RE: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

[saradindu basu]

Dear Shri Somasekhara,
                                   I completely agree with you. The relevent case may not be directly linked to us, but it has definitely established a quotable 'precedent' for future negotiations regarding updation of pension. Let us hope for the best.
--- Saradindu Basu,
     Greater Noida. 
 

---

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:06:58 +0530
Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners
From: jsomase...@gmail.com
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Of course there is no legal angle. No bank board passed such resolution and no provision made in pension regulations. However if it is implemented in LIC and SBI retirees also make some positive progress in their legal battle for up dation a favorable atmosphere

will be created for UFBU to demand for the same in banks also. 
 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:38 AM, bass <basha...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

As some body (including me) are feeling that there is some relevance
of LIC case to bank retirees, innocently discussing it here. But, in
fact, I personally does not  know from legal angle. I never cared to
know it also. O.K. leave it.

Almost every body (not sure), I think, know about that no bank board
has approved to extend such LIC benefit to bank retirees. Regarding
IBA, I clearly mentioned that "let us hope the IBA will react" that's
all. It is hope only. So you need not take any pains to understand
regarding IBAs probable stand with our probable hope. Take it easy.

With regards
S.M.BASHA

On Dec 1, 8:45 pm, Prasad C N <cn_prasa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[perumal maruthu]

Dear sirs,

I endorse the views of Mr.Sikander Gulati. If Mr.Prasad's view on the LIC case is not palatable to a few, then they should give a counter view based on sound reasons. Instead, a few bare their teeth and bully Mr.Prasad. This is not the way the Forum to discuss matters related to poor pensioners.

In the past, elders of these geniuses misguided lacs of people and now, after exit also they want to do their treacherous acts by indulging in personal acrimony to enrage the readers against Mr.Prasad by falsifying/fabricating and attributing vile motives to his views.

If a person like Mr.Prasad is not allowed to air his views, I feel that the loss will be only for the Blog and its Readers and in no way Mr.Prasad is going to lose anything.

I request every right minded reader to register his protest by sending a mail to the Moderator.

M.Perumal
Chennai

 

From: SIKANDER GULATI <sikander...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Cc: cn_pr...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2011 12:12 PM
Subject: Fwd: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

Dear friends,
Mr Karunkaran duraisamy latest missive to Mr. Prasaid CN  is intriguing. I understand  my friend samy is not able to understand that Mr. Prasad will have no personal interest in the dissemination of logical information. Mr. Samy I wish you best of luck. But Whatever Mr. Prasad had mailed to which you have written on the blog, I would like to say Mr. Prasad is 100% correct. If you have cute knowledge of law, we will  be happy to support you. But LIC case is no where, that   the bank pensioners should feel happy. See reasoning. Think at least once before you write something. After all we are  all friends.  Courts are not puppets in our hands that some times some of  my friends start sending emotional mails about courts judicial activism..
I am no body to curtail ones freedom of expression and am here to extend friendly advice.
It is again any body's sweet will to accept that advice or not. Mr. Duraisamy you are free to approach the courts, no body is going to prevent.  But we stand by the explanation of Mr. Prasad with regard to LIC case & others. He does not write without any base. You take the inititative rather than encouraging others  to move courts or expect something good from courts in the light of LIC case.. Let us see some good results from you, as you are the votary of legal action or court case.
But moral policing is the best in the interest of bank pensioners. 

Regards to everybody and good health

S.L.Gulati
Adv. & Tax Consultant
PNB-SVRS

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: karunakaran duraisamy <karanka...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com


Mr.Prasad,

I can understand that your stomach burns after the court is turning
the heat on LIC.  I can also understand your feeling that such a
situation should not come to PSU bank also.

When Bank retirees  are looking something  positive  in the LIC case,
you are the only person who does not see anything positive.  May be
because, you are  well acquainted  with the MDs and Super senior Union
leaders and you are well aware that IBA  cannot do anything since none
of the Bank Boards have passed any resolution to approve such benefit
to the Bank employees with the connivance Dear of your Union leaders.

It also shows that LIC Unions are more capable and a little pro
employee  than  your Hopeless Bank Unions.

We bank pensioners beleive that atleast the Courts can accept our
argument that a similar institution like LIC of India can update the
pension to the employees, why not the PSU banks.

Mr.Prasad,  please allow the poor bank pensioners also have some
rightful benefit.  Don't try to be a stumbling block. Let not your
dreams come true.

Karunakaran  (for the Bank retirees)

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> LIC case has no relevance to Bank retirees.  The Case is completely on a
> different footing Time given to LIC does not mean that the case is going to
> be decided on 9th January.
>
> Please go through the Judgement of LIC case again and every one will
> understand that LIC case is all about payment of benefit approved by LIC
> board.  Not even a single bank's board has approved/extended any such
> benefit.  I do not understand what IBA would draw out of this case.
>
> Thanks, a Million.
>
> With regards,
> Prasad C N
> ________________________________
> From: bass <basha...@rediffmail.com>
> To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 12:33 AM

> Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners
>

> Dear Sir,
>
> It is very good news relating to retired LIC employees.
>
> So, by 9.1.2012, every thing is likely to be cleared and the retirees
> may get arrears right from 1986 onwards.
>
> Let us hope the IBA will react positively at least after the above
> case and come forward to update our pension without depending on lame
> excuses.
>
> With regards
> S.M.BASHA

[sureshbhat M]

DEAR KARUNAKARAN  SIR,                02/12/2011

     What an wonderful comment you made against Mr. Prasad.!

       YOU HAVE TOLD IN THE BEGINNING IT SELF THAT YOU WAS NOT A MEMBER OF ANY TRADE UNION DURING YOUR SERVICE TIME AND YOU HAVE NO FAITH WITH ANY UNIONS. 

     PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS BLOG IS ALSO A "UNION OF RETIRED BANK EMPLOYEES" AND ARE TRYING TO REGISTER OUR UNITY AS A RETIRED  EMPLOYEES "UNION" ON A FUTURE DATE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. ONLY THE THE EMPLOYEES HAVING FAITH WITH COLLECTIVE EFFORTS UNDER ONE UNION NEED TO  JOIN THE GROUP. A PERSON DO NOT HAVE FAITH TO WORK UNDER A UNION MAY KEEP DISTANCE FROM THIS GROUP ALSO, AS JOINING US MAY BE  AGAINST TO YOUR CONSCIOUS AND SELF RESPECT. 

     FURTHER, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS UNION OF RETIREES WILL NOT LOOSE ANY THING IN YOUR ABSENCE AND YOUR ABSENCE WILL HELP BY AVOIDING UNWARRANTED COMMENTS ON OTHER MEMBERS. 

    Under the circumstance I BEG you to DECIDE YOURSELF FIRST ,whether to join this UNION OF RETIREES. In case you want to be with this union please practice to give  respect  to take respect.

With deep regrets I am forced to send this mail.

With regards

Suresh Bhat M

Canara Bank SVRS

...................................................................

[Prasad C N]

Dear friends,

Personally, I extremely thankful to my friends, who have said some good words about me. 

Like all of you, I am also one of the beneficiaries of 'Updation' of Pension.

 

Thanks, a Million.

With regards,
Prasad C N

---

From: sureshbhat M <sures...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2011 3:19 PM

[PRASANNA KUMAR NANDA]

Dear Friends ,

Mr. Karunakar's mail is in very bad taste !

What one gets out of such misadventure is best judged by every body.

Let us forget and carry on .

PK.Nanda, United Bank VRS, Bhubaneswar.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jayakrishnan <jayakr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr. Karunakaran, As a SBM pensioner I know how much time and energy Mr. Prasad spent working for the benefit and welfare of SBM pensioners and his achievements. Your comments "Mr.Prasad,  please allow the poor bank pensioners also have some rightful benefit.  Don't try to be a stumbling block" is laughable. What do you know of him and his way of working in SBM Commune? On what basis you made such comments? Your curse "Let not your dreams come true" is the height of your stupidity. There is another joke in your mail. You have signed the mail as "Karunakaran (for the Bank retirees)". Could you please name the Bank retirees you are representing? Please read the attachment when you are in calm mind and try to understand the subtle meaning of a Siddhar's song. A. Jayakrishnan SBM SVRS 2001. ========== “It changes things,...... that knowledge,...... doesn’t it?” - --- On Fri, 12/2/11, karunakaran duraisamy <karanka...@gmail.com> wrote: From: karunakaran duraisamy <karanka...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 10:29 AM

Mr.Prasad, I can understand that your stomach burns after the court is turning the heat on LIC.  I can also understand your feeling that such a situation should not come to PSU bank also. When Bank retirees  are looking something  positive  in the LIC case, you are the only person who does not see anything positive.  May be because, you are  well acquainted  with the MDs and Super senior Union leaders and you are well aware that IBA  cannot do anything since none of the Bank Boards have passed any resolution to approve such benefit to the Bank employees with the connivance Dear of your Union leaders. It also shows that LIC Unions are more capable and a little pro employee  than  your Hopeless Bank Unions. We bank pensioners beleive that atleast the Courts can accept our argument that a similar institution like LIC of India can update the pension to the employees, why not the PSU banks. Mr.Prasad,  please allow the poor bank pensioners also have some rightful benefit.  Don't try to be a stumbling block. Let not your dreams come true. Karunakaran  (for the Bank retirees)

[ravi jain]

sir,

"We bank pensioners beleive that atleast the Courts can accept our
argument that a similar institution like LIC of India can update the
pension to the employees, why not the PSU banks"

one of friend has commented above. if it would been so easy for courts to understand such phrases we would have received pension updation by now as there are good no of intelligents in retiree group and are fighting in different courts. we bank pensioners cannot and should not beleive in such  type of acceptance by courts.

Mr. prasad gives good / factual arguments but for sake of downgrading few of us without solid comments write against him.

in courts we will have to face much-2-2-2....... more arguments by opposition in court cases without any sympathy and it will not be easy to win updation in courts easily.

updation thru union is most favourable course of action in present scenirio.

be happy

ravi jain (PSB)

 

 

On 2 December 2011 00:38, bass <basha...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

As some body (including me) are feeling that there is some relevance
of LIC case to bank retirees, innocently discussing it here. But, in
fact, I personally does not  know from legal angle. I never cared to
know it also. O.K. leave it.

Almost every body (not sure), I think, know about that no bank board
has approved to extend such LIC benefit to bank retirees. Regarding
IBA, I clearly mentioned that "let us hope the IBA will react" that's
all. It is hope only. So you need not take any pains to understand
regarding IBAs probable stand with our probable hope. Take it easy.

With regards
S.M.BASHA

On Dec 1, 8:45 pm, Prasad C N <cn_prasa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[SIKANDER GULATI]

Dear Friends,
A very piquant situation has been created by one of our friends Mr. Duraisamy. I do not know about his past comments about the unions. But,  the samy should read  on the wall, the pain among the pensioner friends.  He might  have retired AGM/DGM/GM/ED or whatever, that does not matter for all of us. Now he is a pensioner like us. Respect begets respect.
I am following the blog and reading  the pain writ large among the friends, one such from Mr. Suresh Bhat & others. It appears the person(Mr. Samy) has more egos that what he should have  and he should  practice it  with his near and dear ones instead of unknown friends who are always ready to give him respect.
But going by the tone and tenor of his expressions of ill mannered views, I appeal to my fellow friends to stop acknowledging/ responding to his blogs. Let him abuse/ say any thing to us for  the satisfaction of his egos.  Let him feel the heat also for his egos!

Again my earnest appeal to friends, please "STOP RESPONDING'' to his mails whether good or bad  till he comes round to deal with pensioners friends with respect and humility. That is all.
 My special appeal to Mr. C.N. Parsad to please remain calm and  not to respond further  in case of any adverse comments from Mr. Duraisamy. Same is for Perumal ji & other friends.

Good luck & health  Mr. Duraisamy

Best regards to everybody.

S.L.Gulati
Adv. & Tax Consultant

PNB-SVRS-2001

[crajagopalan]

Dear Sir,

                    The views expressed by you on illegality of pension is perfectly in order and this does not mean that u are interested in taking away the benefits already given and the arguments are to be seen correct perspective. It is most unfortunate for everything some start blaming the unions. The union leaders derive their strength from the cadres and with plethora of problems of serving employees at hand enough attention cannot be paid to the retirees. The court cases are long drawn out and there is no way out with the negative attitude of the govt and IBA. one thing is to be borne in mind that govt employees did not  get those benefits just by wishing. As u have rightly pointed out that they have to wait for thirty years to get the benefits even when courts have given a favourable judgement.

 

C Rajagopalan

Syndicate Bank pensioner

[Narayana Melkote]

Dear Friends,

     There was a music competition in our bank.   Many competitors were there.  The songs sung by them were different and some sang well. Some sang very well ! Some others sang very mediocrally! A few sang badly! Only one competitor sang it so badly that everyone in the hall started laughing but some could not help laughing loudly! Some more burst into laughter !!   So let us all laugh it off !   This blog is so wonderful that we are all participating differently ! Some information is helpful, some not. Some letters provocative and some letters are praiseworthy!  Let us all interact positively.   Since this blog is open to all, it is but natural that different members sentiments are expressed!

Be HAPPY and continue to laugh for better HEALTH!!!

Narayana Melkote VB Pensioner

---

From: PRASANNA KUMAR NANDA <pnpeek...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2011 9:10 PM

[saradindu basu]

Dear Shri Karunakaran,
                                 You may please agree with me that we should develop a habit of listening to other views even at our home. The way you reacted to Shri Pasad's comments is not desirable at all. Like everybody Shri Prasad has his own way of presentation and it may not be liked you and others. That doesn't mean one should use abusive language to counter Shri Prasad's write-up in  this blog.
                                 I agree with you with your write-up"We bank pensioners beleive that atleast the Courts can accept our argument that a similar institution like LIC of India can update the pension to the employees, why not the PSU banks" . But the problem is -- who will approach the court of law in this regard? I am almost sure that you don't expect "hopeless" unions to do it nor you will take personal initiative in this regard. I assure you that as and when you will take personal initiative in this regard, I will be with you.
                                 Let us differ with decency and decorum.
                                 Hope, I have not hurt you.

 
-- Saradindu Basu,
    Greater Noida.

---

  

 

> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:29:26 +0530

> Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

> From: karanka...@gmail.com
> To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

>
> Mr.Prasad,
>
> I can understand that your stomach burns after the court is turning
> the heat on LIC. I can also understand your feeling that such a
> situation should not come to PSU bank also.
>
> When Bank retirees are looking something positive in the LIC case,
> you are the only person who does not see anything positive. May be
> because, you are well acquainted with the MDs and Super senior Union
> leaders and you are well aware that IBA cannot do anything since none
> of the Bank Boards have passed any resolution to approve such benefit
> to the Bank employees with the connivance Dear of your Union leaders.
>
> It also shows that LIC Unions are more capable and a little pro
> employee than your Hopeless Bank Unions.
>
> We bank pensioners beleive that atleast the Courts can accept our
> argument that a similar institution like LIC of India can update the
> pension to the employees, why not the PSU banks.
>
> Mr.Prasad, please allow the poor bank pensioners also have some
> rightful benefit. Don't try to be a stumbling block. Let not your
> dreams come true.
>
> Karunakaran (for the Bank retirees)
>

> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > LIC case has no relevance to Bank retirees.  The Case is completely on a
> > different footing Time given to LIC does not mean that the case is going to
> > be decided on 9th January.
> >
> > Please go through the Judgement of LIC case again and every one will
> > understand that LIC case is all about payment of benefit approved by LIC
> > board.  Not even a single bank's board has approved/extended any such
> > benefit.  I do not understand what IBA would draw out of this case.
> >

> > Thanks, a Million.
> >
> > With regards,
> > Prasad C N
> > ________________________________

> > From: bass <basha...@rediffmail.com>
> > To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 12:33 AM

> > Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners
> >

> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > It is very good news relating to retired LIC employees.
> >
> > So, by 9.1.2012, every thing is likely to be cleared and the retirees
> > may get arrears right from 1986 onwards.
> >
> > Let us hope the IBA will react positively at least after the above
> > case and come forward to update our pension without depending on lame
> > excuses.
> >
> > With regards
> > S.M.BASHA
> >
> > On Nov 30, 9:31 pm, Pankaj Vithlani <pvvithl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >

[perumal maruthu]

Dear Sir,

I endorse your views. Social Boycot, like civil dis-obedience of Gandhiji, is the only alternative way to refine people who have rotten-hearts and thorny brains.

யாகாவா ராயினும் நாகாக்க காவாக்கால்
சோகாப்பர் சொல்லிழுக்குப் பட்டு. (Kural 217)

Let it be anyone, let him restrain his tongue

Lest, his word will engulf him in misery.

தீயினாற் சுட்டபுண் உள்ளாறும் ஆறாதே
நாவினாற் சுட்ட வடு. (219)

The scar caused by fire may heal, but

Never a scar burnt in by one's words will heal.

M.Perumal

Chennai

From: SIKANDER GULATI <sikander...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

From: sureshbhat M <sures...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2011 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

DEAR KARUNAKARAN  SIR,                02/12/2011

     What an wonderful comment you made against Mr. Prasad.!

       YOU HAVE TOLD IN THE BEGINNING IT SELF THAT YOU WAS NOT A MEMBER OF ANY TRADE UNION DURING YOUR SERVICE TIME AND YOU HAVE NO FAITH WITH ANY UNIONS. 

     PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS BLOG IS ALSO A "UNION OF RETIRED BANK EMPLOYEES" AND ARE TRYING TO REGISTER OUR UNITY AS A RETIRED  EMPLOYEES "UNION" ON A FUTURE DATE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. ONLY THE THE EMPLOYEES HAVING FAITH WITH COLLECTIVE EFFORTS UNDER ONE UNION NEED TO  JOIN THE GROUP. A PERSON DO NOT HAVE FAITH TO WORK UNDER A UNION MAY KEEP DISTANCE FROM THIS GROUP ALSO, AS JOINING US MAY BE  AGAINST TO YOUR CONSCIOUS AND SELF RESPECT. 

     FURTHER, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS UNION OF RETIREES WILL NOT LOOSE ANY THING IN YOUR ABSENCE AND YOUR ABSENCE WILL HELP BY AVOIDING UNWARRANTED COMMENTS ON OTHER MEMBERS. 

    Under the circumstance I BEG you to DECIDE YOURSELF FIRST ,whether to join this UNION OF RETIREES. In case you want to be with this union please practice to give  respect  to take respect.

With deep regrets I am forced to send this mail.

With regards

Suresh Bhat M

Canara Bank SVRS

...................................................................

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:11 AM, saradindu basu <saradin...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shri Somasekhara,
                                   I completely agree with you. The relevent case may not be directly linked to us, but it has definitely established a quotable 'precedent' for future negotiations regarding updation of pension. Let us hope for the best.
--- Saradindu Basu,
     Greater Noida. 
 

[crajagopalan]

Dear Prasad,

                            You may well stop responding to criticisms of some pensioners and others and continue to pursue the good work regardless of these

Rhetoric. People should understand that you also will be one of the beneficiaries if updation and 100% DA neutralization. The arguments made by you are hard realities and these should not be construed that you are against second optees of pension. A saying comes to mind

 

‘Be good but do not ry to prove it”

 

With all good wishes

C Rajagopalan

Syndicate Bank pensioner

 

From: bankpe...@googlegroups.com [mailto:bankpe...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Prasad C N

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:39 PM
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

[venkat rao]

Dear Nanda, Please inform me any of the bank unions/assns had demanded the updation of the pension on the lines of central govt.before RBI/LIC employees had done so.Unless you demand how can you expect the IBA/BANKS to  offer updation on their own.Please furnish the agitations/fights made by the employees unions/assns reg updation of the pension from 1995 onwards.Even When the pension was brought down to 42% in 1998 nobody said a word which was signed by the unions/assns and IBA.We too were in service and we too kept mum(Includes ME also).Now time has come.Usually Banks,LICI and RBI settle their wage settlement during the same period and hike will be of same percentage with minor alterations.Now the LIC pensioners have succeded in getting court order in their favour and I wish them all the best in Supreme Court.If they get updation it will be a wakeup call for all of us Retirees and serving employees of the banks to make united fight for implementaion of updation of pension in banks.Let all of us  think in a positive mood fight in right spirit. Venkatrao.H SBM Mysore

--- On Thu, 1/12/11, PRASANNA KUMAR NANDA <pnpeek...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: PRASANNA KUMAR NANDA <pnpeek...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 1 December, 2011, 10:48 PM Dear Friends, Mr. Prasad is absolutely right ! Both RBI and LICI boards had decided on updation of pension  but reversed/did not act because of govt. intervention. Both the governing boards of RBI and LICI are autonomous and  are empowered to take independent decisions without Govt. advise  except for matters of public interest. Whereas PSU Bank Boards have  many bosses, as we know. We are discussing LICI case to know if updation of pension is justified and also to see how far the management can go to deny  right of retirees,even after clear court verdicts. Thanks. P.K.Nanda, United Bank VRS Bhubaneswar.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear friends, LIC case has no relevance to Bank retirees.  The Case is completely on a different footing Time given to LIC does not mean that the case is going to be decided on 9th January. Please go through the Judgement of LIC case again and every one will understand that LIC case is all about payment of benefit approved by LIC board.  Not even a single bank's board has approved/extended any such benefit.  I do not understand what IBA would draw out of this case.

Thanks, a Million.

With regards, Prasad C N

From: bass <basha...@rediffmail.com> To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 12:33 AM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

Dear Sir, It is very good news relating to retired LIC employees. So, by 9.1.2012, every thing is likely to be cleared and the retirees may get arrears right from 1986 onwards. Let us hope the IBA will react positively at least after the above case and come forward to update our pension without depending on lame excuses. With regards S.M.BASHA

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[.Eswaran.v.n. kapali]

Dear sir,
Thank you verymuch for the detailed mail from Mr.M.Perumal
on the matters settled at various courts which benefits
pensioners.This is a yeomen service to pensioners community.
V.N.K.Eswaran
Uco Bank Svrs 2001

On Nov 29, 12:10 pm, perumal maruthu <perumalmaru...@yahoo.co.in>
wrote:
> Dear sirs,
> A few pensioners have sent me mails requiring courtcases related to pensioners. Pl find some cases listed below sourced from AICBRF.
> M.Perumal
> CB-Pensioner
> Chennai
>
>
> BRIEF NOTE ON COURT CASES:
> SUPREME COURT:
> 1. In the Civil Appeal No.1942/2009 Bank of India Vs K.Mohandas, Supreme
> Court has awarded landmark judgement of 5 Years notional weightage to
> SVRS – Pension optees. While many Public Sector Banks implemented the
> above judgement of apex court, the same has not yet been implemented
> in Vijaya Bank & Associated Banks of SBI.
> 2. In the Civil Appeal No.6013/2011 Sheelkumar Jain Vs New India
> Assurance Co. Ltd., the Supreme Court delivered judgement in favour of
> the resignee through beneficial interpretation of Pension Regulations.
> 3. In the WP (C) 184/2011 Federation of All India SBI Pensioners’
> Association Vs Union of India, the Federation has prayed for updation of
> pension to SBI pensioners in line with periodical upward wage revisions of
> serving employees.
> 4. In the Civil Appeal No.2739/2007 Uco Bank Vs Rajinderlal Kapoor, the
> Apex Court has held that issuing Chargesheet to bank pensioners after
> retirement on superannuation is illegal.
> 5. In the WP (C) No.184/2011 - Federation of All India SBI Pensioners’
> Associations Vs Union of India admitted by the Supreme Court, the
> Federation has prayed that:
> Pension should be paid as per Pension Fund Rules calculated at 1/60th of
> last average 12 months pay reckoning pension service upto a maximum of
> 30 years without omitting any pensionable service rendered.
> HIGH COURTS:
> 1. In the Writ Appeal No.1209/2007 G.Palani & Others Vs Bank of Baroda,
> Madras High Court delivered judgement in favour of the Pensioners
> granting payment of Arrears of Pension & Commutation to those retired
> between 01-04-1998 and 30-04-2005. However, Bank of Baroda
> management has preferred appeal through Special Leave Petition before
> the Supreme Court.
> 2. In WP (C) No.27929/2003 T.RVijayan Vs State Bank of India, Kerala High
> Court awarded the judgement in favour of pensioner granting 100%
> Neutralisation of Dearness Relief.
> 3. In WP No.34619/2003 Jateendranath Vs State Bank of Mysore and other
> related cases in WP Nos: 19267/2003, 46601/2004 & 10514/2005,
> Karnataka High Court gave judgements in favour of affected pensioners
> by ordering payment of Pension/Commutation arrears to those retired
> during 01-04-1998 to 30-04-2005.
> 1
> 4. In D.B. Civil Special Appeal (W) No. 493/2010 LIC of India Vs Asthana,
> Jaipur bench of Rajasthan High Court ordered LIC management to
> implement its own Resolution and implement uniform Dearness Relief
> Formula for all pensioners without any discrimination, besides updation.
> 5. In the WP No.37198/2001 M.C.Ratnakaran Vs Canara Bank, Kerala High
> Court has ordered fixation of pension as 50% of average emoluments for
> the last 10 months as defined in the statutory pension regulations and
> consequent payment of arrears of Commutation/Pension from the date of
> retirement till date of re-fixation.
> 6. In respect of WP 710/2009 Karnik Vs Reserve Bank of India it was urged
> before Bombay High Court for implementation of Updation of Pension as
> contained in the RBI Circular dated 01-09-2003.
> 7. In the Writ Petition No.26916/2010 - D.Arun Kumar & 56 Others Vs
> Canara Bank, the Officers, who were denied pension option in 2010 on
> account of their Voluntary Retirement from Bank’s service as per Officers’
> Service Regulations, joined together and filed Writ Petition in Madras High
> Court seeking justice. Also a petition was filed seeking priority hearing of
> the case on grounds of litigants being Senior Citizens.
> 8. With regard to Writ Petition No.23522/2011 M.P.Ramachandran Rao & 31
> Others Vs Canara Bank the Officers, who were denied pension option in
> 2010 on account of their Voluntary Retirement from Bank’s service as per
> Officers’ Service Regulations, joined together and filed Writ Petition in
> Karnataka High Court seeking justice. Also, it is learnt that another
> petition has been filed for clubbing similar cases of Officials from various
> banks for common hearing in the Karnataka High Court.

[ravi jain]

sir,

The badly sung song made persons happy because the singer did not hurt anybody's personal ego. here on seeing some critics /seeing some negative views against our case of updation or other,  some people immedietly respond negatively with personal remaks against other person, which is not of good taste. Refrain from such activity and give some concrete proof /arguments.

be happy

ravi jain(PSB)

[PARASURAMAN K R]

Dear Friends,

Instead of engaging in unnecessary verbal duel let us do something constructive for the retired banking community. We are unnecessarily dwelling on the past misdeeds of managements, IBA, union leadership, etc etc and wasting our time.  

Can anybody inform the present position of the SLP filed by the BOB management in Supreme Court against the HC division bench order for retrospective payment of arrears and commutation from date of retirement for pre-2002 retirees.

Parasuraman.K.R.

Trichur 

[J SOMASEKARA]

Parasuraman you are correct
We do not know the fate of SLP regarding chennai High court order and also verdict delivered bu Karnataka High court against several banks on 21.04.2011.
As per IBA pensioners issues are pending with Central Government for approval.
Since IBA and Unions may not be interested in getting it cleared early I request
all retirees associations should meet finance minister and submit a memorandum to clear the pending issues early and also convince him to implement court orders without going for unnecessary appeals.
This will have two advantages.
One is that it will speed up process and things will be cleared early.
Second is that if FM is adamant and not prepared to agree to our demands we
can apprroach the courts early instead of waiting for approval from Govt for years.

J.SOMASEKARA
CANARA BANK
SVRS

[Mohan badi]

Dear Sirs,
Please read and just see whether we retired bankers can do something for our pension? One news, I did cut and paste as follows.
...............Early Compulsory Retirement for IAS/IPS/IFS Officers?

THE Government seems to be seriously considering the process of weeding out unwanted officers. At present as per Rule 16(3) of the All India Services (DCRB) Rules, an IAS/IPS/IFS officer can be compulsorily retired after completing thirty years of service or attains fifty years of age. There is a similar Rule 56(j) for other Central Civil Services. This was mainly used to weed out corrupt officers the easy way as the officers are sent out with full State honours like pension, gratuity and all other benefits and it is not really considered a punishment. But in the last twenty five years or so, perhaps as corruption has come to be accepted as a legitimate fringe benefit of Government service, these provisions were rarely used. Anyway, it is not fair for a corrupt officer to compulsorily retire another corrupt officer - each one owes it to the other in the tribe to protect the collective interest. This was implemented when the senior officers used to be fairly honest - not now, when the highest officers are well known to be corrupt.

Now, the Government proposes to amend the Rules for intensive review and it is proposed to have the power to compulsorily retire after 15 years of service instead of 30 as at present.

Rule 16(3), at present reads as:

The Central Government may, in consultation with the State Government concerned and after giving a member of the Service at least three months previous notice in writing, or three months' pay and allowances in lieu of such notice require that member to retire in public interest from service on the date on which such member completes thirty years of qualifying service or attains fifty years of age or on any date thereafter to be specified in the notice.

It is proposed to amend the rule as:

The Central Government may, in consultation with the State Government concerned and after giving a member of the Service at least three months previous notice in writing, or three months' pay and allowances in lieu of such notice require that member to retire in public interest from service on the date on which such member completes fifteen years of qualifying service or attains fifty years of age or on any date thereafter to be specified in the notice.

The prematurely retired officers will be eligible for pension benefits. The DOPT has written to the Chief Secretaries of all States for the comments of the State Government.

DOPT Letter No. 25013/02/2005-Cus., Dated: November 28,2011

This is sent by me for your kind information.with regards.

Prof.M.R.Badi.
Bangalore.

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To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2011 9:40 AM

[venkat rao]

.Dear Natarajan, If the LIC of India retirees succeed in their just cause of getting updation of pension it will be a stepping stone for others like bank retirees/RBI retirees to fight for extending the same benefit to them by getting mamagement for passing board resolution/Govt order or some other legal manner.Nobody is under the impression that immediately we will get updation.For that both serving and retired employees of banks and RBI have to fight both at the IBA/GOVT level and if necessary in courts.As you are aware that SBI retirees have already filed a suit in court.likewise Non SBI employees should take up the matter in right earnest without giving room to who is right or who is wrong.If our retirees assn/union are ready to fight for that I am prepared to contribute fianancially my share for legal expenses. for this" NOBLE CAUSE".I am eagerally waiting for a call from my LEADERS.Will you help us, Thanking you in anticipation for a favourable reply from all our leaders Venkatrao.H SBM Mysore --- On Fri, 2/12/11, Natrajan Balasubramanian <nat....@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Natrajan Balasubramanian <nat....@gmail.com> Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Date: Friday, 2 December, 2011, 9:18 AM MR PRASAD IS RIGHT THAT NO BANK BOARD HAS PASSED ANY RESOLUTION FOR PENSION UPDATION.  IT IS HIGH TIME THE SERVING EMPLOYEES FEDERATIONS SHOULD REPRESENT TO THE BANK BOARDS TO PASS SIMILAR RESOLUTION AND UNDERTAKE AN AGIATION IF THE BANK BOARDS ARE UNWILLING.  THE FEDERATIONS MUST REALISE THAT EVERY BANK WORKER WILL RETIRE ONE DAY AND THAT THEY WILL GET ENHANCED PENSION EVERYTIME THERE IS SALARY REVISION.  WHETHER THE FEDERATIONS WILL BRING PRESSURE ON BANK MANAGEMENTS?

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:48 PM, PRASANNA KUMAR NANDA <pnpeek...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends, Mr. Prasad is absolutely right ! Both RBI and LICI boards had decided on updation of pension  but reversed/did not act because of govt. intervention. Both the governing boards of RBI and LICI are autonomous and  are empowered to take independent decisions without Govt. advise  except for matters of public interest. Whereas PSU Bank Boards have  many bosses, as we know. We are discussing LICI case to know if updation of pension is justified and also to see how far the management can go to deny  right of retirees,even after clear court verdicts. Thanks.

P.K.Nanda, United Bank VRS Bhubaneswar.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear friends, LIC case has no relevance to Bank retirees.  The Case is completely on a different footing Time given to LIC does not mean that the case is going to be decided on 9th January. Please go through the Judgement of LIC case again and every one will understand that LIC case is all about payment of benefit approved by LIC board.  Not even a single bank's board has approved/extended any such benefit.  I do not understand what IBA would draw out of this case.    Thanks, a Million.

With regards, Prasad C N

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Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 12:33 AM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

Dear Sir, It is very good news relating to retired LIC employees. So, by 9.1.2012, every thing is likely to be cleared and the retirees may get arrears right from 1986 onwards. Let us hope the IBA will react positively at least after the above case and come forward to update our pension without depending on lame excuses. With regards S.M.BASHA On Nov 30, 9:31 pm, Pankaj Vithlani <pvvithl...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[sudershan pal kharbanda]

Dear Friends

Very Well said Sh Rajagopalan - No one is doing any good, by indulging into unwanted criticism
/ sercastic remarks, other than creating bitterness / avoidable reactions from other forum
members, thereby also deviating from the subject which are more relevant to us today. This
only helps our opponents (viz managements) who never want the pensioners united.

Let us all utilise this forum more subjectively either by sharing valuable information or
contributing to the extent of suggesting/advising fellow members on a very +ive note - I feel,
we all have braved enough of negativity / aggression during our long span of service in our
respective bank's but now such feelings/utterences are only going to harm we retirees' badly
in every field of our life.

Most of us are senior citizens, though young by heart, AND must endevour to work for Retirees'
unity and their benefits, unlike different components of UFBU and also try to aspire for a
peaceful retired life and not spoil health NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE
MOSTLY BEEN AGAINST US.

Wishes

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:27:12 +0530 wrote

Dear Prasad,

You may well stop responding to criticisms of some pensioners and others and
continue to pursue the good work regardless of these

Rhetoric. People should understand that you also will be one of
the beneficiaries if updation and 100% DA neutralization. The arguments made by
you are hard realities and these should not be construed that you are against
second optees of pension. A saying comes to mind

‘Be good but do not ry to prove it”

With all good wishes

C Rajagopalan
Syndicate Bank pensioner

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[ravi jain]

Sir,

anybody doing for benefit of retirees and is discussing matters with conviction should worklike "elephant walking without caring who is barking at him".

be happy

ravi jain

 

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[perumal maruthu]

Dear Sudarshan and Rajagopalan sirs,

I endorse your views. Some people want Mr.Prasad to waste his time on responding to provocative and malicious mails. He must ignore such pin-pricks and back-stabbings.

M.Perumal

Chennai

From: sudershan pal kharbanda <sp...@rediffmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: bankpensioner Court cases related to pensioners

Dear FriendsVery Well said Sh Rajagopalan - No one is doing any good, by indulging into unwanted criticism / sercastic remarks, other than creating bitterness / avoidable reactions from other forum members, thereby also deviating from the subject which are more relevant to us today. This only helps our opponents (viz managements) who never want the pensioners united. Let us all utilise this forum more subjectively either by sharing valuable information or contributing to the extent of suggesting/advising fellow members on a very +ive note - I feel, we all have braved enough of negativity / aggression during our long span of service in our respective bank's but now such feelings/utterences are only going to harm we retirees' badly in every field of our life. Most of us are senior citizens, though young by heart, AND must endevour to work for Retirees' unity and their benefits, unlike different components of UFBU and also try to aspire for a peaceful retired life and not spoil health NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE MOSTLY BEEN AGAINST US.Wishes******************************************************************************************On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:27:12 +0530 wroteDear Prasad,You may well stop responding to criticisms of some pensioners and others andcontinue to pursue the good work regardless of theseRhetoric. People should understand that you also will be one ofthe beneficiaries if updation and 100% DA neutralization. The arguments made byyou are hard realities and these should not be construed that you are againstsecond optees of pension. A saying comes to mind‘Be good but do not ry to prove it”With all good wishesC RajagopalanSyndicate Bank pensioner spalREAL BANKER

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[Srinivasa Murti Devulapalli]

Dear Sri Perumal garu,

1. In the Civil Appeal No.1942/2009 Bank of India Vs K.Mohandas, Supreme

Court has awarded landmark judgement of 5 Years notional weightage .  

In the above related case, the lower court ie. Division Bench of Karnataka High Court has also ordered for the revision of Basic Pension right from the date of retirement also and that to pay the same with interest from the date of the judgment pronounced by the Hon'ble Division Bench.  Any pending review petition ?   Kindly inform the latest position if you have any. I, being one of the petitioners along with my few friends, desire to know the latest position in this regard.

 Thanks and Regards.  

- Devulapalli Srinivasa Murti (devulapa...@gmail.com)

[Ramarao Velagapudi]

Dt. 14-7-2020

Thanks for forwarding the judgement, sit.

V. RAMARAO, 

Pensioner, SBI, Hyderabad. (Please refer CA NO. 6637 of 2015- SBI Vs V. RAMARAO decided on 28-3-2019)

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[Prasad C N]

Dear Sir,

A copy of the Judgment in WA 1200/2014, which was challenged before Hon'ble Supreme Court is attached.

Thanks, a Million. 

With regards,

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Will be happy to know the brief details of SBI Case No.6637 of 2015 decided on 28.03.2019 in the matter of Sri Velagapudi Rama Rao and the gist of the decision of the court.

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Unable to download the attachment.

Regards,