Stockwell Day steps in it ...
John Corman
wrote:
>In can.politics Karen Gordon <ar...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
>> (K): You miss just a few points, Jerry.
>
>> 1. The majority of people in Canada DON'T WANT TO revisit the laws which
>> allow women the right to abortions.
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> Depends on which polls you have been viewing and how the question
> was worded.
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Come on Gerry, no poll has ever suggested that the majority of
Canadians oppose abortion.
Some of you people don't seem to understand that most of us see
abortion as a necessary evil, if you will. While capital punishment
may be termed an unnecessary one. If it makes you feel any better, no
one's clapping their hands every time an abortion occurs. But, on the
other hand, no one wants to see their daughter stretched out in the
alley either.
So, give it up.
Rick Sutcliffe
<jco...@server.xxx> wrote:
> But, on the
> other hand, no one wants to see their daughter stretched out in the
> alley either.
On the third hand, I wouldn't want to see my grandchildren tossed into
a hospital trash can, either.
--
Rick Sutcliffe Professor Math/Cmpt Trinity Western University
<<Not an official spokesperson>> Books at: <http://www.arjay.bc.ca>
Chris
You want to live in a barbaric society where gun violence is rampant and the
state puts undesirable minorities to death (A.K.A. Capital Punishment);
THEN FUCKING MOVE THERE!
Not every Albertan is a wannabe American. Like it or not, the Liberals and
NDP are parties that make Canada, Canadian. Don't like, move and vote
Republican or KKK or whatever you social conservatives do or burn in your
spare time.
"Gerald H.Hall" <jerr...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message
news:8p1ln8$hbe$1...@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca...
> In can.politics Karen Gordon <ar...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
>
> > x-no-archive: yes
> > "Gerald H.Hall" (jerr...@vcn.bc.ca) writes:
>
> > _______________________
> > (K): You miss just a few points, Jerry.
>
> > 1. The majority of people in Canada DON'T WANT TO revisit the laws
which
> > allow women the right to abortions.
>
> Depends on which polls you have been viewing and how the question
> was worded.
>
>
> > 2. The NDP - at 9% of the public polls - are NOT THE PARTY Stockwell
Day
> > will be facing in the next election. It's the pro-choice LIBERALS who
are
> > at 46% in the polls (as compared to Stockwell Day's 18%).
>
> The poll I read in the same issue that gave NDP 9 per cent, also
> gave the Alliance 25 per cent.
>
> > 3. And Svend Robinson has spoken out on issues representative of more
> > people in Canada (e.g. the right to assisted death) than Stockwell Day
ever
> > will.
>
> I have many of Svend's so-called issues that he sent to me on
> politics and the NDP's stand on international issues, most of them
> I find hardly credible in solving any of the issues he mentioned.
>
> > On the issue of Svend Robinson "hiring a hit man" for Stockwell Day....
> > wouldn't it be more likely to be the other way around? I mean, it's Day
> > who wants capital punishment returned to Canada.
>
> Yeh, along with about 70 per cent of the rest of the population.
>
> and isn't said that Paul Bernardo should be let out into the common
exercise area
> > amongst the other prisoners?
>
> I don't believe he ever said such a thing - you will have to
> show some proof of this statement Karen. Off the cuff remarks
> like this shows very shallow thinking on your part.
>
> We know who to fear in power, Jerry. And it isn't Svend Robinson.
>
> Your right the NDP will never gain power in Canada simply
> because they are totally out of touch with the Canadian
> peoplw and out of synch with the 21st century.
>
> Jerry H.
>
>
Alex Gariepy
"Chris" <rainb...@home.com> wrote:
> Hey Jerry,
>
> You want to live in a barbaric society where gun violence is rampant
> and the state puts undesirable minorities to death (A.K.A. Capital
> Punishment);
Um, how does Capital Punishment put minorities at a bigger risk than
any other person?
> THEN FUCKING MOVE THERE!
Well, ain't THAT statement convincing? 9_9
Oh, and what is this 'barbaric society' you're talking about anyways?
(As if I don't know what you're reffering to. :P)
>
> Not every Albertan is a wannabe American.
Not every Canadian is a wannabe "Canadian", either. (i.e. those
nationalist people Marlow is SO familiar with.)
> Like it or not, the Liberals and
> NDP are parties that make Canada, Canadian.
What? So having a different point of view is un-Canadian? This from a
country which is supposed to have a wide variety of cultures and
opinions?
> Don't like, move and vote
> Republican or KKK
> or whatever you social conservatives do or burn in your
> spare time.
And with that somewhat angry response, Chris' post draws to a close.
Sheesh, what a Friday. :P
Until then,
Alex Gariepy
"A week is a long time in politics." -- Harold Wilson, 1962
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>On 4 Sep 2000 20:57:29 GMT, ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Karen Gordon)
>wrote:
>>(K): You miss just a few points, Jerry.
>>
>>1. The majority of people in Canada DON'T WANT TO revisit the laws which
>>allow women the right to abortions.
>The polls show that a majority of CA supporters feel that way as well.
>If Day's not one of them, so what?
>
>>On the issue of Svend Robinson "hiring a hit man" for Stockwell Day....
>>wouldn't it be more likely to be the other way around? I mean, it's Day
>>said that Paul Bernardo should be let out into the common exercise area
>>amongst the other prisoners?
>Don't you think that in every political party there are people with
>views that cross the party lines with respect to abortion and capital
>punishment?
>I think that what people don't understand what's happening is that to
>a supporter of the CA it is almost irrelevant what Day's views are
>regarding these particular issues.
>
Steve Marskell
Alex Gariepy wrote:
>
> In article <0Tau5.2797$dr4....@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>,
> "Chris" <rainb...@home.com> wrote:
> > Hey Jerry,
> >
> > You want to live in a barbaric society where gun violence is rampant
> > and the state puts undesirable minorities to death (A.K.A. Capital
> > Punishment);
>
> Um, how does Capital Punishment put minorities at a bigger risk than
> any other person?
Minorities in the US form the largest group at the bottom of the
economic food chain. The price of an acquittal or getting life instead
of Capital Punishment is high very high, if you check the stats from any
prison in the US you'll find that the inmates on Death Row are almost
exclusively all from lower income minority) groups.
sunnyj...@my-deja.com
Why? Life is precious. It is the collectivists that are demonstrably
anti-life. Death with dignity? Really? Here, take this for your cold
gramps; you will just a have little nap and then... And Susy, I know you
are suffering so we are doing this for your own good, yes, being in a
wheel chair makes life not living so we will help you die.
And using abortion as state funded birth control is wrong. Chose is
fine, don't make me pay for your stupidity.
sunnyj...@my-deja.com
>
> You want to live in a barbaric society where gun violence is rampant
and the
> state puts undesirable minorities to death (A.K.A. Capital
Punishment);
Sorry, I missed the connection to state funded abortions and gun
ownership. Care to explain that one?
I do absolutely agree with you on capital punishment. The state should
not under any circumstance kill its citizens.
sunnyj...@my-deja.com
And it will always be. It has always been. We are not all equal at any
time. There are at least two sets of laws for the world. So if you want
to have the good laws, get some dough. Otherwise, try not to get caught
doing something stupid.
John Corman
>And using abortion as state funded birth control is wrong. Chose is
>fine, don't make me pay for your stupidity.
You're responding to my post and no where did I suggest that the state
should be paying for abortions.
tg...@home.com
http://www.nsnews.com/issues00/w091800/lautens-1.html
September 18, 2000
North Shore News
Trevor Lautens
Polls falsify abortion opinion
LET'S test your knowledge -- not your personal opinion:
A majority of Canadians favour abortion on demand (the present legal status of
abortion) -- yes or no?
If I can put it this way: I suspect that a majority of my readers think that a
majority of Canadians answer "Yes."
And if you read a new story that ran across the nation Aug. 31, it would seem
you're right.
Example: The banner headline in The Vancouver Sun read: "66% are pro-choice,
poll finds."
Well, that's that. Case closed. No room for argument, is there? So why don't
these pro-life types accept the democratic majority, acknowledge that
two-thirds of the people disagree with them, and slink away to dissolve like
any fringe movement such as the Flat Earth Society?
Here's why: Because no serious public issue is so open to fun with figures as
this one. Put another way: If you get the power to ask the question, you can
get the answer you -- or, in most cases, those who are paying for the poll --
want.
Environics, the pollster involved, posed this question: "Every woman who wants
to have an abortion should be able to have one." That drew the 66% affirmative
response.
Walter Szetela says the truth -- and the figures -- are almost exactly the
contrary.
Szetela, note, isn't a disinterested observer. He edits the newsletter of
Campaign Life Coalition B.C. Decades ago, in my role as a sometime
correspondence editor, his name became familiar to me. And, being as
vulnerable to mind-pictures as anyone, I imagined he belonged to a, um,
sincere but somewhat low socioeconomic class, maybe a clerk or small-town
shop-owner.
In fact Szetela was a University of B.C. professor (now professor emeritus),
and of mathematics at that. So he has real credentials -- certainly more than
that pro-choice female student who led in smashing a pro-life display at UBC
which, as usual, left the gutless university administration silent. Maybe too
busy preparing the next speech extolling the university as society's
flame-bearer of liberty and vehicle of free inquiry.
Szetela writes that the Environics poll is "extremely misleading ... because
it glaringly evades conditions under which those polled would support
abortion."
He has tracked Gallup Polls on this issue made almost every year since 1975.
The latest, last November, showed that a majority of those polled, 55%,
support abortion only in specific circumstances, and a further 15% approve of
abortion in no circumstances.
"This result, showing that 70% do not approve abortion on demand, the policy
prevailing in Canada today, is in complete contraposition to the narrowly
worded Environics poll," Szetela writes.
And the trend is slightly away from the majoritarian pro-choice support that
its proponents and their feminist allies in the media would have you believe.
Szetela says the Gallup figures show that between 1995 and 1999 support for
abortion in all circumstances fell from 35% to 28%, while opposition to
abortion in any circumstances rose from 13% to 15%.
Folks, I'll repeat myself: The Canadian establishment, from the elected
politicians -- with very honourable exceptions -- the government-funded
feminist organizations, the big media (again, some exceptions), the so-called
intellectuals, writers like Margaret Atwood who owes her reputation and sales
of her propagandistic novels to left-wing feminism, and the courts right up
the bigee in Ottawa that Bertha Wilson dominated and wrote the majority
opinion for in the 1988 case that institutionalized abortion on demand -- that
establishment wants to shut down any further public discussion of the issue
and stigmatize all dissidents from the party line as ignorant bigots and
Christian "fundamentalists."
That powerful class doesn't want you to think about it -- to prick the
(bubble) zone and really ponder what's going on. And the best way to prevent
that is for Big Sister to keep you not just uninformed but misinformed.