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Why Does the Science Community Refuse to Admit When They’re Wrong?

AJ, thank you for doing this. Thanks for having me. Um, you become huge for a good reason.

You want to hear my macro explanation for your success? Oh, I honesty is always the fir, you know, that's always and honesty

good BS filter, but you expose the deepest truth of all, I think, which is

there's a lot of stuff we don't know and we pretend to know. we like things are not especially the past is not settled

like at all and there's just a lot that we don't understand and I don't understand why we won't admit we don't

understand it whole parts of science archaeology especially but many others

medicine just won't admit that we don't know what is that I think people don't like to admit when

they're wrong would be my guess um I certainly don't I try to because

I'm wrong a lot I am too um but we admit it And I there's

something about the scientific community that the so-called mainstream that just doesn't want to be wrong. Yes.

Maybe there's a financial aspect to it, grants and so forth. Maybe there's ego involved, but I I I think it's nothing

more than that. It's just it's just a human frailty. It turns you into a liar, though.

It does. You have to like make the decision, is my pride more important or the truth more important? And you have to choose

truth. And I don't think that's common. And if you're if you need a grant from

the government, yeah, you need to put in that grant application what's going to get you paid, what's going to keep your research

going, even if it's not exactly what you believe or what the even what the evidence shows. Yes.

What I don't understand is the extreme hostility against alternate archaeology.

Uh yeah, I of course I agree and I'm I'm hostile to the hostility, but I but I like you, I don't actually

understand what is that. Why would that be why is it the default position of the media that anyone who asks questions

about obvious mysteries is maligned? Like what is that? I don't know. I think

we should as a species be interested in in pursuing things we don't know. Yes.

And be open to any theory. any theory of course. Um,

I mean, Isaac Newton was wrong about so many things, but he he was right for a good a good amount of while.

Exactly. He was wrong about the philosopher stone, but he got some stuff right. But, um, when someone like Graham Hancock,

whose work I admire, I don't agree with all of it, but I admire his tenacity. Oh, yeah. And persistence.

To call him a racist, it was like, you're calling him a racist now. Uh, that was when Ancient Apocalypse

season 1 came out. He became I forget it was in a UK paper. It was the most

dangerous show on television because he was promoting um white supremacy because

these ancient civilizations had to be white, which he never says. He's married

to a woman of color. Um he never says any of that, but that became the narrative that he's a racist. And then

they tried to get that show pulled. What? Yes. But Oh gosh. I didn't I interviewed him

once. I thought it was the most interesting thing I've ever heard. And Huh, that's amazing. But why would why

would you do that? Why would you make up a slur like that to destroy someone

who's studying the you know some events that happened presumably thousands of years ago, the past who's an archaeologist? What why is he a threat

to you? I'm not really sure. Um that's sinister though if you think

about it. It is. Someone like Zahiwas is certainly infamous in Egyptology.

And there was there was one there was one time, I don't remember when it happened,

where Graham was going to debate Z about their theories. Z refused. He walked out

and said, "I don't even want to hear what you have to say." Okay. So, for people who don't, and I

don't want to confuse anyone watching. Um, so let's just start at the beginning. We're talking about Egyptology in the specific case, the

pyramids, the tombs. Um, what do we know about the pyramids? What do we actually know rather than what we've been told,

What Do We Know About the Pyramids and Giants?

but like what can we be certain of? Be certain of. I don't think we can be certain of anything. Like we can't be

certain of when they were built. Some of them we can, but the pyramids are strange because it it seems like the

ones that were built earlier are more perfect than the later pyramids. Huh.

Which suggests that maybe you certainly I subscribe to the theory that the Egyptians did not build like

the the like like kufu. They I think they found that. Um

I think they I think they they found that and then tried to replicate it later on and couldn't quite get it right.

Why don't we know when they were built? Well, you can't really can't carbon date it. But what about the mummies we found

inside all the pyramids? I've never found a mummy in a pyramid. Never. What? No, there's we've never found a

mummy in a pyramid. I thought the mummies were from the pyramids. No, they're not. Um, no mummies been

found in a pyramid. Maybe they were placed in certain structures later on like Valley of the Kings and so forth,

but like the Great Pyramid of Giza, that's no mummy's been found there. There's a there's a giant box in the

king's chamber that's said to be a sarcophagus, but it's not the right shape or size for a mummy.

Huh. So there are no organic objects found in the Great Pyramid, for example, that would suggest when it was built?

No organics? No. Huh. But there are strange things about the

pyramid, like chemical residue at certain at certain openings, shafts that

suggest maybe the pyramid had other uses that that are really not acceptable to mainstream.

Of the objects that have been found in the pyramids in the tombs, are there any that we can't explain? any that we can't

explain? I don't think so. Um, there's a lot of objects that we are not

allowed to see still. Still, sure. I mean,

you look at the Smithsonian, I think, has a billion artifacts. We're not allowed to see hardly any of those. Um,

they kind of just swoop in and just just take those. So, I don't think there's any unexplainable objects.

Can you petition the Smithsonian to see artifacts? Sure, you can.

And but you're not going to be able to do that. Smithsonian is a weird organization. Um

throughout throughout the history of the organization, we have records of them receiving bones of giants and and

artifacts that that are kind of hard to explain. We have records of them receiving it, but then they lose them or

they deny ever having them. And the Smithsonian, which is a government

institution, is exempt from a lot of law. Like not

too long ago, a law was passed that if any museums are in possession of

tribal, like Native American artifacts, specifically funeral artifacts, they're

to be returned to the tribes. Bones. Yeah. Bone. Anything. Anything except the Smithsonian. They don't have to do that.

May May I ask? Okay. So, couple things, but I just I don't want this to slip by. So, you're referring to the claim

um that the Nephilim as described in Genesis 6, this race of giant people who were a hybrid between the spirit world

and the human world, and they're the reason that God sent the flood. This is all described in Genesis. They were

giants. They were great men of old, I think, is the phrase. The claim from some people is that was

that's actually real. And the fossil record proves it's real because giant bones, human bones, have been found

through the years and that some or a lot of them wound up in the Smithsonian where their existence was suppressed.

Yes. And you're saying there's actually documentary evidence that that may be

true. Yes. There's document documentary evidence that the the Smithsonian has received bones and large coffins from

not that long ago. We're talking maybe the 50s or 60s and as recently as the 80s people have been trying to get

access to this information but it's they're stonewalled or they just don't have it. And there was one case where

the Smithsonian said we yes we did receive the bones but we don't know where they are. And well if you received

human bones that were larger than any human bones ever described in literature ever other than Genesis 6 kind of a big

story right? Yeah. Yeah. And you see that story repeated over and over again, especially

in America for hundreds of years. Even native tribes have stories about giants

have having wars with giants, driving giants across the country to um the

famous one is the Lovelock cave, which is in California. These are the redheaded giants and red hair has been

found in that cave and giant sandals and clothing that is enormous actually.

Yes. um on display, but it's always an explanation. Oh, it's, you know, it's

it's symbolic. It's allegory or whatever it is. But that's not what the native people say. They say that this was a

cannibalistic tribe that they cornered in a cave and sealed it and set it set

them on fire essentially. And if you go to that cave, there is residue of the fire. Um, there was one tribal leader

who wore strands of red hair in her clothing for years. That good look her

up. She's pretty famous. So what? And this is pre Columbus's

landing. That um that incident

maybe, maybe not. It would be hard to hard to say. It's just hard to see why redheaded people would be on the North American

continent. You mean talking about like Neanderthal DNA? Yeah. I mean, why would they be redheaded? Like, none of the people we

believe lived on this continent before the Europeans arrived were redheaded. They were all darkhaired. True. But if it's giants, then this is

DNA that's a little different than ours. So maybe that's what they were. Has this ever been tested by anybody?

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So, I guess this is the macro question, just to circle back to the first exchange. Why would the US government

Why Would the U.S. Government Suppress the Truth About Giants?

have an interest, clearly they do, in suppressing this and waving people off?

Boy, I hate to say I don't know, so many times, but I I I really don't. Um, you

know, there's a famous story about uh connected to giants about GE Concincaid who explored the Grand Canyon. This is

the early 1900s, I think like 1908, 1909. and his story ended up in the

Arizona Gazette where he was uh kind of rowing down the Colorado River and he

finds these steps that go into a hole in the side of the canyon and he goes and he explores it and he's kind of mapping

it and inside he finds basically the remains of an ancient city, artifacts, a

giant statue that kind of looks like Buddha but but not quite, hieroglyphics that kind of look Egyptian but not

quite. and he comes out and he's um putting together an expedition and when it's

time to go back and explore he never shows up. And that story was in the papers. What bothers me about that one,

it's it's one of the mysteries I that I really wish I knew is that you can find

you can find that opening in the Grand Canyon and it's covered with an iron gate and above that area of the canyon

is a no-go zone. You cannot go there. You can't walk there, but some people

have. Some people have. And you can see embedded into the top of the cliff

there, iron hooks and equipment that would be used maybe to repel down the

side of the cliff. But when you do go there, suddenly white planes will

appear. And you can't fly over the Grand Canyon. But these white unmarked planes can't fly over the Grand Canyon. No. And black helicopters will appear.

And you can't do that over the Grand Canyon. You can you can see this episode on my

channel um where I linked to the full video of these people going up there and there are the helicopters and there's

the plane and eventually they're park rangers or whatever throw them off

the property. That bothers me. You think? And nobody will tell us why.

So, not I've never heard any of that before, but um as a general matter, there's very clearly a coordinated

long-standing effort by the US government, specifically US government, to bat away speculation about the past.

Yes. And to shut down any thinking about whether or not the things we're looking

at could be supernatural in any way. They're all natural phenomenon. That's that's what we know. But anything that

suggests like supernatural is just ruthlessly put down. I wouldn't see giants as supernatural.

I that's that's a that's a that's an animal. That's a creature. That's a mammal. That's right.

So I don't know why that is so dangerous. I don't I don't either. I mean, but that's kind of the question. Like you

see the truth in the reaction, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like why why would you why do you care? Right. For how long, you know, how long

were the Clovis people were the first people in America and that was if you said that anyone was here before them,

you were ridiculed. But we keep finding artifacts that are older and older and thousands of years older.

And of course, nobody from the Pacific could have made it to the Americas that

long ago. But that's been proven that tribes in East Ecuador on the Atlantic

side have DNA from Polynesian people that goes back thousands of years. So

there has been contact of civilizations going back as far as we can remember

clearly and we know that from sacred art ancient art on you know five different

continents we see the same images the birdman the purse yes so I mean I think you've done work

on this and it's like what is the explanation for that how could people living on separate continents before

transatlantic communication come up with precisely the same images clearly

they're responding to something They're all seeing what they must be communicating. So what what is that?

The birdman, for example, this image which is throughout Latin and North America, also Europe, also Africa, also

the Near East, also the Far East. It's a sacred image carved on walls on pottery

of a birdfaced man with wings. What is that? How they all think of

that? Easter Island. Easter Island is Yeah. is also very, very strange. Um, the Birdman, I think.

Boy, I can get really woo woo with this. It could be a metaphor for a sky god. It

could be or an angel or or an angel. Looks a lot like the angels described in the Old Testament. Just saying.

It it does. And um there are plenty of passages in both old and new testament

and even in in apocryphal works like book of Enoch where describing angels

but describing them a way that sound kind of like the birdman or sound almost like an alien entity. Um I think it was

maybe the book of Daniel describes a man who's who's glowing with topaz

and um I think Elijah was taken up to heaven. um no one's allowed to mortally

go to heaven, but he was taken and shown. And Ezekiel talks all about visions of this futuristic city that he

thought was going to be a new temple of Solomon, but it sounds like a city. And

in uh that's after he describes UFOs as wheels in the sky and all that. Those are the wheel, but that shows up

over and over again. And Enoch is also taken up by Uriel and shown how the

winds are made. and he describes the heavens in in ways that we're not supposed to know at that time. So

there's some there's something to it. Um all religions have these. If the Vetic

texts have very similar stories to these where um Arjuna goes up and sees the

heavens and sees these flying vehicles that were called vammana that vom are described in such detail that they

describe the technology of how they worked with rotating mercury and and and engineering specifications in texts that

are the thousand BC. Same with Buddhist, Hindu. It's all all very similar

stories. Coming back to the pyramids. Yes. Um so we don't know when they were

How Were the Pyramids Built?

built. We cuz how could we know? But the Egyptian government and the

archaeological community is totally vested in telling us they know exactly when these were built. But in point of fact, we don't know and can't know. No

mummies have been found in the pyramids. I didn't know that till you told me. But critically from my perspective was like

how were they built? Do we know? We don't really know. uh the the conventional story is ramps and pulleys,

right? But I you know I think it's been mathematically shown that the the amount

of ramps and pulleys and equipment that you would need to build the pyramids would exceed the weight of the pyramids

themselves. I mean, how long will the ramp have to be to go up? I mean, it it just doesn't make any sense. Um no one

can really explain it. and the precision of of how these stones were cut. We can

only barely match it now. And this is this is supposed to be bronze bronze

age. Yes. Done with bronze soft metal. Soft metal cutting the hardest granite

in the world. Um it defies explanation, but that's the

explanation. And why why is the pyramid made of all these different materials? Why not just make it out of out of the

whatever sandstone you have lying around? Why why bring in tour limestone? Why use rose granite in certain places?

I didn't know that. Well, rose granite is is very special because it's highly poolectric, meaning

if you apply pressure to it, it creates voltage. So, that's one of the theories about the pyramid is the the grand

gallery leading up to the king's chamber is lined with rose granite. You don't see it anywhere else in the pyramid. So

that's highly conductive. Um the exterior of the pyramid was covered in tour limestone which is um an insulator.

So you you have this structure that's almost designed like an electricity generator and then you have the queen's

chamber and some other shafts where there's chemical residue that when combined create an enormous amount of

hydrogen gas that then flows up through the Grand Gallery um expands, creates

electricity with this rose granite which ionizes the air. And then at the time

there were these slats, 24 slats of wood that would create sound and which would

amplify. And what's strange is leading from the Grand Gallery into the King's Chamber is a is a small hole. I forget

what it was. Maybe it's 6 3x six. It just happens to be the right size to be a wave guide for hydrogen atoms. So

those flow then into the king's chamber and this resonates at a at a frequency. I think it's 440 hertz, but it's it's

like a an F sharp. And then and then above the king's chamber is a stone

called a relieving stone. And this is said to help relieve the pressure coming

from the top of the pyramid. The thing is, it doesn't connect to anything. It's perfectly flat on the bottom, but it's

chipped on the top almost as if someone was tuning chipping away almost like a

tuning fork to get the right frequency. Now, I'm not saying that's what it is. saying there's a lot of science there

that makes you wonder why did why go through all this trouble for a tomb and there's no writing in there.

There's no writing in the great No, there's no there's no there's no writing in there. Um there was some

writing found in expedition I think it was in the 80s

where a robot was sent in. They found a door with copper handles which are not

supposed to be there. the other side of the door were it looked like hieroglyphics but they were not. Um and

that eventually was suppressed and the explanation was well that was like the signature of the masons who built it or

something like that. Well, let's have a look at that footage. Well, you can't really get a hold of that.

What? So, I there's all these strange things about the pyramid that that we just can't go. We can't dig. I don't

know if you saw my episode on the on the labyrinth at Hara, but it's that one really bothers me because that that's an

ancient legend that goes back to Heroditus and even before talked about this this labyrinth in Haru. It's about

50 mi from Cairo. That this labyrinth was was enormous, a

thousand 3,000 rooms. And um and the priest said this was built by the ancients, the ancient kings. Oh, you

mean the pharaohs? And they said, "No, no, the ones the ones before from Zeppi, which was the first time." Well, the the

labyrinth was talked about by Heroditus, by by Plenny, by by Strao, by all these

famous historians. It's there. It's there. It's there. It's it's bustling and eventually just sort of disappears

from history and becomes a legend. Well, it gets rediscovered at the early like

late 19th century and during the colonial period. Yes. But we're not allowed to dig or go

down there. But recent technology like ground penetrating radar, LAR from space shows

that there's stuff down there. Um, the explorer who found it thought he found

the foundation of the labyrinth and was very excited about it. It turned out what he found was the roof. So the liar

is showing these giant spaces underneath the ground that are feet thick of heavy

granite with all these spaces in between. And in the center of this giant

atrium is a 150 ft metallic ring that

nobody can explain. And boy, I'd like to I'd like permission to dig or see what's

down there. And the tragedy is the water table is eroding all of that away. And

geologists are saying, "Look, we have to do we have to preserve this because this is going to be gone in a 100 years, 200

years. We can't stop that." The answer is no. Can't dig. We're not going to

prevent the water from eroding it. Leave it be. The incuriosity about the monuments,

ancient monuments in Egypt, is pretty shocking. I mean, it was only when the French showed up briefly that we got the

Rosetta Stone and figured out what hieroglyphics were. And it was only under the British that any of this was excavated. Howard Carter was British who

found King Tut's tomb. It's like and then the Brits leave after the Second

World War and it's like not really a huge effort to find out anything else. Like what is that? I is it Egyptian

national pride? I I I don't I don't know. These things are are more important than any nation.

Of course. So I I I don't know. But do you think the Egyptian government, which is the

Has the Egyptian Government Covered up Information About Its Monuments?

second largest recipient of US aid, maybe that's related in some way, has actively covered up information about

its monuments? Yes. I mean, we have evidence of it. Um, tell me. Uh, there's I think I think it was

called the tomb of the birds was discovered not too long ago. I I forgot the scientist. I wish I remembered his name, but I recently did an episode on

him. I just discovered this this ancient tomb, this these caverns in in Egypt.

And there I mean it's it's sprawling and it's clearly man-made and there's there's artifacts and there's there's

writing there's all these kinds of things and he does the right thing and reports it to the authorities. Well, he's banned from the country and uh

what yeah thrown out he's banned from the country can no longer do any research and Zahwas says oh he always knew that

was there and um who who did you refer to? Zahwas. Zahwas. Once again, um he was in he was

the his title was something like this the supreme leader of the the Council of

Egyptian Antiquities. Some crazy title. And he's he's still running interference. He's supposedly retired

but still runs interference. And there's video of him repelling down into the caves kind of exploring them saying,

"Look at what I have discovered." So what do you think the motive is there?

Some of that is ego. Um, I don't know the the deeper political motives. I really don't know whether

it's Egypt or our government. I I don't know. But I but it bothers me.

So, what do you think? Um, since we don't know anything like the basic questions, if this were we were writing

a police report, we'd have to leave every line blank cuz we just don't know. When was it built? Who built it? How did

they build it? Unknown. Unknown. Unknown. So, since you know a great deal about

this topic, hypothesize for a minute. What do you think this is?

I think the clearest evidence comes from um maybe Robert Shock's work and John Anthony West and certainly Randall

Carlson at the erosion patterns at the base of the Sphinx. You've heard about this. Yes. Yes. Which clearly shows

water and and a lot of it a lot of water moving at high speed for a long time

which would indicate a great flood. And I think all of these stories kind of go

back to the one the story which is the story of the great flood that probably

connects to the end of the younger dry whether that's the Greenland impact theory or a solar event or whatever it

is. Something happened that caused worldwide floods

and eroded that sphinx which means it was there 13,500 years ago or older.

These would be the floods that the the Old Testament says were sent to eliminate the Nephilim.

Correct. Um or there's another story of Napishim. I don't know if you know him from he's from Gilgamesh. And his story

goes like this. Um one of the gods Anki who is u you may know as an Anunnaki

god. Anki tells Pishnam, "A flood is coming to reset mankind. I want you to

build a boat and here are the specifications. Take your family on the boat. take the animals on the boat. The

floods come. He's saved. He releases a dove and a raven. He finds land. He

lands on a mountain. He offers a sacrifice. And he's granted immortality

with God. And that story sounds awfully familiar. It does indeed.

And tell me again, where is this story? That's in Gilgamesh. Oh, that's in Gilgamesh. How did I miss

that? It's because it's a small part of it. You know, Gilgam, it's Gilgish is a heroic epic. This is, you know, a side

story, but it's interesting that it's it's telling the story of Noah. It right down to the dove and the raven.

That's wild. The only thing different is I think they're reversed. And I think um the dove comes back with the olive branch or

Is There Physical Evidence of a Great Flood?

something in Noah's. Is there physical evidence around the world of of a great flood? Yes, all over the place. Um,

uh, Carlson's work is fascinating about the erosion patterns all across Africa

that show the if you look at it from high in the sky, it looks like these kind of just

waves across the landscape, but these waves are 30 ft high. So these are this

is threetory buildings indicating an immense amount of water, millions and

millions of gallons of water per second just rushing across the landscape. And we see that across across Africa, a

desert. What about in the continental United States?

Not as much. I, you know, I could be wrong about that because because the ice sheets would have come from the North

American continent. So, how they get to Africa, I'm not exactly sure. Um,

but we certainly have evidence of of the glaciers moving and and retreating very quickly in the United States. I mean,

that's how Long Island was made. other parts of course I mean the whole country was was sculpted by them not that long ago

Maine was covered them 11,000 years ago right it's like yesterday right the pyramids were there they were there

I mean gocly is another thing that we can't explicit go is pre flood this is a

pre-duvian structure not supposed to happen where is it in Turkey that's that's where all the

good stuff is in in Turkey um tell tell us what that is

an ancient site. It's about 13,000 years old. Could be wrong on the date, but I'm pretty close. And um it it's it's

pillars arranged in that align with astrological formations that align with the seasons. They're carved with

intricate designs, animals, writing, all kinds of stuff. And we're not supposed

to have we're supposed to be hunter gatherers with, you know, with spears and buffalo at this point, not building

these immense structures. And what's really strange about Quebec is Not hunter gatherer behavior. No, it is not. That's very sophisticated

behavior. It appears that it was buried intentionally. I can't explain why, but

maybe it was someone knew something was coming and we need to protect this site, but that's very strange. That's not even

the oldest structure we found. Karan is even older than Quebec. So, how well

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Ancient Civilizations and Their Advanced Technology

the first thing I think you just have to admit to yourself is the descriptions of the societies that created these are

just completely false. Like this is not hunter gatherer, primitive agrarian,

whatever they're telling you people had for civilizations 13,000 years ago is just not true. Cuz if you're if you're

cutting stone with that level of precision, barely achievable now.

We don't understand your technology very well. Right. Certainly not. Cuz you look at Stonehenge, which came thousands of

years later. It's an amazing place, but it's stones in a circle. Yeah. Now they

they're aligned perfectly and all of that. It's it's it's certainly a wonder of the world, but if you look at

Stonehenge compared to go back, it's Stonehenge looks it's almost like kids

made this with with clay. Go back is a work of art. It's unbelievable.

Petra in Jordan. Yes. You know, it's miles down a wadi down a box canyon and totally

inhospitable. You get to the end of the box canyon and there's this like most evolved intricate series of buildings

carved into the cliffsides. It's like there's no there's not a stonemason on planet Earth right now who could do that. That's right.

Period. It's like what's that? Who did that? And they're like, "Oh, well, you know, our ancestors did it. How' they do

that?" Oh, I with sandpaper or something. Slaves. I No, that's not true. No, that's not that's not how it

happened. So as you push forward a little bit on this stuff, you get to the question of

technology. Like what was the technology that built all this stuff? It wasn't bronze hands tool hand tools.

No. Um they will say that it was they poured water or sand over the stone and

used some type of mechanism to grind it away. They did it with abrasives. With abrasives, but there's there's no

evidence of that. These these stones are polished. They're immaculate.

Some of the stones inside the structures are polished so well that they're like mirrors.

So abrasives can't do that. I mean, I've seen them and I I I it just I but I was lulled to sleep by the lies

that like, you know, it's just incredible. It's like how many man-hour would that take, right? About a billion, right? Like it just

didn't happen that way. So do we have is there any hint as to what the technology was that these civilizations

only only legends there are legends of acoustic levitation

um that are found in a lot of different cultures. What's acoustic levitation? specifically Buddhist. Um there's there was even a a

British scientist who's allegedly filmed this where Buddhists would

sing and play instruments at a certain frequency that would cause objects to levitate. And that's part of the legend

of how these megaliths were built was some type of sound waves allowed them to

lift these objects and place them perfectly into place. What's a megalith? A giant stone.

Giant stone. So there are giant stones around the world that are so large. Again, there's no modern stone cutting

that produces stones that big. There is not. There's nothing. Go to New York Public Library or whatever granite building you

think is impressive and it's nothing compared to these stones, right? And you can you can pick at the mortar between those bricks and they're

kind of it's kind of slipshot compared to the things that were, you know, made thousands of years ago.

So, I'm just saying the same thing over and over, but like how could you not look at that and ask questions? I you know, why is Atlantis such a taboo

subject with science? It's a because I think it goes back to the same thing. We're talking about a

So, what what is Atlantis? What do we know about I mean Atlantis is like a by word for conspiracy theory, but like what actually is it?

Um, we first learned about Atlantis from Plato who uh talked about in his dialogues. Was he a conspiracy theorist? Do you

think? Yes, I think so. I think so. People call him a whack job. Um, and Plato described in in the

dialogues for Plato dialogues just he he plays characters called that.

So in I think it's Cretaceous he talks about hearing the story from Solon who

was like his great great uncle who heard a story from an Egyptian priest about this ancient land beyond the arms of

Hercules which people think is probably the rock of Jialter and it's a large continent larger than India and it's

it's populated by advanced people and there's a cataclysm and it goes

underwater and he describes concentric ring things and waterways and all this

technology if you want to call it that. And what's interesting about Atlantis and a lot of people don't talk about

this is in um in Cretaceous 2 which is which is which is Plato's telling of it.

He's writing about Atlantis and he stops mid-sentence and that's the end of it. There's no

more there's no more writing about Atlantis. So that's that's the earliest story we have of it. And there are

strange structures around the world that could indicate maybe Atlantis. Um the eye of the Sahara is a very interesting

structure. I don't think that's it. Um it's also called the Rishot structure. I don't know if you've seen this. It's in

it's in Western Africa. If you look at it, it's concentric rings. Is it underwater? No. And it's a concentric rings and it

looks like it fits the description. Now, someone like Randle Carlson, who's a

paleo hydraologist, which I learned was a thing, uh, says it's not, and I tend

to believe him because it's it's bu built more like a dome and, uh, it's been above water for millions of years,

so it's probably not it, but it's worth looking at. But there are places like Biminy Road,

which are very hard to explain. That's in the Bahamas. That's it's long. it.

These are right angles that are submerged underwater. There's something that looks like a a city buried under

Cuba that's definitely been there for 20,000 years. Underwater.

And the Yanuguni Monument off of Japan. We've got these giant amazing thing. These are all right angles

in shallow water. Yes. In shallow water. It's like an underwater temple off Japan and like 12 ft of water.

You can dive it. Yeah. But no, but it's if you start talking about these things, you're you're you're

a cook. And that Well, it's on video and you can watch it. And and the official position, correct me please if I'm wrong, but the

official position of the Japanese government is rock formations. Yes. Rock. That's it. It rock formations. Natural.

No. No. No. Like it's this elaborate non-natural for non-random

building. I'll give you one right angle. I I'll let you have one right angle. I won't let you have two. I can't.

Two. Well, there are a lot, but there's a lot. And this was discovered pretty recently by like fishermen or something.

Yes, it was. Wow. It's just absolutely amazing. Um,

okay. So, here's what we've established. We've established that the our view of the of prehistory is completely just

wrong because the physical remains of these civilizations prove our theories

wrong. This couldn't happen. We know that world governments, not simply ours, but others, Japanese in this case, seem

to be very committed to stopping questions about this, halting curiosity,

shaming people, maybe worse. Um, so is it fair to say that there were

civilizations as in some ways as advanced as ours tens of thousands of years ago?

I can't make that leap. I'd like to, but I can't make that leap because I I feel like there would be evidence of that.

And um I think this is where Graham Hancock gets criticized unfairly because he's never

said that there's been you know Atlanteanss with flying ships or anything like that. All he said is we we

may have been more advanced than we've been led to believe and it deserves some more explanation. That's obviously true. I mean like it's not a linear progression. So like the

history that I learned always interested in history is that you had this kind of flowering civilization in the west. China's difference in the west centered

at Athens and then Rome and then Rome fell in the fifth century

and you had this thing called the dark ages where we stopped building aqueducts and steam baths and then it reemerged

during the renaissance. But basically it was like a linear progression from the caves to the moonshot. You know, just

like technology building on itself, human civilization becoming ever more complex

and but it was in a straight line. That's just clearly not true. No. And certainly not in Egypt where we have

basically nothing and then suddenly we have hieroglyphics and astronomy and all and mathematics. Everybody knows the

Pythagorean theorem. Everybody knows that. Pythagoras learned that in Egypt. That's he's he's credited with that. But

that's Egyptian library. That's correct. Yes. So um

which leads us back to Aristotle which back to Plato just to be clear the current occupants

of Egypt the Egyptians are not I don't think related to the ancient Egyptians. Is that fair to say?

I I I think it I think they are. They are. I I I think genetically certainly they are. I don't know why I thought that

maybe speaking of Greece. Um, okay. But

civilization can certainly go backward, like much farther backward than medieval Europe went from Rome.

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The Chambers Under the Great Pyramid of Giza and Ancient Egyptian Discoveries

ground penetrating radar has been applied recently to the Great Pyramid. Yes. I think from an airplane, but maybe

that's wrong. Uh, and satellite. Satellite. Okay. And the headline for

like one day was, "Holy smokes, massive chambers discovered under Great Pyramid of Giza."

Is what is that? Is that real? I I'm I'm skeptical of it. I'm hopeful,

but I'm skeptical. That Italian group has not been peer-reviewed as of yet. Um, I think they're seeking it.

So, I don't, you know, it be it's kind of one of those clickbait stories where they when

you actually see the images, it's really just color colored stripes, but then when it lands in the news, it's these

pillars with with spirals and all this magical stuff. That's that's not what I see in in in

the in the data, but, you know, maybe it is there. Um, we know that the the Great Pyramid has strange properties. We know

that there's there is space down there. Un space all underneath the plateau.

We know that. We know that for sure. Um, are these natural caverns? I No, I don't think so. Um, you know,

there's been there's been legends about the the the chambers under the Sphinx

that go back a long time. And you know, if you want to get very woo woo about it, there's been psychics who've

explored that. Someone like Ed Edgar Casey, who's a famous psychic, who said that's where the Hall of Records is

stored, which is interesting because that connects back to the labyrinth

as well, which is which some people think could be the actual Hall of Records. Um,

but I mean, I I'll tell you a very strange story about Dorothy Edy, if you have a moment. I do have a moment and I love strange

stories. Dorothy Edi was um she's born early early 1900s in in England. She

she's a troubled child. She's unhappy all the time. She's taken to the British

Museum when she's 3 or four years old and she they go to the Egyptian section. She suddenly lights up and she um she

runs over to the the mummy of I think it's Ramsay's and she says, "I know

him." And they think she's a wacky kid.

She's still she's still kind of despondent. She gets a a book from her dad about ancient Egypt and she's going

through it and she says she recognizes all these places, Temple of Si and and Abbidos, all these things and she starts

studying at the British Museum and for some reason she takes the hieroglyphics very very quickly and ancient languages

very very quickly. She claims that she's a reincarnated Egyptian priestess that

worked in that worked and lived in in Abidos, you know, thousands of during the fourth dynasty, something like that.

She eventually goes over to Egypt and she shows up and she's she says,

"I'm reincarnated Egyptian person." Of course you are. Um

I she can prove it. They take her to these tombs or underground chambers and

they say, "All right, show us around." and she says, "Let's go." And she says, "This is where the gardens were. This is where the fountain was. This is where

this was." And she she's so good at this that that the Egyptians authorities take

her on staff with antiquities. And she's able to describe and detail all of these

ancient places that nobody knows anything about. This is a reincarnation story. Yet, she is embedded in the

scientific community. She is invaluable to Egyptian research. So much so that at

at that time you had you were forced to retire at age 65. And this is a woman by the way working in the 50s and 60s in

Egypt. She's allowed to stay on until she wants to retire because she's invaluable to the research. She says

that underneath the the Sphinx is where we're going to find all sorts of of

tombs and and artifacts of Nefertiti and all these all these famous people. She says they're down there.

I don't know, but her story is very compelling to me. All right. Well, so I mean this is like one of these speculations you could

probably prove if you tried. Yes. But we we lack the technology to

dig now or can't dig. But we certainly have ground penetrating radar.

Yes. Presumably if that was employed by the Egyptian authorities, you know, over time you could get a pretty detailed

picture of what's underneath. No. Well, like with Hara, their labyrinth, they

didn't seek permission to scan it. They just did. The permission has to come. Would you, but you still have to get

your hands in the dirt. So, we can scan all we want, but unless permission is granted to dig, we're just not going to

know. And what would be the the rationale for not allowing people to pursue their curiosity and science and all that?

Like, again, I don't know. With the Hir Labyrinth, the the excuse is if we

disrupt the site, then there's um there's a canal there, it will disrupt the local agriculture, which is very

important to that region. So, we can't disrupt the farm the farmers. Okay,

that's that's that's the reason pyramids. Why we can't dig, I don't know. But we

shouldn't we should also acknowledge that there is exploration happening. I

mean, um, I think Pharaoh Tutmas II was just discovered with a few weeks ago in the Valley of the Kings. So, people are

looking. I just I don't think they're looking exactly in the right places. There was a disc found in a tomb in

Egypt maybe a hundred years ago. Um, that looks to be it's made out of basalt. It's made out of stone. Uh, but

it looks it's the most modern thing you've ever seen. And I would encourage people to look it up. If you're on your phone right now, we'll just look up

Egyptian tomb disc. And it looks like an impeller maybe in a motor, an electric

motor. But clearly that was not created by a primitive civilization.

No, it's the most precisely. First of all, how do you machine basalt? Okay, it's not handcarved obviously. Look at

it. What's the explanation for that? I I don't think there is one. I don't think there is one. I would like to know

how they carve that. Basalt would be lava rock, ignous rock. The hardest rock on Earth. I I don't

Oh, is it the hardest? I'm the Well, it's not like diamond, but you copper is not going to get through

that. Yeah. And it's so precise. It's perfect. It's It's perfect. It's perfect.

And it You look at it for about 15 seconds, you're like, "No, no, no. Ancient culture did not make that." At least the ancient cultures that have

been described to me, not just the machining, but the the mathematics. I mean, it's perfect. Well, that's a good point. The design.

Mhm. Huh. Okay. Um, so do we have any hint of

the energy? So clearly the missing piece here is energy. The these the megaliths including the

ones in the United States, the massive structures in the American Midwest and in Florida, earth and earthworks,

these are not buil just the math doesn't work on the number of manh hours required to build any of this stuff. a

lot of the temples in Latin America, Anchor Watt, like clearly it's not just

somebody with a bronze knife making this stuff. It's not. Namadal is another one with these that's uh that's Polynesia also,

but these the tons these these they look almost look like Lincoln logs, but

they're 10 20 tons. They're they're huge. No one knows how they could have been put into place. And um

they still stand. They still stand. We don't know when they were built or how long ago, but if you look at it from the air, you can see

they had a sewer system. They devised a way to get fresh water through this whole society, but nobody knows who

built this. Why? Or or why. The why could just be we live here. We

What's interesting is sewer system, fresh water. And so this is a long time

before Roman aqueducts. Yes. But there they are. So what what the

explanation lacks is a is an energy source. It's not just biceps. And does has anyone put forward a like a

reasonable hypothesis on that? I mean it depends how you define reasonable.

Of course it does. Plausible I guess is what I would say. Plausible. Not nothing that satisfies

me. I the copper doesn't work. The abrasives don't work for me. Acoustic levitation I like, but it's that's

really hard to prove it. I'm Acoustic levitation is a thing. You can levitate things with sound. That's that is

proven. Giant stones, we we can't do that. But just because we can't doesn't

mean someone else could. Are you sure we can't? I guess another way of another way of

putting it would be, are you convinced that the US government is totally transparent about energy?

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No. No. I think they're totally opaque about energy. Really totally. Oh yes. Um I think the US government

probably has unlocked 0 point or close to zero point

energy which would be pulling energy out of the vacuum. Um we have inventors that

have done that over and over and over. Uh and making energy apparently nothing.

Well, we can start with there was someone there's a man named Charles Pogue who in the 30s tinkered with his

carburetor and was able to get 200 miles a gallon. It was proven this it was

engineers investigated scientists totally proven. Um it worked he was going to be a zillionaire. Whatever he's

going to transform society and um the problem was once the news of his engine

got out uh the oil stocks crashed. They just crashed. So the oil industry

lobbyed the US government. We have to do something about this. And in 1951, the invention secrecy act was passed. So now

if you patent any device that is more than 20% efficient, that's instantly

classified. That's that is now a state secret. It's it's vital to national security. You

can't talk about it. You can't um build it. And you can't sell it unless you

sell it to the US military. you cannot do it. Um, that went on for a while. Then there was

a man named Tom Ogle and Tom is the se this is the 70s now.

He accidentally rewires his lawnmower engine to take the

exhaust and pump it back into the carburetor. And this thing runs on a gallon of gas for 78 hours or something

like that. So he can reconfigures his car. It's like a 1976 Ford Galaxy, you know, like a boat. And he's getting 200

miles to the gallon on the thing. He's offered a billion dollars from an oil producing country. Shell Oil offers him

$25 million for the patent that he considers, but they're going to shove it. So, he says no. Um,

it's considered, you know, maybe one of the biggest inventions of the century.

Suddenly, Tom, without a history of drug use, stumbles out of a bar. He's drunk

and he's he's killed and that's the end of Tom Ogle's story and that

all disappears. All that research goes away and this repeats over and over and over again till we get to Stanley Meyer

and you might remember Stanley Meyer and the water car cuz this goes this is 1990s now. So

now we have a vehicle that doesn't even we're not even talking about fossil fuels and protecting a multi- trillion dollar industry. We've got a car that

runs on water using um electrolysis, which has been around since the 1700s.

But electrolysis requires a lot of energy and perfect water without impurities. But Stanley's figured out how to take tap water, put it into his

car, and run his car on water. And what it does is splits the water into hydrogen. Oxygen runs on hydrogen.

Hydrogen is a fuel. It works. And it works. And he drives it all over the place. It's all over the news. Engineers

look at it. They say, "This is the invention of the century. This changes everything." He's offered a billion

dollars and millions of dollars and everyone wants his engine and um

he's sitting at I think he sitting at a Cracker Barrel with his brother and some investors and they raise a glass of

toast new investment and go into the future and um

they take their toast and Stanley suddenly doesn't feel well. He runs outside. He starts vomiting. His brother

chases after him and says, "What's going on?" and his and and Stanley says they poisoned me and he dies. And in the

medical examiner's report, it says he died of an aneurysm. But if you read the report, you can tell the medical examiner didn't really like that cuz he

wrote some other stuff like, "Oh, he said he was poison, but toxicology doesn't really show it." But but it says he died of an aneurysm and that

technology is now gone. the the patent's useless because Stanley faked the numbers because he didn't trust the

government because he had another invention that most people don't know about before his water car, which was

this tooid ring. A toroid is a donut. This donut-shaped ring that he invented that

created energy out of nothing and levitated, but he patented it. It got

and and he got hit with a secrecy act and they made his life miserable. But people started to learn about that

and that brings us there there are other inventors in between T. Tom and T. Toms

and Brown Towns and Brown in invents this anti-gravity technology. He runs into all kinds of bad luck. All these

men have their research stolen. They're broken into. They're they're carrying guns. They're threatened. They're

they're disappearing. It happens over and over and over again. I have an episode on this. It's very sad. And um

we get to Floyd suite, Floyd Sparky Suite, who's he's my favorite because

his inventions, he videotaped all of his stuff. And you see him in his workshop.

And Sparky, he's an engineer. This is this is a he's a garage tinkerer, but he's he's an engineer. And this was

supervised by the military physicist. Maybe it was a mistake. And you see him running a fan at high RPMs. And then

he's got light bulbs. all this energy and it's all running off this little box

the size of a deck of cards and he puts in 03 mwatts and he gets out all the

watts you want. It's a device that no matter what you attach to it, it just

whatever the need is, it will give you the energy. This is Sparky Suite.

This actually connects to UFO technology. I don't know if we'll go there, but but it does connect. So Sparky's got this invention. He gets

some help from military physicist. Gets a visit late one night. Two men in

suits. Come talk to him, say good night. He has a heart attack. Ambulance comes.

They they grab Sparky. The wife is not allowed in the ambulance. He dies. Uh

soon after a couple of black vans pull up. They take all his stuff, all his notes, every piece of equipment, and it

just disappears. And that's the last we hear of it. About when was this? I would say this is

late 90s. I mean Stanley Meyer was 1998. So this is recently.

Recently. Yeah. So he may even be more recent than that. Is there evidence the US government is

using any of this technology hyperefficient, you know, anti-gravity, levitation, any

of the stuff in like military technology? I mean you can argue that the go fast video, the tic tac, some of these could

be that. I tend to think they are. So, there was a kind of tanalyzing um almost kind of

shocking admission the other day from the US government that during the Maduro snatch operation in

Caracus on January 3rd that the US military used apparently used directed energy weapons. I don't know that

anyone's ever said out loud I don't know if they said it out loud but it was I

mean it was obvious that's what it was that they were have been very interested in those since Tesla's research. So te

tell us what they are. Directed energy weapons and with with Tesla he had a few different versions about ionizing air

and and projecting electricity through the air. He had a few different ways of doing it. And I don't have the science

background to explain specifically what it is. But directed energy is just that you take like a laser is would be a

directed energy but using it as a weapon. And Tesla was working on that

technology. But what what he wanted to do was create free energy for the world. which turned out to be a problem for him

and that's another story. But when he died, um so he died, I think it was January 7th, 1943, the FBI was there.

They would they were like on top of it. Um they came way too fast and all his

research 60 boxes were confiscated by the Office of Alien Property, which

has nothing to do with extraterrestrials. It's about all his valiant property because he's he's not a

US born. So they come and take his research although he was a citizen since I don't know the the 1800s. He'd have

been a citizen 50 years. So they seize his property and they send it to a Wright Patterson Air Force Base for uh a

scientist named John Trump to investigate Tesla's research specifically looking

later an MIT professor. Yes. And later an uncle of a president and they're specifically looking for de

for DEWs. That's the technology they want. They finally return Tesla's boxes to Wait, are you sure it was John Trump who

received Tesla's effects? Yes. That's That's documented.

Um what's actually Yes. But what's you know, for a country of hundreds of

millions of people, we have these weird coincidences a lot. Isn't it strange? And the same families show up over and over.

It's probably not the episode to get into the Bush family, but boy, I'd love to one day. Um we'll do an episode on them. Uh, I don't talk about the Bushes

or the Clintons on my show or MSAD. Um, I I think you're a wise man. It's

so the boxes wild. I've talked to Trump about his uncle like 20 times. He's very proud of his uncle.

The last point on that? Yeah. 20 boxes are missing and we don't know where they are. That

that that's the last point on that. We don't know where the boxes are. But you're sure it was the same John Trump that the president talks about as

a long tenure MIT professor. I mean, he talks about him all the time. brags about him all the time.

Yes. And he was in connected to military intelligence.

Huh. Yeah. Right. Patterson Air Force Base, the home of Project Blue Book UFO research.

So those 20 boxes of Nikolai Tesla's research have never surfaced.

They have not. So can you give us I I know many books have been written on this and you know famous company was

named after Tesla of course and all that but can you just give us the cliff's notes version of his life? You said it

didn't end well for him. What did you mean? Um he was very focused on free energy for the world. He wanted to usher in

sort of a new age for humanity which free energy certainly would do. Um

he was supported by JP Morgan was his finance year. Tesla was not a good businessman. his rival Edison was. He

wasn't as talented. Um, but he was good at playing the

business game. Tesla was not. So Tesla wanted to create free energy. He was supported by JP Morgan and said, "I'm

close. I Tesla demonstrated free free energy by he plugged light bulbs into

the ground and had them had them working." So he demonstrated it and he said to JP Morgan, "I just need a little

bit more money and we can we can put energy for everyone. Could you just tap into it?" And JP Morgan said, "Well, if

energy comes out of the air, where do we put the meter?" What do you mean free energy? New age of

mankind. JP Morgan pulls the funding and funds Edison and Maronei instead. And

Tesla's This is Warden Cliff Tower on Long Island where he's doing this research. He goes in default on the

mortgage. They tear it down. He dies in poverty in the New Yorker hotel in 1943.

One of the most brilliant across from Penn Station. Yes, it is. One of the grim now a migrant hotel.

Yes, it is. That's where he died. That's where That's right. Room 3327. That's a crummy place to die.

It is. But there's a good white castle downstairs. Yes. I don't think anymore. Probably not.

Wow. Um, do we have any sense of

what concepts he was working on when he died or what might have been in those 20 missing boxes?

It was the directed energy weapons that I that they really wanted. Uh, there's there's a good deal of documentation

that the military was interested in that, but specifics, no, we don't have that.

We just we just don't know specifically what were in those boxes. His nephew says it was everything to do with

energy. Um, and just for interest sake, John Trump, the uncle of the current

president, longtime MIT professor, is there any evidence that he worked on

the OAP question? None that I could find, but if you're at Wright Patterson in the 40s and 50s,

that's Project Blue Book. So that's that's that's the home base of UFO research.

So, you know, whether he's working on it, I I can't prove that, but he's certainly passing those guys in the

hall. I mean, Blue Book started when 52. So, he's involved. He's, you know, he's

there. So, I keep hearing this phrase remote viewing, which I I sort of picture in my head what it is. I don't

What Is Remote Viewing? How Did the CIA Use It to Spy on the Soviets?

really know what it is. I don't know if it's real or not. The government's involved. What What do you know about remote viewing?

First, tell me what you think it is. I think remote viewing is I'm like actually being a little bit false. I

have some sense of what it is. It's this it's the ability to see

things that are very far from your physical proximity. So like close your eyes and you can all of a sudden look

into a room a thousand miles away. I know that I think it's true that CIA worked to evoke this ability in people.

Um but I I kind of want to know this state of play. Is that actually real? Do we know that it's real?

We know that it's real. Um remote viewing started

it probably started but you know at the beginning of the human race but remote viewing that we're talking about started

1972 Stanford Research Institute um Russell Tar and uh Halutoff

physicists scientists were just studying psychic phenomenon just you know where

here's a shape on a card you know that scene at the beginning of Ghostbusters is it a star is a circle. They're doing

that sort of thing. And um a man walks in, his name is Ingo Swan.

He's become a very famous psychic. And uh at this point, Target put off for

essentially advertising on campus psychics wanted. So he walks in and says, "I'm the best psychic in the

world." So they give him a card to read and he says, "Give

me something hard to do." Like what? send somebody out in the San Francisco Bay area and I'll tell you what where

they are and what they see. It's like, okay, we'll do that. So, they send somebody out

and he just starts to kind of focus and concentrate and he starts to draw, you know, I see I see I see a water

fountain, but it's but there's no water in it. I see these circles on the ground. I see a building. And turns out

they got it all right. They described the pattern of the walkway. There was a fountain there that was not on that

particular day. The building was exactly where they said it was. Then they realized, "Okay, we have something

something different here than a shape on a card." They said, "Well, Ingo, where can you

go?" And he said, "I can go anywhere." Like anywhere. Like anywhere in space

and time. I have a whole episode of Ingo remote viewing the moon, but let's stick

with this for now. So they test Ingo Swan um a few times at

Yuri Geller was was another one they tested who was able to see things inside safes and there are a few other

psychics. Pat Price is my personal favorite. Joe McMonicle is a very famous one. But um what got CIA's attention was

in SR in in at Stanford buried deep underground was a magnetometer and this was used to

measure perturberations in the earth's crust to detect nuclear explosions. So this is an

important device. It's buried underground shielded by cement superconducting shielding like you can't

it's you can't get to it. Ingo is able to draw what it looks like.

And he says, "I could even move that needle." I said, "Go for it." So he

moves the needle. Now they're excited. The experiment works, but that needle

moving means a nuclear explosion just went off somewhere. So the CIA government gets involved. They want to

What's going on? It's not a nuclear explosion. Oh, we we're doing this program. And they say, "You're doing what?" And

they're not really they don't really care that he can move a needle. They're worried about he can see inside behind

cement and that means there's no more secrets. So the CIA starts funding this

project through various front companies and

all intelligence agencies want to get involved with this.

It comes kind of comes to a a peak. This is before Pat gets involved, but it's an

interesting story. It's called the It's called the Sugar Grove breakin. There's a CIA analyst. There's a bunch of CIA

people there. CI analyst says, um, here are coordinates.

They give to Ingo Swam. Nobody knows what the coordinates are. The analyst won't tell, nobody, the handlers won't

tell, nobody knows. Here are the coordinates. And Ingo does his thing and he says, I see a guard house. There's a

there's a radar giant radar dish and there's building it looks like a military. There's accordion rollup

doors. There's jeeps. It's a military some type of military installation. He draws it. The mountains are here. The

roads here. There's the river. Detailed map. Says, "That's what I saw." And uh

they give to the analyst say, "Here, is this it?" And the guy's like, "It's not even close. I gave you the coordinates

of my vacation house in West Virginia." Then they were like, "Ah shit." Okay.

So, that didn't work. But Pat Price comes along and Pat Price maybe the most talented psychic ever

remote views the same location, sees the same things without knowing anything what Ingo saw. You look at the maps,

they're almost identical. Radar dish, guard tower, roll up doors. But Pat is

very talented. He says, "I see a building. I'm going into the building."

Let me back up for a second. Pat Price, retired police officer from Burbank, always had an intuition to solve crimes.

Where's the body? Price knows. Where's the suspect hiding? Price knows. He just thought he had a hunch. But he retired

and started to develop this skill and heard about this program and got involved. So that's Pat Price. So he

sees the same things. So now that's clearly not a coincidence. So this is not a log cabin vacation on

what's going on there. So SRRI sends someone to the coordinates. They they find the vacation. They found the log

cabin and they're like, "But there's a dirt road here about 200 ft. We'll

follow the road." And they follow the road down just over the ridge in West Virginia in Sugar Grove and there's the

guard house. It's a military installation and they can't they can't enter, but they can see there's a radar

dish. The problem was Pat Price went into the building. He said, "I see green filing

cabinets." All right, Pat. What else? It says operation pool. Okay, go. He's he

said, "I'm going through the folders. Q ball, QST stick, rackup, eightball, all

very specific." It turns out that caused every law enforcement agency

in the country to show up at SRRI and they wanted to know why this weird

CIA pet project was spying on the the most secret NSA facility in the world.

Not just secret but so top secret that even the names of the projects which were cubal

rack up all this were top top secret. This is a facility to spy on Russian

satellites. Nobody knew it was there. The CIA analysts didn't know it was there. So Ingo and Pat just their

consciousness they just assumed well they they don't care about the log cabin. We're this is the CIA. They

obviously want us to look at this. So from then on, every intelligence agency

had psychics working. All of them. None of them admitted to it, but they all had psychics working for them. And um

I know that the Iran rescue operation in 1980 had one. Correct. That was Joe McMonicle who

found them. Um this operation I think was leaked by Jimmy Carter in 96 who was giving a talk

at a college and some kid asked him like, "What's the weirdest thing that ever happened when you were president?" and he said, you know, in his in his far

peanut farmer voice, you know, we had this Russian bomber go down in Africa and we needed to get there before the

Soviets. We didn't know how to do that, but we knew we had this group of like psychics that could see stuff and they

were helping solve involved with the Patty Patty Earth kidnapping. They helped they helped find that. Um, but

that that's not why they reported, but it is but it happened. Um, so they had a remote viewer who was really just like a

receptionist that they trained to do this because this is so this is an ability that we can all do. She found

where that bomber went down and the American military was able to

get there before the Russians and retrieve this bomber. This is this all documented and and Carter just kind of

let that slip and that was sort of the end of the public knowing about that was the whole reveal.

It kind of was. It was called Project Stargate at this time, but it was originally Project Scan 8 and Grill

Flame and Centerlane and some other names like that. Project Stargate is the one that everybody knows. Um, so they

test Pat Price again and they say we, you know, rather than spy on ourselves,

let's see what he can see on the Soviet side. And Pat draws this. He says, "I see a science fiction crane." And he

draws it out. It's a big gantry crane which is like a a I don't know 100 foot

tall crane that sits on railroad tracks. It's huge thing and he draws it

and shows it to CIA and they can't believe it but it matches aerial photography.

So he sees it. So now they want to know what is this thing? He says I don't know what it is but underground are these are

these 60ft metal spheres but they don't work.

Nobody knows what they are. It later comes out that they weren't 60 foot spheres. They were 58 feet and they were

containment for nuclear nuclear material, but they didn't work. So he

saw that that was Pat Price. CA is so impressed with his work that

they say you just come and work for us. So they pulled him out of SRRI and he's exclusively working for uh for CI at

that point. He's doing some of his own remote viewing on kind of on the side some not

espionage. He's looking around and his most famous one is he remote viewed Mount Hayes. Mount Hayes in Alaska and

he sends his consciousness into the mountain and he sees inside the mountain tall thin alien beings working alongside

American military. He sees it inside the mountain. Now people have gone up there. There's no way in. There's no way out. I

can't prove any of it. But this is what he saw. So he takes that information. He gives it to Haluto off. Hal's no longer

with Stargate at this point. I think it's run by Skip Atwater. Could be wrong, but I think it was Skip. Gives it

to Skip. And Skip passes it along. Just a couple of days later, Pat is in Las Vegas and he's

in the hotel lobby front of the elevators heading up to his room. Someone bumps into him and he feels like

a pinch a pinch on his leg. goes upstairs, calls his wife to say

good night. She says, "You don't sound good." He says, "Um, I don't feel well." He says, "Say good night." And he's

found dead the next morning. 58 years old. That's They called it a heart attack. But no autopsy is done.

Um, someone comes in with credentials. They say, "We'll take it from here." Pat's body's cremated. And then they

call his wife and say what happened. And Pat's now buried in an unmarked grave in

North Hollywood, which you can find if you want to pay your respects if that's where Pat is. Patrice is probably the

most talented that there was. Joe McMonagle is famous. He's still around,

by the way, still remote viewing. He's the one who found

he found a large building like a 100 yards from water in the Soviet Union

and didn't know what they were building in there. He starts sketching a submarine like, "All right, they're building a sub." He says, "No, this is

different. It's got like it's like two subs together. It's like a twin sub."

They like, "What are you talking about?" Cuz a twin hole sub. He said, "It's it's giant." He said, "I've never seen

anything this big." And they're going to launch it in 120 days. That's kind of

specific. And 118 days later, the Russian Typhoon

class sub is launched. And it's the largest submarine ever made. And it's a twin hull sub. And Joe saw that. Now he

claims his success rate is like 90 95%. CIA says it's lower than that, but he

saw that. And Joe McMonagle, he's he's received the Order of Merit,

which I think is the second highest award you can get as a from I think it's

the second highest as a civilian from the military. And in his in his citations, it's for

200 successful missions, 150 of which provided vital intelligence

to American operations, but it doesn't say anything more than that, but that's

in his official citation. Now, all this kind of comes out and I think

Gates was I think Gates was DCI at this point. He goes on TV and says, "There's nothing to

this Stargate thing. no real intelligence has come from it and we're shutting it down

and that was kind of the last that happened with Stargate publicly publicly. I I think it continues because

the Soviets were trying to do the same thing at the time and uh and they allegedly got it to

work. Now, interestingly enough, Soviet and American remote viewers, they get together and they teach each other and

actually practice. Um, what I find fascinating is they could see not just through space but through time. So there

was one time where Joe McMonicle was given he was given coordinates and he remote viewed it and he said, "I think

I'm on Mars." I said, "Okay, what do you see?" He says, "I see these tall slender beings walking around. Something's going

on. There's a problem. There's there's species dying." And he said, "I feel

feel like it's a long time ago." and he comes out of his transport whatever. So the coordinates were Mars and it said

Mars 1 million BC. So he saw beings on Mars. Um at the time

the the Mars was supposed to be this barren planet but Mars had was full of was very

earthlike. Yes. Oceans all but at the time no one said that but Joe saw it just like Ingo on

the moon saw alien bases on the moon. saw psychic beings on the moon. He said they're aware of us. And um

I think I think those are the things that that make the government. Crew of uh any of the Apollo missions

What Was Seen on the Apollo Mission and Did We Land on the Moon?

when they landed on the moon, do they see anything? Officially no. Officially no. Um the

story goes that there's a there's a radio blackout when Neil and Buzz are up

there when they first get there. And there is a radio blackout. And the story is, well, you know how the

orbit works. Sometimes the radio signal drops, whatever. The story is they switch over to the medical channel and

said they're here. They're on the crater and they can see us. That's that's what the

story is. And Ingos Swan said he saw things on the moon. He saw structures.

He saw beings that are there. If you go through secondary sources,

every astronaut has seen strange things in space. Edgar Mitchell is on record as

saying UFOs are real. They're extraterrestrial. Roswell is real. That happened. We have craft. Um the

government is lying. This is a sixth man to walk on the moon. This is not a kook. This is an American hero. So something's

clearly going on up there. But anyway, that's that's the know about the moon. Exactly. Not not very much. Not very much at all.

We um Let me ask you, do do you think we went to the moon? Do you think we landed on

the moon? I have a lot of thoughts on it uh that I never get into. I mean, I

You squirm the way I do and asked. I mean,

I I went down this once um cuz it's my job, right? And I I found it really

distressing, so I just kind of gave up. But I did, you know, I talked, you know, you never know who's telling you the

truth about anything, right? But, uh, I talked to people, you know, I sort of do trust like, no, it's not. But then I

thought, you know, whatever. I don't I don't There are a lot I spent my life looking into into things and trying to figure out what's real and what's not.

And and I do think in midlife you realize, having done this for so many years that like some things you're just you're not going to know,

right? And and I think you can go crazy because I've pushed to the edge of it

myself trying to figure out what's right, what's true, what actually happened, what reality is. But I think

it's unattainable on certain stories. This may be one of them. I I will say we accidentally taped over the original

footage cuz we ran out of Betamax. Yeah. And the, you know, the schematic

drawings of the of the spacecraft are like missing and all. It's like telemetry data is gone.

your data is going it's like stop they can't replicate the technology right yeah so that would um

I'll say this if it if it was faked of course can't prove that

um then it's just one more instance of the US government having to backfill you know a 57y old lie and it's done that a

lot did certainly did it with the murder of John F Kennedy and it just it you know you tell a lie and it just kind of

doesn't go away because you have to continually make up new lies in order to cover, you know, the lie, the original

lie. So, um, you'd hate to think that's that's real. That's the struggle with the moonlanding

question, I think, because I it wasn't a gotcha question cuz when I'm asked that all the time, and I do the same thing. I kind of go, "Uh,

A, I wish you didn't ask me that. B, I'm not sure. I think we did. I think

something was found up there, which is why we didn't go back." And for

me, it all hinges on Edgar Mitchell cuz I trust I trust and believe him. And if

he says he walked on the moon, then I believe him. But I think something was found up there that that maybe the

government didn't want us to find. There's clearly lying around it. I mean, that's what we know. That's I just know that from having a lot of children. If

there's like evasion and certain parts of the story don't make sense, then there's lying there. Now, what does that

add up to? Sometimes it's it's just very minor, you know, um and sometimes it's not. But lying is the tell. It's a sign

of you know what it is which is deception. Trying to hide the truth from other people. Like

clearly clearly uh they are lying. And that's what makes this so difficult

is because we know they lie about all these things. We run around in circles. Yeah. And the muddy the waters are muddied.

And I think that's kind of the whole point of it. It may be because simply because I know you're lying does not mean I know what

the truth is. Correct. And that is true for so many different things. Some of which I have like very close proximity

to where like I know for a fact you're lying. Like you basically told me you're lying, but I can only guess as to why.

Right. Right. That's 100% true. Last question. Do you ever feel driven

Does AJ Gentile Ever Feel Driven to Craziness By His Job?

to like craziness by your job? I mean, talk about in the middle of it. Yes. um maybe not insanity, but I I have

become maybe certainly more jaded, disappointed in my government. Yeah. Cuz I didn't grow up that way. I grew up

either in a very patriotic home. Yep. So, everybody's a cop or in the military or both. We're draped in draped in old

glory. And then and I was like that really my whole life. Iraq wars. I'm behind you. You know, me

too. America, everything. All of it. And in my research, I learned that I think just

about every war we've fought since the Second World War is based on a lie. I can't find any that are based on

truth. And there's an argument that even World War II was were kind of the American was deceived into getting

involved in that. Um, but every other war was based on a lie, which and that's that's that's certainly proven. Uh, the

Gulf War was started by a PR company. You remember when Naria gave her her

testimony in front of Congress that they were throwing the babies on the ground in the hospital? Oh, it was very heartbreaking when she was the daughter

of the ambassador of Kuwait. Um, and lying. She had never been to that hospital. But I remember that

we had boots on the ground. Yeah. Killed a lot of people. You know, not many Americans died. Thank heaven.

But, um, yeah, I I drove on the highway of death. Boy, I'm not not defending the Iraqis. I guess we're, you know, it

doesn't matter how many we kill. That's the official view. But there's only 30,000. It was pretty brutal. I mean, I saw the

aftermath of it is pretty pretty brutal. But but 500 Americans, that's enough for me to get. There are 500 killed in the first Gulf

War. I'm so embarrassed I didn't remember that. So jaded, disappointed, angry. Um but

not bitter. Not bitter. You know, I I end my episodes really never with

despair, never really with hope. It's more about um

try to when when you're told things just think closely. I try to help people to

not what to think but but how to think. Don't trust everything that you that you that comes out of the media. Whether

you're on the right or the left that really that's all kind of a puppet show. It's really about people versus power.

And anything that the powerful tell you don't trust it. Exactly. Exactly. Ex. Boy, I couldn't