XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

[BellaTuscany Adhoc_Committee]

Dear Owner member,

This is to inform you that XS Real has arranged for Vendors' meeting with Transition Committee on 11th December, 2010 at 10 am for
discussions on STP , WTP etc. This is exclusively for the problems mainly faced  in STP and to find out the installation parameters and operating & maintenance system etc

In the meantime, M/s XS Real had sent to all owners a mail dated 7/12/2010 communicating their intent to withdraw the Reticulated Gas Plant for
safety reasons. This being a very important devlopement, please send in your views on the issue to the Transition Committee.  During the proposed meeting mentioned above, The Transition Committee would only listen to XS Real's stand on RGC and find out the reasons, background and  other relevant information connected to the issue.

The Transition Committee, however, would not, at this stage take any decision until we hear from all the owners, their valuable views. We request all members to communicate their views regarding Reticulated Gas Connection as immediately as possible.

Regards,
N Narasimhan
for Transition Committee

[sundar Iyer]

Sir,
 
I dont know what STP/WTP is.  I am sure you will take care of it.
 
On the RGC, my view is that if the builder and the Gas agency is not able to assure us of safety of it's operation, then we must take a call if it is safe.  According to me it is not a major issue.  All along I have used indivudual cylinders at home and can continue to do so.
 
Best Regards
 
Sundar

Sundar Iyer
e-mail: sunda...@hotmail.com
Phone : Mob: +91-98710-44933

 

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:24:15 +0530
Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection
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[Raghavan C.L.V.]

Hi,  This is Raghavan(P5B2A).  I did not receive any mail on this on 7/12 from XSReal regarding withdrawal the Reticulated Gas Plant for safety reasons.  It's hard for me to believe that a builder was unaware of any safety concerns before even including it in the project.  XSReal is not the only builder to provide this option. Every reasonably big sized project includes this facility. I wonder why only XSReal is not able to assure safety. Regards, Raghavan. --- On Thu, 12/9/10, BellaTuscany Adhoc_Committee <bellatuscany.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: BellaTuscany Adhoc_Committee <bellatuscany.a...@gmail.com> Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

[Sivaramakrishnan Balakrishnan]

Dear All,

It is astonishing that the builder would make this 'assumption' of safety, include it as a feature (which is certainly a convenience factor), build it out in the building master plans, collect moneys for it, and then backtrack on this commitment (which is, I believe, contractually obligated), at this stage, because they are not able to secure an express (as opposed to verbal) commitment on safety. Moreover, many apartment owners, including myself, have already designed and fitted our kitchens / cabinets, etc. to accommodate the reticulated gas system. Surely, this is not the first (nor last) reticulated gas system in Chennai. How are other builders, if any, offering this facility without issues?

The mail from XS Real dated December 7 states that Indian Oil will ''ensure that all safety norms are adhered [sic] in the installation". I am at a loss to understand how they can 'ensure' that safety norms have been adhered to without certifying the same in writing. What is the point of IOC even inspecting anything if they can't make a written commitment?

Why is it that AGTPL's 'certification' of safety is inferior (in a legal sense) to that of IOC (or any such government agency)? I thought Nehru was long dead, so why this business of 'government is superior to private'? After all, AGTPL is making a standard contractual commitment which should hold up in any court - I say this as a layman and not a trained legal professional. Why would there be a greater safety concern if AGTPL has certified something vs a government agency like IOC? This would be hilarious, if the issue were not so serious.

XS Real goes on to make a statement that  "The traditional system of LPG gas through cylinders is relatively safer than the reticulated system, as there is less risk". This statement is offered without any qualifiers. If this is true, then why offer a less safe alternative in the first place as a 'feature' of the building?

Bala
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[Raghavan C.L.V.]

Dear All,   This is Raghavan - owner of P5B2A.   I had sent a mail y'day, but it had bounced and hence am sharing my opinion again here.   It is hard to believe that a builder could commit on RGS without having evaluated the safety of this mechanism.  Having mentioned this as a "feature" of this project, they must have done all the necessary study before including this.   Also, XSReal is not the only builder giving RGS. How is it that only XSReal has safety concerns and unable to obtain a written commitment on safety.  I wonder how the other builders have handled this.   My kitchen has already been fitted in with the assumption of RGS and so doesn't have a provision for the cylinder supply.   Lastly, I would like to mention that I "did not" receive any communication from XSReal reg. the RGS.  Without this googlegroups, I wouldn't have been aware of this at all! A million thanks to have setup this forum. Regards, Raghavan. --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Sivaramakrishnan Balakrishnan <sivaramakrishna...@bayer.com> wrote:

[ramachandran gomathi]

Dear owner/resident friends, I am SundaraRaman,f/o Bharath SundaraRaman. My son & his wife Anusha Santhanam owns flat P5B3C.. We are of the opinion that the builder should be allowed to escape from his commitment of providing SAFE RGC. But safety is very important and cannot be sacrificed. If the builder pleads  his inability,we may permit him to withdraw. Thanking you all, Yours truly, TSR & Family

On Thu, 12/9/10, BellaTuscany Adhoc_Committee <bellatuscany.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: BellaTuscany Adhoc_Committee <bellatuscany.a...@gmail.com> Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

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[Noorani]

Dear All,

 

I am Noorani from P5CIC . It is completely unacceptable since XS is committed for RGC and we paid

for it. This will spoil the reputation of XS forth coming project "Siena Bella Tuscany" I have

everyhope , XS will reconsider this issue positively.
 

Best Regards,

 

-Noorani

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Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 5:54:15 PM

Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

[Sutram Vasudeva Sarma]

Dear All

 

Please find enclosed the relevant standards from OISD -- "Oil Industry Safety Directorate" which specifies the guidelines for installation for LPG manifold ... which is what we are having in our premises.

 

This is for your information.

 

Regards

Vasudeva

Ph:9600002566

Unit:C3B

[ramachandran gomathi]

Dear owner/resident members, I am SundaraRaman again While expressing our opinion, I have omitted 'NOT' by mistake. Please read the third sentence as follows The builder should NOT be allowed to escape from his commitment of providing SAFE RGC Sorry for the inconvenience. Yours truly, TSR & Family.--- On Fri, 12/10/10, ramachandran gomathi <goms...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ramachandran gomathi <goms...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection To: bellat...@googlegroups.com, n.nat...@yahoo.com Cc: bella-tuscany-tra...@googlegroups.com, vasudev...@gmail.com, jayap...@yahoo.com, jayap...@hcl.com, joseph...@yahoo.co.in, ramsan...@hotmail.com Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 7:23 PM

Dear owner/resident friends, I am SundaraRaman,f/o Bharath SundaraRaman. My son & his wife Anusha Santhanam owns flat P5B3C.. We are of the opinion that the builder should be allowed to escape from his commitment of providing SAFE RGC. But safety is very important and cannot be sacrificed. If the builder pleads  his inability,we may permit him to withdraw. Thanking you all, Yours truly, TSR & Family  On Thu, 12/9/10, BellaTuscany Adhoc_Committee <bellatuscany.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: BellaTuscany Adhoc_Committee <bellatuscany.a...@gmail.com> Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

To: bellat...@googlegroups.com, n.nat...@yahoo.com Cc: bella-tuscany-tra...@googlegroups.com, vasudev...@gmail.com, jayap...@yahoo.com, jayap...@hcl.com, joseph...@yahoo.co.in Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 6:54 AM

[balasubramanian.K]

Dear Sirs,

 

If the support on maintaining RGC is withdrawn, in my view,  there is no other alternative but to demand compensation from XS Real and make our own arrangement on the gas cylinder connection.

 

Regards

Balasubramanian.K

P5D4D 

 

 

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Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

[M G MADHU]

Dear Sirs,

There are several RGC running successfully at many apartments in Chennai, and i feel discontinuing is of no option. XS real has to take all out efforts to find details on similar such operations and obtain necessary clearances and safety related issues be sorted out.


Thanks and Regards,

SASIKALA MADHU / M G MADHU
P5D1D

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:24:15 +0530

Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

From: bellatuscany.a...@gmail.com
To: bellat...@googlegroups.com; n.nat...@yahoo.com

CC: bella-tuscany-tra...@googlegroups.com; vasudev...@gmail.com; jayap...@yahoo.com; jayap...@hcl.com; joseph...@yahoo.co.in

[nknathan]

I went thru the Std 162 circulated
by Vasu
I find our installation has foowing
serious deviations
1. No threaded joints are permissible
only brazing / welding to avoid
leakage
2. Shut off valves are required to
be provided at branch off connection
lines In our installation I did not
see SO valve even at main outlet
This is serious violation of safety
requirement to contain gas below
in the event of leakage resulting
in fire hazard
3. Ventillation specn not followed

4. Safety inspection is to be done
every SIX months
5. Automatic Water sprayarrangement
has been recommended for safety
This has not been done
I am sure Vasu will be ae to bring
out other violations
In my opinion it is not reasonably
safe to use the system

Nathan
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<Std-162.pdf>

[rajalakshmi radhakrishnan]

Dear All.

 

I am Rajalakshmi - P5E3B apt owner.

 

This seems to be a grave safety concern and lack of proper handling by X S real , who are responsible for this activity and promotion.

 

XS Real should have analysed all saftety concerns before offering and informing this facility at the time of marketing thier proposal.

 

Let us  take a concerted opinion  and take a call on this with safety as the prime aspect.

 

The alternate of using individual gas cylinders appears to be more safe.

 

Thanks.

 

R.Rajalakshmi.

P5E3B - Bella Tuscany.

13 Dec 2010.

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Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 9:38:46 AM
Subject: Re: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

[Mukund]

Hello everyone,
I find it hard to believe that a reputed builder could have missed such a important parameter. I think we need to impress upon them that it is their reputation at stake.

Many of us have modular kitchens and the concept of cylinder will make the modular kitchen a joke.

I think we need to bring in IOC directly to assess the safety aspects and take a call based on their feedback and not depend on Agni or XS.

After that what ever the majority decide is ok with us.

Mukund
D3A

Warm Regards, Mukund
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Subject: XS Real letter on Reticulated Gas Connection

[Kamalakkannan TV]

Hi all.

 

This convenient stance of XS Real is totally unacceptable to us. As several people have already said, we have not made any arrangement at all for a gas cylinder, relying on the contractual commitment provided by XS Real. If at all there were an issue, they should have made it safer rather than taking refuge under the cover of safety.

 

I'm surpirsed XS Real can stoop so low to wriggle out of their commitment!

 

Kamalakkannan

P5D2B