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Ken McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) $50,000+ Tax Evasion Exposed aka Re: Gosh Darn Uppity Juice!

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Ward Cleaver

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Jan 17, 2004, 7:37:16 AM1/17/04

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:11:20 GMT,
<c655a8bb1cfca781...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote
> in message <9i5h00tls8p1glrs8...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:25:57 -0800, <bu9rt...@enews2.newsguy.com> "Ken McVay,
>>OBC" <kmc...@nospamnizkor.org> wrote:
>
>>>"Sara Salzman"
>
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
>>Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
>>Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>
>No, he didn't. Because he didn't receive them.

Not according to his own web site and according to the San Antonio Express!!

From my latest archive cataloging The Nizkor Project of Nanaimo, British
Columbia Canada directed by Kenneth N. McVay:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=f7murv0qqpmcfa2ldce7epo9gtg5am23rl%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT
Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! R_1122
Message-ID: <f7murv0qqpmcfa2ld...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Nov 2003 13:01:32 GMT
AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

Selected excerpts:

The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431

Prologue:

"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)

My terse reply to Ken McVay's statement above: "You prove your lies are self
evident with your own words you tax dodger con-man liar!"

Ken McVay first denies receiving money from "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund." [documented and archived locally (in case the web pages get
pulled) and all URLs are given by me for verification purposes]

EXHIBIT 1:

<start/quote>
"What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I
direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund."

That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.

The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

For further information, review the file which Mr. Ellis and Mr. Bradbury
continue to ignore:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=9334m8%241nm1%241%40news.tht.net&rnum=3
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project
Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1...@news.tht.net>
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)

EXHIBIT 2: (McVay cited the link above and here are the contents in part)

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorWEB)

"Blakely" wrote in message
news:282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com...
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?

No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation... The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me -
or anyone else, to my knowledge...

The computers are in use to this day, confronting and refuting
Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with their operation,
maintanence or development.

You can verify their existence by visiting
http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.

I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should
you have further questions, I suggest that you contact Robert
Washington, Patrick Groff, Mark S. Freedman or Harry W. Mazal...

> Or did you lie (you seem to be good at that lately) about not
> having a Nizkor connection in San Antonio?

I have no connection in San Antonio, and neither does Nizkor. Get used
to it.

Exhibit 3:

<start/quote>
In article <3b80b9d6...@news.abccom.bc.ca>,
Ken Lewis <kle...@netbbistro.com> wrote:

[TubbyBlubber excised]

> As the sniveling, cowardly Bradshit well knows, there is no
> endowment fund nor a trust fund.

Incorrect. The San Antonio Area Foundation maintains an endowment fund
for any organization they support. Ten per cent of all monies donated
go directly into an endowment fund, so that, eventually, the fund
will fuel itself.

SAAF bylaws state that the first $10,000 donated must go into the
creation of an endowment fund maintained as a part of the trust.
That endowment fund, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the
Nizkor Project, nor has the Nizkor Project ever benefited from such a
fund.

It's entertaining watching BlubberBabble try to make sense of it all,
and it's worth noting that he hasn't contacted any of the people at
SAAF for further information, as I suggested. That suggests that, as
always, he doesn't give a rat's ass for the truth.

Duh.

<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=9l2g72%2423od%2...@news.tht.net&num=20&hl=en
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: BabbleTubby's Bullshit
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:35:30 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9l2g72$23od$1...@news.tht.net>
Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT3)

Exhibit 4: (Notice the public posting was made! December 30, 2002)

<start/quote>
The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation

(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
laughing at you.)
<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=xO%25P9.1985%24C43.1...@news.nnrp.ca&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
Reply-To: kmc...@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <xO%P9.1985$C43.13...@news.nnrp.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally McVay-12-30-2002DENIAL)

End of Kenneth McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) own documented words
denying he has ever received any money of benefit from the San Antonio Area
Foundation OR "The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ON THE OTHER HAND THESE DOCUMENTS PROVE MCVAY TO BE AN OUTRIGHT LIAR!!

Here is what the San Antonio Area Foundation reported for Year 2000:

<start/quote>
http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
[Link active for downloading and for verification November 20, 2003.
(I have already downloaded and archived the PDF in case it becomes
unavailable for some reason.)]

Our mission: Helping donors achieve their charitable goals
Annual Report 2000
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
San Antonio Area Foundation
Growing to Give, Giving to Grow

Page 3
Fund Types
The San Antonio Area Foundation is dedicated to improving the quality
of life in our community through funding that impacts vital nonprofit
organizations so they can help people in time of need.

Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These funds enable the Area Foundation to respond
flexibly to changing community needs and emergencies.
Decisions on how to most appropriately use these
funds are left to the discretion of the Area Foundation’s
Advisory Committees and Board of Directors. Any size
gift may be given as a discretionary gift.
You’ll find many reasonable options for creating your
own fund in the paragraphs that follow. However,
if you wish to contribute to the work of the Area
Foundation and do not see an option that suits your
plan for giving, we invite you to contribute to an
existing discretionary fund. One of the many advantages
of this type of giving is that there is no minimum
contribution — you may give as little or as much as
you wish, as often as you wish.

[...]

Unrestricted Net Assets
AS OF DECEMBER 31 , 2000
Discretionary (unrestricted) 20 %
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Donor Advised Funds 36 %
Designated Funds 4 %
Field of Interest Funds 23 %
Scholarship Funds 17 %

Page 4
Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alamo Fund
Phoebe P. and John H. Foster Memorial Fund
Nat and Mannie Goldsmith Memorial Trust
Ruth Lang Charitable Fund

[...]

Beulah M. and Felix J. Katz Memorial Trust
Beta and Melvin Leazar Memorial Fund
Nizkor Fund
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mary Kay Owens Memorial Fund
Gaynelle and Gene Rankin Endowment Trust

[...]

S A N A N T O N I O A R E A F O U N D A T I O N
Post Office Box 120366 I San Antonio, Texas 78212
210-225-2243 I 210-225-1980 Fax
w w w. s a a f d n . o r g

I could not find a report for Year 2001 BUT Year 2002 reads virtually the same
as Year 2000 and for a fact the "Nizkor Fund" received money from the San
Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"!!

http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/AnnRpt2002.pdf
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: AnnRpt2002)

The Nizkor Fund is listed again as being a recipient for Year 2002 yet Ken McVay
denies receiving ANY money from the San Antonio Area Foundation in a public
posting dated December 30, 2002!! I guess the San Antonio Area Foundation lies
about who it disburses funding to!!

Here is Ken McVay's very own Nizkor web site showing Ken McVay was a recipient
of San Antonio Area Foundation funding back in 1996!

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada...

The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.

Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
material from the National Archives in Washington.

Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
United States. Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
collections of Holocaust material... <END>

Here is a link to the original news source and its archive regarding the above
article which proves Ken McVay lied when he has plainly stated: "No one ever
gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio Area Foundation... The
San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge.
" (Quoted and source shown higher up in this post.)

http://archives.newsbank.com/ar-search/we/Archives?p_action=keyword&p_theme=SAEC&p_product=SAEC
At the link above enter "Nizkor $50,000" into the search field, and
select these options:
Return: Best Matches First
Limit Search by Source Name: San Antonio Express-News
Limit Search by Date:
Activate search and you get:

1 record(s) found (Search results: 1 - 1)

http://archives.newsbank.com/ar-search/we/Archives?p_action=search&p_perpage=20&p_product=SAEC&s_search_type=keyword&p_text_base=Nizkor+%2450%2C000&p_field_psudo-sort-0=psudo-sort&p_sort=_rank_%3AD&p_field_Source-0=Source&p_text_Source-0=Express&p_field_date-0=YMD_date&p_params_date-0=date%3AB%2CE&p_text_date-0=&p_field_YMD_date-0=YMD_date&p_field_YMD_date-0=YMD_date&p_params_YMD_date-0=date%3AB%2CE&xcal_ranksort=4&xcal_useweights=yes&%5B+Search+%5D.x=50&%5B+Search+%5D.y=13
(This is the link I got for the return below on November 21, 2003 12:35AM CST)
(Archived locally as: SAE-N080396)

August 3, 1996 San Antonio Express-News
Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten

Thomas Edwards Express-News Staff Writer

"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a solemn promise
Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to the Internet so that people will
never forget the atrocities of Nazi Germany. Now his task has gotten a little
easier with a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation
to the Nizkor Project, an international computer web site directed by the
55-year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.The Nizkor project

[View the full-text article, 526 words]
http://archives.newsbank.com/nojavascript.html

Remember folks Ken Mcvay stated higher up:

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorWEB)
"No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation..."

BUT Ken McVay's own web site content AND the San Antonio News Express show that
instead of: "No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San
Antonio Area Foundation..." we saw: "a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San
Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project"!!!! VERY BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

Now I ask everyone--Do any of you think Ken McVay reported that $50,000 (plus
all the other donations he gave thanks for) to the CCRA? Who would pay tax on
money they claim they never received YET obviously did according to all the
documentation?
DOES TAX FRAUD COME TO PEOPLE'S MINDS??
The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!

Attention lurkers-- these are the contacts to report Ken McVay:
Auditor - CCRA:
canadaint...@pwgsc.gc.ca, comm...@rc.gc.ca
For office phone numbers and addresses, please visit our "Contact us" page
at http://www.ccra.gc.ca/contact.

McVay lied when he said that $50,000 was donated to "the San Antonio Area
Foundation"-- that $50,000 was donated to Ken McVay and his Nizkor Project by
"the San Antonio Area Foundation"!! As a reminder Ken McVay did state these
words about liars being self evident in their lies (as quoted from higher up in
this post): "[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more
complicated-they're always contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself
becomes self-evident."

To further prove Ken McVay is a pathological liar and an obvious tax dodger here
he is mentioning the San Antonio Area Foundation as being one of his funding
sources yet remember Ken McVay is on record as stating: "Neither The Nizkor
Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

<start/quote>
From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has
never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
in service."

If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund then why did you give thanks?

More of Ken McVay plainly telling one and all that the San Antonio Area
Foundation is his American financing source:

<start/quote>
In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to...

[...]

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this
open, public response will satisfy your query.

By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
difference it makes who finances my work... you are still
slandering Germans, and the German military, and I fail to see
how my financing changes that.

The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
[Ftp] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
[Europe] ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn

<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=4pvbkg%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvbkg$a...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
(Archived locally as: SAAFfinances)

>This should be clear even to someone as delusional as yourself.

I do believe my documented facts are irrefutable and it is you who is denying
reality and is being delusional!!

Need I say more other than liar and tax cheat Kenneth N. McVay of Nanaimo,
British Columbia should be audited and prosecuted for tax evasion upon all the
documentation which testifies against him is verified! Canada should not be
subsidizing a deadbeat liar!

Other Ken McVay funding scams exposed in these archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhao2v4fbuij94mcmi6sicj73sa4eifsns%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <rhao2v4fbuij94mcm...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qa5trvoa3c6ella1o1j7btunqvcbjh9pt2%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
Message-ID: <qa5trvoa3c6ella1o...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Nov 2003 23:56:36 GMT

B'nai Brith also funded communist David Lethbridge:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2...@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT

=============================PLUS====================================
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=p0afnvchj52pcuh6c0dk78f9bs7ngfetac%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity R_0928
Message-ID: <p0afnvchj52pcuh6c...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67qc8v8192tumoaivq4joitsquts3t5bs8%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:12 GMT
Message-ID: <67qc8v8192tumoaiv...@4ax.com>

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Jan 17, 2004, 9:51:51 AM1/17/04

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote

in message <a3bi00h9bg878i4dt...@4ax.com>:

>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:11:20 GMT,
><c655a8bb1cfca781...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote
>> in message <9i5h00tls8p1glrs8...@4ax.com>:

>>>On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:25:57 -0800, <bu9rt...@enews2.newsguy.com> "Ken McVay,
>>>OBC" <kmc...@nospamnizkor.org> wrote:

>>>>"Sara Salzman"

>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
>>>Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
>>>Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund

>>No, he didn't. Because he didn't receive them.

>Not according to his own web site and according to the San Antonio Express!!

You misspelled "... to my deliberate misinterpretation of" these site,
SoB.

>EXHIBIT 1:
>
><start/quote>
>"What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I
>direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund."
>
>That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.
>
> The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
>States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"
>
>For further information, review the file which Mr. Ellis and Mr. Bradbury
>continue to ignore:
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
><end/quote>

Which link specifically states that:

<quote>

No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation.

</quote>

and

<quote>

I have no association with either organization, and never have.

</quote>

Which part of this are you having problems with?

Again, a very specific refutation of your baseless accusation.

>Exhibit 3:
>
><start/quote>
>In article <3b80b9d6...@news.abccom.bc.ca>,
>Ken Lewis <kle...@netbbistro.com> wrote:
>
>[TubbyBlubber excised]
>
>> As the sniveling, cowardly Bradshit well knows, there is no
>> endowment fund nor a trust fund.
>
>Incorrect. The San Antonio Area Foundation maintains an endowment fund
>for any organization they support. Ten per cent of all monies donated
>go directly into an endowment fund, so that, eventually, the fund
>will fuel itself.
>
>SAAF bylaws state that the first $10,000 donated must go into the
>creation of an endowment fund maintained as a part of the trust.
>That endowment fund, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the
>Nizkor Project, nor has the Nizkor Project ever benefited from such a
>fund.
>
>It's entertaining watching BlubberBabble try to make sense of it all,
>and it's worth noting that he hasn't contacted any of the people at
>SAAF for further information, as I suggested. That suggests that, as
>always, he doesn't give a rat's ass for the truth.
>
>Duh.
>
><end/quote>

Umm, you're supposed to be proving the opposite of what these quotes
are saying, SoB...

>Exhibit 4: (Notice the public posting was made! December 30, 2002)
>
><start/quote>
>The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
>United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
>money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
>on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
>me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
>and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.
>
>http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
>
>(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
>laughing at you.)
><end/quote>

Is it maybe the fact that both entities use the word "nizkor?" It's
not a trademarked term, you know...

>End of Kenneth McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) own documented words
>denying he has ever received any money of benefit from the San Antonio Area
>Foundation OR "The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

None of which was ever in dispute.

> ON THE OTHER HAND THESE DOCUMENTS PROVE MCVAY TO BE AN OUTRIGHT LIAR!!
>
>Here is what the San Antonio Area Foundation reported for Year 2000:
>
><start/quote>
>http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
>[Link active for downloading and for verification November 20, 2003.
>(I have already downloaded and archived the PDF in case it becomes
>unavailable for some reason.)]
>
>Our mission: Helping donors achieve their charitable goals
>Annual Report 2000
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>San Antonio Area Foundation
>Growing to Give, Giving to Grow

>[...]

>Page 4

>[...]

>Nizkor Fund

><end/quote>

>I could not find a report for Year 2001 BUT Year 2002 reads virtually the same
>as Year 2000 and for a fact the "Nizkor Fund" received money from the San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"!!
>
>http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/AnnRpt2002.pdf
>(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: AnnRpt2002)

Yes, SAAFDN has a fund they call the Nizkor fund. It is unrelated to
the web site of the same name. This has been explained to you
before--why do you continue to lie about it?

Okay, so a newspaper article makes the same error you did in assuming
that the fact that the same name is used, means that it's the same
entity. Newspapers make mistakes. Live with it.

>Now I ask everyone--Do any of you think Ken McVay reported that $50,000 (plus
>all the other donations he gave thanks for) to the CCRA?

And once again, I answer: "No, since it was not money her ever
received."

>Who would pay tax on
>money they claim they never received YET obviously did according to all the
>documentation?

"All the documentation" being a single newspaper article with an error
in it.

> DOES TAX FRAUD COME TO PEOPLE'S MINDS??
> The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!

And yet, you have whined about this to the authorities, who have
treated it with all the seriousness it deserved: a form letter.

>To further prove Ken McVay is a pathological liar and an obvious tax dodger here
>he is mentioning the San Antonio Area Foundation as being one of his funding
>sources yet remember Ken McVay is on record as stating: "Neither The Nizkor
>Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area
>Foundation - Nizkor Fund."
>
><start/quote>
>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>
>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>
> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>
>and should be mailed to:
>
> San Antonio Area Foundation
> Nizkor Fund
> P.O. Box 120366
> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>improvements in service.
>
><end/quote>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

Ah, *here's* the problem. The two *were* once associated. No money
changed hands between the two, and that association not longer
pertains.

Now, can we assume that you will stop telling this particular lie?

>You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has
>never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
>claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
>in service."
>
>If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
>Fund then why did you give thanks?

Because the SAAFDN does good work, similar to Nizkor?

>>This should be clear even to someone as delusional as yourself.

>I do believe my documented facts are irrefutable and it is you who is denying
>reality and is being delusional!!

Your documented facts are a single newspaper article, which touches on
a relationship which no longer exists and includes at least one error
of fact.

>Need I say more other than liar and tax cheat Kenneth N. McVay of Nanaimo,
>British Columbia should be audited and prosecuted for tax evasion upon all the
>documentation which testifies against him is verified! Canada should not be
>subsidizing a deadbeat liar!

Yes, why don't you tell us all what happened when you reported this to
the appropriate authorities?

Joebruno

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Jan 17, 2004, 2:11:52 PM1/17/04

Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<d5c73a411a9c7bd2...@news.teranews.com>...

Fatboy can't accept the fact that there is more than one Nizkor. It
took me about 2 seconds to look it up.

Joebruno

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Jan 17, 2004, 2:15:49 PM1/17/04

Ward Cleaver <Ward_C...@mayfield.net> wrote in message news:<a3bi00h9bg878i4dt...@4ax.com>...

> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:11:20 GMT,
> <c655a8bb1cfca781...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>

There is more than one Nizkor, idiot. I already posted this:

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Jan 17, 2004, 6:43:35 PM1/17/04

"Ward Cleaver" <Ward_C...@mayfield.net> wrote in message
news:a3bi00h9bg878i4dt...@4ax.com...

> I do believe my documented facts are irrefutable and it is you who is
denying
> reality and is being delusional!!

Your "facts" are quite refutable, and it's been done a number of times.

> Need I say more other than liar and tax cheat Kenneth N. McVay of Nanaimo,
> British Columbia should be audited and prosecuted for tax evasion upon all
the
> documentation which testifies against him is verified! Canada should not
be
> subsidizing a deadbeat liar!

Yes, you do need to say more. You need to apologise for your false claims,
smears, personal attacks, and allegations.

Hope this helps.

-pk

Ward Cleaver

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Jan 17, 2004, 10:21:18 PM1/17/04

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:51:51 GMT,
<d5c73a411a9c7bd2...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote
> in message <a3bi00h9bg878i4dt...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:11:20 GMT,
>><c655a8bb1cfca781...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>
>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>> someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote
>>> in message <9i5h00tls8p1glrs8...@4ax.com>:
>
>>>>On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:25:57 -0800, <bu9rt...@enews2.newsguy.com> "Ken McVay,
>>>>OBC" <kmc...@nospamnizkor.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>"Sara Salzman"

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund

>>>No, he didn't. Because he didn't receive them.
>
>>Not according to his own web site and according to the San Antonio Express!!
>
>You misspelled "... to my deliberate misinterpretation of" these site,
>SoB.

You are a liar! What is showed was actual content and in full context!

> <snip to>
>
>>EXHIBIT 1:
>>
>><start/quote>
>>"What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I
>>direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
>>Nizkor Fund."
>>
>>That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.
>>
>> The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
>>States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"
>>
>>For further information, review the file which Mr. Ellis and Mr. Bradbury
>>continue to ignore:
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
>><end/quote>
>
>Which link specifically states that:
>
> <quote>
>
>No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
>Area Foundation.
>
> </quote>

Contradicted with:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

>and

>
> <quote>
>
>I have no association with either organization, and never have.

Contradicted with:

<start/quote>
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed
(Archived locally as: NizkorUSA2)
Shofar FTP Archive File: camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed

[...]

--
Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/

And be sure to check out:
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/~fatbroad
<end/quote>

AND

<start/quote>
From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

AND

<start/quote>
..The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has

also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

AND

<start/quote>
My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests that I "interact" with Mr.
Zundel...

Harry W. Mazal OBE

Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org
Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org (Under construction - permanently!)
<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=33382a3d.653997048%40news.txdirect.net&rnum=2
From: hma...@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE)
Subject: Re: The New, "Interactive" Ernst Zundel
Date: 1997/03/25
Message-ID: <33382a3d....@news.txdirect.net>
(Archived locally as: Mazal2Nizkor)

Yet Ken McVay stated (as shown higher up): "The computers are in use to this

day, confronting and refuting Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with
their operation, maintanence or development. You can verify their existence by
visiting http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.
I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should

you have further questions, I suggest that you contact... Harry W. Mazal, OBE.."

CARE TO COUNT ALL THE LIEWS I HAVE EXPOSED MCVAY IN NOW ROGER?

> </quote>
>
>Which part of this are you having problems with?

The parts you keep deleting!

Quit deleting key parts of my post!

>>Exhibit 3:
>>
>><start/quote>
>>In article <3b80b9d6...@news.abccom.bc.ca>,
>>Ken Lewis <kle...@netbbistro.com> wrote:
>>
>>[TubbyBlubber excised]
>>
>>> As the sniveling, cowardly Bradshit well knows, there is no
>>> endowment fund nor a trust fund.
>>
>>Incorrect. The San Antonio Area Foundation maintains an endowment fund
>>for any organization they support. Ten per cent of all monies donated
>>go directly into an endowment fund, so that, eventually, the fund
>>will fuel itself.
>>
>>SAAF bylaws state that the first $10,000 donated must go into the
>>creation of an endowment fund maintained as a part of the trust.
>>That endowment fund, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the
>>Nizkor Project, nor has the Nizkor Project ever benefited from such a
>>fund.
>>
>>It's entertaining watching BlubberBabble try to make sense of it all,
>>and it's worth noting that he hasn't contacted any of the people at
>>SAAF for further information, as I suggested. That suggests that, as
>>always, he doesn't give a rat's ass for the truth.
>>
>>Duh.
>>
>><end/quote>
>
>Umm, you're supposed to be proving the opposite of what these quotes
>are saying, SoB...

If you would leave what I posted intact it is rather self explanatory you
dullard and defender of liars!

What I posted intact and to your shame:

<START>

>>Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
>>Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>
>No, he didn't. Because he didn't receive them.

Not according to his own web site and according to the San Antonio Express!!

From my latest archive cataloging The Nizkor Project of Nanaimo, British

Columbia Canada directed by Kenneth N. McVay:

AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He

Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

Selected excerpts:

The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431

Prologue:

My terse reply to Ken McVay's statement above: "You prove your lies are self
evident with your own words you tax dodger con-man liar!"

EXHIBIT 1:

<start/quote>
"What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I
direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund."

That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.

For further information, review the file which Mr. Ellis and Mr. Bradbury
continue to ignore:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
<end/quote>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=9334m8%241nm1%241%40news.tht.net&rnum=3
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project
Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1...@news.tht.net>

(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)

Exhibit 3:

<start/quote>
In article <3b80b9d6...@news.abccom.bc.ca>,
Ken Lewis <kle...@netbbistro.com> wrote:

[TubbyBlubber excised]

> As the sniveling, cowardly Bradshit well knows, there is no
> endowment fund nor a trust fund.

Duh.

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=9l2g72%2423od%2...@news.tht.net&num=20&hl=en
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: BabbleTubby's Bullshit
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:35:30 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9l2g72$23od$1...@news.tht.net>

Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT3)

Exhibit 4: (Notice the public posting was made! December 30, 2002)

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation

(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
laughing at you.)
<end/quote>

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=xO%25P9.1985%24C43.1...@news.nnrp.ca&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
Reply-To: kmc...@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <xO%P9.1985$C43.13...@news.nnrp.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT

(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally McVay-12-30-2002DENIAL)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ON THE OTHER HAND THESE DOCUMENTS PROVE MCVAY TO BE AN OUTRIGHT LIAR!!

Here is what the San Antonio Area Foundation reported for Year 2000:

Our mission: Helping donors achieve their charitable goals
Annual Report 2000
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
San Antonio Area Foundation
Growing to Give, Giving to Grow

Page 3

[...]

I could not find a report for Year 2001 BUT Year 2002 reads virtually the same
as Year 2000 and for a fact the "Nizkor Fund" received money from the San
Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"!!

http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/AnnRpt2002.pdf
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: AnnRpt2002)

The Nizkor Fund is listed again as being a recipient for Year 2002 yet Ken McVay

denies receiving ANY money from the San Antonio Area Foundation in a public
posting dated December 30, 2002!! I guess the San Antonio Area Foundation lies
about who it disburses funding to!!

Here is Ken McVay's very own Nizkor web site showing Ken McVay was a recipient

Here is a link to the original news source and its archive regarding the above
article which proves Ken McVay lied when he has plainly stated: "No one ever

gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio Area Foundation... The

San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge.
" (Quoted and source shown higher up in this post.)

http://archives.newsbank.com/ar-search/we/Archives?p_action=keyword&p_theme=SAEC&p_product=SAEC
At the link above enter "Nizkor $50,000" into the search field, and
select these options:
Return: Best Matches First
Limit Search by Source Name: San Antonio Express-News
Limit Search by Date:
Activate search and you get:

1 record(s) found (Search results: 1 - 1)

August 3, 1996 San Antonio Express-News

Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten

Thomas Edwards Express-News Staff Writer

55-year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.The Nizkor project

[View the full-text article, 526 words]
http://archives.newsbank.com/nojavascript.html

Remember folks Ken Mcvay stated higher up:

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation

(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorWEB)

"No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation..."

BUT Ken McVay's own web site content AND the San Antonio News Express show that

instead of: "No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San
Antonio Area Foundation..." we saw: "a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San
Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project"!!!! VERY BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

Now I ask everyone--Do any of you think Ken McVay reported that $50,000 (plus
all the other donations he gave thanks for) to the CCRA? Who would pay tax on

money they claim they never received YET obviously did according to all the
documentation?

DOES TAX FRAUD COME TO PEOPLE'S MINDS??
The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!

Attention lurkers-- these are the contacts to report Ken McVay:

Auditor - CCRA:
canadaint...@pwgsc.gc.ca, comm...@rc.gc.ca
For office phone numbers and addresses, please visit our "Contact us" page
at http://www.ccra.gc.ca/contact.

To further prove Ken McVay is a pathological liar and an obvious tax dodger here

he is mentioning the San Antonio Area Foundation as being one of his funding
sources yet remember Ken McVay is on record as stating: "Neither The Nizkor
Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

<start/quote>
From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has

never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
in service."

If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund then why did you give thanks?

More of Ken McVay plainly telling one and all that the San Antonio Area

Foundation is his American financing source:

<start/quote>
In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to...

[...]

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this

open, public response will satisfy your query.

<STOP>

>>Exhibit 4: (Notice the public posting was made! December 30, 2002)
>>
>><start/quote>
>>The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
>>United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
>>money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
>>on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
>>me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
>>and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.
>>
>>http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
>>
>>(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
>>laughing at you.)
>><end/quote>
>
>Is it maybe the fact that both entities use the word "nizkor?" It's
>not a trademarked term, you know...

Read my archive you oaf!

I am not lying and you keep trying to divert from the truth! That Nizkor Fund is
for McVay and m6y archive proved it!

Once again for you seeing how you are stupid:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-

year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada... <END>

AND

<start/quote>
From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

Yet Ken McVay claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation

has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection

with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but McVay's post above contradicts his
claim with McVay's very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor

Fund.. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service."

SO WHICH IS IT ROGER!?!?

So why did McVay post it at his own web site without any disclaimers to that
effect? BTW I have archived that web page and had other people do so and I have
JPEG snap shots of it should the tax cheat decide to add disclaimers now!

Why did McVay make numerous posts showing the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund" being a source of donations and why did he give thanks for
donations through the same fund if he had never received any which he is now
trying to foist as reality!?

Have you any idea what would be the back interest and penalties on over $50,000
that tax dodger hasn't reported should people demand the CCRA to do its duty?

BTW here is Laura Finsten (a Nizkor supporter) in her own words:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=Pine.SOL.3.96.97060...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: FinstenSAAF)
From: Laura Finsten <fin...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject: Re: Yet another Nazional Appliance Illiteracy Alert!
Date: 1997/06/08
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.97060...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA>

On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Michael wrote:

> All your b s aside above (as though Bnai Brith only took checks and
> gave them to Nizkor; all innocent and stuff. Ask any professional who
> deals with not-for-profits about the ease of shuffling funds.)

I have no idea how common such "shuffling [of] funds" may be. But the key
issue here is whether you have any evidence at all to support your much
repeatedly but utterly empty claim that this is the case with the
arrangement between Nizkor and B'nai Brith? I don't see any of you trying
to smear the San Antonio Area Foundation which, ironically, has probably
provided more funding for the project since it has a far larger pool of
donors to draw upon....

Laura Finsten stated: "the San Antonio Area Foundation which, ironically, has
probably provided more funding for the project since it has a far larger pool of
donors to draw upon" concerning McVay's Nizkor Project but McVay still claims:

"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received

any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." The San Antonio

Area Foundation has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has

any connection with the San Antonio Area Foundation." which current lies are
also contradicted with:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5m1sqg%24rse%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: McVayUmbrella)
From: Ken McVay (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Nizkor under B'nai B'rith auspices?!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <5m1sqg$rse$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>
Date: 1997/05/22

In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:

> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.

Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canadian
_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
required.

In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization....

Is McVay still going to insist he never "received any money from the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" in all that time?

WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY FOR THE TAX DODGER NOW ROGER???

>>Now I ask everyone--Do any of you think Ken McVay reported that $50,000 (plus
>>all the other donations he gave thanks for) to the CCRA?
>
>And once again, I answer: "No, since it was not money her ever
>received."

Not according to the irrefutable evidence I offered above! IOW your hero didn't
pay tax on it seeing how he is now trying to claim he never received one penny
from that fund though his numerous posts prove otherwise! Does the term AUDIT
come to mind Roger?

>>Who would pay tax on
>>money they claim they never received YET obviously did according to all the
>>documentation?
>
>"All the documentation" being a single newspaper article with an error
>in it.

I offered far more evidence than just that one news paper article you are now
implying has an error in it! Care to prove that article is in error? See how
foolish you look!?

>> DOES TAX FRAUD COME TO PEOPLE'S MINDS??
>> The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!
>
>And yet, you have whined about this to the authorities, who have
>treated it with all the seriousness it deserved: a form letter.

They are socialists who stick by their man and it would be too embarrassing for
the people who awarded a tax cheat the Order of British Columbia to have to
admit their recipient lies about his funding.

>>To further prove Ken McVay is a pathological liar and an obvious tax dodger here
>>he is mentioning the San Antonio Area Foundation as being one of his funding
>>sources yet remember Ken McVay is on record as stating: "Neither The Nizkor
>>Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area
>>Foundation - Nizkor Fund."
>>
>><start/quote>
>>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>>
>>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>>
>> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>>
>>and should be mailed to:
>>
>> San Antonio Area Foundation
>> Nizkor Fund
>> P.O. Box 120366
>> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>>
>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>improvements in service.
>>
>><end/quote>
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
>
>Ah, *here's* the problem. The two *were* once associated.

See how you contradicted what McVay has claimed! McVay claimed (as shown higher
up): "I have no association with either organization, and never have."

>No money changed hands between the two,

Not according to the records and to McVay's own postings!!!!!!

>and that association not longer pertains.

No longer? McVay claimed (as shown higher up): "I have no association with

either organization, and never have."

>Now, can we assume that you will stop telling this particular lie?

What lie? I have already proven McVay is lying and now I prove you to be a liar
for the liar!!

>>You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has
>>never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
>>claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
>>in service."
>>
>>If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
>>Fund then why did you give thanks?
>
>Because the SAAFDN does good work, similar to Nizkor?

Because they gave him funding and I noticed you deleted the post in your spin
doctoring but here it is again:

<start/quote>
From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has

If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund then why did you give thanks?

More of Ken McVay plainly telling one and all that the San Antonio Area

Foundation is his American financing source:

<start/quote>
In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to...

[...]

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this

open, public response will satisfy your query.

>>>This should be clear even to someone as delusional as yourself.

>
>>I do believe my documented facts are irrefutable and it is you who is denying
>>reality and is being delusional!!
>
>Your documented facts are a single newspaper article, which touches on
>a relationship which no longer exists and includes at least one error
>of fact.

I presented much more than one single news paper article you are now trying to
discredit and everyone reading this reply to your failed spin doctoring now and
in the future will see the Nizkor bunch for the liars they are!

>>Need I say more other than liar and tax cheat Kenneth N. McVay of Nanaimo,
>>British Columbia should be audited and prosecuted for tax evasion upon all the
>>documentation which testifies against him is verified! Canada should not be
>>subsidizing a deadbeat liar!
>
>Yes, why don't you tell us all what happened when you reported this to
>the appropriate authorities?

I already answered that stupid question higher up.

> <snip the Shame of Belleville once again recycling baseless,
> mindless accusations with even *less* objective support than this
> one...>

Once again personal attacks instead of documented facts BUT what can one expect
from a den of robbers?
Tavish The True

----NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay's Numerous Lies Regarding His Funding----

AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He

Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhao2v4fbuij94mcmi6sicj73sa4eifsns%404ax.com&rnum=1

Ward Cleaver

unread,

Jan 17, 2004, 10:22:52 PM1/17/04

On 17 Jan 2004 11:11:52 -0800, <bf3896a1.04011...@posting.google.com>
br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>Fatboy

Why don't you ever accept my challenge you stupid big mouth kike son of a bitch?

--To those people who can only hurl obese or fat insults I offer
the $10,000.00 Challenge for Edeikenites Who Won't Admit Yale Lied!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5oimrvs7agr9m92kj3q74a22vba99coeos%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The $10,000 Challenge to Ken McVay aka Re: Harold Covington & Scott
Bradbury: The Blubberbury Twins
Message-ID: <5oimrvs7agr9m92kj...@4ax.com>
References: <bpe9d...@enews3.newsguy.com>
Date: 19 Nov 2003 11:29:26 GMT
Original challenge was made: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:23:17 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4q0pbtc3gk6oour5opkjkj1q00geehk9n3%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken Making False Claims About My Medical Records...
Message-ID: <4q0pbtc3gk6oour5o...@4ax.com>
"NEW CHALLENGE: I will offer $1000.00 to anyone who will step up and
substantiate what Yale F. Edeiken claimed in his post about my Hermann
Hospital discharge diagnosis numbered 50 04882 6 9356."

Now go drop dead!
Tavish

Ward Cleaver

unread,

Jan 17, 2004, 10:30:40 PM1/17/04

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:43:35 -0500,
<IMjOb.26071$1K1.4...@news20.bellglobal.com> "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null>
wrote:

>Yes, you do need to say more. You need to apologise for your false claims,
>smears, personal attacks, and allegations.

Why don't you get McVay to sue me which will subject him to IRS jurisdiction and
they will be waiting for him seeing how a trial date would be set. McVay has
threatened to sue me before for posting the facts about his tax dodge so why
hasn't he followed through?

Tavish

Roger

unread,

Jan 17, 2004, 10:56:22 PM1/17/04

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote

in message <b0vj005h43ugegetk...@4ax.com>:

>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:51:51 GMT,
><d5c73a411a9c7bd2...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
>Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
>Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund

>>>>No, he didn't. Because he didn't receive them.

>>>Not according to his own web site and according to the San Antonio Express!!

>>You misspelled "... to my deliberate misinterpretation of" these site,
>>SoB.

>You are a liar! What is showed was actual content and in full context!

Which you then deliberately misinterpret to suit your need to
personally attack McVay, despite your claims not to rely on such.

>> <snip to>

>>>EXHIBIT 1:
>>>
>>><start/quote>
>>>"What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I
>>>direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
>>>Nizkor Fund."
>>>
>>>That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.
>>>
>>> The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
>>>States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>>>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"
>>>
>>>For further information, review the file which Mr. Ellis and Mr. Bradbury
>>>continue to ignore:
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
>>><end/quote>

>>Which link specifically states that:
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>>No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
>>Area Foundation.
>>
>> </quote>

>Contradicted with:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

Nope. A single newspaper article with an error in it doesn't
contradict anything credibly.

>>and
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>>I have no association with either organization, and never have.

>Contradicted with:
>
><start/quote>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed

Nope, nothing there indicating any personal association between McVay
and SAAF.

>AND
>
><start/quote>
>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>
>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>
> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>
>and should be mailed to:
>
> San Antonio Area Foundation
> Nizkor Fund
> P.O. Box 120366
> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>improvements in service.
>
><end/quote>

There is a difference between a personal association and to
organizations cooperating.

>AND
>
><start/quote>
>..The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
>also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.
>
>Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
>will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
>statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
>documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
>material from the National Archives in Washington.
>
>Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
>Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
>United States. Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
>collections of Holocaust material...
><end/quote>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
>(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
>11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Once again: nothing there indicating a personal association.

>AND
>
><start/quote>
>My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests that I "interact" with Mr.
>Zundel...
>
>Harry W. Mazal OBE

Finally, a personal association. But with another individual, not
with an organization.

>Yet Ken McVay stated (as shown higher up): "The computers are in use to this
>day, confronting and refuting Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with
>their operation, maintanence or development. You can verify their existence by
>visiting http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.
>I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should
>you have further questions, I suggest that you contact... Harry W. Mazal, OBE.."
>
>CARE TO COUNT ALL THE LIEWS I HAVE EXPOSED MCVAY IN NOW ROGER?

Sure: 0.

>> </quote>
>>
>>Which part of this are you having problems with?

>The parts you keep deleting!

Because they have no relevance to the issues I am discussing.

Nothing relevant was cut -- merely your misinterpretations.

The only liar here is you, SoB. The only thing I have snipped is your
rants, based on deliberate misinterpretation, with the goal of
personal attack.

Let me ask you straight: even if all you say of McVay is true, what
does that change about the historical facts of the Holocaust?

>>Is it maybe the fact that both entities use the word "nizkor?" It's
>>not a trademarked term, you know...

>Read my archive you oaf!

I have. There are two organizations which use the name Nizkor. That
their directors also happen to have been colleagues doesn't mean there
is any financial link between them, nor between either organization
and the other person.

No, it didn't.

>Once again for you seeing how you are stupid:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

Once again, tho you are incapable of understanding: This is a
newspaper. The newspaper made a mistake. There is no link between
the two organizations.

>Yet Ken McVay claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation
>has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but McVay's post above contradicts his
>claim with McVay's very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor
>Fund.. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>improvements in service."

Those funds were used to provide substantial improvements in service
for the SAAF.

Not Nizkor.

SAAF.

>SO WHICH IS IT ROGER!?!?

As above.

How show I know?

>BTW I have archived that web page and had other people do so and I have
>JPEG snap shots of it should the tax cheat decide to add disclaimers now!

Which will mean jack.

>Why did McVay make numerous posts showing the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund" being a source of donations and why did he give thanks for
>donations through the same fund if he had never received any which he is now
>trying to foist as reality!?

Because he was simply also mentioning a similar organization's method
of accepting donations. This does not mean they shared donations.

>Have you any idea what would be the back interest and penalties on over $50,000
>that tax dodger hasn't reported should people demand the CCRA to do its duty?

Moot, since he did not receive any of that $50k.

>BTW here is Laura Finsten (a Nizkor supporter) in her own words:

Which are not binding on either Nizkor nor on the SAAF, so

<snip>

>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5m1sqg%24rse%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
>(Archived locally as: McVayUmbrella)
>

>In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:
>
>> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
>
>Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canadian
>_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
>Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
>financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
>receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
>required.
>
>In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
>Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization....
>
><end/quote>

So comparing the one to the other means they are financially linked?

>Is McVay still going to insist he never "received any money from the
>"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" in all that time?

Why should he not, since it's the truth?

>WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY FOR THE TAX DODGER NOW ROGER???

Which tax dodger is that, SoB?

>>>Now I ask everyone--Do any of you think Ken McVay reported that $50,000 (plus
>>>all the other donations he gave thanks for) to the CCRA?

>>And once again, I answer: "No, since it was not money her ever
>>received."

>Not according to the irrefutable evidence I offered above!

Try again -- nothing there says that Ken received $50k.

>IOW your hero didn't
>pay tax on it seeing how he is now trying to claim he never received one penny
>from that fund though his numerous posts prove otherwise!

Wrong. Your deliberate misinterpretation of his posts lead you to
repeat this accusation ad nauseum.

What did CCRA say when you contacted them about this?

>Does the term AUDIT come to mind Roger?

No, the term "Usenet Kook of the Month" does.

>>>Who would pay tax on
>>>money they claim they never received YET obviously did according to all the
>>>documentation?

>>"All the documentation" being a single newspaper article with an error
>>in it.

>I offered far more evidence than just that one news paper article you are now
>implying has an error in it! Care to prove that article is in error? See how
>foolish you look!?

Yep. Definitive and unequivocal statements from all of the primaries
involved do so.

I'm not the one looking like the Kook you are, posting for no other
reason than to attack those who disagree with you.

>>> DOES TAX FRAUD COME TO PEOPLE'S MINDS??
>>> The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!

>>And yet, you have whined about this to the authorities, who have
>>treated it with all the seriousness it deserved: a form letter.

>They are socialists who stick by their man and it would be too embarrassing for
>the people who awarded a tax cheat the Order of British Columbia to have to
>admit their recipient lies about his funding.

Yeah, because after all, that's the only possible explanation for them
to have blown off the Shame of Belleville...

>>>To further prove Ken McVay is a pathological liar and an obvious tax dodger here
>>>he is mentioning the San Antonio Area Foundation as being one of his funding
>>>sources yet remember Ken McVay is on record as stating: "Neither The Nizkor
>>>Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation - Nizkor Fund."
>>>
>>><start/quote>
>>>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>>>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>>>
>>>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>>>
>>> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>>>
>>>and should be mailed to:
>>>
>>> San Antonio Area Foundation
>>> Nizkor Fund
>>> P.O. Box 120366
>>> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>>>
>>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>>improvements in service.
>>>
>>><end/quote>
>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

>>Ah, *here's* the problem. The two *were* once associated.

>See how you contradicted what McVay has claimed! McVay claimed (as shown higher
>up): "I have no association with either organization, and never have."

See how you misinterpret: I never said *McVay* was associated. I
said Nizkor and SAAF were.

>>No money changed hands between the two,

>Not according to the records and to McVay's own postings!!!!!!

False.

>>and that association not longer pertains.

>No longer? McVay claimed (as shown higher up): "I have no association with
>either organization, and never have."

The association between the organizations, SoB.

>>Now, can we assume that you will stop telling this particular lie?

>What lie? I have already proven McVay is lying and now I prove you to be a liar
>for the liar!!

The only liar here is you, SoB.

>>>You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has
>>>never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>>>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
>>>claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
>>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
>>>in service."
>>>
>>>If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
>>>Fund then why did you give thanks?

>>Because the SAAFDN does good work, similar to Nizkor?

>Because they gave him funding and I noticed you deleted the post in your spin
>doctoring but here it is again:

No, they didn't. Both principles have clearly stated this.

>>>>This should be clear even to someone as delusional as yourself.

>>>I do believe my documented facts are irrefutable and it is you who is denying
>>>reality and is being delusional!!

>>Your documented facts are a single newspaper article, which touches on
>>a relationship which no longer exists and includes at least one error
>>of fact.

>I presented much more than one single news paper article you are now trying to
>discredit and everyone reading this reply to your failed spin doctoring now and
>in the future will see the Nizkor bunch for the liars they are!

Sure. When is that new complaint about Yale going to be filed, SoB?

>>>Need I say more other than liar and tax cheat Kenneth N. McVay of Nanaimo,
>>>British Columbia should be audited and prosecuted for tax evasion upon all the
>>>documentation which testifies against him is verified! Canada should not be
>>>subsidizing a deadbeat liar!

>>Yes, why don't you tell us all what happened when you reported this to
>>the appropriate authorities?

>I already answered that stupid question higher up.

With a completely unsupported rant. They are in a much better
position to determine the merits of this case than a Kook from Texas,
don't you agree?

>> <snip the Shame of Belleville once again recycling baseless,
>> mindless accusations with even *less* objective support than this
>> one...>

>Once again personal attacks instead of documented facts BUT what can one expect
>from a den of robbers?

Since when am I a den of anything, let alone of robbers. Rogers,
maybe, if you take into account the various roles I have played -- but
I'm not *really* a different person on stage: I only look and act
differently.

Sorry to have confused you.

Ward Cleaver

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Jan 17, 2004, 11:31:31 PM1/17/04

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:56:22 GMT,
<c7f26592543f6399...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>Yeah, because after all, that's the only possible explanation for them

>to have blown off the Shame of Xxxxxx...

>With a completely unsupported rant. They are in a much better

>position to determine the merits of this case than a Kook from Xxxxx,
>don't you agree?
>
>>> <snip the Shame of Xxxxxx once again recycling baseless,

>>> mindless accusations with even *less* objective support than this
>>> one...>

YOU SHITS HAVE BEEN WARNED-- Soooooo-

Seeing how people like to post where I live then I will post where
the people live who made such info public in the first place!
Sara Salzman
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
4015 S Killarney Way
Aurora, Colorado 80013
http://kevdb.infospace.com/_1_26U9TCS04PZEGED__home/wp/detail/kevdb?KCFG=us&OTMPL=/wp/results_detail.htm&FF=1&QFM=N&QN=Salzman&QF=&QC=Aurora&QS=co&actnav=org&TQA=4015+S+Killarney+Way&TQC=aurora&TQS=co&QP=&QST=&QHN=&wqp=&QZ=80013&QK=1&QO=us&QD=&DM=751&&QI=0&jnum=1&jindex=0
(Archived locally as: infospace_Ssalzman)>>Public Information<<
I am being harassed by having my confidential information being posted along
with death threats, forged child porn ads being posted which give out my address
etc., having phoney sex offender lists posted which give out my address, having
magazine and catalog subscriptions forged in my identity etc. FOR A FACT it was
Yale F. Edeiken and Yale F. Edeiken alone who subpoenaed my confidential info
from my ISP and made the subpoenaed info public-- now let him receive justice
under the Law of Moses:
Just as has been done to me and is still being done to me and solely because
of Yale F. Edeiken exclusively I will apply the LAW he claims to observe to him:
Leviticus 24:19-20 :: New International Version (NIV)
19 If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him:
20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the
other, so he is to be injured.
Yale F. Edeiken
918 N Bayard St
Allentown PA 18104
Tel 610 435-9820
(Source: Court documents)
If Yale does not like getting back in kind what he has dished out in kind
under the Law of Moses then he should either:
1) Re-file his nut case lawsuit in the proper jurisdiction and get charged with
numerous criminal counts of perjury and legal system abuse
OR
2) Encourage his THUG allies to stop harassing me and invading my privacy!
The choice is his!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-1605042226560001%40ts005d08.den-co.concentric.net&rnum=1
From: cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
Subject: Re: Yale Now Admits To Distributing Subpoenaed Information to a Group
of People... Date: 2000/05/17
Message-ID: <catamont-160...@ts005d08.den-co.concentric.net>

>On Wed, 17 May 2000 03:28:14 GMT, "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
><iloU4.3589$v%5.26...@newshog.newsread.com> wrote:
>
>>Doc Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com> wrote in message
>>news:3921f38a....@news.flash.net...
:.
>>> You are forever archived here with your lies about your subpoena issued to
>>> get my unlisted telephone number and unlisted address and your lies about
>>> YOUR mailing list. All admissable in court--- your recent words too!
:.
>> None of which mean what you state they mean. Mailing something to a
>>group of people is NOT"a private mailing list."
:.
>So now I do have you on record admitting to: "Mailing something to a
>group of people..."
>
>Thanks for the final admission asswipe!
>
>The "something" you mailed to a group of people was confidential
>information obtained using a subpoena. What you have confessed to is
>illegal activity!

Wrong again, anti-Lawyer.It's not confidential, it's PUBLIC INFORMATION.
Check. Certified. or Jumpsuit.
The choice is yours.
Sara
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Roger

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Jan 17, 2004, 11:47:29 PM1/17/04

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote

in message <o13k00tb62ar4bm3m...@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:56:22 GMT,
><c7f26592543f6399...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>>Yeah, because after all, that's the only possible explanation for them
>>to have blown off the Shame of Xxxxxx...

>>With a completely unsupported rant. They are in a much better
>>position to determine the merits of this case than a Kook from Xxxxx,
>>don't you agree?

>>>> <snip the Shame of Xxxxxx once again recycling baseless,
>>>> mindless accusations with even *less* objective support than this
>>>> one...>

>YOU SHITS HAVE BEEN WARNED-- Soooooo-

Not that the Shame of Belleville ever resorts to personal attacks.

Patrick Keenan

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Jan 17, 2004, 11:48:56 PM1/17/04

"Ward Cleaver" <Ward_C...@mayfield.net> wrote in message

news:s4vj001qh1lrgrhbg...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:43:35 -0500,
> <IMjOb.26071$1K1.4...@news20.bellglobal.com> "Patrick Keenan"
<te...@dev.null>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes, you do need to say more. You need to apologise for your false
claims,
> >smears, personal attacks, and allegations.
>
> Why don't you get McVay to sue me

And how would I do that? I've never met the man and he lives a few
thousand miles from me.

> which will subject him to IRS jurisdiction

From that comment, you obviously know considerably less than you think.

He's already subject to their jurisdiction, since he still has US
citizenship. The IRS has done nothing. Neither has the CCRA. Surprise,
surprise.

> and they will be waiting for him seeing how a trial date would be set.

The IRS and CCRA have no need to wait for anything.

They have two sets of things:

First: the facts. They have all the tax returns and information for all
parties involved, and an intimate knowledge of the laws and regulations.
And, they have the laws and a professional enforcement staff on hand.

Second: *your* false claims, smears, personal attacks and allegations, and
we already know what those have produced - form letters. No other action
on the part of the usually tenacious tax bodies.

Were your claims true, the only issue would be who prosecuted first, Canada
or the US.

But thanks for divulging your plan.

> McVay has threatened to sue me before for posting the facts

That's not likely to be true.

Apparently neither the IRS or CCRA agree that what you've posted is factual,
since neither have taken any action. And you've been whining about it long
enough for action to have *been* taken if your claims had any merit.

So it can safely be taken that you are not in possession of facts, and that
what Mr. McVay has threatened to sue you for is posting lies, not facts.

> about his tax dodge

That's *your* false claim. It is obvious that neither the CCRA or the IRS
agree with you.

> so why hasn't he followed through?

Most probably because you have no significant or meaningful assets. Civil
remedies are usually measured in monetary terms. The indigent and poor
are thus generally pretty much judgement-proof.

Now, you really do need to get to work on that apology.

-pk

Roger

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Jan 18, 2004, 12:40:24 AM1/18/04

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote

in message <o13k00tb62ar4bm3m...@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:56:22 GMT,
><c7f26592543f6399...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>>Yeah, because after all, that's the only possible explanation for them
>>to have blown off the Shame of Xxxxxx...

>>With a completely unsupported rant. They are in a much better
>>position to determine the merits of this case than a Kook from Xxxxx,
>>don't you agree?

>>>> <snip the Shame of Xxxxxx once again recycling baseless,
>>>> mindless accusations with even *less* objective support than this
>>>> one...>

>YOU SHITS HAVE BEEN WARNED-- Soooooo-

BTW: can't refute the facts, so you're resorting to personal attacks
again, SoB?

Larry Mondello

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Jan 18, 2004, 4:17:40 PM1/18/04

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From: Roger <roger@ . >
Subject: Re: Ken McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) $50,000+ Tax Evasion
Exposed aka Re: Gosh Darn Uppity Juice!
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:56:22 GMT,
<c7f26592543f6399...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote
> in message <b0vj005h43ugegetk...@4ax.com>:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=b0vj005h43ugegetk...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

Lurkers click the link above to see my unscathed post to which Roger is now
replying to and has butchered.

>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:51:51 GMT,
>><d5c73a411a9c7bd2...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
>>Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
>>Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>
>>>>>No, he didn't. Because he didn't receive them.
>
>>>>Not according to his own web site and according to the San Antonio Express!!
>
>>>You misspelled "... to my deliberate misinterpretation of" these site,
>>>SoB.
>
>>You are a liar! What is showed was actual content and in full context!
>
>Which you then deliberately misinterpret to suit your need to
>personally attack McVay, despite your claims not to rely on such.

If what you claim is so then why didn't you leave it all in as evidence to your
claim? I MISINTERPRETED nothing!!! I have shown documents which were quoted in
full context which have been archived and easily verified by any and all whereas
all you have done is delete my proofs and have diarrhea of the mouth!

>>> <snip to>
>
>>>>EXHIBIT 1:
>>>>
>>>><start/quote>
>>>>"What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I
>>>>direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
>>>>Nizkor Fund."
>>>>
>>>>That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.
>>>>
>>>> The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
>>>>States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>>>>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"
>>>>
>>>>For further information, review the file which Mr. Ellis and Mr. Bradbury
>>>>continue to ignore:
>>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
>>>><end/quote>
>
>>>Which link specifically states that:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>>
>>>No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
>>>Area Foundation.
>>>
>>> </quote>
>
>>Contradicted with:
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
>
>Nope. A single newspaper article with an error in it doesn't
>contradict anything credibly.

Why don't you leave what I posted intact you lying bastard which was and which
contradicts what McVay stated:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

>>>and

>>>
>>> <quote>
>>>
>>>I have no association with either organization, and never have.
>
>>Contradicted with:
>>
>><start/quote>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed
>
>Nope, nothing there indicating any personal association between McVay
>and SAAF.

Why don't you leave what I posted intact you lying bastard which was and which
contradicts what McVay stated:

<start/quote>
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed
(Archived locally as: NizkorUSA2)
Shofar FTP Archive File: camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed

[...]

--
Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/

And be sure to check out:
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/~fatbroad
<end/quote>

>>AND

>>
>><start/quote>
>>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>>
>>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>>
>> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>>
>>and should be mailed to:
>>
>> San Antonio Area Foundation
>> Nizkor Fund
>> P.O. Box 120366
>> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>>
>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>improvements in service.
>>
>><end/quote>
>
>There is a difference between a personal association and to
>organizations cooperating.

Your poor attempt at spin doctoring is failing Roger or are you Ken McVay hiding
behind the NYM of Roger? The above is concerning funding not cooperating!

>>AND
>>
>><start/quote>
>>..The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
>>also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.
>>
>>Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
>>will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
>>statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
>>documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
>>material from the National Archives in Washington.
>>
>>Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
>>Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
>>United States. Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
>>collections of Holocaust material...
>><end/quote>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
>>(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
>>11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)
>
>Once again: nothing there indicating a personal association.

The following proves a "personal association"!

>>AND
>>
>><start/quote>
>>My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests that I "interact" with Mr.
>>Zundel...
>>
>>Harry W. Mazal OBE
>
>Finally, a personal association. But with another individual, not
>with an organization.

You just contradicted your claim you made just above!!!! My but you are stupid
and desperate too! First you say: "Once again: nothing there indicating a
personal association." and then you say: "Finally, a personal association. But
with another individual, not with an organization." and all dealing with Mazal
and McVay!

>>Yet Ken McVay stated (as shown higher up): "The computers are in use to this
>>day, confronting and refuting Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with
>>their operation, maintanence or development. You can verify their existence by
>>visiting http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.
>>I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should
>>you have further questions, I suggest that you contact... Harry W. Mazal, OBE.."
>>
>>CARE TO COUNT ALL THE LIEWS I HAVE EXPOSED MCVAY IN NOW ROGER?
>
>Sure: 0.

My but you are in denial Roger or are you Ken McVay hiding behind the NYM of
Roger? You always seem to be McVay's staunchest defender too!

>>> </quote>
>>>
>>>Which part of this are you having problems with?
>
>>The parts you keep deleting!
>
>Because they have no relevance to the issues I am discussing.

IOW you can't refute the facts and your discussion is a diversion from
documented facts!

You deleted my proofs which you say are my misinterpretations!
If I did such it would have been to your advantage to leave them in and point
tit out rather than delete them and then make your false claim!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=b0vj005h43ugegetk...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Lurkers click the link above to see my unscathed post to which Roger is now
replying to and has butchered.

>Let me ask you straight: even if all you say of McVay is true, what
>does that change about the historical facts of the Holocaust?

It proves if McVay is dishonest (which he is) about his funding then he is very
likely to be dishonest in other areas of his life.

> <snip mindless repetition of rants, the relevant parts of which have
> already been responded to>

You haven't responded to what I have posted. You snip it and then comment on
what you think instead of leaving what I posted intact and proving it to be in
error!

>>>Is it maybe the fact that both entities use the word "nizkor?" It's
>>>not a trademarked term, you know...
>
>>Read my archive you oaf!
>
>I have. There are two organizations which use the name Nizkor. That
>their directors also happen to have been colleagues doesn't mean there
>is any financial link between them, nor between either organization
>and the other person.

Once again because you are a hard head and I want the lurkers to see you for
what you are:

On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Michael wrote:

"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received

any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." The San Antonio

Area Foundation has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has

any connection with the San Antonio Area Foundation." which current lies are
also contradicted with:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5m1sqg%24rse%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: McVayUmbrella)

From: Ken McVay (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Nizkor under B'nai B'rith auspices?!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <5m1sqg$rse$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>
Date: 1997/05/22

In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:

In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization....

Is McVay still going to insist he never "received any money from the

"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" in all that time?

WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY FOR THE TAX DODGER NOW ROGER???

CARE TO DENY THESE PROOFS AS WELL?

<start/quote>
From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
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From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

Ken McVay has claimed: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me, or

Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection with the San Antonio

Area Foundation" but McVay contradicts himself with his very own words of: "SAN

ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund.. The funds you have provided have been
used to provide substantial improvements in service."

If Ken McVay never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund then why did he give thanks?

Care to deny Ken McVay posted:

From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

as shown above? What is going to be your dodge this time Roger? Snipping out
these parts too and telling us all they were irrelevant?!

More of Ken McVay plainly telling one and all that the San Antonio Area
Foundation is his American financing source:

<start/quote>
In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to...

[...]

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this

open, public response will satisfy your query.

Care to deny McVay was stating the: "San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund"
of "P.O. Box 120366 San Antonio, TX 78212-9566" was/is financing his Nizkor
Project?

>>>>End of Kenneth McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) own documented words
>>>>denying he has ever received any money of benefit from the San Antonio Area
>>>>Foundation OR "The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund."
>
>>>None of which was ever in dispute.

It is in dispute because documents prove otherwise that he has received over
$50,000 from SAAF Nizkor Fund which he has obviously not paid taxes on! Ken
McVay's web site is neither a non-profit organization nor a charity so it is not
tax exempt! If he gets donations he MUST pat taxes on them!

>>for McVay and my archive proved it!
>
>No, it didn't.

Remain in denial you bloody fool but people with sense see your dodge and two
step for what it is!

>>Once again for you seeing how you are stupid:
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
>
>Once again, tho you are incapable of understanding: This is a
>newspaper. The newspaper made a mistake.

There is no disclaimer to that effect at McVay;s web site and also al the other
documents I have posted prove it so too!

>There is no link between the two organizations.

I already slam dunked you higher up in this current reply numerous times!

>>Yet Ken McVay claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation
>>has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but McVay's post above contradicts his
>>claim with McVay's very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor
>>Fund.. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>improvements in service."
>
>Those funds were used to provide substantial improvements in service
>for the SAAF.

NOPE!! Those funds are doled out by the SAAF and McVay was the recipient and he
obviously has not reported them on his tax returns!

Well seeing how you claim the news paper article was in error one would think
you would know seeing how you seem to know the article was in error! So you
still claim the article erred on who received the $50,000 and where the
recipient lives which was: "a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San Antonio

Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project, an international computer web site
directed by the 55- year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada..."

All of that is an error then in your estimation!

>>BTW I have archived that web page and had other people do so and I have
>>JPEG snap shots of it should the tax cheat decide to add disclaimers now!
>
>Which will mean jack.

It will prove he tried to cover his tracks!

>>Why did McVay make numerous posts showing the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
>>Nizkor Fund" being a source of donations and why did he give thanks for
>>donations through the same fund if he had never received any which he is now
>>trying to foist as reality!?
>
>Because he was simply also mentioning a similar organization's method
>of accepting donations. This does not mean they shared donations.

You had better re-read what is making you look like the total ass of the
century! They didn't share donations and I never made that claim- the san
Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund channeled American dollars to Ken McVay's
Canadian based Nizkor Project which all the documentation proves!

I.E. (once again because you are stupid Roger):

<start/quote>
From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In article <5SEP1996...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:

>>McVay, Kenneth (KM1343) kmc...@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA
>> 462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue
>> Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
>> CA
>> 1-604-382-0615
> As Giwer has been so kind to repeatedly post this address, I would like
> to point out that while this is not the best address to use, you can
> send contributions to the Nizkor Project to this address. They will be
> properly received and placed to good use. You will receive a Canadian
> Tax receipt for your donation (which will work just fine in Canada no
> matter what Matt Giwer insists). If you wish to make an American
> contribution for an American tax receipt, there is a different address
> (which maybe Giwer will decide to post one day.)

Correct - but using that address may result in a delay of up
to a month in issuance of your receipt. It would be best to
use the address posted at http://www.nizkor.org/funding.html:

Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St.
Victoria, BC
V8W 2J3

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

We thank Dr. Mittleman for pointing this out, and thank all of
you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
Project.

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
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From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

AND

In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to

Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project

and mail them to:

Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St.
Victoria, BC
V8W 2J3

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this

open, public response will satisfy your query.

Now once again Roger-- who did McVay claim as financing HIS work in the archive
above? Answer: "Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project" AND
"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund" and he did use such phrases (in
reference to the two financial sources): "I am financed by thousands of "just

plain folks" who wish to support my work. In Canada, they make their cheques

payable to Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project" AND "In the United States,
they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
and also McVay did state: "tell us what difference it makes who finances my
work... I fail to see how my financing changes that."

Care to remain in denial Roger? How are you going to spin doctor the above? Snip
it out of your reply and then claim I misinterpreted what your pal stated!?

>>Have you any idea what would be the back interest and penalties on over $50,000
>>that tax dodger hasn't reported should people demand the CCRA to do its duty?
>
>Moot, since he did not receive any of that $50k.

Documented facts prove otherwise Roger! McVay claims: "Neither The Nizkor

Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area

Foundation - Nizkor Fund" YET the above contradicts McVay and those are his own
words I have been quoting!!!!

>>BTW here is Laura Finsten (a Nizkor supporter) in her own words:
>
>Which are not binding on either Nizkor nor on the SAAF, so
>
> <snip>

Can't stand those proofs can you Ken er I mean Roger!

>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5m1sqg%24rse%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
>>(Archived locally as: McVayUmbrella)
>>
>>In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:
>>
>>> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>>>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>>>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>>>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>>>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
>>
>>Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canadian
>>_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
>>Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
>>financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
>>receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
>>required.
>>
>>In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
>>Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization....
>>
>><end/quote>
>
>So comparing the one to the other means they are financially linked?

All of what you keep snipping and ignoring does and you aren't helping your case
by using such tactics either!

>>Is McVay still going to insist he never "received any money from the
>>"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" in all that time?
>
>Why should he not, since it's the truth?

Not according to the numerous documents I have presented and which are
verifiable by any and all!

>>WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY FOR THE TAX DODGER NOW ROGER???
>
>Which tax dodger is that, SoB?

Are you admitting to being a tax dodger too Roger? You're too ignorant to see
your faux paus BUT then again YOU just may be Ken McVay hiding behind the Roger
nym too!

>>>>Now I ask everyone--Do any of you think Ken McVay reported that $50,000 (plus
>>>>all the other donations he gave thanks for) to the CCRA?
>
>>>And once again, I answer: "No, since it was not money her ever
>>>received."
>
>>Not according to the irrefutable evidence I offered above!
>
>Try again -- nothing there says that Ken received $50k.

WRONG!!!!!!!

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-

year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada... <END>

WHOSE WEB SITE IS THE ABOVE FROM ROGER?
I SEE: http://www.nizkor.org AND I don't see a disclaimer stating the article
featured has one error in it!

>>IOW your hero didn't pay tax on it seeing how he is now trying to claim he
>>never received one penny from that fund though his numerous posts prove otherwise!
>
>Wrong. Your deliberate misinterpretation of his posts lead you to
>repeat this accusation ad nauseum.

I misrepresented nothing and you know it!

>What did CCRA say when you contacted them about this?

I got no reply and I didn't expect one for the same reason the IRS wouldn't
reply in similar manner. Canada is moving from a socialist government to the
right and the CCRA is being restaffed and perhaps they will take a keen interest
in collecting back taxes and penalties from a deadbeat!

>>Does the term AUDIT come to mind Roger?
>
>No, the term "Usenet Kook of the Month" does.

Name call won't make the facts go away and sooner or later McVay will have to
pay the piper as Canada moves more and more to the right and the interest on
those back taxes and penalties keeps mounting at a geometric rate! I will die
laughing when his house built upon sand collapses or should I say that new condo
he bought (gets confiscated for back taxes) in the same time period he got the
$50,000 he now claims he never got!

Canadian tax payers do your duty and report the bum and use the archive below
for your report:

AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He

Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

These are the contacts to report Ken McVay:

Auditor - CCRA:
canadaint...@pwgsc.gc.ca, comm...@rc.gc.ca
For office phone numbers and addresses, please visit our "Contact us" page
at http://www.ccra.gc.ca/contact.

>>>>Who would pay tax on money they claim they never received YET obviously did

>>>>according to all the documentation?
>
>>>"All the documentation" being a single newspaper article with an error
>>>in it.
>
>>I offered far more evidence than just that one news paper article you are now
>>implying has an error in it! Care to prove that article is in error? See how
>>foolish you look!?
>
>Yep. Definitive and unequivocal statements from all of the primaries
>involved do so.
>
>I'm not the one looking like the Kook you are, posting for no other
>reason than to attack those who disagree with you.

They smear me and they do it at tax payer expense in the case of McVay!

>>>> DOES TAX FRAUD COME TO PEOPLE'S MINDS??
>>>> The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!
>
>>>And yet, you have whined about this to the authorities, who have
>>>treated it with all the seriousness it deserved: a form letter.
>
>>They are socialists who stick by their man and it would be too embarrassing for
>>the people who awarded a tax cheat the Order of British Columbia to have to
>>admit their recipient lies about his funding.
>
>Yeah, because after all, that's the only possible explanation for them

>to have blown off the Shame of Xxxxx

Where I live is irrelevant!

>>>>To further prove Ken McVay is a pathological liar and an obvious tax dodger here
>>>>he is mentioning the San Antonio Area Foundation as being one of his funding
>>>>sources yet remember Ken McVay is on record as stating: "Neither The Nizkor
>>>>Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area
>>>>Foundation - Nizkor Fund."
>>>>
>>>><start/quote>
>>>>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>>>>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>>>>
>>>>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>>>>
>>>> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>>>>
>>>>and should be mailed to:
>>>>
>>>> San Antonio Area Foundation
>>>> Nizkor Fund
>>>> P.O. Box 120366
>>>> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>>>>
>>>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>>>improvements in service.
>>>>
>>>><end/quote>
>>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
>
>>>Ah, *here's* the problem. The two *were* once associated.
>
>>See how you contradicted what McVay has claimed! McVay claimed (as shown higher
>>up): "I have no association with either organization, and never have."
>
>See how you misinterpret: I never said *McVay* was associated. I
>said Nizkor and SAAF were.

You lose track of your claims. You also edited the post too! Here is the above
unedited by you:

<START>

>><start/quote>
>>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>>
>>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>>
>> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>>
>>and should be mailed to:
>>
>> San Antonio Area Foundation
>> Nizkor Fund
>> P.O. Box 120366
>> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>>
>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>improvements in service.
>>
>><end/quote>
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
>
>Ah, *here's* the problem. The two *were* once associated.

See how you contradicted what McVay has claimed! McVay claimed (as shown higher
up): "I have no association with either organization, and never have."

>No money changed hands between the two,

Not according to the records and to McVay's own postings!!!!!!

>and that association not longer pertains.

No longer? McVay claimed (as shown higher up): "I have no association with
either organization, and never have."

>Now, can we assume that you will stop telling this particular lie?

What lie? I have already proven McVay is lying and now I prove you to be a liar
for the liar!!

>>You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has

>>never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
>>claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
>>in service."
>>
>>If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
>>Fund then why did you give thanks?
>
>Because the SAAFDN does good work, similar to Nizkor?

Because they gave him funding and I noticed you deleted the post in your spin
doctoring but here it is again:

From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

<end/quote>
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From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support

Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
(Archived locally as: Thanks2SAAF)

<STOP>

End of restoring my words from Roger's crafty edits.

>>>No money changed hands between the two,
>
>>Not according to the records and to McVay's own postings!!!!!!
>
>False.

The above proves you to be a liar!

>>>and that association not longer pertains.
>
>>No longer? McVay claimed (as shown higher up): "I have no association with
>>either organization, and never have."
>
>The association between the organizations, SoB.

You're the S O B

>>>Now, can we assume that you will stop telling this particular lie?
>
>>What lie? I have already proven McVay is lying and now I prove you to be a liar
>>for the liar!!
>
>The only liar here is you, SoB.

Keep running your mouth McVay er I mean Roger.

>>>>You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has
>>>>never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>>>>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
>>>>claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
>>>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
>>>>in service."
>>>>
>>>>If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
>>>>Fund then why did you give thanks?
>
>>>Because the SAAFDN does good work, similar to Nizkor?
>
>>Because they gave him funding and I noticed you deleted the post in your spin
>>doctoring but here it is again:
>
>No, they didn't. Both principles have clearly stated this.
>
> <snip mindless repetition of rants, the relevant parts of which have
> already been responded to>

Can't deal with facts so you snip snip snip!

>>>>>This should be clear even to someone as delusional as yourself.
>
>>>>I do believe my documented facts are irrefutable and it is you who is denying
>>>>reality and is being delusional!!
>
>>>Your documented facts are a single newspaper article, which touches on
>>>a relationship which no longer exists and includes at least one error
>>>of fact.
>
>>I presented much more than one single news paper article you are now trying to
>>discredit and everyone reading this reply to your failed spin doctoring now and
>>in the future will see the Nizkor bunch for the liars they are!
>
>Sure. When is that new complaint about Yale going to be filed, SoB?

That is for me to know and that bastard to find out! I am still waiting on
documents from the Clerk of Courts in Allentown!

>>>>Need I say more other than liar and tax cheat Kenneth N. McVay of Nanaimo,
>>>>British Columbia should be audited and prosecuted for tax evasion upon all the
>>>>documentation which testifies against him is verified! Canada should not be
>>>>subsidizing a deadbeat liar!
>
>>>Yes, why don't you tell us all what happened when you reported this to
>>>the appropriate authorities?
>
>>I already answered that stupid question higher up.
>
>With a completely unsupported rant. They are in a much better
>position to determine the merits of this case than a Kook from Texas,
>don't you agree?
>
>>> <snip the Shame of Belleville once again recycling baseless,
>>> mindless accusations with even *less* objective support than this
>>> one...>
>
>>Once again personal attacks instead of documented facts BUT what can one expect
>>from a den of robbers?
>
>Since when am I a den of anything, let alone of robbers. Rogers,
>maybe, if you take into account the various roles I have played -- but
>I'm not *really* a different person on stage: I only look and act
>differently.
>
>Sorry to have confused you.

The only person who is confused is you!
Tavish

--Criminal Yale F. Edeiken's deplorable record:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)

Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^^^
<STOP>

A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)

The Disciplinary Board was content to give Yale F. Edeiken a "private reprimand"
but he continued to act like the psychotic nut case he is and defied them and
refused to appear at his hearing more than once! He was then "forced" to appear
and the "private reprimand" had escalated to "PUBLIC CENSURE" by the highest
court of that bastard's state! Furthermore the Disciplinary Board closed with:
"It is further ORDERED that respondent [Yale F. Edeiken] shall pay costs to the
Disciplinary Board pursuant to Rule 208(g), PaR.D.E." IOW Yale had to pay the
Disciplinary Board to "kick his shyster ass" AFTER the Disciplinary Board of the
Supreme Court of the State of Pennsylvania had to serve numerous notices upon
him and compel him to attend his disciplinary hearing!! Yale also had to pay for
all costs of the investigation too! It's all detailed in that PDF file!! GO
LOOK!!

BTW Yale F. Edeiken had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and
Yale had received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995! Then the bastard got "PUBLIC
CENSURE" in 1998!!! Looks like Yale F. Edeiken is real shining example of the
legal profession doesn't it? Why that shyster still has his law license is a
mystery to me! His assaulting a Deputy Sheriff should have done him in- in 1990!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3921e1e6.182032557%40news.newsguy.com&rnum=1
From: doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
Date: 2000/05/17
Message-ID: <3921e1e6....@news.newsguy.com>

Yale is also a perjurer who also makes criminal death threats using subpoenaed
information:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com
Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=gsk76vcng7f0cugmimalglbno6bmgmslhk%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken Admits Sending Death Threats Over The Internet is a
Federal Crime (Which He Has Done!)
Message-ID: <gsk76vcng7f0cugmi...@4ax.com>

Special Note: Yale F. Edeiken Esq. of Allentown, Pennsylvania- Supreme Court
ID# 40290 has falsely asserted he was associated with the two law firms
mentioned below-- Todd Miller & Associates and Trainor Law Offices. Both law
firms told me first hand that Yale F. Edeiken was never an attorney at their
firms!! That is fact!
(Archived locally as: YaleTheNut)
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=SH9g7.634%247d....@newshog.newsread.com&lr=&hl=en
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
Message-ID: <SH9g7.634$7d.2...@newshog.newsread.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT

Defendant Bradshit <rdoc_...@my-deja.cpm, tavi...@ix.netcom,com> wrote
in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioi...@4ax.com...

[...]

> Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced
> themselves from you

Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
wanted to go away as quckly as possible.

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Compare what Yale said on August 20, 2001 concerning two law firms attitudes
toward his presence with his own words: "they were dealing with someone who was
"mentally unstable" (their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their
description) who they wanted to go away as quckly as possible" to this which was
posted July 4, 2000: "Tubby has no respect from the legal community and as a
whole they wish he'd just waddle away."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=20000704143439.5399.qmail%40nym.alias.net&rnum=4
From: SoloP...@nym.alias.net
Subject: Yale _Tubby_ Edeiken
Date: 2000/07/04
Message-ID: <200007041434...@nym.alias.net>

Larry Mondello

unread,

Jan 18, 2004, 4:21:24 PM1/18/04

When my right to privacy and my right to feel safe and secure is violated by
shit such as you I will ALWAYS return in kind to those who violated my rights in
the first place which is not a personal attack BUT swinging back at the bullies
who swung the first punch! Keep it up and I will do it again!

Now go fist yourself and if you don't know how then get sara to each you seeing
how she is the expert!

Tavish

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote
The FIST Postings! Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT
Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She
Wrote The FIST Postings! Date: 18 Dec 2003 06:13:32 GMT
Message-ID: <ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com>
Despite overwhelming evidence Sara "The Fist" will keep repeating
her lies and remain in denial.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
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From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
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NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
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Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
and "fisting" herself!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Is Sara "The Whipped" Salzman Still Being Whipped by Her Husband's
Electric Whipping Machine?
Message-ID: <0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Dec 2003 22:00:00 GMT

Larry Mondello

unread,

Jan 18, 2004, 4:21:41 PM1/18/04

When my right to privacy and my right to feel safe and secure is violated by

Tavish

_______________________________________________________________________________

Ken Lewis

unread,

Jan 18, 2004, 4:46:24 PM1/18/04

On 18 Jan 2004 21:17:40 GMT, Larry Mondello
<larry_m...@mayfield.net> wrote:

[snip tons of Bradshit blather]

>"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
>solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
>the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
>Nazi Germany.

>Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
>the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
>Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
>year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada...

Did Ken or Nizkor actually receive any money, Bradshit? No he didn't
and this has been explained to you a couple of hundred times. You are
a compulsive liar.

Did Ken ever own the computers the money purchased?

Ken Lewis

unread,

Jan 18, 2004, 4:51:06 PM1/18/04

On 18 Jan 2004 21:17:40 GMT, Larry Mondello
<larry_m...@mayfield.net> wrote:

[snip countless lines of Bradshit blather]

Did Ken or Nizkor ever receive any money, Bradshit? No, he didn't, but
that has been pointed out to you hundreds of times. That doesn't stop
you from posting this garbage though, does it? You are a compulsive
liar.

Did Ken or Nizkor ever own the computers the money purchased? No, he
didn't, but that has been pointed out to you hundreds of times. That
doesn't stop you from posting this garbage though, does it? You are a
compulsive liar.

Did Ken or Nizkor ever have the computers in their possession? No, he
didn't, but that has been pointed out to you hundreds of times. That
doesn't stop you from posting this garbage though, does it? You are a
compulsive liar.

Is there any contradiction? No, he didn't, but that has been pointed
out to you hundreds of times. That doesn't stop you from posting this
garbage though, does it? You are a compulsive liar.

Oh, by the way, just to rile you up - you wouldn't know 13 Mechanics
in Bellville, Texas would you?

Roger

unread,

Jan 18, 2004, 8:02:31 PM1/18/04

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)

someone claiming to be Larry Mondello wrote
in message <nlol001kbp1kh698t...@4ax.com>:

>Note: My previous posts as referenced by Roger the Dodger's headers have GOOGLE
>URLs provided above.

Note: so there's absolutely no reason to include those headers here.
Anyone interested already knows how to find and use them.

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:56:22 GMT,
><c7f26592543f6399...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote
>> in message <b0vj005h43ugegetk...@4ax.com>:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=b0vj005h43ugegetk...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>
>Lurkers click the link above to see my unscathed post to which Roger is now
>replying to and has butchered.

Of course, the Shame of Belleville cannot explain why my edits are
inappropriate...

>>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:51:51 GMT,
>>><d5c73a411a9c7bd2...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>>>>>>No, he didn't. Because he didn't receive them.

>>>>>Not according to his own web site and according to the San Antonio Express!!

>>>>You misspelled "... to my deliberate misinterpretation of" these site,
>>>>SoB.

>>>You are a liar! What is showed was actual content and in full context!

>>Which you then deliberately misinterpret to suit your need to
>>personally attack McVay, despite your claims not to rely on such.

>If what you claim is so then why didn't you leave it all in as evidence to your
>claim?

I left in those parts necessary to show that you had. The rest of
your rants are mindless, repetitive, and irrelevant. Nor do you ever
explain why any reasonable person would require the full text of your
nonsense in order to recognize it as nonsense.

>I MISINTERPRETED nothing!!!

The only other option is that you are flat out lying about it, SoB.

>I have shown documents which were quoted in
>full context which have been archived and easily verified by any and all whereas
>all you have done is delete my proofs and have diarrhea of the mouth!

And then put your own interpretations on it, as I have shown. I'm not
the one that repeats entire blocks of text multiple times in a single
post.

>>>> <snip to>

>>>Contradicted with:
>>>
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

Because the full text of this article is not required to support the
fact that it is in error, and I am trying to cut down your 1K+ line
posts to something a bit more manageable.

Why don't you explain why my snip makes it more or less likely to be
an error?

>>>>and
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>>
>>>>I have no association with either organization, and never have.

>>>Contradicted with:
>>>
>>><start/quote>
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed

>>Nope, nothing there indicating any personal association between McVay
>>and SAAF.

>Why don't you leave what I posted intact you lying bastard which was and which
>contradicts what McVay stated:
>
><start/quote>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed
>(Archived locally as: NizkorUSA2)
>Shofar FTP Archive File: camps/auschwitz/victims/numbers.killed
>
>[...]
>
>--
>Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
>Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
>European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>
>And be sure to check out:
>http://www1.us.nizkor.org/~fatbroad
><end/quote>

Okay, I'll bite. What is it about the above that you think shows a
link between Ken and SAAF?

>>>AND
>>>
>>><start/quote>
>>>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>>>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>>>
>>>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>>>
>>> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>>>
>>>and should be mailed to:
>>>
>>> San Antonio Area Foundation
>>> Nizkor Fund
>>> P.O. Box 120366
>>> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>>>
>>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>>improvements in service.
>>>
>>><end/quote>

>>There is a difference between a personal association and to
>>organizations cooperating.

>Your poor attempt at spin doctoring is failing Roger or are you Ken McVay hiding
>behind the NYM of Roger? The above is concerning funding not cooperating!

Yes. Between *organizations*, not individuals. It does nothing to
show that Ken *personally* has any association with SAAF, which is
what you were asserting as a lie.

And failing, miserably.

>>>AND
>>>
>>><start/quote>
>>>..The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
>>>also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.
>>>
>>>Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
>>>will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
>>>statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
>>>documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
>>>material from the National Archives in Washington.
>>>
>>>Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
>>>Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
>>>United States. Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
>>>collections of Holocaust material...
>>><end/quote>
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
>>>(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
>>>11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

>>Once again: nothing there indicating a personal association.

>The following proves a "personal association"!

Nope. And neither does the above.

>>>AND
>>>
>>><start/quote>
>>>My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests that I "interact" with Mr.
>>>Zundel...
>>>
>>>Harry W. Mazal OBE

>>Finally, a personal association. But with another individual, not
>>with an organization.

>You just contradicted your claim you made just above!!!! My but you are stupid
>and desperate too! First you say: "Once again: nothing there indicating a
>personal association." and then you say: "Finally, a personal association. But
>with another individual, not with an organization." and all dealing with Mazal
>and McVay!

No, sometimes dealing with Mazal and McVay, and sometimes dealing with
Nizkor, and sometimes dealing with Nizkor and SAAF.

*Nothing* dealing with McVay and SAAF, your rants notwithstanding.

>>>Yet Ken McVay stated (as shown higher up): "The computers are in use to this
>>>day, confronting and refuting Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with
>>>their operation, maintanence or development. You can verify their existence by
>>>visiting http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.
>>>I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should
>>>you have further questions, I suggest that you contact... Harry W. Mazal, OBE.."
>>>
>>>CARE TO COUNT ALL THE LIEWS I HAVE EXPOSED MCVAY IN NOW ROGER?

>>Sure: 0.

>My but you are in denial Roger or are you Ken McVay hiding behind the NYM of
>Roger? You always seem to be McVay's staunchest defender too!

No, it is simply amusing me to watch you tilt and rant and start
threads with no other purpose than to make personal attacks, all the
while claiming you never do.

There is nothing that you have posted that shows a link between McVay,
the person, and SAAF, the organization. To remind you in case you
forgot, this was the point you were supposedly trying to make.

>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>>Which part of this are you having problems with?

>>>The parts you keep deleting!

>>Because they have no relevance to the issues I am discussing.

>IOW you can't refute the facts and your discussion is a diversion from
>documented facts!

No, because the parts I have cut have no relevance, nor have you even
attempted to show any relevance in those parts that I snipped.

Nothing there proved any such thing, nor can you explain why they were
relevant (hint: "they proved it" is not an explanation. Specific
quotes followed by relevant discussion is.)

>If I did such it would have been to your advantage to leave them in and point
>tit out rather than delete them and then make your false claim!

Except that your monster irrelevancies and repetitions make for posts
that are extremely unwieldy. You've posted the full text, if you feel
that they are relevant give the specific quotes and why you feel they
support your rant.

>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=b0vj005h43ugegetk...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>Lurkers click the link above to see my unscathed post to which Roger is now
>replying to and has butchered.

See? This is what I am talking about. You've already posted this
link in this post. There is no need at all to repost it. And so I
will be snipping it any other time you reference it -- we'll probably
gain at least a couple dozen lines right there...

5 lines saved

>>Let me ask you straight: even if all you say of McVay is true, what
>>does that change about the historical facts of the Holocaust?

>It proves if McVay is dishonest (which he is) about his funding then he is very
>likely to be dishonest in other areas of his life.

So, to avoid actually discussing the history involved, you'd rather
smear someone that advocates historical fact and use it to impeach
those facts.

That's not how it works, not for rational people who are actually
interested in the facts of history.

>> <snip mindless repetition of rants, the relevant parts of which have
>> already been responded to>

>You haven't responded to what I have posted. You snip it and then comment on
>what you think instead of leaving what I posted intact and proving it to be in
>error!

I leave those parts necessary to demonstrate my points intact, and
snip things like multiple references to the same link which are
irrelevant in order to save the space.

>>>>Is it maybe the fact that both entities use the word "nizkor?" It's
>>>>not a trademarked term, you know...

>>>Read my archive you oaf!

>>I have. There are two organizations which use the name Nizkor. That
>>their directors also happen to have been colleagues doesn't mean there
>>is any financial link between them, nor between either organization
>>and the other person.

>Once again because you are a hard head and I want the lurkers to see you for
>what you are:

>Laura Finsten stated: "the San Antonio Area Foundation which, ironically, has
>probably provided more funding for the project since it has a far larger pool of
>donors to draw upon" concerning McVay's Nizkor Project but McVay still claims:
>"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
>United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received
>any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." The San Antonio
>Area Foundation has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has
>any connection with the San Antonio Area Foundation." which current lies are
>also contradicted with:

And who is Finsten that you will take her word over that of the
directors of either organization?

>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5m1sqg%24rse%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
>(Archived locally as: McVayUmbrella)
>From: Ken McVay (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
>Subject: Re: Nizkor under B'nai B'rith auspices?!
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Message-ID: <5m1sqg$rse$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>
>Date: 1997/05/22
>
>In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:
>
>> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
>
>Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canadian
>_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
>Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
>financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
>receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
>required.
>
>In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
>Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization....
>
><end/quote>

>Is McVay still going to insist he never "received any money from the
>"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" in all that time?

Why not -- he hasn't.

>WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY FOR THE TAX DODGER NOW ROGER???

You've yet to show credibly that anyone is dodging taxes.

>CARE TO DENY THESE PROOFS AS WELL?

If they are up to your usual "standards," then yes I will.

Because he's thankful that money donated to SAAF was used to provide
substantial improvements in service. So am I? Am I now going to be
accused of dodging taxes, too?

>Care to deny Ken McVay posted:
>
>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>
>as shown above? What is going to be your dodge this time Roger? Snipping out
>these parts too and telling us all they were irrelevant?!

No dodges. I've already stated that there was to be an association
between the two organizations. Financial links between them were
considered and discarded, and never existed.

Again, in '96 this was considered. And discarded.

>>>>>End of Kenneth McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) own documented words
>>>>>denying he has ever received any money of benefit from the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation OR "The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

>>>>None of which was ever in dispute.

>It is in dispute because documents prove otherwise that he has received over
>$50,000 from SAAF Nizkor Fund which he has obviously not paid taxes on!

No, at best (and accepting your interpretations of events) you have
shown that he it is *possible that he might have done*. You have
offered nothing to show that he *did*, and you rely mostly on an
erroneous newspaper article and a statement by some random person who
you claim has some association you never get around to explaining with
Nizkor.

>Ken
>McVay's web site is neither a non-profit organization nor a charity so it is not
>tax exempt! If he gets donations he MUST pat taxes on them!

And you have yet to show that he doesn't. Frankly, the fact that you
have ranted to CCRA and their investigation showed no problems trumps
anything at all that you could possibly bring to bear on the matter,
unless you have something *recent* specifically addressing the $50k.

>>No, it didn't.

Both Mazal and McVay have specifically denied that this is the case,
which trumps your newspaper article and random poster.

>>>Once again for you seeing how you are stupid:
>>>
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

>>Once again, tho you are incapable of understanding: This is a
>>newspaper. The newspaper made a mistake.

>There is no disclaimer to that effect at McVay;s web site and also al the other
>documents I have posted prove it so too!

There is no disclaimer there that you have been proven a lying stalker
who threatens people he disagrees with, nor that you have been voted
Kook of the Month. But all three facts remain facts.

>>There is no link between the two organizations.

>I already slam dunked you higher up in this current reply numerous times!

Nope, which is why you are so desperate.

>>>Yet Ken McVay claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation
>>>has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>>>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but McVay's post above contradicts his
>>>claim with McVay's very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor
>>>Fund.. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>>improvements in service."

>>Those funds were used to provide substantial improvements in service
>>for the SAAF.

>NOPE!! Those funds are doled out by the SAAF and McVay was the recipient and he
>obviously has not reported them on his tax returns!

... all statements by the primaries and investigation by CCRA to the
contrary...

>>Not Nizkor.
>>
>>SAAF.

>>>SO WHICH IS IT ROGER!?!?

>>As above.

>>>>>Here is Ken McVay's very own Nizkor web site showing Ken McVay was a recipient
>>>>>of San Antonio Area Foundation funding back in 1996!
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
>>>>>(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
>>>>>11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

>>>>Okay, so a newspaper article makes the same error you did in assuming
>>>>that the fact that the same name is used, means that it's the same
>>>>entity. Newspapers make mistakes. Live with it.

>>>So why did McVay post it at his own web site without any disclaimers to that
>>>effect?

>>How show I know?

>Well seeing how you claim the news paper article was in error one would think
>you would know seeing how you seem to know the article was in error!

Only if one were desperately grasping any straw to support one's
smear.

I know that this article is in error because I have read clear and
unequivocal statements from both principles contradicting it.

>So you
>still claim the article erred on who received the $50,000 and where the
>recipient lives which was: "a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San Antonio
>Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project, an international computer web site
>directed by the 55- year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada..."
>
>All of that is an error then in your estimation!

Yes, it is, given that how this money was spent has been spelled out
in this forum (even tho it is frankly none of your business) very
clearly indeed.

>>>BTW I have archived that web page and had other people do so and I have
>>>JPEG snap shots of it should the tax cheat decide to add disclaimers now!

>>Which will mean jack.

>It will prove he tried to cover his tracks!

No, it will mean he added a disclaimer which a rational person
wouldn't need, which is why I don't think he will.

>>>Why did McVay make numerous posts showing the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
>>>Nizkor Fund" being a source of donations and why did he give thanks for
>>>donations through the same fund if he had never received any which he is now
>>>trying to foist as reality!?

>>Because he was simply also mentioning a similar organization's method
>>of accepting donations. This does not mean they shared donations.

>You had better re-read what is making you look like the total ass of the
>century! They didn't share donations and I never made that claim- the san
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund channeled American dollars to Ken McVay's
>Canadian based Nizkor Project which all the documentation proves!

Nope.

>I.E. (once again because you are stupid Roger):

Not that the Shame of Belleville engages in personal attacks...

And snipped because it has been dealt with above, making this
repetition gratuitous, but the link left in, in case anyone missed it
before...

>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=4pvbkg%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

>Now once again Roger-- who did McVay claim as financing HIS work in the archive
>above? Answer: "Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project" AND
>"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund" and he did use such phrases (in
>reference to the two financial sources): "I am financed by thousands of "just
>plain folks" who wish to support my work. In Canada, they make their cheques
>payable to Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project" AND "In the United States,
>they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and also McVay did state: "tell us what difference it makes who finances my
>work... I fail to see how my financing changes that."
>
>Care to remain in denial Roger? How are you going to spin doctor the above? Snip
>it out of your reply and then claim I misinterpreted what your pal stated!?

Already addressed.

>>>Have you any idea what would be the back interest and penalties on over $50,000
>>>that tax dodger hasn't reported should people demand the CCRA to do its duty?

>>Moot, since he did not receive any of that $50k.

>Documented facts prove otherwise Roger!

Nope. You've done nothing but show that the two once considered a
closer association than exists today. The *facts* are that both
directors have explicitly contradicted your smear, and that the
relevant authorities have investigated and found nothing untoward.

>McVay claims: "Neither The Nizkor
>Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area
>Foundation - Nizkor Fund" YET the above contradicts McVay and those are his own
>words I have been quoting!!!!

Nope.

>>>BTW here is Laura Finsten (a Nizkor supporter) in her own words:

>>Which are not binding on either Nizkor nor on the SAAF, so
>>
>> <snip>

>Can't stand those proofs can you Ken er I mean Roger!

That some random person said something that ain't so? That's not
proof.

>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5m1sqg%24rse%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
>>>(Archived locally as: McVayUmbrella)
>>>
>>>In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>>>>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>>>>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>>>>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>>>>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
>>>
>>>Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canadian
>>>_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
>>>Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
>>>financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
>>>receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
>>>required.
>>>
>>>In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
>>>Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization....
>>>
>>><end/quote>

>>So comparing the one to the other means they are financially linked?

>All of what you keep snipping and ignoring does and you aren't helping your case
>by using such tactics either!

One notes that you don't answer the question.

>>>Is McVay still going to insist he never "received any money from the
>>>"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" in all that time?

>>Why should he not, since it's the truth?

>Not according to the numerous documents I have presented and which are
>verifiable by any and all!

Nothing you have posted proves any such thing.

>>>WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY FOR THE TAX DODGER NOW ROGER???

>>Which tax dodger is that, SoB?

>Are you admitting to being a tax dodger too Roger?

And damned if he *doesn't* accuse me of dodging taxes...

Why are you smearing me when I have mentioned nothing at all of my
personal or professional financials, meaning that you have no basis at
*all* for the above, not even the kind of house of cards you attempt
to misinterpret to show something that the CCRA investigation shows
didn't happen?

And do you *really* think that such *enhances* your credibility?

>You're too ignorant to see
>your faux paus BUT then again YOU just may be Ken McVay hiding behind the Roger
>nym too!

Never mind that you have absolutely nothing with which to even pretend
you have proof that the above is true -- but that's not going to stop
you from lying about it anyway.

It is obvious that I am Dave Gorski. And John Morris. And Gord
McFee. And Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands.

Oh, and before I forget: I am Spartacus.

>>>>>Now I ask everyone--Do any of you think Ken McVay reported that $50,000 (plus
>>>>>all the other donations he gave thanks for) to the CCRA?

>>>>And once again, I answer: "No, since it was not money her ever
>>>>received."

>>>Not according to the irrefutable evidence I offered above!

>>Try again -- nothing there says that Ken received $50k.

>WRONG!!!!!!!

And it doesn't even say McVay *received* the money, just (incorrectly)
that it was planned.

>WHOSE WEB SITE IS THE ABOVE FROM ROGER?
>I SEE: http://www.nizkor.org AND I don't see a disclaimer stating the article
>featured has one error in it!

Nor do you find any such disclaimers anywhere. The leuchter report is
there too, without disclaimer -- do you assert that this is, and that
McVay provides it, as absolute truth?

>>>IOW your hero didn't pay tax on it seeing how he is now trying to claim he
>>>never received one penny from that fund though his numerous posts prove otherwise!

>>Wrong. Your deliberate misinterpretation of his posts lead you to
>>repeat this accusation ad nauseum.

>I misrepresented nothing and you know it!

I have discussed how I feel you have misrepresented. Your response
was to simply make the same assertions and re-re-re-repost the same
misinterpreted information.

>>What did CCRA say when you contacted them about this?

>I got no reply and I didn't expect one for the same reason the IRS wouldn't
>reply in similar manner.

Because there was no substance to the charges. Or would you care to
show even *one* other time that either entity has done the sort of
thing you claim?

>Canada is moving from a socialist government to the
>right and the CCRA is being restaffed and perhaps they will take a keen interest
>in collecting back taxes and penalties from a deadbeat!

Wrong. And wrong. And unlikely to the point of impossibility given
that there are no back taxes nor penalties to be collected.

>>>Does the term AUDIT come to mind Roger?

>>No, the term "Usenet Kook of the Month" does.

>Name call won't make the facts go away and sooner or later McVay will have to
>pay the piper as Canada moves more and more to the right and the interest on
>those back taxes and penalties keeps mounting at a geometric rate! I will die
>laughing when his house built upon sand collapses or should I say that new condo
>he bought (gets confiscated for back taxes) in the same time period he got the
>$50,000 he now claims he never got!

If you keep ranting about it someone might actually be fooled into
thinking it has a basis in reality, but only long enough for that
someone to read any of your other rants and realize that's all you do.

>Canadian tax payers do your duty and report the bum and use the archive below
>for your report:

Why? It didn't work when *you* did it, and the facts of the matter
will not change no matter how many times your smears are brought to
the authorities' attention.

>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=f7murv0qqpmcfa2ldce7epo9gtg5am23rl%404ax.com&rnum=1

>>>>>Who would pay tax on money they claim they never received YET obviously did
>>>>>according to all the documentation?

>>>>"All the documentation" being a single newspaper article with an error
>>>>in it.

>>>I offered far more evidence than just that one news paper article you are now
>>>implying has an error in it! Care to prove that article is in error? See how
>>>foolish you look!?

>>Yep. Definitive and unequivocal statements from all of the primaries
>>involved do so.
>>
>>I'm not the one looking like the Kook you are, posting for no other
>>reason than to attack those who disagree with you.

>They smear me and they do it at tax payer expense in the case of McVay!

Nope. When *you* do one of your off topic rants, it usually includes
your lies about various things which are then corrected. But no one
here that *I* have seen in the many years I have been lurking /
posting here ever mentions you without you having forced yourself on
the group once again with your constantly changing nyms and personal
attacks.

>>>>> DOES TAX FRAUD COME TO PEOPLE'S MINDS??
>>>>> The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!

>>>>And yet, you have whined about this to the authorities, who have
>>>>treated it with all the seriousness it deserved: a form letter.

>>>They are socialists who stick by their man and it would be too embarrassing for
>>>the people who awarded a tax cheat the Order of British Columbia to have to
>>>admit their recipient lies about his funding.

>>Yeah, because after all, that's the only possible explanation for them
>>to have blown off the Shame of Xxxxx

>Where I live is irrelevant!

And your fact-free accusations about CCRA are?

>>>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en

>>>>Ah, *here's* the problem. The two *were* once associated.

>>>See how you contradicted what McVay has claimed! McVay claimed (as shown higher
>>>up): "I have no association with either organization, and never have."

>>See how you misinterpret: I never said *McVay* was associated. I
>>said Nizkor and SAAF were.

>You lose track of your claims. You also edited the post too! Here is the above
>unedited by you:

Nope. I never claimed that *McVay* had any association, nor does you
repost show that I did.

><START>
>
>>><start/quote>
>>>From: Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
>>>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>>>
>>>In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>>>
>>> "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>>>
>>>and should be mailed to:
>>>
>>> San Antonio Area Foundation
>>> Nizkor Fund
>>> P.O. Box 120366
>>> San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>>>
>>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
>>>improvements in service.
>>>
>>><end/quote>
>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
>>
>>Ah, *here's* the problem. The two *were* once associated.

>See how you contradicted what McVay has claimed! McVay claimed (as shown higher
>up): "I have no association with either organization, and never have."

See how you misinterpret: I never said *McVay* was associated. I

said Nizkor and SAAF were.

>>No money changed hands between the two,

>Not according to the records and to McVay's own postings!!!!!!

Nothing McVay posted discusses money *actually* rather than
potentially changing hands, and in fact he has specifically said none
did.

>>and that association not longer pertains.

>No longer? McVay claimed (as shown higher up): "I have no association with
>either organization, and never have."

See how you misinterpret: I never said *McVay* was associated. I

said Nizkor and SAAF were.

>>Now, can we assume that you will stop telling this particular lie?

>What lie? I have already proven McVay is lying and now I prove you to be a liar
>for the liar!!

Can you really not understand the difference between McVay, Mazal (two
different individuals,) Nizkor and SAAF (two different organizations?)

>>Because the SAAFDN does good work, similar to Nizkor?

>Because they gave him funding and I noticed you deleted the post in your spin
>doctoring but here it is again:

And snipped again, since it has been referenced three? four? other
times in this post and needn't be referenced again.

>End of restoring my words from Roger's crafty edits.

>>>>No money changed hands between the two,

>>>Not according to the records and to McVay's own postings!!!!!!

>>False.

>The above proves you to be a liar!

Only if one assumes McVay the individual and Nizkor the organization
to be the same entity.

>>>>and that association not longer pertains.

>>>No longer? McVay claimed (as shown higher up): "I have no association with
>>>either organization, and never have."

>>The association between the organizations, SoB.

>You're the S O B

Not that the Shame of Belleville engages in personal attacks...

>>>>Now, can we assume that you will stop telling this particular lie?

>>>What lie? I have already proven McVay is lying and now I prove you to be a liar
>>>for the liar!!

>>The only liar here is you, SoB.

>Keep running your mouth McVay er I mean Roger.

Care to offer any substantiation for your assertion that I am McVay?

>>>>>You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has
>>>>>never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
>>>>>with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
>>>>>claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
>>>>>The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements
>>>>>in service."
>>>>>
>>>>>If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
>>>>>Fund then why did you give thanks?

>>>>Because the SAAFDN does good work, similar to Nizkor?

>>>Because they gave him funding and I noticed you deleted the post in your spin
>>>doctoring but here it is again:

>>No, they didn't. Both principles have clearly stated this.

>> <snip mindless repetition of rants, the relevant parts of which have
>> already been responded to>

>Can't deal with facts so you snip snip snip!

I have dealt with these.

>>>>>>This should be clear even to someone as delusional as yourself.

>>>>>I do believe my documented facts are irrefutable and it is you who is denying
>>>>>reality and is being delusional!!

>>>>Your documented facts are a single newspaper article, which touches on
>>>>a relationship which no longer exists and includes at least one error
>>>>of fact.

>>>I presented much more than one single news paper article you are now trying to
>>>discredit and everyone reading this reply to your failed spin doctoring now and
>>>in the future will see the Nizkor bunch for the liars they are!

>>Sure. When is that new complaint about Yale going to be filed, SoB?

>That is for me to know and that bastard to find out! I am still waiting on
>documents from the Clerk of Courts in Allentown!

Suuuuure you are.

>>>>>Need I say more other than liar and tax cheat Kenneth N. McVay of Nanaimo,
>>>>>British Columbia should be audited and prosecuted for tax evasion upon all the
>>>>>documentation which testifies against him is verified! Canada should not be
>>>>>subsidizing a deadbeat liar!

>>>>Yes, why don't you tell us all what happened when you reported this to
>>>>the appropriate authorities?

>>>I already answered that stupid question higher up.

>>With a completely unsupported rant. They are in a much better
>>position to determine the merits of this case than a Kook from Texas,
>>don't you agree?

Hmmn? Or can you support your accusations that CCRA and the IRS are
in the habit of ignoring violations?

>>>> <snip the Shame of Belleville once again recycling baseless,
>>>> mindless accusations with even *less* objective support than this
>>>> one...>

>>>Once again personal attacks instead of documented facts BUT what can one expect
>>>from a den of robbers?

>>Since when am I a den of anything, let alone of robbers. Rogers,
>>maybe, if you take into account the various roles I have played -- but
>>I'm not *really* a different person on stage: I only look and act
>>differently.
>>
>>Sorry to have confused you.

>The only person who is confused is you!

Says the person that thinks I am a den of something...

Roger

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Jan 18, 2004, 8:04:32 PM1/18/04

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)

someone claiming to be Larry Mondello wrote

in message <54ul009o490ibogp6...@4ax.com>:

Personal attack is all you have, since you can't address the facts,
huh, SoB?

Larry Mondello

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Jan 18, 2004, 10:14:33 PM1/18/04

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:46:24 GMT, <ugvl00h5gg4l2p7ab...@4ax.com>
Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:

>Did Ken or Nizkor actually receive any money, Bradshit?

My name is not Bradshit you hooked nosed kike and yes McVay did receive money as
has been proven!

>No he didn't

Oh yes he did!

>and this has been explained to you a couple of hundred times.

You mean spin doctored!

>You are a compulsive liar.

You are the liar you hook nose and this archive proves it!

HERE ARE YOUR FELLOW VERMIN GIVING FINANCIAL AID TO A COMMUNIST!! CARE TO DENY
IT AS WELL HOOK NOSE?

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Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
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Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT

Now go fist yourself hook nose and if you don't know how then Jewess Sara "The
Fist" Salzman can teach you how!

Tavish

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Joebruno

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Jan 19, 2004, 7:28:46 AM1/19/04

Larry Mondello <larry_m...@mayfield.net> wrote in message news:<fnim00hl94ho2pjvc...@4ax.com>...

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:46:24 GMT, <ugvl00h5gg4l2p7ab...@4ax.com>
> Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
> >Did Ken or Nizkor actually receive any money, Bradshit?
>
> My name is not Bradshit you hooked nosed kike and yes McVay did receive money as
> has been proven!

Lewis isn't Jewish,you idiot.

>
> >No he didn't
>
> Oh yes he did!

OHHHH! That's a very convincing argument.ROTFL.
>

Ken Lewis

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Jan 19, 2004, 1:07:39 PM1/19/04

On 19 Jan 2004 03:14:33 GMT, Larry Mondello
<larry_m...@mayfield.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:46:24 GMT, <ugvl00h5gg4l2p7ab...@4ax.com>
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:

>>Did Ken or Nizkor actually receive any money, Bradshit?
>
>My name is not Bradshit you hooked nosed kike and yes McVay did receive money as
>has been proven!

No, it hasn't been proven, Shame of Bellville. You are lying again.
You know it and we all know it. You are a compulsive liar.

>>No he didn't

>Oh yes he did!

You saying so doesn't make it a fact, Shame of Bellville. He didn't. .
You are lying again. You know it and we all know it. You are a
compulsive liar.

>>and this has been explained to you a couple of hundred times.

>You mean spin doctored!

No, you have been told what has happened. You are a compulsive liar
who wishes to try to cause people harm so you keep posting the lie in
hopes people will believe it.

>>You are a compulsive liar.

>You are the liar you hook nose and this archive proves it!

That doesn't prove anything, SoB. Ken never got money, the computers,
or had them in his possession. You know exactly who has them now.

Why do you keep lying?

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