Floor board touch up

[SL91First310]

I am looking to touch up the pretty scuffed floor boards of my
Beneteau... I have the "wood repair methods" document from Beneteau,
but it does not specificly mention the floor boards, but I am sure that
all is very common to all the wood found on the boat. My plan is not
to do a major refinish, but just sand off a thin layer of the current
finish hoping to remove a majority of the scratches. I would like then
to build up the finish with a small coat of lacquer or varnish. My
question is if this sounds like a good plan of action and if I could
use a varnish on the floor or if I should use a lacquer?

[Bill]

My suggestion would be to use neither. Instead go with a poly urethane. It
harder, tougher and more scratch resistant.

Bill

[meve...@cox.net]

Wouldn't polyurathne (sp) be better for floors panels or is that something you don't want to use on a boat??

Mike E.

[fletch]

My plans to refinish the sole is very similar to yours, I spoke to Ward
Richardson at B and he suggested a very little sand (400+) and three to
five coats of the Mohawk Pre-cat Lacquer Stain (spray finish).

I have followed his suggestion and done a small test on the dust bin
cover. After four coats it looks very good. I plan to apply two more
coats and then polish with Aqua buff to remove any dust and give it a
little higher shine.

If it turns out ok I plan to do the balance of the boards.

Will report the final outcome.

Fletch
Camp Dvid
OC 400

[bbigd...@aol.com]

Fletch,

WHAT IS Mohawk Pre-cat Lacquer Stain (spray finish)? Is it a spray can?

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: fletch <davidf...@sympatico.ca>
To: Beneteau Owners <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>

[Scott]

Doing some research I found out the my 343 has the following CE Certification:

 

A6   B7   C8   D10 

 

Is that the Category and number of persons?

 

 

Scott

 

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[Lynn Greentree]

Hi Scott

The info on my 361 shows this:

Category A Ocean Rated 8 people on board
B Offshore Rated 8 People on board
C Inshore Rated 10 People on Board
D Sheltered Waters Rated 12 People On Board.

Lynn Greentree
B361

--- Scott <ipac...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Doing some research I found out the my 343 has the
> following CE Certification:
>
> A6 B7 C8 D10
>
> Is that the Category and number of persons?
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>

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[meve...@cox.net]

Yes, each is the recommended maximum number of people onboard for each category (water type) for that vessel, usually assigned to each model.

Mike E.

[Ivars]

I would verify with Beneteau what product they use on the floor. I
believe they use polyurathane ( on my boat anyway ). There is a
compatibility issue of what product will adhere to what.

Varnish will not adhere / bond to polyurathane. Varnish will eventaully
peel off like a cigarette wrapper. It has to do with the hardness of the
cured poly. Even poly needs to well preped ( sanded) for the new coat to
get a good bond. The "softer" finishes will lift from the harder finishes.
Polyurathane over most finishes (unknown) is a better bet.

Depending on the severity of use of the floor boards and the amount of
finish on them a light sand of the finish and a finish buff with compund
will take out scratches and bring back the luster. This will work only if
the finish has not worn through.

> [Original Message]
> From: <meve...@cox.net>
> To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: 1/8/2006 7:24:20 PM

> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Floor board touch up
>
>

[fletch]

There is a good article on the B owners web site: ( Woodwork)

Mohawk is a company that makes finishes that B recommends.

Here is the list of Beneteau's recommended suppliers:

Material Sources:
Polyester buffing compound: Aquabuff 2000 from Hawkeye Industries
800-977-0060
Lacquer: Pre-Catalyzed Lacquer Satin #102-0412. Mohawk Finishing
Products. 518-843-1380
Super Blush Retarder #103-0476.
Burn-In Kit: Behlen's burn-in kit. #850-987. Woodworker's Supply.
800-645-9292
Burn-In Sticks: the best match is Lt. Walnut #850-868. Also useful are
Dark Walnut # 850-931
and Cherry # 851-889 Woodworker's Supply
Wax Fill Pencils: Minwax Bend-Fil #'s 5 (most common), #3 (light), #6
(dark). available locally
Felt tip marker: Behlen Scratch Remover: Cherry #851-260 .
Woodworker's Supply.
Touch-up Markers from Beneteau France: Light Cherry: part # 270010,
Dark Cherry: #006013
Varnish/stain pens: Furniture Touch-up Stain manufactured by Master
Products, Inc. Available
through Cecil James Paint & Wallpaper Center, Marion SC 843-423-5814.
The best
match is Early American #10040. Also useful is Cherry #10010.

The finish is very hard, harder than varnish and easy to apply. Maybe
it is worth a try on a small peice. I think it is the way to go for a
factory type look. Which is what I am attempting to achieve.

Fletch

[pegasu...@aol.com]

Beneteau uses The Mohawk Laq stain.  They recommended that to me as well.  Not as durable as poly, Athough I agree with you that the floor should have polyurathane

Joe 

[Dl...@aol.com]

In a message dated 09/01/2006 04:45:50 GMT Standard Time, ipac...@yahoo.com writes:

Doing some research I found out the my 343 has the following CE Certification:

 

A6   B7   C8   D10 

 

Is that the Category and number of persons?

 

 

Scott

 

it matters not what it is unless you are in the EU or want to take or sell your boat there and then the only thing that matters is that you have CE certification.

 

CE ratings are EU bureaucracy gone mad

 

regards

 

David

[Scott]

I realize that but it's nice to know it's at least rated in the A - Ocean category, as other models are B and lower

[Scott]

thanks!  I know I'll probably not go too far out in the deep blue sea but it's nice to know the boat has been rated for it for insurance reasons

Lynn Greentree <blg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Scott

The info on my 361 shows this:

Category A Ocean Rated 8 people on board
B Offshore Rated 8 People on board
C Inshore Rated 10 People on Board
D Sheltered Waters Rated 12 People On Board.

Lynn Greentree
B361

--- Scott wrote:

> Doing some research I found out the my 343 has the
> following CE Certification:
>
> A6 B7 C8 D10
>
> Is that the Category and number of persons?
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
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[Dl...@aol.com]

In a message dated 09/01/2006 18:53:59 GMT Standard Time, ipac...@yahoo.com writes:

I realize that but it's nice to know it's at least rated in the A - Ocean category, as other models are B and lower

Dl...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 09/01/2006 04:45:50 GMT Standard Time, ipac...@yahoo.com writes:

Doing some research I found out the my 343 has the following CE Certification:

 

A6   B7   C8   D10 

 

Is that the Category and number of persons?

 

 

Scott

 

it matters not what it is unless you are in the EU or want to take or sell your boat there and then the only thing that matters is that you have CE certification.

 

CE ratings are EU bureaucracy gone mad

 

regards

 

David

yes BUT it is a load of RUBBISH a year or two ago now - not sure about the timescale a round the world sailor bought his Canadian built long keel double ended bullet proof blue water cruiser back to the UK

 

he had been out in at least three force 10 storms crossed the atlantic and the pacific and all he got after applying for CE certification was  - a not out of sight of land CE certificate.

 

sorry but if you believe that CE cert is worth anything EXCEPT allowing you to sail and sell your boat in EU waters you are delusional - no personal offence meant of course.

 

regards

 

David

[Eta Johnson]

Where did you find this rating? I would love to know the ratings on my
Oceanis 390, year 89.

Thanks
Gordon
Didi Mau

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From: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:Benetea...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Greentree
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:02 AM
To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com

[Dl...@aol.com]

In a message dated 09/01/2006 23:04:01 GMT Standard Time, ejohn...@cox.net writes:

Where did you find this rating?  I would love to know the ratings on my
Oceanis 390, year 89.

Thanks
Gordon
Didi Mau

wont have one toooooooooooooooooooo old :-)

 

regards

 

David

[Eta Johnson]

Thanks David.  Don’t figure it is required, but I was curious.

 

Gordon

 

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From: Beneteau-Own...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Beneteau-Own...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dl...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:09 PM
To: Beneteau-Own...@googlegroups.com
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: CE Ratings

 

In a message dated 09/01/2006 23:04:01 GMT Standard Time, ejohn...@cox.net writes:

[Dl...@aol.com]

 

ENJOY   he he

 

regards

 

David

 

 

Recreational Craft (RC) Directives 94/25/EC and 2003/44/EC

Subject Area

The two Directives, 94/25/EC (the “old RCD”) and 2003/44/EC (the “New RCD”) will remain as separate documents.

Directive 94/25/EC applies to recreational craft measuring between 2.5 and 24 metres hull length, regardless of the means of propulsion, and intended for sport and leisure purposes. This includes:

• partly completed recreational craft and
• specific components i.e. engine ignition systems, steering systems, fuel systems, etc as referred to in Annex II of the Directive.
• Exclusions include canoes, surfboards, craft specifically intended to be crewed and to carry passengers for commercial purposes, hydrofoils etc.

Directive 2003/44/EC extended the scope of the original Directive in terms of Design and Construction by:

• including personal watercraft (e.g. jet skis)
• amending some of the essential requirements (e.g. modification of Design category D)

introducing limits for exhaust emissions from propulsion engines intended for use in recreational craft and noise emissions from recreational craft
 

Intention of Legislation

To remove barriers to trade and ensure open means of access by Member States to Community markets.

Brief History

Directive 94/24/EC was adopted by the European Parliament on 16 June 1994 and was transposed into UK Law by the Recreational Craft Regulations 1996 (SI 1996/1353) (as amended) which came into force on 16 June 1996. The Regulations had a transition period until 16 June 1998 when they became mandatory. The Amending Directive 2003/44/EC was adopted on 16 June 2003. The Recreational Craft Regulations 2004 (SI 2004/1464) and The Recreational Craft (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (SI 2004/3201) (as amended) were created to cover all aspects of Directive 2003/44/EC as well as 94/25/EC in a consolidated form and came into force on 30 June 2004 thereby allowing the appointment of Notified Bodies.

Copies of all three documents are available in hard copy from The Stationery Office (for SI 1996/1353: quote: ISBN 0-11-054751-9, for SI2004/1464: quote: ISBN 0 11 049361 3 and for SI 2004/3201: quote: ISBN 0 11 050796 7)
 

Current Position

The main provisions of the Recreational Craft Regulations 2004 (as amended) took effect on 1 January 2005 with the revocation of the Recreational Craft Regulations 1996. However, it is important to note that there are various “transitional periods” to allow industry and others time to adapt to the new legislation.

• From 16 June 1996, manufacturers or importers of recreational craft, partly completed recreational craft or specified components covered by the Recreational Craft Regulations 1996 (as amended) had the choice until 15 June 1998 of either complying with the Regulations or continue to comply with any UK national safety provisions.
• From 1 January 2005 to 31 December 2005, boatbuilders and importers may choose to apply the “old” RCD or the “new” RCD. Most engine manufacturers may choose between the “new” RCD or any other national legislation applicable to their products.

Manufacturers and importers of two-stroke spark ignition engines will have up to 31 December 2006 to choose whether to apply the provisions of the “new” RCD or any other national legislation applicable to their products.
 

Future Work

By December 2006 the European Commission shall submit a report on the possibilities of further improving the environmental characteristics of engines and also consider the need to revise the boat design categories. Work is currently under way and, in the light of the results, the European Commission shall submit appropriate proposals to the European Parliament and the Council by 31 December 2007 with a view to revise the RCD as required.

Guidance / Further Information

• The Commission has issued guidance on the application of Directive 94/25/EC entitled 'Recreational Craft Directive and Comments to the Directive Combined' which is available from the Commission's website
• Guidance on the application of Directive 2003/44/EC will soon be made available by the European Commission
• A comprehensive DTI Guidance booklet covering the Regulations in its consolidated form will be soon available.
• Representatives from the Member States have agreed a version of the written Declaration of Conformity which must accompany a product as required by Article 4 (2) and (3) and Annex III of the Directive 94/25/EC (Regulation 7(2)(c) and (3) and Schedule 3 of The Recreational Craft Regulations 1996 SI. 1996 No. 1353). This document, although not mandatory, has been translated into the various Community languages and its use will be recommended by the European Commission and Market Surveillance Authorities across the European Union. It is hoped that this document will ease the task of manufacturers and provide uniformity across Europe regarding the information provided on the Declaration of Conformity. The document is now available on the DTI website as rcd_doc.pdf (22 kB).
  Instructions on how to complete the Declaration of Conformity are available from the Commission’s website
• Under the Recreational Craft Regulations 2004 (as amended), Notified Bodies may be appointed to carry out various testing and certification functions. These procedures are necessary to demonstrate conformity with the essential safety requirements of the Recreational Craft Directive 2003/44/EC amending Directive 94/25/EC).
• A comprehensive DTI Guidance booklet  for organisations seeking Notified Body status is available together with a list of UK Notified Bodies.
• A list of EU Notified Bodies appointed under the Recreational Craft Directive 2003/44/EC amending Directive 94/25/EC is also available from the Commission’s website.

Further information, including lists of harmonised standards as published periodically in the Official Journal of the European Communities and lists of Notified Bodies appointed by EU/EEA Member States, is available from the European Commission's "Enterprise" website.
 

Contact

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[meve...@cox.net]

There should be a "data plate", which is a metal plate, mounted on the inside of the cockpit, usually on a vertical surface. This "data plate" should have the make, model, CE Certification information on it.

>
> From: Ted Weitz <ted....@gmail.com>
> Date: 2006/01/09 Mon AM 12:36:12 EST
> To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com

> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: CE Ratings
>

> Thanks guys. It appears its B6/C8/D10.
> On 1/9/06, Scott <ipac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.beneteau.com/ressource/documents/1743/B_oceanis323_fr_ang_092005.pdf
> >
> > *Ted Weitz <ted....@gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> > Where do you find CE ratings? i would be interested in knowing them for
> > my B323
> > with a lifting keel.

> > On 1/9/06, meve...@cox.net <meve...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, each is the recommended maximum number of people onboard for each
> > > category (water type) for that vessel, usually assigned to each model.
> > >
> > > Mike E.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Scott <ipac...@yahoo.com>
> > > > Date: 2006/01/08 Sun PM 11:45:40 EST

> > > > To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
> > > > Subject: {Beneteau Owners} CE Ratings
> > > >
> > > > Doing some research I found out the my 343 has the following CE
> > > Certification:
> > > >
> > > > A6 B7 C8 D10
> > > >
> > > > Is that the Category and number of persons?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your
> > > hands ASAP.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

> > --
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> > tm...@columbia.edu
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
> --
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> tm...@columbia.edu
>

[Ted Weitz]

I'm sure there will be, but the boat hasn't been delivered yet.  I am expecting it in March.

--
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[nealalex235]

Interesting that my little 235 is rated B for 4 people and C for 6
people. Most 30 footers seem to be in the C category.

[Howell Cooper]

Did you get that info off the nameplate or some site?

Coop

[Jean VAURY]

easy, it means that you will be A with a crew of 6 B with 7 etc

>From: Scott <ipac...@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
>To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: CE Ratings

>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:53:19 -0800 (PST)
>
>I realize that but it's nice to know it's at least rated in the A - Ocean
>category, as other models are B and lower
>
>Dl...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 09/01/2006 04:45:50 GMT
>Standard Time, ipac...@yahoo.com writes:
> Doing some research I found out the my 343 has the following CE
>Certification:
>
> A6 B7 C8 D10
>
> Is that the Category and number of persons?
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> it matters not what it is unless you are in the EU or want to take or
>sell your boat there and then the only thing that matters is that you have
>CE certification.
>
> CE ratings are EU bureaucracy gone mad
>
> regards
>
> David
>
>
>
>

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[Eta Johnson]

Thanks David.

 

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From: Beneteau-Own...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Beneteau-Own...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dl...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:20 PM
To: Beneteau-Own...@googlegroups.com
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: CE Ratings

 

 

ENJOY   he he

[Mike Friedman]

Jean: For purposes of increasing my base of knowledge and perhaps giving some perspective to the discussion of CE Ratings do you know the answer to the following:
The First 30 obviously pre dates the CE rating system. I understand that it was rated at the time in the category of 100 miles off shore. Do you know what or why it was not given a full ocean rating ?
Mike Friedman

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jean VAURY <jeanlittl...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 10, 2006 9:55 PM
>To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: CE Ratings
>
>

>easy, it means that you will be A with a crew of 6 B with 7 etc
>
>>From: Scott <ipac...@yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
>>To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com

>>Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: CE Ratings

[Jean VAURY]

Mike,

Because of the First 30 is shorter than 10 meters, that was not possible to
give him the 1st categorie at that time. she was given the 2nd which allowed
200 milles from a shelter, enough for ireland and spain and corsica etc
each Time somebody asked for a temporary 1st they got it
Remember that a brit won the Ostar in the 30 footer category with stock
First 30 S (the one with farctionned rig and backstays).
Best regards
Jean

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[Bruce]

Has anyone tried "Ultimate Sole"? It looks too easy.

http://216.204.68.29/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=25

[Peter James]

My boat has those Beneteau floorboards that look like teak and holly but are
in fact an artificial material. I put Ultimate Sole in the forward cabin and
it looks just wonderful. Very high gloss finish but (as promised at the boat
show) a surface that isn't slippery even with wet feet. I'm working my way
through the rest of the boat. The Admiral loves it.

Peter
Arcadia, B50
Stamford, CT

-----Original Message-----
From: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:Benetea...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:04 PM
To: Beneteau Owners
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Floor board touch up

[mjb]

Peter,

Just curious - why did you put "Ultimate Sole" over the "Formica-like"
artificial floorboards. I also ordered these "laminate" floorboards in
large part to eliminate any required maintenance down the road.

Mike

[Ca...@aol.com]

I agree ... I just asked the Admiral and she has no problem with our Soles that have suffered 4 years of abuse. We have Kmart/Walmart non-skid rugs that have saved lots of grief. We spent lots of time figuring out the rug situation and so far it's paid off. No major scratches and with rugs in place, firm footing.

 

Cap & Linda Munday
S/V Zydeco
B 473 #20
West River, Maryland, USA

[Stephen Foley]

Sanded it with no stripper.

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From: Benetea...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Benetea...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sailfree
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:51 PM
To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com

Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Floor board touch up

I'm getting ready to try Ultimate Sole.  Sorry to hear you didn't get
the advertised finish. What product did you use as a stripper?  Thanks.

Stephen Foley wrote:

>I did and good not get a good finish coat like the one they showed me at
>the boat show.  Finished off with Interlux Gloss.  Admiral loves the
>full gloss though I was wanting to finish with Satin.
>
>
>  
>

[Peter James]

Mike...

Well, in our case the floorboards weren't ordered, but inherited. I just
found them dull and unattractive and they seemed to be getting
dirtier-looking each year (the boat is a '96). And I was standing around at
a boat show the year before last with the booth flooded and the tent trying
to blow itself to pieces (again) and not much to do and I got talked into it
by Steve on the Ultimate Sole stand who hadn't tried them on that sort of
flooring yet and gave me a sample tin...and I became a convert. Took the
floorboards out, sanded them down, applied the treatment and it transformed
our cabin. Are we talking about the same material? - mine looks more like
untreated wood than Formica.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:Benetea...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mjb
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:13 PM
To: Beneteau Owners
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Floor board touch up

[Michael Puig]

****http://www.beneteau.fr/ressource/matrice/first_34.7/index.htm

good looking boat.

[Bob Getty]

Michael,
Very interesting!
What is with that waterline/boot strip?
Hope this is a prototype and not the portent of something to come. 
The weirdest water line/Boot Strip I have ever seen on any boat, sail, power, Beneteau or other!

On 1/18/06, Michael Puig <pu...@artshot.net> wrote:

****http://www.beneteau.fr/ressource/matrice/first_34.7/index.htm


good looking boat.

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[Michael Puig]

Nope, that is hull #1 coming soon to a dealer near you.