Re: new portal site for ledger-likes; content, naming

[Leonardo Melo]

First of all, thanks for the initiative Simon, I've been reading the other posts and I think it's a good idea to start collecting our knowledge in an easier to find and maintain way. I'll give my thoughts on it and let's see what the community decides.

First of all, ways of contributing. I believe most of us (maybe all) are developers of some kind or at least very comfortable with computers. I'm a web developer with PHP and JS (React, front-end and node) as my strong points, so when it comes to actually building something, I'd like to help.

I think you have a good initial structure already and if we could name it nicely it would definitely be a plus. Since SEO for ledger is quite hard. I'll add my votes to your list, here, it might be worth making a little poll later. Depending on how many people manifest their opinions:

Without "ledger" in the name:
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plaintextaccounting +1
A fundamental characteristic of all ledger-likes, so far.
Understandable and inviting.

my personal favourite, but I'm unsure as to excluding the ledger word since all software have ledger in their names.

functionalaccounting
Another fundamental characteristic, though not universal.
Less clear, more scary, requires explanation.

With "ledger" in the name:
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ledgerhub
Familiar and clear, in the github era.
Martin has a retired tool called LedgerHub and is against reusing the
name (but might be persuadable if we all asked very very nicely).

plaintextledger +1

Same as plaintextaccounting in meaning but has the ledger word in it.

plaintextledgers

ledgerworld

ledgerlikes

ledger-likes

ledgerlike

Possibly too Ledger-specific-sounding:
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introtoledger

welcometoledger

ledgerguide

ledgeriseasy

Hope this goes well. I'd love to see more use cases and tips on how to improve my own ledger setup.

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Leo Melo

   

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 at 17:41 Simon Michael <si...@joyful.com> wrote:

Continuing the "new docs site, anyone ?" thread. I've called it "portal
site" this time to suggest a landing and jump-off page, rather than a
reworking of existing docs (an interesting but separate topic).

I have an itch and a vision for this, so I guess I'll go ahead and
scratch it, briefly. I'd love for others to jump on board, so I'd like
to do this in a way y'all, including you John, Martin B, and other
project leads, approve of and will help with. Hence all this brainstorming.

But, I also need to throw something up quick while the motivation is
strong. At minimum, I'll end up with a links page that's useful for me;
that's still good. So I'm gathering content notes on this etherpad page
- all help is most welcome!

https://oasis.sandstorm.io/shared/UAYLwagGI0a2pIMg9Hhv74K04nbuxanXiS5ZtBV6NF-

That's an unmemorable url, so I'd like to replace it asap. I will soon
pick something temporary, and change it when we decide on something better.

The goals listed there right now are:

- a good introductory landing page for newcomers to the world of
ledger-likes
- a good roadmap to all ledger-likes, their docs, and useful generic
docs, emails, blog posts
- covers all ledger-likes neutrally
- easy to find, spell, remember
- easily and actively maintained; no stale/unmaintained bits
- renders robustly across devices
- visually attractive

So, back to the naming discussion. I need a domain name suitable for the
above, that most of us like! Here are some possibilities and comments.
Please suggest more, and/or, if you feel ready, name your first and
second preference. (In all cases, the suffix is assumed to be .org
unless you say otherwise).

Without "ledger" in the name:
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plaintextaccounting
A fundamental characteristic of all ledger-likes, so far.
Understandable and inviting.

functionalaccounting
Another fundamental characteristic, though not universal.
Less clear, more scary, requires explanation.

With "ledger" in the name:
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ledgerhub
Familiar and clear, in the github era.
Martin has a retired tool called LedgerHub and is against reusing the
name (but might be persuadable if we all asked very very nicely).

plaintextledger

plaintextledgers

ledgerworld

ledgerlikes

ledger-likes

ledgerlike

Possibly too Ledger-specific-sounding:
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introtoledger

welcometoledger

ledgerguide

ledgeriseasy


Thanks for reading this far. :)
-Simon




On 2/7/16 8:44 AM, Simon Michael wrote:
> We have a lot of docs, in various states of freshness, specific to each
> implementation. Also many informative blog and mail list posts. Much of
> this is hard to find.
>
> Reading Stefano's recent ledger list post, I think, not for the first
> time, wouldn't it be great if we had all of this linked somewhere
> central, curated, and presented beautifully, providing an easy on-ramp
> and reference for newcomers and experts ? Actively maintained by the
> community ?
>
> If so, where would that somewhere be ? ledger-cli.org and/or its wiki is
> the closest existing candidate, but it has never felt right to load that
> up with non-Ledger stuff. I think it's valuable for each implementation
> to have its own distinct site. I think a separate, well-named, highly
> findable site, even a single page collecting all useful links and acting
> as a portal to the ledgerverse, could be a win.
>
> If you agree, what would you call it ? Martin, since you are retiring
> your LedgerHub tool, would that name be available ?
>
>
> Related to naming.. what do we call this whole topic, anyway ? Stefano
> used the phrase "command-line accounting". But we have curses and web
> GUIs too. "Plain-text accounting" ? Pretty soon we'll probably support
> some non-text storage format. "Ledger clones" ? Too narrow. Aside: in
> conversation, I use "ledger-likes" for things similar to but not
> necessarily compatible with Ledger (ledger, hledger beancount, abandon,
> penny) and "*ledger" for very compatible ledger-likes (ledger, hledger).
>
> Any thoughts ?


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[Alex Johnstone]

I too like plaintextaccounting. It's a little long but fits the intent. Top google hits for it (for me) are wikipedia linking to Ledger-cli site, and hledger.

other "modern" urls could be:

getledger

ledgerhero

ledgerhub is good, probably would've picked that if no opposition.

Also: ledgerwiki, ledgerbook, ledgerlibrary...

I like the idea thought!

[Martin Blais]

cli-accounting is another idea

 

functionalaccounting
Another fundamental characteristic, though not universal.
Less clear, more scary, requires explanation.

With "ledger" in the name:
--------------------------

ledgerhub
Familiar and clear, in the github era.
Martin has a retired tool called LedgerHub and is against reusing the
name (but might be persuadable if we all asked very very nicely).

I don't "own" the name, it's just a name I happened to use for that project.

I'm not against reusing it, I just think it's unwise because of the precedent.

You're welcome to use it if that's your favorite choice for this doc project.

[Simon Michael]

Good morning all,

thanks for the additional domain ideas, and Martin for the green light
on using "ledgerhub" if that should be chosen.

Reminder: to vote, reply in this thread, or to me, or on
#ledger/#hledger, telling me your first and second choice. Votes so far:
https://oasis.sandstorm.io/shared/uDe3lZUAFxUFThqjbayYt1AmOjz1BUouUnPN9ttkKBA
Currently plaintextaccounting is the favourite.

Alexis, that's an interesting idea. The first part (getting ledger.org)
certainly would be great. I don't remember what price we found last time
we checked, if someone wants to lead the mission of acquiring it I'm
sure we'd support.

[Daniël Bos]

About ledger.org, one tip: don't open the site. Every unique visitor
drives the price up. Now that (probably) a bunch of people on the list
went to that domain, I suggest waiting a couple of weeks before even
contacting them on a price.

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[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 11:36:44PM +0800, Daniël Bos wrote:
> About ledger.org, one tip: don't open the site. Every unique visitor
> drives the price up. Now that (probably) a bunch of people on the list
> went to that domain, I suggest waiting a couple of weeks before even
> contacting them on a price.

Speaking of which: before going on with the idea of buying that domain,
please think of the collateral damage of contributing to legitimizing
domain squatting business by giving them money.

If we really want ledger.TLD, there are so many TLD's these days (and
there will be more in the future) that I'm sure we can find something :)

Just my 0.02 EUR,
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[Simon Michael]

The voters have spoken!

plaintextaccounting 3.25 4 votes
ledgerhub 1.5 2
cliaccounting 1 1
plaintextledger 0.75 1
ledgerworld 0.5 1

http://plaintextaccounting.org now redirects to the notes page. I've
collected more links there, please add any other related tools or
important info I've missed.

What next ? Etherpad sure makes updates easy, but I suppose we need
more. I'll set up a github pages site. Question: this could be a project
within the ledger organization, or it could be the github pages site of
the ledger organization itself, or it can be outside of the ledger
organization (and neutral like Switzerland). Thoughts ?