Texto para foros

[Root]

Hola amigos, he redactado un texto para difusión de este grupo de
trabajo en medios de comunicación del MZ. Lo he puesto en un pad
colaborativo para que aportéis vuestras correcciones y sugerencias. A
ver que os parece
http://sync.in/bateriasedison

[Eslizon]

Yo hasta que no hallan mas datos, no lo expondria:

Como materiales exactos, caracteristicas, pruevas de su veracidad,
datos matematicos que lo acrediten.

Pero es solo mi opinion XD en todo caso se podria exponer matizando
que no esta comprobado

[Root]

Sabemos los materiales exactos que usaba Edison, esa información está
en las patentes que he puesto los enlaces, incluso sabemos como
obtener esos materiales, hay una patente sobre obtención de hidróxido
de níquel y otra sobre el oxido de hierro.
Sabemos las características, la web de Ian Southar tiene un buen
resumen de las características

En cuanto a "datos matemáticos" no se a que te refieres exactamente
pero si que tenemos la formula de las reacciones químicas de carga y
descarga que son completamente reversibles y también tenemos
conocimiento de que los electrodos no se disuelven ni se degradan en
el electrolito. Desde un punto de vista químico la batería esta
fuertemente cimentada.
Tenemos pruebas de su veracidad, aunque no directas si indirectas,
esta el anuncio del segundamano y esta el amigo de Llebrero que tiene
un juego de estas baterías funcionando y tienen al menos 40 años de
antigüedad. Hay en Internet miles de pruebas coincidentes de que estas
baterías existen y funcionan como dicen que funcionan. A mi me parece
que esta suficientemente comprobado. Personalmente no necesito tener
una en mis propias manos para confiar en que esta comprobado igual que
no necesito haber estado nunca en América para saber que existe un
continente con millones de personas que viven allí.

[Root]

Eslizon, por favor, contesta. He intentado hablar contigo por TS pero
no hemos coincidido y eso que me he pasado casi todo el fin de semana
en el TS en el canal español. Me gustaría que dieras tu vistobueno o
por el contrario argumentaras en contra siguiendo el diálogo. Estoy
esperando por ti para publicar el texto en foros de diferentes
chapters y conseguir mas ayuda de mas gente del movimiento a nivel
internacional.
Salud

[daniel thomson]

texto para foros en ingles:


Edison batteries


One of the main criticisms made to the project Venus Project proposal
comes from a technical perspective and it has to do with energy
viability. Especially the staunch defenders of the uranium-based
energy and fossil fuels are quick to object that we have no evidence
that electricity production from renewable sources is feasible and
"cheap". Its Always argued that its very expensive and also that its
not viable because they are not constant. There are renewable energy
sources such as geothermal that are very stable and steady but not
easily usable everywhere, there needs to be points on the surface
where geothermal activity is high. Other renewable sources of energy
like solar and wind have a great disadvantage because they aren't
constant so you need some sort of solution to accumulate the generated
energy. The solutions provided by the current monetary system aren't
of course designed to last long and require constant monetary
investments. The specific case of the lead acid batteries that are
most commonly used in wind power and photovoltaic as well as being
highly polluting have an average life service of 6 years and in
optimal conditions of use and maintenance they can reach 10 years. The
price of wind or photovoltaic power generation certainly is also a
problem because the prices of commercial components are usually very
inflated. Another solution to this problem is that each one of us
learns hot to make these renewable energy solutions. There are
numerous other “self-energy” production designs both from the sun
(http://www.solarfire.org) and from the wind (http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=9UPe6A_UVPc) with a very low cost in materials, as much as € 1
per 5 Watts peak power (100 euros a 500W wind turbine). This
technology exists and is not exactly cutting-edge technology, it's
old, known and tested technology. The production is not the problem,
the problem is the accumulation.

One possible solution to the problem of accumulation could be the
connection to electricity distribution networks. This way when there
is excess energy, this energy is injected into the network and when
energy is required because there is no sun shine or wind the opposite
process can be done. The idea is nice and simple but of course the
monetary system has been responsible for now allowing this to hapen.
To begin, the distribution companies require that all generating
devices that connect to them have passed through a long, expensive and
complex bureaucratic process of approval which is only affordable by
large industries to make long term investments. This leaves completely
out of the game the posibility of small busineses and familys to
self-construct their own generators. Moreover, the bureaucracy and the
economic investment necessary to connect the electric service provider
drives away the majority, the rest of those who still insist they are
confronted with the fierce resistance of the large companys that try
to avoid at all costs people being self-sustainable. To finish off,
the electricity distribution networks do not exist in many parts of
the globe and where they do existe they dont cover all the territory.
So there is nothing much to do, they win, game over...

No way!
As the good old Jacque Fresco says "all problems are technical".
Electricity buildup is a problem that prevents the development of
cheap alternative renewable energy use, but isn't there a technical
solution to this problem?, Isn't there any electric storage technology
that is durable and environmentally sustainable? Of course it exists!,
the monetary system has hidden and relegated this technology for it
being too good, lasting long and not being profitable in a throwaway
economy. Just 1 month ago Llebre, our dear friend and a regular
Spanish guest on the TeamSpeak told us about some batteries which he
called the "ferronickel". He put us on the trail of an ancient and
very interesting technology that we did not even suspect its
existence . It is known that Thomas Edison, based on the findings of
Waldemar Jungner, designed and patented in 1901 a battery with
incredible qualities that I briefly describe in the next paragraph:

Service life: some manufacturers talk about 20 years, Edison himself
speaks of 50 and we know that some of the original batteries
manufactured over 100 years ago are still functioning although we
don't really know how much they've been used.
Operating Temperature Range: -40 º C to 60 ° C
Ratio of weight / capacity: Less than the lead/acid batteries.
Ratio of volume / capacity: Less than lead/acid batteries.
Fully supports repeated and continuous total downloads without
significant loss of capacity.
Supports overload without significant loss of capacity.
Withstands Short circuit without significant loss of capacity.
The two main materials needed to make this battery are iron and
nickel, both abundant on the planet and are environmentally friendly
since they are not heavy metals.
The electrolyte is composed of potassium hydroxide (KOH) diluted in
water, a liquid with relatively low toxicity (if you compare it with
the sulfuric acid needed to make the lead acid batteries) that can be
used even in agricultural applications.
Videos like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtXqVk37pEw) show
that it is feasible to self-build these batteries.


The Edison batteries were first built in 1903, he immediately began to
design and build electric cars based on these batteries as you can see
in the photo below taken in 1909 by Thomas Edison himself. Edison
(left), is next to a car model designed to compete in a 1,000 miles
car race powered by these batteries. http://ironedison.com/images/bailey_edison_1000.jpg
We are not talking about expensive and questionable old tech but
proven technology and very low complexity that is even possible to
build in one's home.
To understand the significance of this case, the existence of these
batteries do not only mean that today we could all be harvesting our
own energy for our homes but we could also move easily to electric
vehicles that would recharge with clean energy devices. Namely, more
than 100 years ago there was already a clean energy technology, safe
and durable that could have completely liberated us humans from the
dependence of fossil fuels and uranium.

Some Spanish-speaking people from different chapters in the Zeitgeist
Movement are in touch via Teamspeak and are interested in the study
and development of these batteries. So far we have created a mail
group (http://groups.google.com/group/baterias-de-edison) to gather
interesting information and to possibly establish a working group on
the topic. This is a proposal for a new project. Anybody that is
interested or anyone with interesting information on the subject can
ask for a group invitation. We are especially interested in
information from people who have these batteries, I mean, physical
access to one of these gadjets in order to investigate them closely.

We intend to develop the application of these batteries in different
energy needs; domestic and transport. Our goal is to use the
information and experience that we get from this experiment as a
powerful tool to disseminate and spread awareness about the Venus
Project, demonstrating how renewable energy in the planet is not only
abundant but also readily usable even with low level technology. To do
this we will carry out the construction of a prototype which we will
try to document as much as possible. The main goal of this project is
to show the world that we dont need the banks to steel our purchasing
power and that we dont need the electrical companys to hide technology
from us, the world is going to change for the better and the Venus
Project wants to contribute to the well being of every single person
in this planet.

[dpthomson]

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We intend to develop the application of these batteries for different energy needs; domestic and transport. Our goal is to use the information and experience that we get from this experiment as a powerful tool to disseminate and spread awareness about the Venus Project, demonstrating how renewable energy in the planet is not only abundant but also readily usable even with low level technology. To do this we will carry out the construction of a prototype which we will try to document as much as possible. The main goal of this project is to show the world that we humans dont need electrical companys hiding technology, the world is going to be a better place and the Venus Project wants to contribute to the well being of every single person on this planet.