keep them in the original bag..

 

Are there particular models or production years that are most likely to fail?

 

What is the best procedure to inspect and be sure that the existing thru hulls fittings are in good condition?

 

What is the easiest way to clean the values and thru hulls of  corrosion and lubricate the valves?.

 

Thanks guys

 

Fletch

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[Saša Erić]

Those are some great questions I would love to know the answer to as well! If anyone has experience to share, it would be most appreciated!

Saša Erić

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[Michael Roper]

Fletch

 Tie each wooden plug to its intended seacock.   Finding the boat may not be benificial

[Bill Jarvis]

Fletch,

 

Just some advice. You have a bag of plugs, that’s good. PLEASE loosely tie one of the appropriate size to each through hull. If you are ever unfortunate enough to have a failure I’ll guarantee that you will not want to be hunting for the bag, finding it, opening it and then sorting out which size plug you need. As water comes in the boat sinks faster! You may have trouble finding the hole by the time you’ve done all of that.

 

Bill

[el...@aol.com]

Cap,
Let me know if a deal can be gotten. I will support you.
Thanks,
Edward Butt

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[Saša Erić]

Just out of cusiosity, how fast are we talking? I've never seen a thru-hull fail before. Are we taking minutes?

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[Jon Meek]

A number of people on the 423 list have been designing a replacement
for the prop shaft water supply nipple and plan to present it to
Beneteau to see if they will manufacture it as a replacement part.

Jon

[David Fletcher]

I would be interested in a purchase of 8 Lewmar portlight standard lens for my OC400, 2 size 0, 4 size 2 and 2 size 4.

 

Maybe we could get a group purchase

 

Fletch

 

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[bbigd...@aol.com]

I might be interested as well.

 

Bill

[Barac, Dan CAR]

I've got a French built 1994 OC440 which had problems with corroded
through-hulls when it was about 7 years old. Replaced all with good
quality bronze after one broke. Yard showed me the old fittings in a
bucket, very poor quality, completely corroded. It could be that any
Beneteau boats built in mid 1990s are susceptible.

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Subject: Re: {Beneteau Owners} Need Buying advice on a 1996 Oceanis 351

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[pegasu...@aol.com]

Get the buyer to fix or negotiate a really good deal..if he doesn't...

be prepared to walk the deal

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Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 8:51 am
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Need Buying advice on a 1996 Oceanis 351

Hello everyone,

First of all, just want to say thanks for contributing to this great
resource. It has been extremely helpful! I am writing today in hopes
that someone may have some helpful advice to share about the buying
process.  I will try to keep the story as short as possible so here it
goes:

Buying a 1996 Beneteau Oceanis 351. Boat seems well maintained,
outfitted, and cared for by the owner. We are not using a buyers
broker. Marine survey and sea trial was completed yesterday.

It found many standard things you can expect with an older boat: hatch
leaks, hoses needing replacement, standing rigging loose, few speakers
not working. It also found a few major issues: one engine mount was
missing a nut so the engine vibrated out of place. It needs to be
realigned. Small fuel leak on primer pump. Sanitation through hulls
heavily covered with white/blueish corrosion. Need to be serviced.

The seller's broker ("the broker" I guess since we do not have one),
said that typically the owner would not pay for these fixes. The
brokers seems to be a nice guy but a second opinion on that statement
would be greatly appreciated! Is it typically to have the seller fix
these things prior to closing or do purchases of older boats tend to
be "as-is"?

Any help, advice, thoughts are greatly appreciated!

Fair winds,
SE

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[Guy]

All minor:

 

Fuel leak (if by primer punp you mean the fuel pump) repalce it every 5 years regardless.

Blue-White on thru hulls: Clean with baking soda and water to better determine condition, probably not an issue.  Real galvanic rot is not blue, but pink-reddish.  Tighten clamps.

Alignment is simple and can be done in an hour or less (assuming the nuts ren't rusted-siezed)

Upgrade to Bose speakers and enjoy, get new am/fm with jacks-usb for mp3-ipod

 

AS-IS is the norm on any boat out of warranty.  You've got a good price, don't drive yourself crazy.

 

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Captain Guy
New Smyrna Beach FL USA
386-689-5088
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s/v Island Time (Beneteau 352#277)
AICW 845.5

[Saša]

Just wanted to give a big thanks to everyone who provided input on
this topic! The amount of knowledge in this group and everyone's
willingness to help is extraordinary! Please know that your help is
greatly appreciated by a new and proud owner of a 1996 351 :)

Many thanks and fair winds to you all!

[mark....@gmail.com]

Pictures, pictures ...

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