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May 23, 2012, 8:09:43 PM5/23/12
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Eric Schild aka "Eric©" <er...@nil.ca> wrote in message
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> IIRC Montreal and Halifax are/were bad as well. What made Victoria stand out
> was that people there were so brazen about it. They said that the sewage was
> harmless because of the "natural flushing action" of the Strait of Jaun de
> Fuca, ignoring the large dead zone on the sea floor around Victoria and the
> turds and tampons washing up on Washington State beaches.
Who were "the people" who said that, Schild? Certainly wasn't the voters of the city - who
voted for a major expansion of sewage treatment centres. So, tell us who the "people" were
that decided it was just too expensive to build new treatment plants.
OTOH when a guy
> dressed up as a giant piece of excrement (calling himself 'Mr. Floatie') tried
> to run for city council, they tried to ban him.
You know what your problem might be, Schild? You just can't remember anything the way it
really happened. No, I'm serious . . .
you either make up stories, or you twist them out of context, or you forge data, or when those
all fail, you simply tell a lie. And your rightwing buddies fall for it. Because they're made
of the same stuff.
Here's some history:
___________________________
Victoria, BC, Plans to Stop Dumping Raw Sewage in the Ocean
June 23, 2009
After decades of bad press, international outrage and government directives to clean up its
act, the City of Victoria, capital of British Columbia, finally agreed to stop flushing raw
sewage into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, which divides the western edges of Canada and the
United States and flows between the Pacific Ocean and Puget Sound in Washington state.
Earlier this month [June 2009], regional leaders approved a $1.2 billion plan to build four
treatment plants to process the 34 million gallons of sewage that the 300,000 residents of
Victoria and six neighboring suburbs dump into the Strait every day.
Environmentalists are cheering the long-overdue move, pointing out that untreated sewage
contains toxic chemicals, heavy metals and other contaminants that pose risks to public health
and marine life, including the region’s killer whales. Victoria’s neighbors in nearby
Vancouver, BC, and in Washington’s coastal communities on the Olympic Peninsula and among the
San Juan Islands are also happy about the plan.
Critics of the plan argue that the money is needed elsewhere and that raw sewage pumped into
the strait is so quickly diluted and dispersed that it doesn’t need to be treated. Some
scientists agree that sewage flushed into the strait poses only minor risks to the marine
environment and public health.
Victoria’s decision to finally take responsibility for its human waste is probably a
long-delayed response to the BC government’s 2006 order for the city to develop a sewage
treatment plan—or maybe public pressure and the ongoing protests finally got to city officials.
In addition, the decision may have been motivated in part by the Winter Olympics, which are
scheduled to take place in Vancouver in 2010 and sure to bring millions of new tourists to the
region.
_____________________________________________
Opponents of the new treatment plants (a group called ARESST) have included some big political
types who live in prime areas of the city and don't want to see anything more than those pipes
currently hanging from the land and sneaking out for several thousand feet into the coastal
waters. Keith Martin, Liberal is one of them. So is a doctor by the name of Shaun Peck. And
don't forget David Anderson, former Minister of the Environment for the Liberals - who lives in
Oak Bay (where one of the treatment plants is slated for) and is using the excuse of
'inequitable funding' that demands a 3-way cost sharing between the City, the Province, and the
Feds.
THAT'S why Victoria still doesn't have a sewage treatment system . . . . politics and big
names got in the way and so did the Harper government that scoffs at anything that has the word
'environment' attached to it.
Yeah, Dobranski . . . . that would be the government YOU voted for.
news:MPG.2a26b69cb...@news.eternal-september.org...
> IIRC Montreal and Halifax are/were bad as well. What made Victoria stand out
> was that people there were so brazen about it. They said that the sewage was
> harmless because of the "natural flushing action" of the Strait of Jaun de
> Fuca, ignoring the large dead zone on the sea floor around Victoria and the
> turds and tampons washing up on Washington State beaches.
Who were "the people" who said that, Schild? Certainly wasn't the voters of the city - who
voted for a major expansion of sewage treatment centres. So, tell us who the "people" were
that decided it was just too expensive to build new treatment plants.
OTOH when a guy
> dressed up as a giant piece of excrement (calling himself 'Mr. Floatie') tried
> to run for city council, they tried to ban him.
You know what your problem might be, Schild? You just can't remember anything the way it
really happened. No, I'm serious . . .
you either make up stories, or you twist them out of context, or you forge data, or when those
all fail, you simply tell a lie. And your rightwing buddies fall for it. Because they're made
of the same stuff.
Here's some history:
___________________________
Victoria, BC, Plans to Stop Dumping Raw Sewage in the Ocean
June 23, 2009
After decades of bad press, international outrage and government directives to clean up its
act, the City of Victoria, capital of British Columbia, finally agreed to stop flushing raw
sewage into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, which divides the western edges of Canada and the
United States and flows between the Pacific Ocean and Puget Sound in Washington state.
Earlier this month [June 2009], regional leaders approved a $1.2 billion plan to build four
treatment plants to process the 34 million gallons of sewage that the 300,000 residents of
Victoria and six neighboring suburbs dump into the Strait every day.
Environmentalists are cheering the long-overdue move, pointing out that untreated sewage
contains toxic chemicals, heavy metals and other contaminants that pose risks to public health
and marine life, including the region’s killer whales. Victoria’s neighbors in nearby
Vancouver, BC, and in Washington’s coastal communities on the Olympic Peninsula and among the
San Juan Islands are also happy about the plan.
Critics of the plan argue that the money is needed elsewhere and that raw sewage pumped into
the strait is so quickly diluted and dispersed that it doesn’t need to be treated. Some
scientists agree that sewage flushed into the strait poses only minor risks to the marine
environment and public health.
Victoria’s decision to finally take responsibility for its human waste is probably a
long-delayed response to the BC government’s 2006 order for the city to develop a sewage
treatment plan—or maybe public pressure and the ongoing protests finally got to city officials.
In addition, the decision may have been motivated in part by the Winter Olympics, which are
scheduled to take place in Vancouver in 2010 and sure to bring millions of new tourists to the
region.
_____________________________________________
Opponents of the new treatment plants (a group called ARESST) have included some big political
types who live in prime areas of the city and don't want to see anything more than those pipes
currently hanging from the land and sneaking out for several thousand feet into the coastal
waters. Keith Martin, Liberal is one of them. So is a doctor by the name of Shaun Peck. And
don't forget David Anderson, former Minister of the Environment for the Liberals - who lives in
Oak Bay (where one of the treatment plants is slated for) and is using the excuse of
'inequitable funding' that demands a 3-way cost sharing between the City, the Province, and the
Feds.
THAT'S why Victoria still doesn't have a sewage treatment system . . . . politics and big
names got in the way and so did the Harper government that scoffs at anything that has the word
'environment' attached to it.
Yeah, Dobranski . . . . that would be the government YOU voted for.
Unknown
May 23, 2012, 9:08:04 PM5/23/12
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> On 5/23/2012 4:29 PM, Co...@minority.gov wrote:
>> Everyone else has. But you also didn't know that it was the rightwing government still in
>> place, that decided it was too much money to spend on cleaning up the oceans. They spent
>> the
>> money instead on the 2010 Olympic Games.
Kim Dobranski aka "Chom Noamsky" <ch...@noamsky.here> wrote in message
news:jpjvej$8q5$1...@dont-email.me...
> Why can't the City of Victoria pay for cleaning up its own turds?
They're willing to pay for the treatment plants . . . the people of the city voted FOR the
treatment in a referendum.
The rich and powerful have held up their construction. And Harper couldn't care less about the
cleanliness of our waters - nevermind our air or our land. The waters themselves are the
jurisdiction of the Province or the Feds. Two rightwing entities affecting BC.
>> Everyone else has. But you also didn't know that it was the rightwing government still in
>> place, that decided it was too much money to spend on cleaning up the oceans. They spent
>> the
>> money instead on the 2010 Olympic Games.
Kim Dobranski aka "Chom Noamsky" <ch...@noamsky.here> wrote in message
news:jpjvej$8q5$1...@dont-email.me...
> Why can't the City of Victoria pay for cleaning up its own turds?
They're willing to pay for the treatment plants . . . the people of the city voted FOR the
treatment in a referendum.
The rich and powerful have held up their construction. And Harper couldn't care less about the
cleanliness of our waters - nevermind our air or our land. The waters themselves are the
jurisdiction of the Province or the Feds. Two rightwing entities affecting BC.
Chom Noamsky
May 23, 2012, 9:58:00 PM5/23/12
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don't want to lose their jobs for adding $1.2 billion to the municipal
tax bill. And Victoria taxpayers seem to like this excuse just fine.
It's pointless voting for something, Karen, unless you're actually
prepared to put your money where your turds are.
gordo
May 23, 2012, 11:18:07 PM5/23/12
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charged. This of course will change as soon as the Act is changed. I
have made my views known to the PM , the minister of fisheries and my
own MP John Duncan.It is time for conservative supporters to stand up
against the PM for throwing out conservative values.
>
Eric©
May 23, 2012, 11:34:18 PM5/23/12
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Chom Noamsky wrote...
I remember that up here in the interior at one point there was a lot of
laughing and pointing of fingers at the Victoria clowns. Kelowna never had the
option of dumping raw sewage into Okanagan Lake. With roughly half the
population of the City of Victoria they installed the Bardenpho system with no
problems.
Over the years everyone else in BC cleaned up their act. The pulp mills cut
their dioxin-laden discharges. The City of Vernon, exposed for pumping sewage
overflows thru a deep-water pipe into Okanagan Lake came up with an innovative
spray irrigation system in the surrounding hills.
But in Victoria they only come up with excuses. Turdmistress Karen's latest
babbling is a perfect example.
laughing and pointing of fingers at the Victoria clowns. Kelowna never had the
option of dumping raw sewage into Okanagan Lake. With roughly half the
population of the City of Victoria they installed the Bardenpho system with no
problems.
Over the years everyone else in BC cleaned up their act. The pulp mills cut
their dioxin-laden discharges. The City of Vernon, exposed for pumping sewage
overflows thru a deep-water pipe into Okanagan Lake came up with an innovative
spray irrigation system in the surrounding hills.
But in Victoria they only come up with excuses. Turdmistress Karen's latest
babbling is a perfect example.
Unknown
May 25, 2012, 6:52:24 PM5/25/12
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Kim Dobranski aka "Chom Noamsky" <ch...@noamsky.here> wrote in message
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> Nothing is holding up the project except for Victoria politicians who don't want to lose
> their jobs for adding $1.2 billion to the municipal tax bill. And Victoria taxpayers seem to
> like this excuse just fine. It's pointless voting for something, Karen, unless you're
> actually prepared to put your money where your turds are.
The cost of the treatment plants was accepted by the taxpayers voting on the referendum.
> their jobs for adding $1.2 billion to the municipal tax bill. And Victoria taxpayers seem to
> like this excuse just fine. It's pointless voting for something, Karen, unless you're
> actually prepared to put your money where your turds are.
The only thing holding up these facilities is politicians with contacts in Ottawa.
Unknown
May 25, 2012, 6:54:21 PM5/25/12
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Eric Schild aka "Eric©" <er...@nil.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.2a274c165...@news.eternal-september.org...
> I remember that up here in the interior at one point there was a lot of
> laughing and pointing of fingers at the Victoria clowns. Kelowna never had the
> option of dumping raw sewage into Okanagan Lake. With roughly half the
> population of the City of Victoria they installed the Bardenpho system with no
> problems.
>
> Over the years everyone else in BC cleaned up their act. The pulp mills cut
> their dioxin-laden discharges. The City of Vernon, exposed for pumping sewage
> overflows thru a deep-water pipe into Okanagan Lake came up with an innovative
> spray irrigation system in the surrounding hills.
>
> But in Victoria they only come up with excuses. Turdmistress Karen's latest
> babbling is a perfect example.
. . . . although she did point out that a referendum on the issue was approved by the
> laughing and pointing of fingers at the Victoria clowns. Kelowna never had the
> option of dumping raw sewage into Okanagan Lake. With roughly half the
> population of the City of Victoria they installed the Bardenpho system with no
> problems.
>
> Over the years everyone else in BC cleaned up their act. The pulp mills cut
> their dioxin-laden discharges. The City of Vernon, exposed for pumping sewage
> overflows thru a deep-water pipe into Okanagan Lake came up with an innovative
> spray irrigation system in the surrounding hills.
>
> But in Victoria they only come up with excuses. Turdmistress Karen's latest
> babbling is a perfect example.
taxpayers of the city of Victoria. So maybe I'm just spouting shit once again?
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