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tony
Nov 21, 2008, 8:33:01 AM11/21/08
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Anybody here in Bangkok use Plone CMS?
It's used by NASA, CIA, EBay, Nokia, University of Oxford and MIT, but
I haven't found anyone who uses it here in Thailand.
Best wishes,
Tony
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It's used by NASA, CIA, EBay, Nokia, University of Oxford and MIT, but
I haven't found anyone who uses it here in Thailand.
Best wishes,
Tony
--
Managing Director
Network One
http://www.one.ie
proteus guy
Nov 21, 2008, 9:55:08 AM11/21/08
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Tony,
I've used it a while back. Plone is a powerful and big system. It is entirely a CMS, which, if that's what you're interested in (ala Drupal, etc...) then it might be right for you. It is written on top of Zope (big python framework) and is built in a manner where you kinda have to adopt an all-or-nothing approach to it. Cost of entry is a big higher than what you might expect but it is well written, has gobs of powerful features, and there are some very large complex systems based on Plone.
All that said, taking on Zope was not really in the cards for me. It was quite innovated in its day but is kindof heavy handed compared to other python frameworks. I understand Zope3 is more refactored and I expect Plone has been ported to it by now but I've not had a pure CMS situation in which to try it out yet. My requirements are always *some other major functionality* + a CMS so other frameworks like Django have been more appropriate for us.
Frankly, until recently there has been almost zero python in Thailand so I don't expect you'll find too many Plone devs but there are probably a few who have independently discovered/adopted it somewhere out there.
best of luck,
-- Ben Scherrey
I've used it a while back. Plone is a powerful and big system. It is entirely a CMS, which, if that's what you're interested in (ala Drupal, etc...) then it might be right for you. It is written on top of Zope (big python framework) and is built in a manner where you kinda have to adopt an all-or-nothing approach to it. Cost of entry is a big higher than what you might expect but it is well written, has gobs of powerful features, and there are some very large complex systems based on Plone.
All that said, taking on Zope was not really in the cards for me. It was quite innovated in its day but is kindof heavy handed compared to other python frameworks. I understand Zope3 is more refactored and I expect Plone has been ported to it by now but I've not had a pure CMS situation in which to try it out yet. My requirements are always *some other major functionality* + a CMS so other frameworks like Django have been more appropriate for us.
Frankly, until recently there has been almost zero python in Thailand so I don't expect you'll find too many Plone devs but there are probably a few who have independently discovered/adopted it somewhere out there.
best of luck,
-- Ben Scherrey
Nick Martin
Nov 21, 2008, 10:07:26 AM11/21/08
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Hi Tony,
Using something like Pylons/Django or rolling your own setup with WSGI works well, and you can bridge this to Plone using repoze if need be.
Best,
Nick.
tony
Nov 21, 2008, 5:10:15 PM11/21/08
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Hi Ben,
I've been using Plone for the last couple of years. Its (almost)
perfect for what I do. I was just wondering if there was any other
Plone users because it might be nice to meet them.
Zope 3 hasn't been refactored it was entirely rewritten. Because of
this Plone still hasn't been ported to it and it doesn't look like it
will anytime soon. However, it uses a technology called Five which
allows u use Zope 2 + 3 together. Plone 3 is very eloquent. And I
don't need to do a lot of development because the almost all the
components are already there. I work in the education industry. It has
great education modules. However, I haven't had the pleasure of using
a lighter framework like Django, Turbogears or Pylons.
Best wishes,
Tony
On Nov 21, 9:55 pm, "proteus guy" <proteus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I've used it a while back. Plone is a powerful and big system. It is
> entirely a CMS, which, if that's what you're interested in (ala Drupal,
> etc...) then it might be right for you. It is written on top of Zope (big
> python framework) and is built in a manner where you kinda have to adopt an
> all-or-nothing approach to it. Cost of entry is a big higher than what you
> might expect but it is well written, has gobs of powerful features, and
> there are some very large complex systems based on Plone.
>
> All that said, taking on Zope was not really in the cards for me. It was
> quite innovated in its day but is kindof heavy handed compared to other
> python frameworks. I understand Zope3 is more refactored and I expect Plone
> has been ported to it by now but I've not had a pure CMS situation in which
> to try it out yet. My requirements are always *some other major
> functionality* + a CMS so other frameworks like Django have been more
> appropriate for us.
>
> Frankly, until recently there has been almost zero python in Thailand so
> I don't expect you'll find too many Plone devs but there are probably a few
> who have independently discovered/adopted it somewhere out there.
>
> best of luck,
>
> -- Ben Scherrey
>
I've been using Plone for the last couple of years. Its (almost)
perfect for what I do. I was just wondering if there was any other
Plone users because it might be nice to meet them.
Zope 3 hasn't been refactored it was entirely rewritten. Because of
this Plone still hasn't been ported to it and it doesn't look like it
will anytime soon. However, it uses a technology called Five which
allows u use Zope 2 + 3 together. Plone 3 is very eloquent. And I
don't need to do a lot of development because the almost all the
components are already there. I work in the education industry. It has
great education modules. However, I haven't had the pleasure of using
a lighter framework like Django, Turbogears or Pylons.
Best wishes,
Tony
On Nov 21, 9:55 pm, "proteus guy" <proteus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I've used it a while back. Plone is a powerful and big system. It is
> entirely a CMS, which, if that's what you're interested in (ala Drupal,
> etc...) then it might be right for you. It is written on top of Zope (big
> python framework) and is built in a manner where you kinda have to adopt an
> all-or-nothing approach to it. Cost of entry is a big higher than what you
> might expect but it is well written, has gobs of powerful features, and
> there are some very large complex systems based on Plone.
>
> All that said, taking on Zope was not really in the cards for me. It was
> quite innovated in its day but is kindof heavy handed compared to other
> python frameworks. I understand Zope3 is more refactored and I expect Plone
> has been ported to it by now but I've not had a pure CMS situation in which
> to try it out yet. My requirements are always *some other major
> functionality* + a CMS so other frameworks like Django have been more
> appropriate for us.
>
> Frankly, until recently there has been almost zero python in Thailand so
> I don't expect you'll find too many Plone devs but there are probably a few
> who have independently discovered/adopted it somewhere out there.
>
> best of luck,
>
> -- Ben Scherrey
>
tony
Nov 21, 2008, 5:11:21 PM11/21/08
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Hi Nick,
Are you still in Thailand or back in the UK?
Tony
Are you still in Thailand or back in the UK?
Tony
Nick Martin
Nov 21, 2008, 8:12:45 PM11/21/08
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Back in the UK over the holidays and hopefully back in Thailand in
the early new year. Maybe I'll actually make it to a camp :)
Nick
the early new year. Maybe I'll actually make it to a camp :)
Nick
muriel bowie
Nov 21, 2008, 10:11:49 PM11/21/08
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Just saw this thread. I don't have much input on the question Plone in
Thailand, and I have never really used it. The reason why I have not
used it, might be worth mentioning though. I used to work with one of
the more active Plone devs in the past, and he said that since he had
worked on Plone, he doesn't trust any non-relational data models
anymore ;). It seems that much of the core code is a big mess and
contains many inconsitent decisions that were made at the initial
stages of the project.
Thailand, and I have never really used it. The reason why I have not
used it, might be worth mentioning though. I used to work with one of
the more active Plone devs in the past, and he said that since he had
worked on Plone, he doesn't trust any non-relational data models
anymore ;). It seems that much of the core code is a big mess and
contains many inconsitent decisions that were made at the initial
stages of the project.
Imho, Zope/Plone is just too big for most projects and can be replaced
by a simpler custom implementation in
Django/Turbogears/Web.py/whatever. You might end up spending the same
amount of time getting Zope/Plone to work exactly in the way you want.
Muriel
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Arthit Suriyawongkul
Nov 21, 2008, 10:51:17 PM11/21/08
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tony
Nov 21, 2008, 11:47:28 PM11/21/08
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Hi Muriel,
I understand where you're coming from. In many cases it Plone is too
big. It also has got a steeper learning curve than the lighter
frameworks which obviously isn't a good thing. However, the
application is being continuously refactored by very smart people. I'd
be surprised if dodgy Plone 1 code was still in Plone 3. But I'm not
an expert. Just a happy user. Plone has got a friendly community. I'll
CC this email to their list and lets see what they have to say.
Best wishes,
Tony
I understand where you're coming from. In many cases it Plone is too
big. It also has got a steeper learning curve than the lighter
frameworks which obviously isn't a good thing. However, the
application is being continuously refactored by very smart people. I'd
be surprised if dodgy Plone 1 code was still in Plone 3. But I'm not
an expert. Just a happy user. Plone has got a friendly community. I'll
CC this email to their list and lets see what they have to say.
Best wishes,
Tony
Arthit Suriyawongkul
Nov 21, 2008, 11:56:37 PM11/21/08
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talking about PHP CMS framework that so flexible, able to do many things,
anyone here use TYPO3 ?
anyone here use TYPO3 ?
there's a small forum of TYPO3 user group in Thailand
http://forum.t3net.in.th/
... i think many of them are expat, and speaking German (look at the forum)
UNESCO Bangkok website use TYPO3
http://unescobkk.org/index.php?id=5145&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=80&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=95&cHash=d666d6757b
key differences of these 'big' CMS framework: Plone, TYPO3, ... ?
Sugree Phatanapherom
Nov 22, 2008, 5:33:17 AM11/22/08
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My old sites used to be Phone and then after me, KMITNB and NECTEC have used Plone also. My sites has just been migrated to Drupal last month.
Plone is still my almost perfect solution. Well, it's more than overkill for those sites.
sugree
Plone is still my almost perfect solution. Well, it's more than overkill for those sites.
sugree
Andreas Becker
Nov 22, 2008, 6:48:12 AM11/22/08
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Hi
Yes TYPO3 is very comon in Phuket where our Agency develops lots of TYPO3 websites.
In 2006 we founded the ThaiPo3 User groupand had several free workshops at UNESCO Bangkok with International developers and us presenting their work and doing 3-5 day trainings for free.
In 2006 we founded the ThaiPo3 User groupand had several free workshops at UNESCO Bangkok with International developers and us presenting their work and doing 3-5 day trainings for free.
Currently we are actually looking for a couple of qualified PHP Developers who would like to come to Phuket working with us on TYPO3, Magento, Silverstripe, Mahara and EZ Projects.
Our clients are big organisations like Universities, NGO Organisations but also smaller SME and private clients and of course UNESCO - also the UNESCO Bangkok website is made with TYPO3 and end next week hopefully the new site made with the newest Version of TYPO3 will be launched, we are sitting just in that moment making final stuf and preparing for the big TYPO3 Training next week. (This one will be only internal - but other trainings will follow soon)
Why don't you come down to the Barcamp Phuket next Saturday and learn more about TYPO3.
The forum you mentioned is made by a German but the communication with Developers here in Thailand don't go thru this forum as we know each other and of course we have all lots to do already. On the other side if you need help you will need to check the real big forum in Germany and the Mailinglists. There are only a few TYPO3 developers and we communicate mostly internally thru mail, googletalk/skype and of course thru the real big Mailing List of TYPO3.org. TYPO3 is actually a very good CMS with lots of possibilities and mainly used in Europe. It is very flexible and has the biggest active User Community.
If you wana start with TYPO3 then you willl have two possibilities. Start from scratch and you will need a very steep learning curve. But TYPO3 is well documented. Or simply check out this website package here:
The best english spoken Forum:
The best How Tos on the web
The starter Package - simply download it and install uit and here you go!
For those who wanna try TYPO3 on their PC - it comes with a server:
Other starter Package
If you want to see what you will get have a look at the DEMO site:
On this site you can also test all the available Templates and many more are coming for christmas together with TYPO3 4.3
and a complete new way to edit content - have a look to the video
But TYPO3 is much more then only a CMS
Best of it and much much better then in any other community like in PHP Nuke Thai (also made in Phuket), Zikula, Drupal, Plone and all others is the HUGE active community. About 5000 Developers are developing TYPO3 activly.
Have a look to the reference database:
Here you have some free articles
But don't forget to check out all the video podcasts on Kaspars site - Kaspar created TYPO3 and then made it available under GNU.
TYPO3 has one of the best Template Systems integrated with TemplaVoila - Check out the newest Developments:
If you don't like to code check out this here:
In Europe they have lots of TYPO3 User Groups - like our ThaiPo3 User Group for Thailand and South East Asia
Check out the TYPO3 extensions and then start thingking about what you can't do with TYPO3
http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/ (currently about 3506 Extensions are listed here publically)
Have a look to the great upcoming PHP Framework Flow3 which will form the Base for TYPO3 5.0
It is one of the best PHP Framework you can get!
And best of All TYPO3 was having "BarCamps" even before BarCamps where existing.
Every year there are the T3Developer days in Germany - http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/keynote_t3con08.m4v
TYPO3University in Switzerland -
T3Board - the biggest Snow Board Event made by a CMS - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=typo3+snowboard&search_type=&aq=f
T3Conn - this year it took place in Berlin with more then 500 people - http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/keynote_t3con08.m4v
T3Conn US - next year there will be the first TYPO3 Conference in US
T3Dive - Diving in Egypt
T3Sail - Sailing on the Baltic Sea - http://t3sail.net/en/
T3DAD - TEAM3 Developer/Dive/Djungle Adventure Days - planed for 2009 in Phuket!!! -
This community event in Phuket is planned not only for TYPO3 - That is why it is called TEAM3 instead of TYPO3 or ThaiPo3 - Families are welcome too.
This community event in Phuket is planned not only for TYPO3 - That is why it is called TEAM3 instead of TYPO3 or ThaiPo3 - Families are welcome too.
Join us - come down to Phuket - learn more about TYPO3 - Join the TYPO3 Community - Make TYPO3 popular in Thailand and China as it is already elsewhere in the world - Join our Team and our Projects.
For more informations you can write:
LisAndi Co. Ltd.
Websolutions
15/21 M.2 Viset Road
Rawai Muang Phuket
83130 Phuket
or give us a call
081 606 3378
or mail us in...@lisandi.com
Join one of our next local Barcamps in Phuket which take place every 1st Saturday at LisAndi Garden (our Office and Garden ;-)
You can check out the next events here:
http://barcamp.org/BarCampPhuket0811 - click simply thru to the next Themes - they might change depending on the interest of the visitors.
And don't forget to join the HUGE Bar Camp Phuket http://barcampphuket.org
If you are interested in a TYPO3 Training then, please let us know. And of course please contact us if you are interested in joing us in Phuket. If you want to work with us you should be able to work with PHP Frameworks like Zend Framework, Varien FrameWork, EZFramework, Codeigniter (only very few requests) - We only accept applications from developers who are willing to work ON TIME - this is actually our biggest problem here in Thailand, but we try hard to change this and move more and more of our development from Indian Developers to Thai Developers. - Sorry but in an international Business Sabei Sabei Habits are totally deplaced and harm our business a lot! Working conditions are very good and very flexible for those who finished their first projects successfully On Time.
We accept also applications from developers who want to work only on Magento and/or only on TYPO3. Please specify your qualifications and on which projects you would like to work.Don't forget to send us some of your precious work examples. Thanks!
By the way I am still in Bangkok until Tuesday!
-----------------------------------
Have fun with TYPO3
Andi
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TYPO3 Projects in Thailand or made from Thailand or made from Thailand about TYPO3:
http://unescobkk.org (in Thailand)
http://gnu.unescobkk.org (in Thailand)
http://eastwestcenter.org (in Hawai)
http://hfk-rottenburg.de (in Germany)
http://typo3.lisandi.com (building up and getting more and more)
and many more sites around the world
tonsai...@googlemail.com
Nov 23, 2008, 8:11:45 AM11/23/08
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drupal :)
> The best How Tos on the webhttp://webempoweredchurch.com/support/howtos/
> TYPO3University in Switzerland -
> T3Board - the biggest Snow Board Event made by a CMS -http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=typo3+snowboard&search_ty...http://www.typo3-media.com/blog/article/t3board-08.htmlhttp://association.typo3.org/no_cache/committees/event/t3board09/
> T3Conn - this year it took place in Berlin with more then 500 people -http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/keynote_t3con08.m4vhttp://t3con08.typo3.org/
>
> The starter Package - simply download it and install uit and here you go!
> For those who wanna try TYPO3 on their PC - it comes with a server:http://webempoweredchurch.org/products/wec_starter/wectypo3server/
>
> Other starter Packagehttp://webempoweredchurch.org/products/wec_starter/
> The starter Package - simply download it and install uit and here you go!
> For those who wanna try TYPO3 on their PC - it comes with a server:http://webempoweredchurch.org/products/wec_starter/wectypo3server/
>
>
> If you want to see what you will get have a look at the DEMO site:http://demo.webempoweredchurch.com/
> On this site you can also test all the available Templates and many more are
> coming for christmas together with TYPO3 4.3
> and a complete new way to edit content - have a look to the videohttp://webempoweredchurch.org/home/usevideo/
> If you want to see what you will get have a look at the DEMO site:http://demo.webempoweredchurch.com/
> On this site you can also test all the available Templates and many more are
> coming for christmas together with TYPO3 4.3
>
> But TYPO3 is much more then only a CMS
> Best of it and much much better then in any other community like in PHP Nuke
> Thai (also made in Phuket), Zikula, Drupal, Plone and all others is the HUGE
> active community. About 5000 Developers are developing TYPO3 activly.
>
> http://typo3.org/
>
> Have a look to the reference database:http://typo3.com/
>
> Here you have some free articleshttp://typo3.org/news-single-view/?tx_newsimporter_pi1%5BshowItem%5D=...
> But TYPO3 is much more then only a CMS
> Best of it and much much better then in any other community like in PHP Nuke
> Thai (also made in Phuket), Zikula, Drupal, Plone and all others is the HUGE
> active community. About 5000 Developers are developing TYPO3 activly.
>
> http://typo3.org/
>
> Have a look to the reference database:http://typo3.com/
>
>
> But don't forget to check out all the video podcasts on Kaspars site -
> Kaspar created TYPO3 and then made it available under GNU.http://typo3.org/podcasts/kasper
> But don't forget to check out all the video podcasts on Kaspars site -
>
> TYPO3 has one of the best Template Systems integrated with TemplaVoila -
> Check out the newest Developments:http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/templavoilafirewall.m4v
>
> If you don't like to code check out this here:http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/keynote_t3con08.m4v
>
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=typo3&search_type=&aq=f
>
> In Europe they have lots of TYPO3 User Groups - like our ThaiPo3 User Group
> for Thailand and South East Asiahttp://typo3.org/community/mailing-lists/http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/typo3-english/
> TYPO3 has one of the best Template Systems integrated with TemplaVoila -
> Check out the newest Developments:http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/templavoilafirewall.m4v
>
> If you don't like to code check out this here:http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/keynote_t3con08.m4v
>
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=typo3&search_type=&aq=f
>
> In Europe they have lots of TYPO3 User Groups - like our ThaiPo3 User Group
>
> Check out the TYPO3 extensions and then start thingking about what you can't
> do with TYPO3http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/(currently about 3506 Extensions are
> Check out the TYPO3 extensions and then start thingking about what you can't
> listed here publically)
>
> Have a look to the great upcoming PHP Framework Flow3 which will form the
> Base for TYPO3 5.0
> It is one of the best PHP Framework you can get!
>
> And best of All TYPO3 was having "BarCamps" even before BarCamps where
> existing.
> Every year there are the T3Developer days in Germany -http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/keynote_t3con08.m4v
>
> Have a look to the great upcoming PHP Framework Flow3 which will form the
> Base for TYPO3 5.0
> It is one of the best PHP Framework you can get!
>
> And best of All TYPO3 was having "BarCamps" even before BarCamps where
> existing.
> TYPO3University in Switzerland -
> T3Board - the biggest Snow Board Event made by a CMS -http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=typo3+snowboard&search_ty...http://www.typo3-media.com/blog/article/t3board-08.htmlhttp://association.typo3.org/no_cache/committees/event/t3board09/
> T3Conn - this year it took place in Berlin with more then 500 people -http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/keynote_t3con08.m4vhttp://t3con08.typo3.org/
> T3Conn US - next year there will be the first TYPO3 Conference in US
> T3Dive - Diving in Egypt
> T3Sail - Sailing on the Baltic Sea -http://t3sail.net/en/
> T3Dive - Diving in Egypt
> T3DAD - TEAM3 Developer/Dive/Djungle Adventure Days - planed for 2009 in
> Phuket!!! -
> This community event in Phuket is planned not only for TYPO3 - That is why
> it is called TEAM3 instead of TYPO3 or ThaiPo3 - Families are welcome too.
>
> Join us - come down to Phuket - learn more about TYPO3 - Join the TYPO3
> Community - Make TYPO3 popular in Thailand and China as it is already
> elsewhere in the world - Join our Team and our Projects.
>
> For more informations you can write:
> LisAndi Co. Ltd.
> Websolutions
> 15/21 M.2 Viset Road
> Rawai Muang Phuket
> 83130 Phuket
>
> or give us a call
> 081 606 3378
>
> or mail us i...@lisandi.com
> Phuket!!! -
> This community event in Phuket is planned not only for TYPO3 - That is why
> it is called TEAM3 instead of TYPO3 or ThaiPo3 - Families are welcome too.
>
> Join us - come down to Phuket - learn more about TYPO3 - Join the TYPO3
> Community - Make TYPO3 popular in Thailand and China as it is already
> elsewhere in the world - Join our Team and our Projects.
>
> For more informations you can write:
> LisAndi Co. Ltd.
> Websolutions
> 15/21 M.2 Viset Road
> Rawai Muang Phuket
> 83130 Phuket
>
> or give us a call
> 081 606 3378
>
>
> Join one of our next local Barcamps in Phuket which take place every 1st
> Saturday at LisAndi Garden (our Office and Garden ;-)
> You can check out the next events here:http://barcampphuket.com
>
> http://barcamp.org/BarCampPhuket0811 - click simply thru to the next Themes
> - they might change depending on the interest of the visitors.
>
> And don't forget to join the HUGE Bar Camp Phukethttp://barcampphuket.org
> Join one of our next local Barcamps in Phuket which take place every 1st
> Saturday at LisAndi Garden (our Office and Garden ;-)
> You can check out the next events here:http://barcampphuket.com
>
> http://barcamp.org/BarCampPhuket0811 - click simply thru to the next Themes
> - they might change depending on the interest of the visitors.
>
>
> If you are interested in a TYPO3 Training then, please let us know. And of
> course please contact us if you are interested in joing us in Phuket. If you
> want to work with us you should be able to work with PHP Frameworks like
> Zend Framework, Varien FrameWork, EZFramework, Codeigniter (only very few
> requests) - We only accept applications from developers who are willing to
> work ON TIME - this is actually our biggest problem here in Thailand, but we
> try hard to change this and move more and more of our development from
> Indian Developers to Thai Developers. - Sorry but in an international
> Business Sabei Sabei Habits are totally deplaced and harm our business a
> lot! Working conditions are very good and very flexible for those who
> finished their first projects successfully On Time.
>
> We accept also applications from developers who want to work only on Magento
> and/or only on TYPO3. Please specify your qualifications and on which
> projects you would like to work.Don't forget to send us some of your
> precious work examples. Thanks!
>
> By the way I am still in Bangkok until Tuesday!
> -----------------------------------
> Have fun with TYPO3
>
> Andi
>
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Andi
Nov 23, 2008, 11:00:35 PM11/23/08
to Barcamp Thailand
Hi Tonsai
A bit more explanation would be very helpful - don't you think so?
On Nov 23, 8:11 pm, "tonsai.me...@googlemail.com"
<tonsai.me...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> drupal :)
Drupal, Joomla, TYPO3 and other CMS have all their own benefits. As a
summary you could say:
Joomla is a nice click and go box but it always stays a box with very
hard borders. If you need a small (not of security trimmed site) and
have no special wishes click and go with joomla ;-) But I really not
recommend Joomla for sites which need to work with more then 1 editor.
If you want to make Joomla more secure for more editors you can Hack
the Core but then you won't be able to upgrade easily to a higher
version ;-)
The Belgium Drupal is nice for social networking. So if you wanna
design an online community it might be a good system even out their
are meanwhile much better online community systems then Drupal if you
only need the community feature. The main problem in Drupal is the way
they organise the content. Ok if you are a master of Taxonomy (the
word is meaning order and arrangement) and Nodes then it might work
out for you but I guess most editors don't know about a Taxonomy
System at all and need to learn it from scratch. Taxonomy is good to
group content and you can assign content o each other easy. Read more
about Taxonomy here: If you have a site with only frontend editors
this might not be a point but if you have to work with many backend
editors its a problem and many are complaining about this and it needs
lots of training to get thru it.
TYPO3 does it much simpler. It is using the well known Folder/Filetree
from any OS as a Pagetree and you can very easy move around pages and
content. Additional they are using a Storage Folder Concept to store
content like News or extension specific content.
The other much bigger problem in HUGE sites is the rights management.
In Joomla you better forget about this point at all. But also Drupal
has no real role model and separation of admin and simple registered
users. You can only choose rights for actions which is really unuseful
in sights i.e. like the UNESCO site or sites of any bigger
organisation with concerns in security!
In TYPO3 you can assign each single thing to a special purpose/user/
role. i.e. if someone is allowed to click here ore there or is only
able to read something vs to write something. The User rights
Management of TYPO3 is the best you can get on the OpenSource CMS site
beside Red Dot (which isn't Open Source). TYPO3 can be clustered,
Backend and Frontend can even run on separate spaces, you can maintain
your site via a remote site and if you have a look to the sites made
with TYPO3 you will see that the ranges are endless what you can do
with TYPO3. This is the main fact why in Europe more and more
Companies and Organizations switch to TYPO3. There is also a faster
growing TYPO3 Market in US and also in China! Check out some of the
TYPO3 agencies in Germany or Netherlands and you will see that this is
simply a totally other dimension of business the TYPO3 people are
working in - compared to those working with drupal and joomla.
In Terms of Compatibilty you will often face huge problems with Drupal
as many modules are not backward compatible. Also uploading Modules is
more complicated. In Joomla most modules are backward compatible and
in TYPO3 you can very easy upgrade your plugins and extensions by the
integrated extension manager. It allows you also to switch back to a
former version!
Templates:
If you are looking for Drupal Templates it is quite boring to find
some free one. In Joomla you have lots and colorful but most of them
are not backward compatible. In TYPO3 you have some free one and since
WEC we have over hundreds of easy to install, customizable free
Templates.
Future Development:
Drupal: Dries Buytart (Drupal Lead Developer): Drupal never had an
official roadmap, and will never have one. People perceive a roadmap
as a list of formal deliverables; they feel stranded when the roadmap
is changed, and get upset when functionality is not completed in time.
Volunteer-driven projects like Drupal can't make any guarantees.
Things happen, or not. Code is ready, when it's ready. Volunteer-
driven projects don't mix well with official roadmaps.
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This is causing problems for future developments as it s't really sure
what is going on in future and where the road might go. But companies
and organizations need a CMS which is also reliable in future
developments ;-)
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In Joomla you have a roadmap but until now - even since all those
years since Joomla get parted from Mambo there is absolutly no
steadiness and with each new realease you need to fear that you have
to start new.
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In TYPO3 a roadmap is existing and there are regular reports about
what is going on. This gives companies lots of security for future
investments. http://typo3.org/development/roadmap/
http://typo3.org/development/roadmap/berlin-manifesto/
http://jeffsegars.com/2008/10/19/frontend-editing-for-typo3-43/
Another big plus of TYPO3 is the Management of Digital Assets and the
possibility to edit your pictures in the Backend if needed.
By the way TYPO3 is available in THAI!
But which CMS should I use for what?
1.) You want to run a small private site and you don't need a real
blog and are happy with an english backend then run Joomla, if you
also want to run a blog then run Drupal. (or even better run eZ-
Publish - have a look at the end of this text)
2.) You want to run a private or business site where many users could
contribute text then run your site in Drupal if you don't need to
secure your content somehow. Every normal user is allowed to edit his
own content. Don't use TYPO3 for this purpose if you don't have much
time to build up this site. If you are ineterested that even different
usergroups can submit content via sms, mms, life video and more then I
recommend you eZ-Publish. It is way better for this purpose then any
other CMS.
3.) You want to build up a site for SME or Organisation where
different users should have different rights and areas where they will
be able to access and edit or read content. You want perhaps even
combine an Intranet with your site. For this purpose I recommend Red
Dot (if you have the necessary "small amount of funds" :-) or TYPO3
(Open Source and free upgrades and Thousands of free mdules) - You
need to calculate a bit more time to get your site well organized with
all user rights and features (as there are simply many options you
have to consider about) - If you don't care about this and want to
have a site now you can also try Drupal but for sure the security and
user rights management will cause you lots of headaches and perhaps
even much more time then the complete site in TYPO3 would take. Also
here eZ-Publish - especially eZ-Flow combined with the Newsletter and
eCommerce module might be the right mix you would need. An eZ-Flow
site takes about 30 Minutes to set up and Customization can start.
4.) You want to build up a website but don't have much knowledge about
any CMS
Best choose a qualified Agency and ask them what they would recommend
for your purpose. If you still want to build your site by yourself you
can use an Agency which offers continues assistance and training.
i.e. You could use the WEC-Starter Package - comes along with News,
Forum, iCalendar, Staff Directory, Guest Book, Smooth Gallery, Job
Board, Podcasting, Blog, Discussion and Commenting on sites, Simple
Google Map, Frontend User Map, ePresentation, Flash Player and much
more - (it has already 80 Templates integrated which you can click
clack site by site or for whole branches)
or
i.e. use T3Pack which is based on WEC-Starter Package but it is
already customized for the needs of SME, Companies and Organizations.
Additional to the above mentioned features it comes along with
Organisation Chart, Wiki, Yellow Pages (incl Google Map, different
size of adds xs - xxl), Memberpages/Management, Real Estate/Rental
Manager with integrated Gallery, Big Job Board, Classifieds, Seminars/
Conference Manager, Music Manager, Video Gallery, Galleries with
eCard, send News Feature, Tip a Friend and more - all features are
easily to activate and deactivate by a simple click in the Feature
Manager, Instead of building up a site from scratch we just go the
other way and deliver a working site which gets customized. This way
the customer can start working on his site already on the second day
(actually after 3 hours if he host with us) He will be guided thru the
whole development process by online "on the job" training. Additional
to the above mentioned templates these sites come along with over 150
ready to use templates (soon much more) which then can be customized
easily.
or
use one of the Drupal Microsites if you only need a site to be set up
in the next couple of hours and you won't need no future extension of
this site.
or
use eZ-Flow or eZ-Publish which have a way better backend than TYPO3
and Drupal - it has a very good user rights management - fulfils all
criteria for a community, social networking website, it is maintained
by an open source company which ensures you a very stable and reliable
coding and development, It is easy to setup and it has multimedia
features you need to install in drupal or TYPO3 separate. On the other
hand you should know what you are doing as the free communities like
you know them from TYPO3 or Drupal are simply missing or not really
helpful.
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The future in most CMS development will be the usability for the
customer and NOT the one for the developer. People will focus more and
more on SERVICE and continues Service and Training. This was a big
manko in the past years especially in the open source sector but it
changes more and more as you can see on support models of Magento /
Silverstripe / eZ-Publish / and many others will follow.
Our big chance here in Thailand is actually to get these or similar
combined support models running from Thailand. Therefore we need a
much much better English proficiency, we need "on time" agile
development and we need to meet international standards and biggest
demand - we need to have enough qualified human resources which are
able to work with Frameworks - (so perhaps the education has to take
more care about this! More Zend / Varien / eZFlow/ Flow3 instead of
cobol ;-)
Thailand has a very good geographical situation as a hub to reach out
to China which will be the biggest market in the next couple of years.
Unfortunately at the moment it seems that it is only using 25% or less
of its current IT potential. Why?
Andi
tonsai...@googlemail.com
Nov 25, 2008, 10:02:36 AM11/25/08
to Barcamp Thailand
> A bit more explanation would be very helpful - don't you think so?
It was more a joke because @sugree and @jfxberns already converted
most cms developer in bangkok to drupal :=)
i don't think your comparision specially with drupal is very accurate,
but i's a bit tiering to argue what is best cms. It' just a tool and
at the end your website has to be great. Whatever you feel comfortable
with, just use it.
Jan
Sugree Phatanapherom
Nov 25, 2008, 9:29:17 PM11/25/08
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Drupal is not perfect. ;)
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