Adler Barbour Thermostat

[Fletch]

I am giving my refer system a good tune up, A fan to help cool the dan
foss compressor, new door gaskets, and replacing the fan in the spill
over fridge,

I have been learning a little about Dan Foss compressors and how the
speed and energy consumption can be controlled by a small resistor in
the thermostat.

I am the second owner of our 400, I know the compressor was replaced
sometime in 2003 to 2005 by the first owner..

The thermostat is mounted in the freezer and is a standard Adler
Barbour tstat.

My thermostat has a 680 ohm resistor which makes the compressor run at
3000 rpm. Normal is 3500 and the resistor is 1500 ohm.

I am attempting to learn the original system set up. My tstat is the
newer phone jack style so I know it is not the original tstat and must
have been replaced when the new system was installed.

If somebody ( Cap) is on their yacht, could they tell me the number on
the top of the tstat in the freezer. Just open the lid and look
straight down at the tstat.

It should read C1502jr- xxxx ( if the number ends in 680 or 1500 it
tells the speed),

My system works pretty good however if i speed up the compressor it
should cool quicker.

I just would like to know what speed Beneteau originally set up their
system, It does make a different in the amps used while runinng

Fletch

[Jeff Pernick]

On my 2003 473 they used a 680. I changed to a 1500 and a digital controller and it made a difference. I hold -15C now. I also use RV circulating fans that run on D cells in each cabinet which helps a bunch with uniformity. It runs at about 6 amps at 3600.

Jeff

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[davidcf...@rogers.com]

Is the digital thermostat a good deal. Pricey, accurate?

Looks like mine is set up like the factory set up

Fletch
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[Kidd, James]

On the subject of refrigeration:
I am on a mooring and have two solar panels that keep the batteries up and charged and allow me to use the fridge full time and keep it going all week when im off of the boat.
To minimize the compressor cycling, I have placed a large blanket on top of the freezer as additional insulation. Its always wet between the blanket and the counter/freezer lid when I return to the boat after a few days.
Is the lid an un-insulated piece of crap? Or is the gasket also suspect?

James A. Kidd
B 473
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[davidcf...@rogers.com]

Moisture indicates cold air leaking and warm air meeting. Is the inside of the lid wet? If so it the gasket.

I use an infrared heat gun, the lid is good it is the seal edge where I get the colder reading, hope the new gasket well help

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[Kidd, James]

The condensation occurs over the entire counter top under the blanket..that's what's puzzling to me. The blanket is thick and folded 3" plus...i cant think it's the gasket, as it would only be wet near the seam.

James A. Kidd
Regional Manager
Kaydon Bearings, Northeast Office
Office / Cell: 617-448-2575

[Jeff Pernick]

I used 2 of these. Working well so far. cheap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-Digital-LCD-Thermostat-Temperature-Regulator-Controller-Aquarium-fish-Blue-D-/160765044923?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256e57e8bb#ht_5012wt_922



Search eBay for 12 volt digital thermostat.

Jeff

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> Is the digital thermostat a good deal. Pricey, accurate?
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> Looks like mine is set up like the factory set up
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> Fletch
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> On my 2003 473 they used a 680. I changed to a 1500 and a digital controller and it made a difference. I hold -15C now. I also use RV circulating fans that run on D cells in each cabinet which helps a bunch with uniformity.. It runs at about 6 amps at 3600.

[Bill Jarvis]

James,

The lid is getting colder because of the blanket. That's why you put it
there!

The blanket allows the humidity in the air to get through when the lid has
condensed out that in contact with the lid.

If you want to stop the lid getting wet either take off the blanket or make
it impervious to humidity. Ie cover in plastic film and seal around the
edges to the counter top.

Bill

[Ivars]

That condensation comes with the territory when using a blanket... It is the
result of air circulating under the blanket since there is not a perfect
seal... Either don't use the blanket or significantly reduce the humidity in
the boat

[Ivars]

Ooops posted before reading Bill's reply, obviously we agree...

[Olek Muszynski]

Wealth of info on Danfos / AB reefers at this site. Richard Kollmann has
been very helpful

http://www.kollmann-marine.com/Refrigeration/index.php?board=5.0

[George Harris]

Fletch,
Not exactly specific to your post but a real amp hr conservation method for the reefer, you may remember my system of a block of ice under the food basket with a thick layer of bubble wrap placed above... primative but very effective and allows you to run the system anywhere from 1/2 to 2/3 less depending on the ambient temp. One does have to be on the boat however for this to work.
Cheers,
George Harris aboard Sophia on Block Island

Fletch

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[Howell Cooper]

George,
Thanks for the re-post about the ice block.  I keep forgetting to do that.  I have been experimenting with the blue blocks in the space under the evaporator area.  That seems to do a fair job but I cannot quantify the result.  I do know that nothing stays frozen in that area and am guessing it is due to hull heat.  We will try the ice thing.

Cooper

[davidcf...@rogers.com]

George, I recall your block of ice trick, cool.

I also recall a good breeze just inside the bridge at Norfolk.

Will you need crew this fall when you head south?


Fletch

P's Ken?

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[ourdr...@gmail.com]

Howell,

Try these  http://www.techniice.net/

They are great we use them with a soft sided cooler http://www.aocoolers.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=58&ParentCat=22

to transport to and from Our Dream.

Then leave them in the refer and shut it down at night when on hook.  Work great!

Used to be at every Annapolis Sailboat Show.

 

Bob
S/V Our Dream
'97 Beneteau Oceanis 351 #195
Slip C-17, Castle Harbor Marina
Chester River Kent Island
Chester, MD
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George,
Thanks for the re-post about the ice block.  I keep forgetting to do that.  I have been experimenting with the blue blocks in the space under the evaporator area.  That seems to do a fair job but I cannot quantify the result.  I do know that nothing stays frozen in that area and am guessing it is due to hull heat.  We will try the ice thing.

Cooper

[Howell Cooper]

Bob,
Funny you should mention Techniice because
 I used to rep them.  I have been using it for about 10 years.  Great stuff and we use it in the freezer.  We also use it for cold packs for medical reasons. 

Howell

[Cap Munday]

Great point. I use double sided bubble stuff to insulate the top and 4 sides and we suffer lots of frost. 

This product is on my list :  http://www.drierite.com/ to reduce moisture level in the freezer. 

I used it in the lab and the indicating version turns from blue to pink when it's full of water. I figure we can bake bread as it dries. 2 pounds with one lb in a cotton bag will work if the dry batch stays in the jar until being bagged and stuck in the freezer. Capacity is 6.5% water by weight. It may make a dent. 

There may be better stuff out there, but I can't find it if there is. 

Great idea using my temp gun to diagnose leaky spots around the freezer lid perimeter. Just checked it and no difference (+/- <1 degree F). I really need to refill the lid with fresh insulation, but not right now. 

Cap Munday

S/V Zydeco

Beneteau 473

[Ron Ouwehand]

Was the block of ice under all the frozen food or sitting on top? Things at the bottom of my freezer normally stay frozen.

 

Ron O.

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[George Harris]

Fletch,
Thanks to that good breeze I opened the wallet and sprung to all new canvas in the cockpit (sand colored sunbrella) and have finally rid the boat of Beneteau green. Yep, thinking again about the trip south and as always looking for crew- I'll be posting to the list shortly, and of course I would be delighted if you decided to do it again (sans Ken)

George Harris aboard Sophia on Block Island

[davidcf...@rogers.com]

I kind of like the green, how does the sand color look? Is it toast" as in the color toast

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[Neal Lindeman]

Congrats on the new canvas, but I like the B green.

Neal Lindeman

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[Howell Cooper]

I was next to a boat with the sand colored bimini and we took a remote temp instrument and measured the underside temp of each.  My Forest Green was at 139 degrees and the sand was at 98 degrees.  That might be reason enough to make the change.  However: along the Gulf Coast where the humidity is high all the time, the sand does show mildew.  There are several boats in our marina in the Solomons that have the off white/sort of tan colored Sunbrella and it looks very good.

Cooper

[Cap Munday]

If it is dark colored it won't show mildew. We have 'Bronze' and have mildew that shows but it is much cooler. If you live in the south, having dark canvass makes as much sense as having a black car. Our's is dark blue and we hate it! (car, that is). 

If we were to do it again with respect to car and canvass they would be as light as possible. We made awnings for the boat and the difference in comfort is huge. Those white coverings make the difference between open hatches with cool ambient temps and turning on the AC.  

We are in Maryland and the awnings are up and AC is running. We are quite comfy and life is good.

Cap Munday

S/V Zydeco

Beneteau 473

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[George Harris]

it's the same color they are using on most of the new bennies for the last several years... of course with color it's always a matter of what you like... that said, the lighter color makes the cockpit more cheerful, and when I replaced the green upholstery below with a white it really made the cabin much brighter

[Ivars]

strange but true...  white ( lighter colored ) UV covers break down more quickly than black ( darker colors )... go figure  

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