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Updation Of Pension.

Instead of waiting for Updation, which has No line, way to see light, due to Subjudice Title Conferred, Retirees Assn  can go for DA to Exgratia  which has No objections from Court, since Till time, Nobody raised objections.  They can Ask for Increasing Exgratia atleast by 1000 each Year. That itself will gove Nog relief to very Seniors of 80 and plus. With DA applying on Ex-gratia, this will to a Great extend come close to Updation.
Let us Try what is possible, instead of Waiting for something Not feasible in Near future 
Vaidyanathan 


On Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 5:25 PM <bankpe...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran <chandra...@gmail.com>: Jun 17 09:11PM +0530

What an irony? When the Singla case is expected to end shortly, another
case is filed, to enable the IBA to continue to term the updation matter
"subjudice". We all know the court cases drag on for years and the
litigation never ends as appeals will be there. This will pave the way for
the IBA to conveniently hide behind the shadow of subjudice . When the IBA
has offered to discuss the matter of updation, if the court cases are
withdrawn, filing another case, raises a suspicion whether the union filed
the case, is playing into the hands of IBA, so that the updation of
pensions happens never.
 
The members of the particular union should come out and declare they are
not privy to the decision of the union to file a case. A massive outburst
will make the union to retract.
 
G Ramachandran
CB-SVRS
 
 
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From: JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun, 2025, 16:12
Subject: Re: bankpensioner AIBOA ON UPDATION OF PENSION
To: <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
 
 
Oh My God!
One more case at the time when Pre 2002 retirees are praying for out of
court settlement so that pensioners aged 75 and above get some improvement
in Pension through iBA-UFBU negotiations.
Is this genuine concern of AIBOA or pre planned agenda of UFBU to ensure
that updation issue remain sub judice forever. AIBOA could not even
negotiate merger of DA IBA has been repeatedly claiming that updation
issue Sub judice though no court has given a stay on discussing issue in
BPS meetings. There is strong suspicion of Unions collaboration with iBA
by intentionally remaining silent without countering IBAs false claim of
sub judice. Now AIBPARC is expecting that SC may pass the final verdict in
Singla case by July or Aug 2025. If SC passes verdict positive or
negative the issue will stop being sub judice and may make way for UFBU-IBA
to arrive at settlement.
UFBU may not like this and to keep the issue sub judice forever one more
case is filed knowing very well that a verdict will come after 15 years.
 
 
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S H Subramanian <canma...@gmail.com>: Jun 17 04:25PM +0530

This AIBOA faction led by Sri Nagarajan is now out of favour with AIBEA. So
I think this case is not filed at the instance of UFBU.
 
S H Subramanian
 
On Tue, 17 Jun, 2025, 4:12 pm JSOMA SHEKARA, <jsomase...@gmail.com>
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S H Subramanian <canma...@gmail.com>: Jun 18 12:12PM +0530

Sir,
Yes. This is a splinter group of AIBOA supposed to represent the SERVING
employees. So it is intriguing as to why they are taking cudgels on behalf
of retirees at this juncture .
 
S H Subramanian
 
On Wed, 18 Jun, 2025, 9:28 am Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran, <
JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>: Jun 18 11:54AM +0530

Mr.Subramanian
When IBA falsely claimed sub judice, minutes of March 8 2024 was given
silent burial, iBA refused to discuss updation claiming subjudice but both
iBA and UFBU falsely submitted before CLC that residual issues are
progressing, in last CLC report updation is not even mentioned. In all
these AIBOA gave its full support to UFBU. AIBOA is worried more about its
existence than pensioners, AIBOA is well aware that if it raises updation
issue in BPS it will be removed from BPS negotiations. It is protecting
itself.
But by filing WP in high court AIBOA is doing immense harm to the cause of
updation.
 
On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:28 AM Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran <
MOHAN P <moha...@gmail.com>: Jun 18 04:51PM +0530

Dear Friends,
 
01.Retirees who are keenly observing every past developments on resolving
retirees issues may not view the latest development of filing a case
before Mumbai High Court by *AIBOA* ,as a right step, especially while they
are one of the parties authorised to discuss and resolve employees as well
as retirees issues with IBA under BPS/JN system prevailing.(Though not
discussing!)
 
02.Especially, while the leader of majority employees union often found
blaming retirees/their Associations for seeking judicial remedy even in
issues unresolved under bilateral talks!
 
At the same time,it is an undisputed reality that we could resolve a
number of unresolved long pending issues through legal fight.
 
03.IBA too found asked AIBPARC in their latest meet to withdraw the case
pending before Apex Court( SLP(C)5561/2016 on Updation of Pension) to pave
way for bilateral discussions and resolution.Intention may be good some
time.
 
03.Even decade back while dismissing the CWP-6233/2008 filed by M C SINGLA
and Ors Vs Union of India ,before Punjab and Haryana High Court,Chandigarh,
on Updation of Pension on 16.04.2012 the single Judge recorded as follows,:
 
Quote:
 
*“I am merely stating this in the passing that the petitioners could not
have come to the High Court for enforcement under Article 226 when they
could have only pressed for better rights through negotiations in the
manner that the settlement talks provided. It would be open for the
petitioners to make the demands for parity if they are so advised and use
their bargaining skills through *
 
*the mechanism provided their associations and press for the reliefs though
under the Industrial Disputes Act.**”*
 
04.Hon.FM /MOF too often stated in Parliament while answering questions on
Updation of Pension to arrive on consensus between unions and IBA under
existing system of bilateral discussions and send the proposal to them to
sort out the issue.Same has not happened so far!
 
05.Though retirees Apex Organisations demanded for a platform to share
their views on retirees issues IBA is always reluctant to entertain
them.Even UFBU too never had effective discussions with retirees Apex
Organisations on their issues!
 
06.As indicated by court and Ministry ,all may agree that direct dialogue
with IBA by Unions is the best way to resolve our issues,than seeking legal
remedy.
 
Under this backdrop action of a party who is part of existing system
itself seek legal remedy afresh now on retirees issues may raise doubt on
real motive behind their action at this juncture! A chance to IBA to
advocate on “ Subjudice” .Sad state of affairs!
 
 
 
 
 
Premkumar VJ <vjpk...@gmail.com>: Jun 17 05:57PM +0530

The AIBPARC website is not updated.The latest circulars are not there.
Circular number 48/25 dated 15.6.25 regarding hunger strike is not uploaded.
If anyone has a PDF or any other format of that circular, please post the
same.
Thank you all.
MOHAN P <moha...@gmail.com>: Jun 17 05:45PM +0530

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