Sharing some thoughts on quality

[Joseph Heller]

I just stumbled upon an issue I had encountered a year ago as well, and would like to share some thoughts on this here. All help appreciated, don't get me wrong, and I'm sure it will be resolved but I recalled some things missing the first time when I had the issue, which still seem to be missing now. It is things missing like: are there release notes, is there a bug tracker, differentiation between stable and unstable releases, a wiki that's kept up-to-date, and what happens if someone crucial is leaving the team? Now that got me thinking: could it be that this is the underlying reason for issues like these in general? The reason for me to bring it up is that I'm actually wondering if spending my time and effort on the Beaglebone is the best investment, or that there's alternative solutions. The Beaglebone is known to be an SBC with a steep learning curve, but I did not expect to be spending time on the issues just mentioned. As an experiment, I have an outstanding order which I wonder if that suits me better in the long run if issues occur. So in that sense, this is feedback on something that looks to me as the weak spot of the Beaglebone. I truly think the board is a very good platform from hardware point of view, but it would be a pity if due to the issues mentioned it will not survive competition. My guess, and maybe the hard part, is that suggested improvements are not easily decided upon and implemented by the community - although here's my contribution by starting a discussion and sharing thoughts about it. It's more like defining a strategy and improving of the foundation by the core team, after which the community can benefit from it either as users or participants. Having a less well defined quality standpoint, is in a sense the other way round: despite the good intentions, have the community be confronted with issues, then try to solve them. Some frustration being vented here as well as you might have noted, but I guess that’s all in the game.

[Robert Nelson]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Joseph Heller
<joseph.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just stumbled upon an issue I had encountered a year ago as well, and
> would like to share some thoughts on this here. All help appreciated, don't
> get me wrong, and I'm sure it will be resolved but I recalled some things
> missing the first time when I had the issue, which still seem to be missing
> now. It is things missing like: are there release notes,


> is there a bug
> tracker,

github:

https://github.com/beagleboard/

>differentiation between stable and unstable releases,

no diff, it's a rolling model..

> a wiki that's
> kept up-to-date,

it is, the issue is "3rd party" wiki's..

> and what happens if someone crucial is leaving the team?

He did. that's why we don't ship Angstrom by default..

Just to scare you more, i drive an hour every morning and night thru
dark country roads in north minnesota with lots of deer running around
to get to my Day Job.

Everything i use to build the debian image is on my github account. So
when i smack a 30 point buck or a moose, it should be easy for someone
else to pick up.

> Now that got me thinking: could it be that this is the underlying reason for
> issues like these in general? The reason for me to bring it up is that I'm
> actually wondering if spending my time and effort on the Beaglebone is the
> best investment, or that there's alternative solutions. The Beaglebone is
> known to be an SBC with a steep learning curve, but I did not expect to be
> spending time on the issues just mentioned. As an experiment, I have an
> outstanding order which I wonder if that suits me better in the long run if
> issues occur. So in that sense, this is feedback on something that looks to
> me as the weak spot of the Beaglebone. I truly think the board is a very
> good platform from hardware point of view, but it would be a pity if due to
> the issues mentioned it will not survive competition. My guess, and maybe
> the hard part, is that suggested improvements are not easily decided upon
> and implemented by the community - although here's my contribution by
> starting a discussion and sharing thoughts about it. It's more like defining
> a strategy and improving of the foundation by the core team, after which the
> community can benefit from it either as users or participants. Having a less
> well defined quality standpoint, is in a sense the other way round: despite
> the good intentions, have the community be confronted with issues, then try
> to solve them. Some frustration being vented here as well as you might have
> noted, but I guess that’s all in the game.

You can vent all you want, there's only one user on this forum that's
paid by Beagle Foundation/TI. The rest of use are just volunteer's
who spend our free time working on it, i usually just ignore venter's
unless they have a patch..

Ps, now go test, your bug is fixed:

https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2017-04-30/

Release notes will show up tomorrow on my lunch break .. ;)

Busy now, as I've got burgers to grill. ;)

Regards,

--
Robert Nelson
https://rcn-ee.com/

[William Hermans]

I usually just delete these kind of posts without reading them, but I recognized the name as someone whose posted recently so I did not delete it, but no way I was going to try and read that wall of text. especially when I'm writing software . . .

Do us a favor in the future Joseph. dontwirteyourtextinonebighugemonolithicparagrapshwhichmakespeoplenotwanttoreadwhatyouresaying. Point made ?

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[William Hermans]

By the way The font chosen is great for short code snippits, or command line output, but is terrible for reading as plain text . . . just sayin'

[Jason Kridner]

That'd be me. I'm paid by TI and they let me do whatever I can for the Foundation and community. The Foundation has an executive director and that is the only paid employee. She doesn't monitor the forums, but I can escalate issues to her or people at TI. I try to spend my time the way the community would want, but I think I'm a little typical in that documentation is like pulling teeth.

> who spend our free time working on it, i usually just ignore venter's
> unless they have a patch..

Thanks very much Robert.

>
> Ps, now go test, your bug is fixed:
>
> https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2017-04-30/
>
> Release notes will show up tomorrow on my lunch break .. ;)
>
> Busy now, as I've got burgers to grill. ;)
>
> Regards,
>
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> Robert Nelson
> https://rcn-ee.com/
>

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[Roberts Maria]

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Subject: Re: [beagleboard] Sharing some thoughts on quality
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Date: Monday, May 1, 2017, 3:09 PM

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