jump mark question

[tenox]

Hi,

How do I delete a jumpmark?

Is there a way to set more than one jumpmark?

Is there a way to display jumpmark marker (flag or star icon) beside
line numbers (as in every other editor)?

Thanks,
Antoni

[Watts Martin]

On Sep 13, 2011, at 16:41 , tenox wrote:

Hi,

Hi!

How do I delete a jumpmark?

Did you try "clear marker..." from the marker menu?

Is there a way to set more than one jumpmark?

Did you try "set marker..." from the marker menu?

Is there a way to display jumpmark marker (flag or star icon) beside
line numbers (as in every other editor)?

Not that I know of. By "every other editor," you mean "not every other editor," since -- among many others, I'm sure -- neither Vim nor Emacs put little stars by marked lines. Yes, TextMate does, but that's also *all* TextMate does, IIRC; it has no way to distinguish individual marks. BBEdit lets you name markers, which personally I find more useful -- not that a little icon in the gutter saying "this line is marked" would be bad, but given a choice between one style or the other, I'll take BBEdit's.

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Watts Martin <lay...@gmail.com>

[tenox]

> Did you try "clear marker..." from the marker menu?

There is no such option. I only have "Jump back" "Jump forward" "Set
jump mark" - "Clear jump mark" is nowhere to be found.

> Did you try "set marker..." from the marker menu?

Oh you are talking about markers aka bookmars. I'm talking about jump
marks. It's a different function.

>
> Not that I know of. By "every other editor," you mean "not every other editor," since -- among many others, I'm sure -- neither Vim nor Emacs put little stars by marked lines. Yes, TextMate does, but that's also *all* TextMate does, IIRC; it has no way to distinguish individual marks. BBEdit lets you name markers, which personally I find more useful -- not that a little icon in the gutter saying "this line is marked" would be bad, but given a choice between one style or the other, I'll take BBEdit's.

apologies for throwing every other editor. I'm just pissed of about
lack of working jumpmarks in BBEdit and TextWlangler. Vim doesn't
display them, but you can list them by issuing :marks command. BBEdit
neither lists them or allows them to be deleted. Again not to be
confused with bookmarks.

To me and many others that I know of jump marks are useful only if
they can be managed from a keyboard. Eg one key sets / unsets a mark
another jumps back and forward. Using bookmarks requires excessive
mouse maneuvering and giving them names. More work.

Don't get me wrong, BBEdit is fantastic, but neither jump marks or
markers do nothing to help navigate text from keyboard. They are
absolutely useless to me. Instead I'm missing keyboard settable
jumpmarks.

Thanks,
a

[Roland Küffner]

Hi,

Am 14.09.2011 um 05:52 schrieb tenox:
> Oh you are talking about markers aka bookmars. I'm talking about jump
> marks. It's a different function.

> To me and many others that I know of jump marks are useful only if

> they can be managed from a keyboard. Eg one key sets / unsets a mark
> another jumps back and forward. Using bookmarks requires excessive
> mouse maneuvering and giving them names. More work.

I agree to some extend: BBEdits handling of both, bookmarks and jump marks would benefit from some overhaul. All that often I try to use jump marks but find it quite unpredictable. I'm never sure where the jump function will take me to.

> Don't get me wrong, BBEdit is fantastic, but neither jump marks or
> markers do nothing to help navigate text from keyboard. They are
> absolutely useless to me. Instead I'm missing keyboard settable
> jumpmarks.

Bookmarks are a little more useful. You know that you can assign keyboard shortcuts to the bookmark menu and its entries? See Preferences > Menus & Shortcuts > Navigation Bar. I have a shortcut for "Set Marker" and "Open Marker Menu". Once you open the Bookmarks menu typing the first characters of an entry will take you to it. Especially nice is the fact that you can bookmark selections (unfortunately BBEdit looses the correct start and end positions of selections once in a while for no apparent reason so I have to set them again).

With these settings I find the bookmark functions quite useful. But I would love to have the jump functions just a little more verbose.

Roland

[tenox]

> I agree to some extend: BBEdits handling of both, bookmarks and jump marks would benefit from some overhaul. All that often I try to use jump marks but find it quite unpredictable. I'm never sure where the jump function will take me to.

Yes, useless. They really have to have a marker beside line numbers
and ability to unset them.

> Bookmarks are a little more useful. You know that you can assign keyboard shortcuts to the bookmark menu and its entries? See Preferences > Menus & Shortcuts > Navigation Bar. I have a shortcut for "Set Marker" and "Open Marker Menu". Once you open the Bookmarks menu typing the first characters of an entry will take you to it. Especially nice is the fact that you can bookmark selections (unfortunately BBEdit looses the correct start and end positions of selections once in a while for no apparent reason so I have to set them again).
>
> With these settings I find the bookmark functions quite useful. But I would love to have the jump functions just a little more verbose.

But bookmarks require names. Also your suggestion about assigning
shortcuts is not that useful because I need to have ability to jump
backwards and forwards with a single keystroke, F2 or F4 in several
editors.

Thanks,
Antoni

[Rich Siegel]

On Wednesday, September 14, 2011, tenox <te...@tenox.tc> wrote:

>>I agree to some extend: BBEdits handling of both, bookmarks and jump
>>marks would benefit from some overhaul. All that often I try to use
>>jump marks but find it quite unpredictable. I'm never sure where the
>>jump function will take me to.
>
>Yes, useless. They really have to have a marker beside line numbers
>and ability to unset them.

I use them, therefore they fail the sniff test for "useless".
:-) Moreover, jump marks function as a history of where you've
been in the document; so unless you fancy having your line
number bar cluttered with little tick marks, each including a
jump point, knowing that a particular line contains a jump point
is, uh, unuseful.

Note also that there are plenty of other ways to mark positions
in your document, some of them automatic, some of them not, but
all of them workable: function detection which lists items on
the function menu; "#pragma mark" and its equivalents for
various languages; marks set with "Set Mark" (which are also
openable and navigable using the keyboard)...

>But bookmarks require names. Also your suggestion about assigning
>shortcuts is not that useful because I need to have ability to jump
>backwards and forwards with a single keystroke, F2 or F4 in several
>editors.

...including BBEdit. You can assign an Fn key to any menu
command, including the Jump Mark commands on the Search menu, in
the Menus & Shortcuts preferences. Try it. Personally I find the
Fn keys to be less than completely useful, because in order to
employ one, I have to reach far enough away from my home row
that it breaks my typing flow pretty severely. But "there can be
no argument where matters of taste are concerned".

R.
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