Installing Washdown Pump

[Matt Lynch]

Folks,   Anybody installed an anchor washdown pump in their Beneteau?  Mine's a 351.  Where did you put the pump?  How did you obtain water (new through-hull, T off existing through-hull)?  I was planning on using raw water.  Anyone using fresh?     Thanks,   -Matt.

[mark....@gmail.com]

If using fresh can you tee off the sink in the foreward cabin?

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From: Matt Lynch
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:55:16 -0800 (PST)
To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Installing Washdown Pump

[Bob at Gmail]

Matt,

My 351 has a thru hull for the A/C cooling water pump in the STBD FWD under settee storage compartment. 

I teed into that and located the pump there.  I pulled power from the Anchor windlass controller in the Vee berth.

I only have power when the windless has power eliminating worries of leaving the power on and a leak filling the boat. 

I use reinforced garden hose to run it to the anchor locker. 

I did need a check valve to prevent sucking air back thru the A/C overboard.

I hope this helps.

                 Bob 
         S/V Our Dream
'97 Beneteau Oceanis 351 #195
   Slip C-17, Castle Harbor Marina
     Chester River  Kent Island
           Chester, MD
             _/)__/)__/)_

From: Matt Lynch

Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:55 AM

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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Installing Washdown Pump

[mark....@gmail.com]

Reinforced garden hose as the actual hose or as chaffe protection?

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From: "Bob at Gmail"
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:05:26 -0500
To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Matt Lynch]

Thanks Bob.  So you basically have the pump located close to the through-hull, with the longer hose run on the discharge side, running up to the anchor locker, right?  I was kind of wondering whether it was better to have the pump closer to the through-hull (longer run on the pump-out side) or closer to the locker (longer run sucking water to the pump). --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Bob at Gmail <ourdr...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Bob at Gmail <ourdr...@gmail.com> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Bob at Gmail]

I used the reinforced garden hose for the discharge line from the pump to the anchor locker. 

I think the shorter the suction line the less problems.

I toyed with the idea of mounting everything in the anchor locker and just dropping a suction line into the water from the bow when I needed it but Nah!

I don't keep the wash down system pressurized so I don't anticipate problems with garden hose.

It's been fine for 2 - 3 seasons.

[Bill Jarvis]

I have an anchor wash down on my 42s7. Its water source is tee’d into a thro hull in the forward head.

 

One of the very best improvements you can make!

 

Bill

 

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[carl ramsey]

whats up with  bucket on end of rope????????????

 

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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:39:26 -0500

[carl ramsey]

all part of keeping fit etc,,,,,lol

 

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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:16:54 +0000

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[Howell Cooper]

Been using the old bucket-on-the-rope thing and will, most likely continue to do so since, as with oars, it starts on the first pull.  However; some of our anchoring areas have about 2 or 3 million years worth of continental runoff, read organic stuff, that congeals like a really bad chocolate mousse into a very sticky blob.  Unpressurized water will not do the trick.  We usually  motor around a bit to get what we can then haul the rest back to the slip to blow over all the stuff in our dock.  Imagine modeling clay, with a sewer odor.

 

Howell Cooper

Why Knot

Port Aransas, Tx

 

[Howell Cooper]

Carl,

I forgot the other reason some may wish to do the pump thingy:  one cannot do the bucket thing lest one has to sit one's beverage down.

 

Howell

[mark....@gmail.com]

Stand on the pulpit and pour from a height :)

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From: "Howell Cooper"
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:22:18 -0600

To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[carl ramsey]

I agree yes for some local unusual seabed condition,,,However,, if you want to have your cocktail and washdown @same time the only answer is a PUMP
 

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From: mark....@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:27:21 +0000

[carl ramsey]

for me the inline pump(waterproof  integral on/off switch on casing) in anchor locker using winch terminals with enough coiled reinforce garden hose to reach water with filter...for wash down,,,,,hozel lock connection for washdown hose,,,,stored........,,????????????????????maybe on top of chain when complete.....sounds good to me...easy

 
 

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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:31:01 +0000

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[mark....@gmail.com]

Or you could take the beer and convert that into a pressurized stream :)

M

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From: carl ramsey
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:31:01 +0000
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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Howell Cooper]

It's really sticky.  Need to stand on the spreader.

 

H

[Howell Cooper]

That pressurize beer thing might work (ok you started it) if one's hose reaches. 

 

Apologies to those I may have offended.

 

Howell

[mark....@gmail.com]

I didn't realize that was a problem :D

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From: "Howell Cooper"
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:49:57 -0600

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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Howell Cooper]

Not unless the water is cold.

 

[pmerme...@verizon.net]

On ny 393, I have a head forward in the Vee, and the washdown intake
is thru a Tee from an existing thu-hull (the one for the toilet
intake). The existing seacock serves both the head and washdown. There
is a short run to the washdown pump thru a strainer, then on to the
anchor well with a coiled hose and hose nozzle with trigger. Works
great.

[Matt Lynch]

Thanks.  That's what I thought would be the best way to do it.  Of course on the 351, there is no forward head, so I'm thinking I'll go from the galley sink drain through-hull and mount the pump under the galley sink and just send the outlet hose forward to the anchor locker.   Question:  Has anyone plumbed the pump to run off fresh water, or some kind of arrangement where there would be a raw/fresh option?  I was talking to Herself about it last night and she seems to think it would be a good option to be able to use fresh water to rinse the deck.  I think that sounds like a PTA, for very little benefit, but I told her I'd check with the list.  Thanks! --- On Tue, 3/3/09, pmerme...@verizon.net <pmerme...@verizon.net> wrote:

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[mark....@gmail.com]

Do you have a watermaker? That's a lot of precious fresh water

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From: Matt Lynch
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:26:19 -0800 (PST)
To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Bob at Gmail]

Matt,

The Bay is nearly fresh, surely not true saltwater.   

Any extensive amount of "deck" washdown would surely consume a lot of your on board FW supply. 

Remember this washdown is primarily for washing bay bottom muck from the anchor and rode. 

Hope this helps.

                 Bob 
         S/V Our Dream
'97 Beneteau Oceanis 351 #195
   Slip C-17, Castle Harbor Marina
     Chester River  Kent Island
           Chester, MD
             _/)__/)__/)_

[Howell Cooper]

Fresh water or salt water, that is the question.  If one has a water maker or sails on fresh water, or only does so for very brief times, fresh might be an option.  You can imagine how that would sit with the Admiral if she learned I shot the last of her personal water over the anchor in some bay somewhere.  Then again, if one had the ability to switch for say a final rinse, that might not be bad.  For me, the user of the bucket, it's whatever water I am in.  Sometimes, as in the case of overuse of the Admiral's personal water, it is hot water- very hot water.

 

Howell Cooper

[Matt Lynch]

Mark/Bob/Howell,   I think the points all three of you made are right on the money.  The boat doesn't have a watermaker, and all I need is raw water to wash anchor muck off the anchor/chain/deck.  We wind up back at the dock at the end of every weekend anyway, so I can use the fresh water on the dock to give the boat a proper bath.  Thanks! --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Howell Cooper <hco...@gvtc.com> wrote:

From: Howell Cooper <hco...@gvtc.com> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Barac, Dan CAR]

If you tap into the sink drain, won't you be sucking air from the sink? You could of course make sure the sink plugs are firmly in place while you're washing the deck. This however does not sound very practical to me...

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Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 0:26
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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Matt Lynch]

Not sure about that.  I believe the top of that seacock is well below the water line.  I mean, if I took the sink drain hose off the barb and opened the seacock with the boat in the water (which I've never done), my assumption is that I'd wind up on the bottom in short order, no? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Barac, Dan CAR <Dan....@carrier.utc.com> wrote:

[mark....@gmail.com]

Depends on how deep the water is :)

I wouldn't tap into the sink drain for this. I MIGHT tap into a water intake for a forward head if there was one but you'd need a wye or a tee and a shut off for the head, otherwise you'll suck air from the head (vacuum on the 'in' side) - same applies to any non drain thru-hull, right ?

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From: Matt Lynch
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:34:16 -0800 (PST)

To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump

[Brian Smith]

And how powerful the pump is ... if it sucks faster than water would
naturally push through the hull, it will suck air from the sink.

Brian
Li Wei OC381
now in Herrington Harbor North
Chesapeake Bay

On Mar 5, 2009, at 10:44 AM, mark....@gmail.com wrote:

> Depends on how deep the water is :)
>
> I wouldn't tap into the sink drain for this. I MIGHT tap into a
> water intake for a forward head if there was one but you'd need a
> wye or a tee and a shut off for the head, otherwise you'll suck air
> from the head (vacuum on the 'in' side) - same applies to any non
> drain thru-hull, right ?
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> From: Matt Lynch
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:34:16 -0800 (PST)
> To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump
>
> Not sure about that. I believe the top of that seacock is well
> below the water line. I mean, if I took the sink drain hose off the
> barb and opened the seacock with the boat in the water (which I've
> never done), my assumption is that I'd wind up on the bottom in
> short order, no?
>
> --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Barac, Dan CAR <Dan....@carrier.utc.com> wrote:
> From: Barac, Dan CAR <Dan....@carrier.utc.com>
> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump
> To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:02 AM
>
> If you tap into the sink drain, won't you be sucking air from the
> sink? You could of course make sure the sink plugs are firmly in
> place while you're washing the deck. This however does not sound
> very practical to me...
>

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[Matt Lynch]

Hmpf...this could get interesting.  On the 351, the head is aft.  All the through-hulls are aft of the keel, except the galley sink drain through-hull.  I'm not crazy about the length of the run from the galley sink drain to the anchor locker as it is.  I really don't know about going all the way back to the head for water.  Bob's 351 has A/C and he has a through-hull (I would guess?) near the forward end of the salon, just aft of the bulkhead for the forward cabin.  That is about as far aft as the galley sink drain on my European-galley model 351.  He was able to T into his A/C through-hull.  I don't have that option (Admiral won't let me spend $ on A/C).   --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Brian Smith <Li...@stargazersystems.com> wrote:

[Bob at Gmail]

Matt,

You are correct about the A/C thru hull for my washdown pump

but I did mention that I had to install a check valve to keep the washdown pump from drawing air thru the A/C overboard discharge. 

I used a simple swing check (bronze) for the local ACE hardware.

                 Bob 
         S/V Our Dream
'97 Beneteau Oceanis 351 #195
   Slip C-17, Castle Harbor Marina
     Chester River  Kent Island
           Chester, MD
             _/)__/)__/)_

[Matt Lynch]

Ewww...so in my case a check valve won't work, will it?  If I install it on the sink drain side, it will either block both the water coming down the sink drain and any air that would get sucked through or, if I orient it in the opposite direction, it will allow both sink drain water and suctioned air.  Right? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Bob at Gmail <ourdr...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Howell Cooper]

The simple approach is to put a drain plug in the sink when using the drain line as a supply line for the pump.  Sort of a procedural thing.

 

 

[Bob at Gmail]

Matt,

I like the suggestion to put the sink stopper in as part of the washdown pump procedure 

You haven't mentioned where you intend to get power from. 

I arranged my power to come form the anchor windlass controller which is wired with a relay to get power only with the engine running.

This is a "Beneteau-Moorings" feature to prevent draining the batteries with the windlass among other things.

I also have to set a 70 amp breaker to feed the windlass and washdown pump. 

All of which protect me from having the washdown pump unintentionally run from a discharge line leak and flood the boat. 

[mark....@gmail.com]

I found the same relay issue when I wanted to use the windlass while on shore in springtime to haul up new chain and anchor (batteries were charging on shore power), so I rigged a temporary wire from a + feed to the relay to mimic the exciter wire. I disconnected one end but kept it handy just in case I ever have an emergency and need to run the windlass off the battery when the engine is not operational.

Mark

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From: "Bob at Gmail"
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:51:07 -0500

[Ca...@aol.com]

Too good a point, Howell! I can't imagine using fresh water to clean crud off anchor rode. That deck wash item (with separate hole in the boat) is wonderful. Also great to squirt dogs and occasional folks on nearby boats.

 

Cap on Dataw Island, SC

 

In a message dated 3/4/2009 11:12:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hco...@gvtc.com writes:

Fresh water or salt water, that is the question.  If one has a water maker or sails on fresh water, or only does so for very brief times, fresh might be an option.  You can imagine how that would sit with the Admiral if she learned I shot the last of her personal water over the anchor in some bay somewhere.  Then again, if one had the ability to switch for say a final rinse, that might not be bad.  For me, the user of the bucket, it's whatever water I am in.  Sometimes, as in the case of overuse of the Admiral's personal water, it is hot water- very hot water.

 

Howell Cooper

 

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[Barac, Dan CAR]

Matt,

 

It is true that the seacock is well below the water line, but the pump would still suck air from the sink because it is the path of lesser resistance. It is "easier" to suck air than water.

Regards,
Dan

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Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 0:34

[Bob at Gmail]

Matt,

I just had another thought.  On my 351 we have a foot pump with its own thru hull.

This is located under the galley sink for presumed use of "sea water" for dishwashing to conserver FW.

However we would never use this on the Bay and have disconnected the thru hull

and use the pump via a 1/4" line to pump out the water that collects in pan were the speed sensor is when we pull it. 

This saves using a bucket and sponge. 

Any way if you have this, the thru hull should be ideal for you washdown pump either directly or via a Tee.

I hope this helps.

[Matt Lynch]

...ain't gone none...but thanks anyway.

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[Landshark]

I have a Beneteau 423.  I installed the washdown pump under the forward sink.  Installed is a quick release fitting so I can connect the hose and then pass it up through the overhead hatch.  Perhaps someday I'll install a deck fitting, but this arrangment works really well.  At the intake to the pump I installed a tee fitting.  One end of the tee is for the seawater feed.  The other end of the tee goes to about four feet of hose rolled-up and stored under the sink with a easily removed plug on the end..  This other hose then can be used for freshwater feed from a bucket, or suck water from the bilge as a redundant bilge pump.

 

Donald

Anchorage, Alaska

s/v Satisfaction

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:

If using fresh can you tee off the sink in the foreward cabin?

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From: Matt Lynch
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:55:16 -0800 (PST)
To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Installing Washdown Pump

Folks,   Anybody installed an anchor washdown pump in their Beneteau?  Mine's a 351.  Where did you put the pump?  How did you obtain water (new through-hull, T off existing through-hull)?  I was planning on using raw water.  Anyone using fresh?     Thanks,   -Matt.

[Lynn Greentree]

On our 361 we installed a tee in the saltwater feed to the head, installed the pump with the rest of the plumbing under the starboard cabin seat, and ran the output to a fitting in the acnhor locker were we keep a 6 ft length on hose connected with a spray nozzel connected to it. We wired an on off switch under sink in the head .

Lynn Greentree
B361 Dolphin Tales
Victoria BC
(Now in Mazatlan Mexico)


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> From: Landshark <df3...@gmail.com>
> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: Installing Washdown Pump
> To: Benetea...@googlegroups.com

> From: Matt Lynch
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:55:16 -0800 (PST)
> To: <Benetea...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Installing Washdown Pump
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> Folks,
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> Anybody installed an anchor washdown pump in their
> Beneteau?  Mine's a 351.  Where did you put the
> pump?  How did you obtain water (new through-hull, T off
> existing through-hull)?  I was planning on using raw
> water.  Anyone using fresh?
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> Thanks,
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> -Matt.
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