LIFE CERTIFICATES FOR WEAK, DISABLED & HOSPITALISED SR. CITIZENS

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RANGARAJAN M R

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Oct 30, 2013, 11:59:31 AM10/30/13
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CAN SOMEONE PROVIDE REFERENCE  OF RBI DIRECTIVE OR UNION GOVT ORDER, IBA GUIDELINES, ETC
INSTRUCTING PSBs TO ACCEPT L.C. ISSUED BY BRANCH MANAGERS  OF NEARBY BANK BR\GAZETTED OFFICER WHO CAN VISIT THE AILING PENSIONER AT HIS\HER HOME OR HOSPITAL OR OLDAGEHOME SINCE SOME COMPLAINTS OF SUCH PENSIONERS ARE HEARD  FORCING THEM TO BE PHYSICALLY  PRODUCED AT THE PENSION DRAWING
BRANCHES CONTRARY TO INSTRUCTIONS IN THIS REGARD.  

M.R.RANGARAJAN,
MYSORE

PM

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Oct 31, 2013, 12:48:42 AM10/31/13
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Dear Sri.Rangarajan,
                                  Reserve Bank of India has been issuing various instructions relating to Payment of Government Pension by Agency Banks. These instructions were conveyed in their master circular RBI/ 2010-11/88 (Ref. DGBA.GAD.No.H- 2 /31.05.001/ 2010-11) dated July 1, 2010. and updated from time to time.
As per RBI:-(Ref.DGBA.GAD.No.H 3194/45.01.001/2009-10 dated October 14, 2009)

"-It is observed that the guidelines issued by RBI are not being meticulously adhered to by the banks, may be due to ignorance of the bank staff and that of the pensioners. In order to take care of the problems/ difficulties faced by the sick and disabled pensioners in withdrawal of pension / family pension from the banks, we have reiterated the instructions issued earlier to all the agency banks and advised them to categorise the cases of sick and incapacitated pensioners  as under:

1. Pensioner who is too ill to sign a cheque / unable to be physically present  in the bank

2. Pensioner who is not only unable to be physically present  in the bank but also not even able to put his/her thumb impression on the cheque/ withdrawal form due to certain physical defect / incapacity.

With a view to enabling such old/sick/incapacitated pensioners to operate their accounts, banks have been advised to follow the procedure as under:

a) Wherever thumb or toe impression of the old/sick pensioner is obtained, it should be identified by two independent witnesses known to the bank, one of whom should be a responsible bank official.

b) Where the pensioner cannot even put his/her thumb/ toe impression and also would not be able to be physically present in the bank, a mark can be obtained on the cheque/withdrawal form, which should be identified by two independent witnesses, one of whom should be a responsible bank official.

Accordingly, the agency banks are requested to instruct their branches to display the instructions issued in this regard on their notice board so that sick and disabled pensioners could make full use of these facilities. The banks are also advised to sensitise the staff members in the matter and to refer to the FAQs on pension disbursement hosted on our website www.rbi.org.in in case of any doubt."

In the matter of Life Certificate RBI clarified as follows:

Is it compulsory for a pensioner to furnish a Life Certificate/Non-Employment Certificate or Employment Certificate to the bank in the month of November?

Yes. The pensioner is required to furnish a Life Certificate/Non – Employment Certificate or Employment Certificate to the bank in the month of November every year. However, in case a pensioner is unable to obtain a Life Certificate from an authorized bank officer on account of serious illness / incapacitation, the bank official will visit his/her residence/ hospital for the purpose of recording the life certificate.”

                                         IBA has also circulated vide their Ref:CE/RB/CS/5239 dt.3.3.2012. to CEOs of the Banks, on Implementation of the recommendations of the Report of the Committee on Customer Service in Banks (Damodaran Committee)

As per which it is stated that ;- 

No. 04.i.4 “Pensioner may be allowed to submit the annual life certificate at any of the (linked) branches and not necessarily at the home branch. All the life certificates may be maintained in a centralized database.”

                                    As far as Bank Pensioners are concerned Employees Pension Regulations, is silent on this point ,and as a practice banks are obtaining Life Certificate from Bank Pensioners.

Mohandas Rao

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Oct 31, 2013, 3:02:41 AM10/31/13
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Dear Sri P. Mohan,

Thank you very much for your detailed information about Life Certificates for Government Pensioners.

K. MOHANDAS RAO


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Narendra Khutate

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Oct 31, 2013, 9:58:42 AM10/31/13
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Dear Sri P. Mohan,

Thank you very much for your detailed information about Life Certificates for Government Pensioners.
BUT SIR, MY SPECIFIC REQUEST IS FOR THE PENSION REGULATION IN BANKS.
ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS BY IBA/RBI OR ANY OF THE AUTHORITY IS FOR THE CENTRAL/STATE PENSIONERS WHOSE PENSION IS PAID BY BANKS. I DO NOT FIND ANY GUIDELINE/REGULATION ACCORDING TO WHICH BANK PENSIONERS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THE LIFE CERTIFICATE.
THE SIMPLE LOGIC IS THAT IF BANK PENSIONER VISITS ITS PENSION PAYING BRANCH AT LEAST ONCE DURING THE YEAR AND PERSONALLY  WITHDRWS CASH FROM HIS PENSION ACCOUNT, A MERE PASSING OF CHEQUE FOR CASH PAYMENT BY BANK OFFICIAL/MANAGER BECOMES THE LIFE CERTIFICATE.
I  FURTHER SUBMIT THAT SINCE 2001 TO OCT -12 I DID NOT SUBMIT LIFE CERTIFICATE TO THE BANK THROUGH ANY OF THE BRANCH.
THIS IS JUST OBSERVATION AND I REQUEST ALL OUR MEMBER TO QUOTE THE SPECIFIC REGULATION/GUIDELINE OF IBA OR RBI DIRECTING BANK PENSIONERS TO SUBMIT LIFE CERTIFICATE BECAUSE WE ARE GOVERNED BY BANK PENSION REGULATIONS-1995 AND NOT BY CENTRAL/STATE PENSION REGULATION WHICH CONTAIN PROVISION FOR SUBMISSION OF LIFE CERTIFICATE DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMEVR EVERY YEAR.

WITH REGARDS
NARENDRA KHUTATE

mohan p

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Nov 1, 2013, 4:53:02 AM11/1/13
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Dear Mr.Narendra Khutate,
                                           As I have mentioned in earlier post , there is no provision in Bank Employees Pension Regulations 1995,on this specific subject.

Mohan.P


Mohandas Rao

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Nov 1, 2013, 5:23:51 AM11/1/13
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Dear Friends,

The subject of submission of Life Certificates for bank pensioners has been discussed in detail in the last two years, and the moderator has to intervene and stop further hot discussions.  There is no use in raising the doubts again and again, and initiating further unwarranted arguments. 

With Diwali Greetings to All,
K. MOHANDAS RAO

cpvnair.nair

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Nov 1, 2013, 9:30:33 AM11/1/13
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Timely intervention.I see that of late, many matters are discussed again and again.Occasionally certain matters not  linked with pensioners are dragged for unnecessary debates.I also request the respected moderator to do the needful.
 
warm reg
 
 
CPVNAIR

JSOMA SHEKARA

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Nov 2, 2013, 12:12:45 AM11/2/13
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Even though there is no provision in Pension Regulations to pay Pension on the day other than first working day of the month few banks are obliging by paying pension wel before that date. Hence there is no harm in submitting LIFE certificate even though there is no provision for the same.

Mohandas Rao

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Nov 6, 2013, 4:33:02 AM11/6/13
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Dear Friends,

MARRIAGE/REMARRIAGE CERTIFICATE FOR FAMILY PENSIONERS:

Please refer to Regulation 40 of the Banks’ Pension Regulations, which is reproduced as it is, after my comments. I would like to clarify the following: 

•  W
hile submitting the Life Certificates in November every year, regular bank pensioners should not sign the marriage/non-marriage declaration, as it does not apply to them. Pension is a deferred wage, and by virtue of his/her service in the bank, he/she is entitled for the pension till death.

• In the case of a Family Pensioner, irrespective of whether such pensioner is a widow or a widower, a remarriage declaration has to be signed. This is a must, as the family pension will be stopped from the date of such remarriage. Of course, in case of a remarriage, the same should be promptly reported as per the undertaking to enable the bank to stop pension from the date of such event.

• In the case of a Family Pensioner, being a daughter of a deceased pension
 bank pensioner, she has to sign the declaration of non-marriage. This is also a must, as the family pension to the daughter will be stopped from the date of such marriage. Of course, here also, in case of a marriage, the same should be promptly reported as per the undertaking to enable the bank to stop pension from the date of such event. If she attains an age of 25 years, bank will stop pension; if the pension not stopped by a mistake, she has to report the same and ensure stoppage.

K. MOHANDAS RAO
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REGULATION 40 OF THE BANKS' PENSION REGULATIONS:

“….. Period of payment of family pension:-
The period for which family pension is payable shall be :-
(a) in the case of a widow or a widower, up to the date of death or re-marriage, whichever is earlier;
(b) in the case of a son, until he attains the age of twenty-five years; and
(c) in the case of an unmarried daughter, until she attains the age of 
twenty-five years or until she gets married, whichever is earlier…..”


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