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[Michael Skully]

The attached letter is no surprise - nothing is happening to address indexation.

The third paragraph shows that there has been some efforts made, but not surprisingly, the British government is not interested.

This is the problem with the Australian government. They continue to delegate the solution to the Minister for Social Security. The prime minister should be taking the lead and meeting with Canada, New Zealand and other frozen country leaders. The Commonwealth Heads of Government meetings offer the perfect opportunity. This is not something for the official agenda but rather a pre or post meeting outside the formal one.

Mike Skully

[Richard Denton]

I wonder if it is possible to find out how many of the western democracies pay pensions with full COL indexing no matter where the pensioner lives. France does. I worked in France for 9 years mid 1970’s to early 1980’s and get my small pension with annual indexation paid into my Australian bank account. France also has a superb on line pension service that tells me everything needed to know. If we can find out if other democracies are like France we can mount a very powerful public campaign shaming the UK.

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[Annie Cory]

A link to the list of countries was published on this site recently. 

On 21 Feb 2024, at 16:47, 'Richard Denton' via BAPA <bapa...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I wonder if it is possible to find out how many of the western democracies pay pensions with full COL indexing no matter where the pensioner lives. France does. I worked in France for 9 years mid 1970’s to early 1980’s and get my small pension with annual indexation paid into my Australian bank account. France also has a superb on line pension service that tells me everything needed to know. If we can find out if other democracies are like France we can mount a very powerful public campaign shaming the UK.

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[David Taylor]

The cost/potential benefit of such strategy is such that it’s within our capabilities and worth a try – although given the element of historical cantankerousness between the French and English, I can see that using the example of France alone could easily induce the opposite effect!

 

David

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[Michael Goodall]

All OECD countries pay their pensioners the annual increases no matter where they live in the world. Except the UK who are still 70 years behiond the rest of the OECD.

Even that fact doesn't sway themas they believe that the UK increases are based on UK cost etc (triple lock) whereas som tin pot colonial doesn't really need the increases because the cost of living isn't the same as in the UK!!!!!!!!

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[Steve Symmons]

Rather than just communicating with the incumbent governments, there might be more benefit making inquiries to their respective oppositions as to their proposed policies regarding frozen pensions (?)

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[Sheila Lean]

The Netherlands, Republic of Ireland and Germany also. I have met a lady who received a pension from Poland or Hungary (can't remember which) was also indexed. I suspect the UK is the only one not to index pensions mainly in Commonwealth Countries as pensions paid in US and Europe are indexed.

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[tan...@smartchat.net.au]

There are about 1 million ex-pat UK pensioners. Over half of them are not frozen and most of those live in the USA and EU countries. Of the rest, nearly half a million pensioners live in Commonwealth countries. The UK is the only country that discriminates on the basis of where you live. Not all Commonwealth countries are frozen. If you want to know more try the British Pensions in Australia web site.

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[clive walford]

AS THE  REST OF THE WORLD  CRUMBLES INTO OBLIVION THE UK GOVERNMENT CONTINUES  TO  SHOW ITS STRENGTH !

The Prime Minister and cabinet continue to flex their muscles against the V V,  (Vulnerable Victims), Such as the pensioners, (the UK still the lowest pension in the western world?). The low  paid and poor, (which include the children of those living in poverty?). Some of The War Veterans that laid their lives on the line for the freedom of democracy? (a choice they are now denied as to which country they can live in retirement without being frozen? A hero robbed by gov’ts Frozen Pension  Whim?).

It was not I, that first used the word WHIM. That was one of the knowledgeable judges in the EU High Court in the Carson, (frozen pensioner), Case.  (“it is not a frozen pension policy, it is a frozen pension WHIM!”)

Even though the GOVERNMENT FINANCES SHOW BIG SURPLUS  IN JANUARY, (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68346802),

 will they still have the strength to hold off the pressures of the V V, to give truth to the gov’t manifesto of “equality, fairness and justice?” SEE NOTE 1.

(equality; there is just one rule for US, Oh, and just one rule for them.

Fairness and justice; we get the sack and a possible criminal charge. They get a slap on the wrist and a 30 day ban from the Commons. (could be arranged while your on your 3 week holiday in the Caribbean ?).

Note 1. of course now the coming election has been announced, by the Tory “votes for ever” advertisements in Facebook, might things change somewhat?

12.5 MILLION  STATE PENSIONERS

1.1  MILLION LIVE OVERSEAS.

HALF OF THOSE ARE  FROZEN

THE OTHER HALF ARE NOT   FROZEN

(WHAT WAS I SAYING ABOUT

EQUALITY, FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE?

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[Bernie Treichel]

Perhaps things will change when Australia becomes a republic! Just saying.

Bernie Treichel 

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[Michael Goodall]

Not a flying pigs chance in a typhoon.

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[mary barber]

It didn’t in south Africa when they became a republic

 

 

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[Jill & Ken Willes]

There might be a glimmer of hope when Labour inevitably wins the next election.  We can perhaps do our bit by registering to vote now votes for life legislation has been enacted

Fingers crossed

Ken Willes

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[Bernie Treichel]

Yes I think I would have to agree!

Bernie Treichel 

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[Bernie Treichel]

Maybe I should write to the King. He seams like a reasonable chap and he likes Australia. Anyone got an email address?

Bernie Treichel 

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[Linda OBrien]

Mary Barber. My uncle serviced in the desert in WW2 and then worked in UK before moving to Rhodesia, Malawi and eventually South Africa. All those years they paid in to the UK pension. When they both retired it was never increased, stayed at the amount the day they became pensioners! What a rip off! A friends mother and father were both in the services during WW2. She lived until she was in her 90’s and apparently, in South Africa, she was “living” on about SAR60 a month! What a slap in the face that must have been. 

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[Michael Skully]

His Majesty The King
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[mary barber]

Yes all crap. I could move from Australia to Mauritius or the Phillipines BUT why should I just to get my full pension A

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[Bernie Treichel]

I am beginning to think this is a Human Rights issue. Why is it that sets of people are treated differently from other sets of people. A kind of monetary apartheid. If anyone is planning on attending one of the Geoffrey Robertson presentations in May, perhaps the question could be asked.

Bernie Treichel 

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[Bernie Treichel]

Thank you Michael. I have decided that Geoffrey Robertson might lead to a better outcome but perhaps I'll do both and also take it up with the minister responsible for the pension non decisions as being a human rights issue.

Bernie Treichel 

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[vivienne bentley walker]

Good idea I might write to the King too, who knows if he gets enough letters, one can only try 😉 

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[Michael Goodall]

Geoffrey Robinson famously said, and I think i might have it on file somewhere ' If he had been used to present the court case at the Appeal to the Supreme Court in the EU, he would have won.'  Perhaps just sour grapes because he wasn't used!!!!!!

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[Tony Hussey]

I agree - it is an absolute outrage that targeted groups of people can be arbitrarily robbed of their entitlements

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[alexander whitehead]

HI MAY BE WE COULD DO WITH A TELE PROGRAM LIKE PENSIONS VS MR BLANKS//////// VS THE GOVERNMENT ALEXANDER WHITEHEAD 

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[Bernie Treichel]

Good. Nothing else seems to be working. Time for a different angle.

Bernie Treichel 

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[John Feltham]

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His Majesty The King
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 21:32, 'Bernie Treichel' via BAPA <bapa...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Maybe I should write to the King. He seams like a reasonable chap and he likes Australia. Anyone got an email address?

Bernie Treichel 

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That won’t work,

He won’t even see the postage stamps on the envelopes.

The PS answer all of his letters and those of the Late Queen.

I know, I fought the UK PS over a flawed statement that we couldn’t wear a medal given to all the UK Services that served in the ‘Undeclared War" with Malaysia and Indonesia.

See also….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Service_Medal

And the campaign that defeated the PS

After 6 years or so.

https://www.fight4thepjm.org

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[Richard Denton]

I wrote to Her Majesty The Queen some years ago and got a nice sympathetic but the matter is handled by the government reply back from her PS (If I can find it could scan and send it on to you if interested)

Richard

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[Marianne]

I sent a letter to Prince William and King Charles, not a peep out of them even though I commented on how many Brits May now have to return due to rising costs and lower pensions.  That was before Christmas.


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[Bernie Treichel]

Yes please thanks Richard

Bernie Treichel 

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[Jonathan Green]

Hi all,

I've said it quite a few times on here but I'll say it again, I think we should come together and take advice from a top barrister in the UK on this.

I don't know the membership figures of BAPA but if all those who can afford to donated $10, $20, $50 or whatever sum was decided upon, I'm sure we could raise enough to get CURRENT legal advice.

I know this subject has gone through the courts before, ending up before the EU courts if I remember rightly. However that was years ago and times have moved on in the equality and human rights legislation since then.

I do not have the necessary knowledge or experience to undertake such a task but would be willing to assist and support anyone with the necessary skills to secure, collate and collect the funds to pay for such advice.

Am I the only one to think this way, or are there others out there who think this could succeed?

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[Di Crabtree]

I totally agree with what you say Jonathan. We do have a collective power, especially those of us that have registered as overseas electors. 

I'm so angered that they treat us all as some sort of breed of toothless old dogs. I would personally be more than happy to contribute to some form of new legal action.

Thank you for raising this.

Di Crabtree 

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[Bruce Englefield]

Dear Jonathon,

Count my wife and me in for a donation. I too believe that with the UK no longer in the EU the EU court of human rights might come to a different finding.

Regards

Bruce.

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[John Murray]

When pension was set up legistration was issued and stated funds would not be accesed or used by gov    as funds income soley for pensioners.      Legaly how could this not happen.

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[JO ODDIE]

We would make a contribution

Jo & Ivor.

PS re currency exchange, we use TorFX. I have no idea how competitive it is against Wise, but it is easy to use. I use my Barclays debit card so just ring up, get a quote & request the transfer. 

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When pension was set up legistration was issued and stated funds would not be accesed or used by gov    as funds income soley for pensioners.      Legaly how could this not happen.

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[Paul Swain]

Jonathan Green wrote on 27/02/2024 9:39 am:

I don't know the membership figures of BAPA but if all those who can afford to donated $10, $20, $50 or whatever sum was decided upon, I'm sure we could raise enough to get CURRENT legal advice.

Hi Jonathan!

BAPA has around 300 members.  Clive probably has access to a few more through PPiI.

Paul

[Sheila Whyte]

I am in favour of developing this current legal advice and would contribute within the suggested amounts,as am sure would others.

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[Jonathan Green]

Hi Paul,

Anyone any idea how much a barrister charges for a consultation?

Even if we started with 20GBP each and some can't manage to pay I reckon we'd get 4-5K as an initial appointment and for them to have a quick (?!) look at our case.

If they are positive we have good grounds to proceed then we can start thinking about proper money raising. Perhaps we could team up with BPIA.com.org and I think there's another in Canada.

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[Bernie Treichel]

Yes I would be in that too. I guess a trust would have to be formed with 3 signatures required to operate. I am not sure how that would work but I am sure it can.

Bernie Treichel 

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[Sheila Whyte]

Yes,a big contingent of  uk ex pats in Canada,but also a big contingent in South Africa. All affected exactly like we are in Australia,ie discriminated against because of where we live,and our pensions frozen

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[Sheila Whyte]

Yes,big contingents of pensioners in Canada AND South Africa,all adversely affected as we are,with frozen pensions from uk

[Sheila Whyte]

In the first instance, I strongly believe that the Aust. Ambassador to Uk, the Canadian and South African ambassadors to UK,should all be highlighting the UKs shortcomings to its pensioners overseas.

Has this ever happened,or been considered as an option?  Pensioners in All these countries are disadvantaged by the deplorable actions of uk governments greed and lack of accountability?

I know that successive uk ambassadors to Aust.,and possibly the other 2 countries,have been challenged in the past,to no avail. I think the challenge needs to be by our ambassadors in London,if indeed they are interested in taking up the cause?

[Sue Haynes]

We'd be happy to make a contribution.  It's the principle as much as the monetary aspect that's important to us. 

John & Sue Haynes 

Perth Australia 

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[Sandi Beaumont]

Perhaps all we pensioners on frozen pensions should threaten to return to the UK and demand our f8 pensions, housing benefits, hospital treatments etc. The bill versus solely paying us our full pension would surely spur them to pay up!

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[Marianne]

Would be nice to think so but I doubt it.  However with the housing crisis world over, it could come to that for even more than have already had to return to the UK.

We are in if it’s not excessive for a solicitor/barrister to look at our case.

Marianne

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[Richard Denton]

OK but we would have to get all (or nearly all) frozen pensioners in Australia on board. The idea was kicked around some years ago and floundered because none of us knew how to access the names and contact details of the quarter million British pensioners in Australia. Presumably only the DWP and CENTRELINK has that information. A case brought to the Court(s) in the UK with the weight of qtr mill discriminated pensioners backing it will be impossible for the court(s) the government and public opinion to dissent and stonewall it.

Of course having got hold of this list of pensioners will then require BAPA BPiA organisation and effort to contact every pensioner to get their signed agreement and their names on to the submission to the court(s).

To sum up and to get started do any of us now know today how to get the list of British pensioners in Australia?

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 Would be nice to think so but I doubt it.  However with the housing crisis world over, it could come to that for even more than have already had to return to the UK.

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[mary barber]

My Barclays bank has closed my account of 45 years because I don’t have a UH address so you are lucky to still have a debit card . beware  you may not have it for long !!!!

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[Annie Cory]

My Barclays account closed too after over 50 years with them and my father and grandfather before me. Angry out it because had my occupational pension paid there to use when in The UK. 

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[alexander whitehead]

hi i HAVE lived in Australia more than half my life but paid into the uk pension scheme until i came to AUSSIE i am now 91yrs of age that means they owe me about 26yrs back pay i dont believe in santa-claus but he makes more sence to me than the BRITISH JUSTICE       MR BLANK VS UK POLLIES THATS THE WAY TO GO    ALEXANDER WHITEHEAD  

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[Jan Harrison]

I am particularly peeved about this as I didn't emigrate to Australia until I was 62 and already receiving my UK pension which I had been paying into for the required 30 years. I receive the same amount today as I did in 2014 when I left England to come to Australia to marry my beloved Australian husband. When I visit the UK I always apply for the full amount which to date is almost £300 a month more than I receive here. In any other circumstance this withholding of funds because I have the temerity to live in Australia rather than say France, would be the subject of an investigation and possible criminal proceedings. I have written to Sir Roger Gale who was at one time my local MP and has an interest in pension injustice but the British Government is totally unwilling to move an inch on this. I can't see this ever being resolved in my time but it makes me feel better to express my opinion!

Jan Harrison 

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[Annie Cory]

Similar for me Jan.  I was in my mid fifties when arrived in Australia. I had paid the maximum contributions allowed pls graduated pension and SERPS.  I get the pension allocated to me in 2005.  Like you I do claim the increased pension during my frequent visits to the UK. 

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[alexander whitehead]

DEAR JAN i think you know thru my writing on the subject i am 91ys i have written to LORD ARBUTHNOT about our plight .and the last nine or ten PRIME MINISTER OF THE UK  NO REPLY FROM  

      ANY OF THEM   BUT I WILL KEEP TRYING UNTIL MY LAST BREATH .ITS NOW THE CASE WITH ME ITS NOT THE MONEY ITS THE INJUSTICE .MY FATHER WAS IN BOTH WORLD WARS .WHAT DID HE GET A CRUMY `DEMOB SUIT WHAT DID I GET A FATHER WHO BELIEVED IN FAMILY AND FAIR PLAY .WHAT ELSE DID I GET POLITICIANS .TWO OUT OF THREE AN;T BAD.I AM GOING TO LIE DOWN AND TAKE AN ASPIRIN WITH A NICE GLASS OF WINE IF I CAN AFFORD IT CHEERS   ALEXANDER WHITEHEAD       

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[bow...@bigpond.net.au]

BAPA Members

 

I meant to respond earlier to this discussion on the way forward for persons in Australia who have an entitlement to a British State Pension (because we made the payments during our working life) but the UK government continues to refuse to increase pensions to us because we live in Australia (a Commonwealth Country). It is an example of the British hypocrisy and the way they believe that they can take from the lesser countries in the Commonwealth (previously the Empire).

 

Having got that off my chest I should say that if members of BAPA wish to take the matter further and make donations to get advice on the way to overcome this unfair treatment of the older generation, they should consider joining BPiA (British Pensions in Australia) that does have a moderate financial strength as a result of members paying an annual fee (Single $30 Family $45)  – with almost 3,000 members BPiA has an annual fighting fund of just under $80,000.

 

BPiA works with a sister Canadian organisation (CABP) that is fighting the case for Canadian pensioners who suffer the same treatment – jointly known as the International Consortium of Brish Pensioners (ICBP).  Together they employ a UK advisory firm Tendo Consulting that takes our case to the Westminster system.

 

You may be aware of these facts, but I would suggest that if members of BAPA are looking to make a financial donation to fight the cause against the “Frozen Pension” system then it would be more likely to be effective if that contribution is made into the BPiA established system  rather than trying to get started independently.

 

I should advise that President Patrick Edwards is currently in Westminster for a week on a mission set up by Tendo Consulting to get the UK government to reassess the way UK Pensioners who live in Commonwealth countries are paid their State Pensions.  He has a program of meetings with a number of Politicians and Senior Civil Servants to get the matter of “Frozen Pensions” resolved.

 

You might like to visit the BPiA website to find out more about the way BPiA is fighting the cause

 

Home - British Pensions in Australia (bpia.org.au)

 

Brian

(Past President of BPiA)

 

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[Robert Bishop]

Could the person in UK at the moment liase with the APPG people who have meetings with the Chancellor of the Exchequer to express our dismay at the handling of the Frozen Pensions in Australia and Canada?

Find out a way to bring this to the attention of the Parliament for both parties?

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