Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

[Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi]

Dear Friends, Friends! I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC leadership, an association for Syndicate Bank pensioners and retirees is formed on Sunday the 24th June, 2012 @ Hyderabad. At the initiative of Mr.C.Gangadhar Yadav, former V.P. of SBOA and one of the  Joint Secretaries to AIBOC, it is, already, registered in this week. All cadres of employees, be it executives, officers, award staff---all the retirees are eligible to join and coming under one fold, Because, all these retirees are unorganized and suffering both individually and as a group. The registration fees is Rs.100/= and membership fees is tentatively fixed at Rs.10/= per month to be deductible from pension proceeds every month. Several issues are to be settled & AIBOC shall liaise.   Since, each bank retirees association can affiliate to AIBOC, so that AIBOC can move levers of power in IBA and Government echelons and to get the grievances addressed by them,.So that these court cases, representations, appeals, hope against hope shall come to a logical and pleasant end. Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner,  attended the meeting and hence the latest updates. Thanks a MILLION, regards, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi, B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure], Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

[Prasad C N]

Dear Dr.Bhupathi,

Are you very happy that Retirees' Organisation of Syndicate Bank is splitting ?  

What is the objective of forming such an organisation ?  Is it fragmentation of organisations or consolidation of organisation ?

Have you gone through recent Judgment of Karnataka High Court, which says

'It does not require a paranoid mind to suspect that the Unions or Associations were not as receptive or assiduously loyal loyal to the cause of the older employees as they were of officers or employees in harness' 

This relates to 6th BPS Joint Note, not 6th BPS settlement.  Who was responsible for this ?

Do you still have confidence in such an Organisation ?

Please cross check with the leaders, whether Joint Convener's organisation, SBI Retirees' Association is affiliated to AIBOC's retirees' Association ?

Please check what portion of Pension Balancing amount was appropriated to Pension in SBI ?

Please check what happened to SBI 7th BPS retirees' Pension ?  Non-SBI Banks' pension was corrected with effect from 1.5.2005.  What about SBI pension ?  Is it not AIBOC is responsible and present Joint Convener of AIBOC's retirees organisation was also a Convener of UFBU at that point of time ?

In BPS's history, only once method of calculating Pension (1616 - 1684 points) is altered to  

take away vested benefit.  Convener of UFBU then is the Joint Convener of AIBOC's Pensioners' Organisation.  7th BPS is the only incidence where AIBOC led Joint Note was signed, before BPS.  Who is responsible for this ?

Joint Note was signed in 1994.  This Joint Note considered pre-revised Pay for calculation of Gratuity.  This is opposed to Section 14 of Payment of Gratuity Act and Section 23 of Contract Act.  No such arrangement was made in BPS signed by Unions.  Who is still fighting Court case and who is responsible for the same ?  

I believe that all of you are intelligent Ex-Bank Officers.   Do you believe that remaining 8 constituents of UFBU turn a blind eye to Pensioners' Problem ?  

Who has the both numerical and moral strength ?  Is it an Organisation formed to only to provide an 'Office' of an All India Organisation or Organisation which is working for a period of more than 2 and a half decade and a part of Coordinated Retiree Organisation.

Please use your intelligence and decide.  Whether such a situation brings happiness to you or not ?

Thanks, a Million.

With regards,
Prasad C N

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Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM
Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

[Mohan V.R]

Sir,

at the time of consolidation under the existing banner of AIBRF and having seen many letters and voices against such new formations, it is surprising to find an invitation at this blog.

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Congratulations to com prasad for nailing the coffin.

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[LNG]

We have a recognized retirees association (Mr.N.T.Hegde Prsident). Management has already issued circular in this regard. Do we need multiplicity of association? Regards. Govindarajan (Pensioner Syndicate Bank)

[Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran]

Dear Friends,

 

AIBRF is the culmination of long standing efforts of various unions and everyone pins his hopes on AIBRF. They have done their spade work and their action plan is a commendable document.AIBOC is trying to nullify the good work done by AIBRF, by floating a new organisation. Those who have put in good number of service in various banks, cannot forget the dubious role payed by them during various occassions, not to mention at the time of introducation  pension scheme in the banks. They can serve better the causes of SBI only and others cannot depend on them. If the past is any indication, they will work only for garnering more benefits for SBI, of course, at the cost of others. Let us beware of their designs and move cautiously forward.

 

G.Ramachandran

CB SVRS          

[Raghavan K]

Nailing whose coffin? K Raghavan,"Deepam",11 Millennium Nagar,Koduvathara Road,Padivattom,PO Edapally,Cochin-682024.Phone 0484 2345367,Mobile 9446801259. --- On Sat, 30/6/12, Mohan V.R <vrmoh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Raghavan K]

How do you expect AIBOC in UBFU to help solve pensioners problems when you so critical of the organisation?Do you think that only AIBOC is responsible for the presenr maladies of bank employees and pensioners?What did other leaders think when they signed the agreements?

K Raghavan,"Deepam",11 Millennium Nagar,Koduvathara Road,Padivattom,PO Edapally,Cochin-682024.Phone 0484 2345367,Mobile 9446801259.

--- On Fri, 29/6/12, Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[pady nabs]

patting one more union/association on our head would pave way /hindering our views at every stage.   Dont be a partner to this cruel move.

well wisher.

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Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: bankpensioner Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

[real banker]

Dr D Bhupathi,

Will it not be appropriate for the pensioners to 1st ask the office bearers of AIBOC to come  clean on their past deeds (which has caused enormous hardship to pensioners) by getting the  following Joint actions signed by IBA & (UFBU led) AIBOC NULLIFIED/RECTIFIED so that the unjustices mated out to bank pensioners during the 7/8th  BPS is undone, thereby helping them towards redressal of  their grievences & then RIGHTFULLY talk about seeking support for another retirees Assn being formed under their banner ?

=>      100% DA neutralization to Pre-Nov2002 pensioners.

             (This is DESPITE the fact that the MOU signed in 1993 clearly states that the DA to pensioners from time to 

              time will be same as per DA formula in operation in RBI - RBI is already paying FULL Neutralisation of DA to 

              its employees but Pre-Nov2002 bank PENSIONERS are being DENIED this).

=>       49 months ARREARS on pension on 10 months average pay to Pre-Nov2002 pensioners.

=>       5 years weightage under reg 29(5) by some banks, despite Supreme Court Judgement in 2009.

=>       Medical facilities under welfare measures to NON-SUPERANNUATION pensioners.

=>       2nd Pension Option being denied to certain category of retirees'.

=>       And last, but not the least, Updation of pension in BPS.

The fact of the matter is that all signatories to BPS are afraid of re-discuessing above matters with IBA as they themselves were hand in glove with IBA in doing this crime to the pensioner's community - of course, they may be willing to discuss the last item (updation of pension) as after their own retirement tomorrow & thier interest is involved where they will also feel badly hurt. They may have lip sympathy for the pensioners - may be some letters also written, but have never seriously taken up other issues because of which the entire pensioner community is suffering & is feeling helpless as neither unions nor managements are willing to listen - to fight for their survival & their honour, they had been  fighting thru' courts for over 10-11 years but the result is before you.

I, meanwhile, agree with sh VRMohan that this is time for Consolidation under AIBRF and all must work for it.

Sudershan Pal

SVRS CBank

spal
REAL BANKER

[P.Israel Jesudian]

Thank you Mr.Prasad. A great shot at the forehead. Followers of this forum should think, the need of the hour is UNITY of individual bank retirees mass membership to one assn. and in turn to AIBRF.  every follower of this blog should watch the nefarious design of aiboc.

with regards
Israel
syndicate bank svrs2001 

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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:06:40 +0800
From: cn_pr...@yahoo.com
Subject: bankpensioner Re: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.
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[perumal maruthu]

Dear sir,

1)A vast majority of the sufferers of the discriminated DA belong to Scale I and above.

2)Mr.ShantaRaju was the Convenor & Aiboc's Gen.Secy to agree for a reduced merger of DA at 1616 instead of 1684 points as agreed to the serving staff. Workmen unions signed the same after 4 months after their stiff resistence failed.

3) When the pro-pension Unions signed the MOU in 1993, what was the demand of Aiboc and what did it demand in 2009?

4) Who wrested 6.5% ransom for whose benefit? As a quid-pro-voco, 3500 VRS-PF-Opted Officers were ditched and they are still  stranded. Why didn't Mr.Nadaaf evacuate them?

5)Mr.Shanta Raju & Mr.Nadaaf hail from SBI. Why do they not want to split SBIPensioners Federation but want to split the Retirees' Forum in non-SBI Banks? Do you still think non-Sbi Officers are Organisationally continue to be bonded-slaves to Sbi-Aiboc even after retirement? Is there no one in any non-Sbi-banks to lead them? Are they still not satisfied with misleading the gullible retired Officers as they did during 1993-95? What moral right do they have to stand before the same Officers whom they earlier misled and forced them to suffer so long, starved of PENSION?

6) If the pending issues of pensioners such as 100%DA & Updation are not resolved in Xth BPS/Jt Note, every suffering Pensioner knows it is next to impossible to achieve them thereafter.When AIBRF is taking every step in this direction, what is that the aibparc-Promotors are doing except doleing out hefty sums to a few here and there and hijacking them?

7)Piggy-back riding may be happier for a child. But no serious Organisation can grow this way to assert its Independence and win/retain the Rights & Privileges of the Pensioners. Worse off will be the fate of the Retirees, when these back-door-entry persona also sit along with UFBU constituents to decide the issues of the Retirees!

M.Perumal

(Scale II)

Canara Bank Pensioner

Chennai

 

 

From: Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi <dracup...@yahoo.in> To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>; rlkr...@gmail.com; chvna...@yahoo.com Cc: cn_pr...@yahoo.com; bajranglal...@yahoo.in; venugopal cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>; nthegde hegde <nth...@gmail.com>; nth...@rediffmail.com; mohand...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC. Dear Friends, Friends! I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC leadership, an association for Syndicate Bank pensioners and retirees is formed on Sunday the 24th June, 2012 @ Hyderabad. At the initiative of Mr.C.Gangadhar Yadav, former V.P. of SBOA and one of the  Joint Secretaries to AIBOC, it is, already, registered in this week. All cadres of employees, be it executives, officers, award staff---all the retirees are eligible to join and coming under one fold, Because, all these retirees are unorganized and suffering both individually and as a group. The registration fees is Rs.100/= and membership fees is tentatively fixed at Rs.10/= per month to be deductible from pension proceeds every month. Several issues are to be settled & AIBOC shall liaise.   Since, each bank retirees association can affiliate to AIBOC, so that AIBOC can move levers of power in IBA and Government echelons and to get the grievances addressed by them,.So that these court cases, representations, appeals, hope against hope shall come to a logical and pleasant end. Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner,  attended the meeting and hence the latest updates. Thanks a MILLION, regards, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi, B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure], Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

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[Prasad C N]

Dear Shri Raghavan,

How do you expect AIBOC in UBFU to help solve pensioners problems when you so critical of the organisation? 

I have critical of AIBOC, because, no other constituent has taken any initiative to divide existing retirees' organisation.  If they were to support RBONC (Retired Bank Officers' National Confederation), we would have been happy.  It is extremely difficult to form and ensure its growth of retirees' organisations.  But, AIBOC, instead of consolidation, they are trying to split existing organisation.  This move also have adverse impact on functioning of UFBU, when all others are supporting AIBRF/UFBRO.  We in State Bank Group understand the advantage of having only One Union and One Association.  Benefits/Service conditions are far better than other Banks.  Still, why these leaders from State Bank Group try to split organisations ?  Is it to encourage aspiration of only a few individuals who want positions ? Is it to create multiple organisations in each of the Bank, if each constituent of UFBU also form their own Retirees' Organisations, taking a cue from AIBOC ?  Can we be critical of non-AIBOC organisations for this malady ?  Even ABROA is in the verge of split ?  Who is responsible ?  ;

Do you think that only AIBOC is responsible for the presenr maladies of bank employees and pensioners?  

 

I have already stated the problem created by AIBOC in 6th, 7th and Pension Settlement.  In all these cases either Award Staff are not affected or AIBEA did not mislead.  Nor other organisations are trying to form retiree organisations twith only intention to rehabilitate their past leaders, in the process split present Retirees' Organisations.  

What did other leaders think when they signed the agreements? 

No other organisation is involved, when 6th BPS was signed.  It was only AIBOC. Only General Secretary of AIBOC (not General Secretaries of other organisations) did not sign MOU signed on 27/11/2009.  AIBOC is present in all Banks and not other organisations. AIBEA is almost non-existent in SBI/IOB/erstwhile SBS.  NCBE is almost non-existent in Banks other than SBI, IOB, erstwhile SBS and Bank of Baroda.  Whom else we can blame ?

Please hear speaches of leaders of AIBPARC.  They say it is a composite organisation, in the beginning, but forget Award Staff, by the time they are half a through their speech.  Still they have not forgotten their erstwhile designation.  They have forgotten, post retirement, there can be only one Pension Regulation and common benefits.  All of us are Bank Pensioners only.  We cannot be Award Staff Pensioner, Scale I Officer/II Officer/III Officer pensioners, post retirement.  Why this compartmentalisation ?  Atleast, post retirement we have an opportunity to live together, work together and enjoy together.  Do we need separate counter, etc., based on erstwhile  designation/cadre ?  We have separate Union/Association, because laws are not common and role is not common.  Still why this Kolavari ?

Thanks, a Million.

With regards,
Prasad C N

From: Raghavan K <raghav...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012 8:29 AM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Re: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

[S.H.S. Mani]

Dear Mr. Mohan, It is long time since reading your views. All your writings are worth suggestions and important matters useful to all. I am indeed happy to read your writings.

--- On Sat, 30/6/12, Mohan V.R <vrmoh...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mohan V.R <vrmoh...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: bankpensioner Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC. To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

[Raghavan K]

AIBEA has started organising retired staff unions in some states at least, ifyou do not know, Mr.Prasad.

K Raghavan,"Deepam",11 Millennium Nagar,Koduvathara Road,Padivattom,PO Edapally,Cochin-682024.Phone 0484 2345367,Mobile 9446801259.

[Raghavan K]

AIBEA has started organising retired staff unions in some states at least, ifyou do not know, Mr.Prasad.

K Raghavan,"Deepam",11 Millennium Nagar,Koduvathara Road,Padivattom,PO Edapally,Cochin-682024.Phone 0484 2345367,Mobile 9446801259.

--- On Sat, 30/6/12, Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: bankpensioner Re: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, 30 June, 2012, 20:35

[C P V Nair]

Dear all,

Let AIBEA/AIBOC start organising UNORGANISED retiees instead of splitting existing outfits.

 

See, we should appreciate the fact that everybody has got a right to form any organisation.That is why perhaps, in India, there are more than 50 political parties in India.And this is the one of the (many)reasons why the country suffers.So,...

 

Reg

 

 

CPVNAIR

[C P V Nair]

Dear all,

 

Let us all be doubt free.We shall stop the stone-throwings each other and work unitedly for the welfare of ALL THE BANK RETIREES.We shall spend our whole energy in fighting for rectification of DA anomalies, achievement of pension updation.In this fight, if we get the help and support of persons like GD Nadaf, we will accept it with gratitude.what is the trouble? WE ARE  ONLY RETIREES.

 

Let us bury the (mis)deeds of persons/organisations in the past and take care of the future.Dear Prasadji, Persons like me have great faith in you.Please do not waste your valuable time in engaging in irrelevant matters. We have a lot to do henceforth.Past is past and it has no bearing to our future.Let us get more equipped and armoured for future fights.

 

LET US PUT IN OUR WHOLE EFFORTS IN ORGANISING THE UNORGANISED BANK RETIREES.

 

I expect Prasadji and AIBRF to do a lot in this direction.

 

Thank you all.

 

Regards,

 

 

C P V NAIR

SBT-member,ABROA

[pady nabs]

If I am correct, AIBOC//Indian Bank has started an Retirees Association, getting Rs.500/-as life membership at chennai.    It started in 2001/2002.  Can anybody comeforward and say what it did for the bank retirees svrs during the interim period, what it is going to do.   Only it gave the attended members some posts. what else it did concretely.   Rest I left to your choice.

 padmanabhan svrs.2001 i.b.

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Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 8:41 AM

[perumal maruthu]

Dear Shri Nairji,

After reading your passionate appeal ( as a reply to Shri Prasad's unassailable questions) ,I am reminded of a Tamil proverb:

விடிய விடிய ராமாயணம் கேட்டவன்
சீதைக்கு ராமன் சித்தப்பந்தானே?....என்றானாம்!

(The Man who listened to the story reading of Ramayana through out the night, exclaimed at the end ' Rama is cousin-father to Seetha').

Similarly, you have expressed hope that if we get the help and support of persons like GD Nadaf, we will accept it with gratitude.what is the trouble? WE ARE ONLY RETIREES!

It is really very sad that an enlightened elderly Pensioner like you still pin hope on Mr.Nadaaf to lead you even after knowing fully well what Mr.Nadaaf did on 27/11/2009 (threatening IBA not to sign MOU on one more option with Shri K.S.Shetty) or what the predecessors of Mr.Nadaaf (Mr.ShantaRaju, the Late Mr.Godbole or Mr.S.R.Sengupta) did for the serving non-Sbi Officers in 1995.

It is also surprising that you are endorsing the slogan of  'Unity of Retirees ....Zindabad' uttered from the mouth of a supporter of splitting. It is like shouting 'Govinda, Govinda' by one or two insincere persons also joining the pious crowd on a March to Tirumala! (Their real intention is to rob the innocent).

 

Sir, no one can dispute anyone else's right to form a Union,Forum or Party. But the followers must know their Leaders credentials and their past deeds. Herd-like following will lead the retirees nowhere!

 

Mr. Nadaaf and Mr. Shanta Raju are from SBI. Have you ever asked them why SBIPensioners' Federation is not attempted by them to bring 'UNITY' of all retirees of all Banks? Why MULTIPLICITY theory is not applied to SBI? Are they not able to wag their tail at SBIPF?

The Butcher also prays to God and even dons a garland of flowers on the sacrificial-Goat. Should the innocent Lamb still think that if I get the help and support of the butcher  like ............., I will accept it with gratitude.? 

 

M.Perumal

Chennai 

 

 

 

From: C P V Nair <cpvnai...@gmail.com>
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With regards,Prasad C N

With regards,Prasad C N

From: Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi <dracup...@yahoo.in> To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>; rlkr...@gmail.com; chvna...@yahoo.com Cc: cn_pr...@yahoo.com; bajranglal...@yahoo.in; venugopal cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>; nthegde hegde <nth...@gmail.com>; nth...@rediffmail.com; mohand...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC. Dear Friends, Friends! I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC leadership, an association for Syndicate Bank pensioners and retirees is formed on Sunday the 24th June, 2012 @ Hyderabad. At the initiative of Mr.C.Gangadhar Yadav, former V.P. of SBOA and one of the  Joint Secretaries to AIBOC, it is, already, registered in this week. All cadres of employees, be it executives, officers, award staff---all the retirees are eligible to join and coming under one fold, Because, all these retirees are unorganized and suffering both individually and as a group. The registration fees is Rs.100/= and membership fees is tentatively fixed at Rs.10/= per month to be deductible from pension proceeds every month. Several issues are to be settled & AIBOC shall liaise.   Since, each bank retirees association can affiliate to AIBOC, so that AIBOC can move levers of power in IBA and Government echelons and to get the grievances addressed by them,.So that these court cases, representations, appeals, hope against hope shall come to a logical and pleasant end. Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner,  attended the meeting and hence the latest updates. Thanks a MILLION, regards, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi, B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure], Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

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[Narayan T Hegde]

Dear Shri.LNG,
Thank you for the opinion expressed by you.It is up to the retirees to think whether multiplicity of organisations will serve the interest of the retirees.The need of the hour is total consolidation of the retirees in the bank.we can only ill afford to float more and more outfits of retirees as the politicians of the day float new political parties to subserve their personal interests.We only hope that our retirees will take a decision which is very much in their interest.
It is understandable that there is a need for a new organisation,if the already existing one is toally defunct or ineffective.Does the situation warrant floating of a new outfit?
N T Hegde,President,AISBRA.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:04:02 +0530 wrote

Government echelons and to get thegrievancesaddressed by

them,.So that these court cases,representations, appeals, hope

against hopeshall come to a logical and pleasant

end.

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Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao
Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner, attended the meeting and
hence the latest updates.

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Thanks a MILLION,

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regards,

>
Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi,
B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure],
Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

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AIBOC started Retirees Association only recently in March 2012. I do not know about Indian Bank and their retired employees can only vouch for that.  The second option for pension was achieved by UFBU in 2010 and AIBOC was also one of its constituents. It is absurd to find fault with their parent association and concentrate now for improving the conditions of retirees as a whole.

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From: pady nabs <pady...@yahoo.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 2:04 PM

[Narayan T Hegde]

Dear Shri.Prasad,
Thank you for the apt reaction.It is also our duty to tell the world that the erstwhile Gen.Secretary of SBOA ,who was the President of AIBOC,during the last negotiation,was solely responsible for the most casual manner in which the settlement was signed,knowing fully well that the VRS Optees (Gen)are being stabbed in the back.Today,these VRS Optees are undergoing the agony of not getting pension,like other retirees.This is how the so called tall leaders of AIBOC have been behaving in case of the retirees.
Regards,
N T Hegde,President,AISBRA.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:11:30 +0530 wrote

> Dear Dr.Bhupathi,
Are you very happy that Retirees' Organisation of Syndicate Bank is splitting ?
What is the objective of forming such an organisation ? Is it fragmentation of organisations or consolidation of organisation ?
Have you gone through recent Judgment of Karnataka High Court, which says

'It does not require a paranoid mind to suspect that the Unions or Associations were not as receptive orassiduously loyal loyal to the cause of the older employees as they were of officers or employees in harness'

This relates to 6th BPS Joint Note, not 6th BPS settlement. Who was responsible for this

?Do you still have confidence in such an Organisation ?
Please cross check with the leaders, whether JointConvener'sorganisation, SBI Retirees' Association is affiliated to AIBOC's retirees' Association ?

Please check what portion of Pension Balancing amount was appropriated to Pension in SBI ?
Please check what happened to SBI 7th BPS retirees' Pension ? Non-SBI Banks' pension was corrected with effect from 1.5.2005. What about SBI pension ? Is it not AIBOC is responsible and present Joint Convener of AIBOC's
retirees organisation was also a Convener of UFBU at that point of time ?
In BPS's history, only once method of calculating Pension (1616 - 1684 points) is altered to take away vested benefit. Convener of UFBU then is the Joint Convener of AIBOC's Pensioners' Organisation. 7th BPS is the only incidence where AIBOC led Joint Note was signed, before BPS. Who is responsible for this ?
Joint Note was signed in 1994. This Joint Note considered pre-revised Pay for calculation of Gratuity. This is
opposed to Section 14 of Payment of Gratuity Act and Section 23 of Contract Act. No such arrangement was made in BPS signed by Unions. Who is still fighting Court case and who is responsible for the same ?

I believe that all of you are intelligent Ex-Bank Officers. Do you believe that remaining 8constituentsof UFBU turn a blind eye to Pensioners' Problem ?

Who has the both numerical and moral strength ? Is it an Organisation formed to only to provide an 'Office' of an All India Organisation or Organisation which is working for a period of more than 2 and a half decade and a part of
Coordinated Retiree Organisation.
Please use your intelligence and decide. Whether such a situation brings happiness to you or not ?
Thanks, a Million.

With regards,
Prasad C N

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Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM
Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

Dear Friends,Friends! I am very happy to inform
U that under the auspices of AIBOC leadership, an association for Syndicate Bank pensioners and retirees is formed on Sunday the 24th June, 2012 @ Hyderabad. At the initiative of Mr.C.Gangadhar Yadav, former V.P. of SBOA and one of the Joint Secretaries to AIBOC, it is, already, registered in this week.All cadres of employees, be it executives, officers, award staff---all the retirees are eligible to join and coming under one fold, Because, all these retirees are unorganized and suffering both individually and as a group. The registration fees is Rs.100/= and membership fees is tentatively fixed at Rs.10/= per month to be deductible from pension proceeds

every month. Several issues are to be settled & AIBOC shallliaise.

Since, each bank retirees association can affiliate to AIBOC, so that AIBOC can move levers of power in IBA and Government echelons and to get thegrievancesaddressed by them,.So that these court cases,representations, appeals, hope against hopeshall come to a logical and pleasant end.

Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner, attended the meeting and hence the latest updates.
Thanks a MILLION,
regards,

Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi,B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure],Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

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[Srinivasa Murti Devulapalli]

Forming a new out fit for bank pensioners by AIBOC is certainly ill conceived. All along, AIBOC has been utilizing the platform at the apex level more for their own SBI affiliates' interests.  That was how, they played a negative role at the time of indoctrination of Pension Scheme to the Bank Employees. Had they been positive in line with the other constituents of UFBU, by now we would have got settled all most all the pending issues concerning the pensioners excepting updation.  That situation perhaps would have been congenial as of now for all of us to converge our collective energies be focused only on Upadation of Pension.  AIBOC was solely responsible for this damage and retardation  in progress.  No one can deny this factual position.  Having done this damage, AIBOC has no locus stand to project itself as the champions for pensioners' cause. It is belated realisation on its part.  Only to rehabilitate their retired leadership, they have formed this new out fit and nothing else.

Devulapalli Srinivasa Murti: Syndicate Bank : VRS:2000(Retd.Manager):Ramavarappadu PO):Vijayawada.  

D S MURTI

[Prasad C N]

Dear Mr.Raghavan,

It is true that AIBOC created a retirees organisation with retirees as Associate Members. But, such system come to an early and others have forgotten about that.  

I repeat what is stated earlier.  If AIBOC, like other UFBU constituents, did not attempt to form a retirees organisation and encourage their past leaders to mobilise membership (some of them were/are part of  AIBRF/RBONC), nobody would have found fault with them.

Our question is why double standards.  Stand of AIBOC in respect of FSBIRA (SBI Retirees Federation) and other retirees' organisations differs.  Why this discrimination ? 

 

 

Thanks, a Million.

With regards,
Prasad C N

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From: Raghavan S <raghav...@yahoo.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 9:57 PM

[sureshbhat M]

Dear Dhananjay Bhupathi

     You are saying that  a new group is formed for synd Bank Retirees under AIBOC, on Sunday. Will you please explain what has happened to existing Synd Bank Retirees group recognised under AIBRF banner?

     I strongly believe, you are not one among us to split our own AIBRF group. Pls keep up our faith bestowed upon you. 

With regards

Suresh Bhat M

Canara Bank SVRS.

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[perumal maruthu]

Dear Mr.Raghavan,

You have stated that the second option was achieved by UFBU and Aiboc is one of it's constituents. No one can deny your statement. But you are conveniently forgetting to state the BLACKMAIL drama staged by the Gen.Secy of Aiboc on 27/11/2009. Pl read the circular issued by Mr.Nadaaf & Mr.Kadri in this regard and then try to affix your saner stamp of ABSURDITY!

M.Perumal

Chennai

 

With regards,Prasad C N

With regards,Prasad C N

From: Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi <dracup...@yahoo.in> To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>; rlkr...@gmail.com; chvna...@yahoo.com Cc: cn_pr...@yahoo.com; bajranglal...@yahoo.in; venugopal cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>; nthegde hegde <nth...@gmail.com>; nth...@rediffmail.com; mohand...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC. Dear Friends, Friends! I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC leadership, an association for Syndicate Bank pensioners and retirees is formed on Sunday the 24th June, 2012 @ Hyderabad. At the initiative of Mr.C.Gangadhar Yadav, former V.P. of SBOA and one of the  Joint Secretaries to AIBOC, it is, already, registered in this week. All cadres of employees, be it executives, officers, award staff---all the retirees are eligible to join and coming under one fold, Because, all these retirees are unorganized and suffering both individually and as a group. The registration fees is Rs.100/= and membership fees is tentatively fixed at Rs.10/= per month to be deductible from pension proceeds every month. Several issues are to be settled & AIBOC shall liaise.   Since, each bank retirees association can affiliate to AIBOC, so that AIBOC can move levers of power in IBA and Government echelons and to get the grievances addressed by them,.So that these court cases, representations, appeals, hope against hope shall come to a logical and pleasant end. Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner,  attended the meeting and hence the latest updates. Thanks a MILLION, regards, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi, B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure], Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

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[Srinivasa Murti Devulapalli]

Forming a new out fit for bank pensioners by AIBOC is certainly ill conceived. All along, AIBOC has been utilizing the platform at the apex level more for their own SBI affiliates' interests.  That was how, they played a negative role at the time of introduction of Pension Scheme to the Bank Employees. Had they been positive in line with the other constituents of UFBU, by now we would have got settled all most all the pending issues concerning the pensioners excepting updation.  That situation perhaps would have been congenial as of now for all of us to converge our collective energies be focused only on Upadation of Pension.  AIBOC was solely responsible for this damage and retardation  in progress.  No one can deny this factual position.  Having done this damage, AIBOC has no locus stand to project itself as the champions for pensioners' cause. It is belated realisation on its part.  Only to rehabilitate their retired leadership, they have formed this new out fit and nothing else.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Narayan T Hegde <nth...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

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[venkat rao]

Dear friends, I do not understand why we are making lot of noise on AIBOC starting a pensioners union. Have the pensioners  recieved any support from other 7 unions of UFBU for their genuine demands.The answer is BIG No.Then why do you blame AIBOC.Who is responsible for non introduction of updation of pension which is the sole and real issue for the entire pensioners commune of banking industry.Asst banks of SBI have not extended the benefit of 5 years notional service to their pensioners.Whom  to blame?Have the serving unions of both officers and award staff helped in the matter.No.I was  the witness to a pensioners meeting held 3 years back where leaders of serving unions addressed us promising to get the benfit of 5 years and got the applause of senior citizens(pensioners) and forgot the issue the moment they got down of the dias.When D.A. was paid in 1998 settlement was of different percentage for different basic nobody protested then.SBI empolyees are getting 3 benefits and so they have faith in their unions.Rest of  unions have not lived up to the expectaions of their comrades.That is why pensioners are suffering.If all the unions take up the issue of pensioners in one voice then only it will be heard.dear friends SBI are having 3 Schemes PF,PENSION and GRATUITY that is why they have confidence in AIBOC and NCBE who faught relentlessly to improve the benefits for serving and retirees.Remeber others get only 2 benefits,PENSION  and GRATUITY.here pensioners require the wholehearted support of their parent(serving)unions Venkatrao.H SBM mysore.

--- On Sat, 30/6/12, Mohan V.R <vrmoh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Raghavan S]

Well said. We have to bury our differences and march ahead. All the other unions are blaming only AIBOC for the omissions and commissions in the settlement. There are other 8 constituents of the UFBU and what they have done if they command majority. I request the forum members to stop witchhunting and march ahead. We have to unite for getting the benefits which were due and not considered. Let us put a FULL STOP. for blaming AIBOC alone for all mischief --- On Mon, 2/7/12, venkat rao <venka...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

[perumal maruthu]

Dear Mr.Venkat Rao,

If Aiboc was sincere to Pension as III benefit, why did they sign the Pension settlement in 1995?

Why did Aiboc demand one more option in 2009 for the same pension scheme? Why couldn't they get it atleast in 2010 as III benefit? Or atleast, why couldn't they stop recovery of / sharing of funding gap? Why the 2 Lac PF-opted Officers couldnot be persuaded by Aiboc to continue to be in PF till they sign for III benefit?

No sane pension optee is ready to buy your III Benefit Theory after having been meaninglessly made to wait for more than 15 Years!

 

M.Perumal

Chennai

With regards,Prasad C N

From: Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi <dracup...@yahoo.in> To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>; rlkr...@gmail.com; chvna...@yahoo.com Cc: cn_pr...@yahoo.com; bajranglal...@yahoo.in; venugopal cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>; nthegde hegde <nth...@gmail.com>; nth...@rediffmail.com; mohand...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC. Dear Friends, Friends! I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC leadership, an association for Syndicate Bank pensioners and retirees is formed on Sunday the 24th June, 2012 @ Hyderabad. At the initiative of Mr.C.Gangadhar Yadav, former V.P. of SBOA and one of the  Joint Secretaries to AIBOC, it is, already, registered in this week. All cadres of employees, be it executives, officers, award staff---all the retirees are eligible to join and coming under one fold, Because, all these retirees are unorganized and suffering both individually and as a group. The registration fees is Rs.100/= and membership fees is tentatively fixed at Rs.10/= per month to be deductible from pension proceeds every month. Several issues are to be settled & AIBOC shall liaise.   Since, each bank retirees association can affiliate to AIBOC, so that AIBOC can move levers of power in IBA and Government echelons and to get the grievances addressed by them,.So that these court cases, representations, appeals, hope against hope shall come to a logical and pleasant end. Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner,  attended the meeting and hence the latest updates. Thanks a MILLION, regards, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi, B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure], Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

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[perumal maruthu]

Dear Mr.Raghavan,

One member of the blog posted a Mail expressing his delerious jubilation over splitting the Retirees' Forum in his Bank.

Mr.Prasad posed him a host of valid points. Excepting yourself and Mr.VenkatRao, most of the readers have reacted positively to the observations of Mr.Prasad.

Instead of putting counter valid points(if  at all you have any) you try to brush everything aside as mud-slinging exhibiting your intolerance for truth and  prejudiced mind failing to look into other's point of views.

While you think you have the right to cynically look at every aspect of the Pension scheme or the pensioner related problems with perversion, are not others also having the same and equal right to reply with facts & figures to clarify the darker areas?

There is no need for any member to indulge in witch-hunting against any Union/Leader for fun. Owing to their rich- past experience in service and after exit, every Pensioner is matured enough to judge which Organisation is genuinely working for their welfare and which one is a sham!

Today's Retired Officers can not be once again taken for a ride as in 1995 when they were in service!!

M.Perumal

Chennai

From: Raghavan S <raghav...@yahoo.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 11:45 AM

With regards,Prasad C N

From: Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi <dracup...@yahoo.in> To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>; rlkr...@gmail.com; chvna...@yahoo.com Cc: cn_pr...@yahoo.com; bajranglal...@yahoo.in; venugopal cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>; nthegde hegde <nth...@gmail.com>; nth...@rediffmail.com; mohand...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC. Dear Friends, Friends! I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC leadership, an association for Syndicate Bank pensioners and retirees is formed on Sunday the 24th June, 2012 @ Hyderabad. At the initiative of Mr.C.Gangadhar Yadav, former V.P. of SBOA and one of the  Joint Secretaries to AIBOC, it is, already, registered in this week. All cadres of employees, be it executives, officers, award staff---all the retirees are eligible to join and coming under one fold, Because, all these retirees are unorganized and suffering both individually and as a group. The registration fees is Rs.100/= and membership fees is tentatively fixed at Rs.10/= per month to be deductible from pension proceeds every month. Several issues are to be settled & AIBOC shall liaise.   Since, each bank retirees association can affiliate to AIBOC, so that AIBOC can move levers of power in IBA and Government echelons and to get the grievances addressed by them,.So that these court cases, representations, appeals, hope against hope shall come to a logical and pleasant end. Since, one of my close friends Mr.RLK Rao Scale-III Senior Manager Retired Pensioner,  attended the meeting and hence the latest updates. Thanks a MILLION, regards, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi, B.Sc.,MA.,LLB.,CAIIB,MD[Acupressure], Syndicate Bank Pensioner.

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[Veeraswami]

Sir

We all know how AIBOC acted against Pension in the first place. They advised all their members to go for PF rejecting pension (some leaders opted for pension). How the same AIBOC reversed their stand and supported pension when they found how AIBEA was right and AiIBOC members started criticizing. AIBOC  never had a steady stand. 

We retirees not bothered which retiree association, brings relief to retirees, since we do not have negotiating power. Even AIBOC cannot fight for pensioners directly.

So I don't find necessary to have different associations under banner of different unions/assns, just to pamper their retired leader who sit there without any power after enjoying all benefits during service

Veeraswami V

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[lajpat rai]

To all members of this group and to all those regularly visit this web site for updates on Bank retirees terminal benefits.

 

Over the last few  days i am reading all pionous views being upload on this web site againast AIBOC. This is like feeling all human are thankless creatures. My friends over the period of long service inthe banks several monetary benefits., promotional avenues and other financial and non financial benefits were got sanctioned by AIBOC but no body is telling about these benefits or praising such benefits.

 

Secondly it is no where in any public sector pension as third benefit is available not even in railways,PO.,insurance.,both general and life insurance or centralgovt servants. It was a wishful thinking of AIBOC to achive the benefit as an additonal benefit whic could not be achieved due to various constraints  and main constraints of this was lowering strength ofht emembership. I sill remember when ever there was any call all the members used to grumple and were enjoying all comfts at theirhouses rather than assembling at the fixed spot toshow strength tothe managements.

 

Moreover  pension option no doubt AIBOC did say that theywilltry to achieve pension as III benefit but option wad given as s personal choice and several lacs officers opted for pension and several PF .There was no legal binding on the PF optees to continue with PF option and notto opt for pension option. Now most of you weill say it is propogated by AIBOC to avoid option for pension., here my question is how many of  us strictly follow the dictums of union leaders we d what ever it suits us and in case the decison proves adverse we throw it on leaders. This we have to introspect ourselves.

 

As regards 2nd option of pension., it is praise worthy agreement of UFBU of which AIBOC is also one of the constituent and no where in the history of trade union over the last forty years of my association with trade  union i have seen such an agreement which has given benefit of 2nd option of pension to retirees retired for the last 12 years.This is a historic achievement and we should not pin point the faults of leaders.

 

Our other organisation in the retiree movement are there for the last 25 years and not even an achievement of single paise has been achieved it wasd because previosuly retirements were very less and number of retirees were negligible and now after SVRS and large scale normal retirement large number of retirees are there and they being united and days are not far off when achievements like 100% da neutralisation for retirees prior to 2002 will be achieved. UFBU  and AIBRF all are making efforts to achieve this demand.

 

As regards upgradation of pension on evey wage revision., this is the primary important demand of UFBU and i am hope thatt this demand will be achieved by UFBU as large number of retirees are suffering as once an AGM told me that he is drawing less pension than that of a class IV of the bank. Now most of the leaders are retiring and in case now they do not achieve this demand in the coming 5 ten years their position will also be like that of an AGM saying noted above.

 

As regards uniform medical aid scheme in Banks., PNB union has already won the court case and instructions have been given by the court to IBA to frame a univorm medical aid policy for bank retirees so that they can lead a tension free life as regards medical expenses reimbursement is concerned.

 

We are educated pensioners and some of us have been holding senior positions., instead of criticising over the blogspot., has any one of us ever taken up the matter with IBA or Govt of india as every one has a right to show its greivances to the concerned authorites just to put pressure on IBA and Govt of india. Whatever time we use to say critisim if we start writing to IBA/Govt of India lot of pressure will be mounted on these auhtorites and it will help leadership to get the things done easily. we should support of leaders have faith in them and  do our duty.  When we were in service we did not have the gusts to speak anything against the leaders due to various risks involved now that we  are retired we are criticising our leaders who gave us a respectful life and right to say whatever we  are saying on this web site.

 

LAJPAT RAI THAKRAL.,

BA.,CAIIB.,PGDM.,AMFI AND IRDA

EX SENIOR BRANCH MANAGER

BANK OF INDIA.

 

 

 

 

 

With regards, Prasad C N

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[Narayan T Hegde]

Dear Murtigaru,
Thank you for your candid analysis.I solicit your full-hearted support to strengthen the mainstream of retirees under the banner of AISBRA.
Regards,
N T Hegde.


On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:57:09 +0530 wrote

>Forming a new out fit for bank pensioners by AIBOC is certainly ill conceived. All along, AIBOC has been utilizing the platform at the apex level more for their own SBI affiliates' interests.  That was how, they played a negative role at the time of indoctrination of Pension Scheme to the Bank Employees. Had they been positive in line with the other constituents of UFBU, by now we would have got settled all most all the pending issues concerning the pensioners excepting updation.  That situation perhaps would have been congenial as of now for all of us to converge our collective energies be focused only on Upadation of Pension.  AIBOC was solely responsible for this damage and retardation  in progress.  No one can deny this factual position.  Having done this damage, AIBOC has no locus stand to project itself as the champions for pensioners' cause. It is belated realisation on its part.  Only to rehabilitate their retired leadership, they have formed this new out fit and nothing else.

Devulapalli Srinivasa Murti: Syndicate Bank : VRS:2000(Retd.Manager):Ramavarappadu PO):Vijayawada.  

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 4:23 PM, perumal maruthu wrote:

Dear Shri Nairji,After reading your passionate appeal ( as a reply to Shri Prasad's unassailable questions) ,I am reminded of a Tamil proverb:

விடிய விடிய ராமாயணம் கேட்டவன்

சீதைக்கு ராமன் சித்தப்பந்தானே?....என்றானாம்!(The Man who listened to the story reading of Ramayana through out the night, exclaimed at the end ' Rama is cousin-father to Seetha').
Similarly, you have expressed hope that if we get the help and support of persons like GD Nadaf, we will accept it with gratitude.what is the trouble? WE ARE ONLY RETIREES!It is really very sad that an

wrote:


From:
Prasad C N
Subject: bankpensioner Re:
Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to
AIBOC.
To: "Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi"

Cc: "bankpensioner"

[venkat rao]

Dear Sri Perumal, Good morning.Thanks for reply.You have blamed the AIBOC for all the ills of the banking industry..Fine,but what happened to rest of the members of UFBU.Do they have any role or they are simply following the AIBOC.If so it is unfortunate  and nobody can save the comrades in general and pensioners in particular.Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Venkatrao.H SBM Mysore --- On Tue, 3/7/12, perumal maruthu <perumal...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

With regards, Prasad C N

[perumal maruthu]

Dear Shri Thakralji,

You have stated that you are a regular reader of this blog. Thanks that Leaders like you are aware of the problems of the suffering Retirees without Pension and the torment of the pre-1/11/2002 retired Pensioners who suffer discrimination, inequality and injustice in the form of denial of 100%DA.

You have made a sweeping generalisation that those who expressed divergent views, are thankless creatures. This is most uncharitable remark and shows intolerance for constructive criticism by the members.

3500 option-denied VRS Officers, 40000 PF-opted turned Neo-Pensioners who had to pay a heavy price of 156%, and the 150000 PF-opted serving Officers who lost their 9th Jt Note arrears can vouchsafe who misled them in 1993-95 to reject the Pension option when it was offered free in lieu of Bank's PF!

Your poser to the members 'HOW MANY OF US STRICTLY FOLLOW THE LEADERS' DICTUM'? is totally irrelevant and sheer escapism to turn the table against the gullible ordinary members.

 

Deep committment to the cause and a Long Term Vision for the commongood of all alone can make a TRUE Leader. But the 'PENSION AS II BENEFIT.... GOOD FOR ME BUT BAD FOR YOU' Theory vociferously advocated by the Leaders,  misled lacs of Officers to reject a cost-free Pension-option in 1995.

I need not dwell upon the ONE more option as already enough is written in this blog and all the readers know very well the drama behind MOU dt 27/11/2009 and they also know for whose benefit it was staged by the Gen.Secretary and how the 6.5% extortion surreptiously got paid to all in SBI.

Regarding your view expressed in the last para, some of the Members of this blog have taken the matter to MPs and other Eminent Personalties and got the Pensioners' woes highlighted in the Press. Perhaps you are not aware of this!

Finally, I thank you for your word of confidence that 100%DA for the pre-1/11/2002 will be achieved soon.

M.Perumal  M.A; C.A.I.I.B

Scale II SVRS

Canara Bank Pensioner

Chennai

[perumal maruthu]

Dear Mr. Rao,

Aiboc claims to have a membership of 80% of the Officers in Banks. Then, why do you want to try to shift the blame on other Unions of Officers?

[sureshbhat M]

Dear Lajpath Roy sir

      you are mistaken about our views. 

      For all the years  in service we were members of different Unions  and were opposing each others policy as herd of sheep.

     Atleast after retirement we need to be under one Union Umbrella and no question of parental  Union name comes here.  AIBRF is an Independent body with out any affiliation to any working staff Unions.

    But, an Union sponsored by AIBOC has a different view. All the ideas and views of AIBOC Union will surface there .  Views of members of other erstwhile Unions will be sidelined and they will never be allowed to join any committees for negotiations or other aspects.

    So that new Union will be only a mouth piece of AIBOC and not all Retirees. Due to this New Union, other Unions like AIBRF will not be allowed to participate or negotiate reg Retirees problems. For the benefit of existing Employees, AIBOC can successfully shut our mouth permanently through this Union.

 PLEASE THINK FROM ALL ANGLES BEFORE COMMENTING ON US.

With regards

Suresh Bhat M

Canara Bank SVRS

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[lajpat rai]

Respected Perumal Maruthu.,

 

1. My concern was to  at least appreciate the benefits got to us by the organisations and not only criticise such organisation for their failures for which efforts are continuing i.e. 100% DA Neutralisation., upgradation of pension, improvement in family pension etc.,

2. As regards refusal of 2nd option of pension to officers who availed VRS or resignees etc., the matter is already taken up the organissations with IBA and you it is only IBA who played mischief and not our organisations who definitely missed to seek ane ensure that the instructions by IBA are issued as per agreements.

3.As  regards sacrifice by the inservice friends, shelving of 156% ., friends when we join organisations, we share benefits and losses equally. While in service these retirees with pf option must have made lot of sacrificies for achiveing the demands inclusive of those peion optees so i think such already pension optees should feel that at least their bretherns who made mistake for not opting pension, have now been benefited at least they will be ableto lead a respectful life after retirement. Instead of allowing them to lead a miserablelife till their death now at least they can live on pension. The in service friends who sacrificied their arrears have still long years of service and days are not far off when their this loss will be compensated by fresh agreements It is only postponement of their rightful dues and not denial.

Some time trade unions have to take a broader view i.e. loosing something gaining handsome. Option for Pf optees both retired and in service is gaining handsome.

If you have been a trade union leader  you can well imagine the constraints under which leaders work. I have a personal experience as I have been active trade unionist in my officers life for more than 22 years and was a REGIONAL SECRETARY AND PRESENTLY GENERAL SECRETARY OF BANK OF INDIA RETIREES ASSCIATION.,NORTH WESTERN UNIT. Even  for serving retiree friends various types of pressures,criticism.,come when such posts  are not paid and do not command any otherthings. It is only love for the common cause which prompts us to do such a social service.

 

LAJPAT RAI THAKRAL

BA.,CAIIB.,PGDM.,AMFI AND IRDA

EX SENIOR BR MANAGER..,

GENERAL SECRETARY.,

BANK OF INDIA RETIREES ASSOCIATION.,

NORTH WESTERN UNIT.,

From: lajpat rai <thukrall...@yahoo.co.in>
To: thukrall...@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 10:22 AM
Subject: Fw: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension as third benefit for Bank employees/officers.

From: perumal maruthu <perumal...@yahoo.co.in>;
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>;
Subject: Re: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension as third benefit for Bank employees/officers.
Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 6:53:15 AM

Dear Shri Thakralji, You have stated that you are a regular reader of this blog. Thanks that Leaders like you are aware of the problems of the suffering Retirees without Pension and the torment of the pre-1/11/2002 retired Pensioners who suffer discrimination, inequality and injustice in the form of denial of 100%DA. You have made a sweeping generalisation that those who expressed divergent views, are thankless creatures. This is most uncharitable remark and shows intolerance for constructive criticism by the members. 3500 option-denied VRS Officers, 40000 PF-opted turned Neo-Pensioners who had to pay a heavy price of 156%, and the 150000 PF-opted serving Officers who lost their 9th Jt Note arrears can vouchsafe who misled them in 1993-95 to reject the Pension option when it was offered free in lieu of Bank's PF! Your poser to the members 'HOW MANY OF US STRICTLY FOLLOW THE LEADERS' DICTUM'? is totally irrelevant and sheer escapism to turn the table against the gullible ordinary members.   Deep committment to the cause and a Long Term Vision for the commongood of all alone can make a TRUE Leader. But the 'PENSION AS II BENEFIT.... GOOD FOR ME BUT BAD FOR YOU' Theory vociferously advocated by the Leaders,  misled lacs of Officers to reject a cost-free Pension-option in 1995. I need not dwell upon the ONE more option as already enough is written in this blog and all the readers know very well the drama behind MOU dt 27/11/2009 and they also know for whose benefit it was staged by the Gen.Secretary and how the 6.5% extortion surreptiously got paid to all in SBI. Regarding your view expressed in the last para, some of the Members of this blog have taken the matter to MPs and other Eminent Personalties and got the Pensioners' woes highlighted in the Press. Perhaps you are not aware of this! Finally, I thank you for your word of confidence that 100%DA for the pre-1/11/2002 will be achieved soon. M.Perumal  M.A; C.A.I.I.B Scale II SVRS Canara Bank Pensioner Chennai

From: lajpat rai <thukrall...@yahoo.co.in> To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 6:52 PM Subject: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension as third benefit for Bank employees/officers.

[rajkumarnegi]

sir, the govt gave the VRS option to the various deptts, including
Banks, When the response from the banks was in a larg number , the
management of the various banks realised their fault and started
putting hurdles, 1'put the date of retirement age 55, 2.denied many
applications . 3.gone back from 50% basic pension,,4.never realised
the agony of the employees/ officers.5. why the large numbers of the
employees / officers opted for the VRS.? Now IBA or the banks
are not Ready to pay 50% f their last drawn salary.the medical
benefits and other benefits.It is a curse on IBA and the Managements
of the various banks, IBA,and the managments of the various banks
donot realise the inflation in the country, and have grabed crores of
Rs due to the pensions.
2.what is the scale of pension in other banks, I feel in state Bank Of
india the 7th bipartite are pension etting basic pension upto Rs 4250/
maximum but the the pension in other banks ae not known, please give
in details, and the loss incurred by the SBI pensionrs of 7th
bipartite retirees. Rajkumarnegi Retired from State Bank of India
(200!) M.M.II (VRS)

> ________________________________

> From: lajpat rai <thukrall...@yahoo.co.in>
> To: thukrall...@yahoo.co.in
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 10:22 AM
> Subject: Fw: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension as
> third benefit for Bank employees/officers.
>
>
>

> ________________________________

> ________________________________

> ________________________________

> From: perumal maruthu perumal...@yahoo.co.in
> To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 4:49 AM
> Subject: Re: bankpensioner Re: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees'
> Association affiliated to AIBOC.
>
> Dear Mr.Venkat Rao,
> If Aiboc was sincere to Pension as III benefit, why did they sign the
> Pension settlement in 1995?
> Why did Aiboc demand one more option in 2009 for the same pension scheme?
> Why couldn't they get it atleast in 2010 as III benefit? Or atleast, why
> couldn't they stop recovery of / sharing of funding gap? Why the 2 Lac
> PF-opted Officers couldnot be persuaded by Aiboc to continue to be in PF
> till they sign for III benefit?
> No sane pension optee is ready to buy your III Benefit Theory after having
> been meaninglessly made to wait for more than 15 Years!
>
> M.Perumal
> Chennai
>

> ________________________________

>>>________________________________

>>>From: Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi <dracup...@yahoo.in>
>>>To: bankpensioner <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>; rlkr...@gmail.com;
>>> chvna...@yahoo.com
>>>Cc: cn_pr...@yahoo.com; bajranglal...@yahoo.in; venugopal
>>> cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>; nthegde hegde
>>> <nth...@gmail.com>; nth...@rediffmail.com; mohand...@gmail.com
>>>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012 8:09 PM
>>>Subject: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated
>>> to AIBOC.
>>>
>>>Dear Friends,

>>>Friends!I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC

> group at http://groups.google.com/group/bankpensioner?hl=en-GB.-- You

[R Balaji]

SBI pensioners never incurred any loss/ they are always far ahead of other Banks
Balaji

[Veeraswami]

SBI pensioners got the pension as third benefit. Apart from that they getting medical reimbursement .
I retired from Uco bank ( VRS 2001) when I was in scale 3 and now getting total od Rs 16000 after 11 years and no other benefits

Veeraswami V
Sent from my iPad

On 05-Jul-2012, at 7:15 AM, rajkumarnegi <rajkum...@gmail.com> wrote:

> sir, the govt gave the VRS option to the various deptts, including
> Banks, When the response from the banks was in a larg number , the
> management of the various banks realised their fault and started
> putting hurdles, 1'put the date of retirement age 55, 2.denied many
> applications . 3.gone back from 50% basic pension,,4.never realised
> the agony of the employees/ officers.5. why the large numbers of the
> employees / officers opted for the VRS.? Now IBA or the banks
> are not Ready to pay 50% f their last drawn salary.the medical
> benefits and other benefits.It is a curse on IBA and the Managements
> of the various banks, IBA,and the managments of the various banks
> donot realise the inflation in the country, and have grabed crores of
> Rs due to the pensions.
> 2.what is the scale of pension in other banks, I feel in state Bank Of
> india the 7th bipartite are pension etting basic pension upto Rs 4250/
> maximum but the the pension in other banks ae not known, please give
> in details, and the loss incurred by the SBI pensionrs of

[tvjkrishnan]

Dear Friends

Many a time our friends discussed about the benefits received by SBI pensioners.   Only in SBI and Allahabad Bank pension were paid right from the beginning.  I am a retired CM of SBI who took VRS - known as SBIVRS - in March 2001 after 34 1/2 years of service.  My pension as on date is Basic Rs. 4328/- with D.A.  Rs. 14200/-. (after commutation of Rs. 1442/-).   Comparing the pension received by my peers of other banks, my third benefit of PF vanished long back.   We were the only bank with two unions one for award staff and the other for supervising staff without any political interference. Because of this we have some gains and some losses also. Though there exists some other trade unions, there membership is miniscule. 

Even for retired staff there is only one Pensioners Association which is for all cadres.

As regards medical benefits:

There are 2 types - one mutual welfare scheme (MWS) and the other retired employees medical benefit scheme (REMBS).     Both are contributory in nature of course with a corpus fund from the bank.  The schemes are for pensioners and their spouse.

MWS: According to their choice members contributed Rs. 10/-, Rs. 20/- or Rs. 40/-.  According to their remittance,the benefits differ.   For those who contributed, they will get medical benefits of Rs. 60000/- during life time.   Again it is divided into 2 segments of Rs. 30000/-  First segment is reimbursement of medical bills of Rs. 2000/- per annum for 15 years.   Second segment of Rs. 30000/- is meant for hospitalisation - for any type of illness- either one time or more.  

REMBS:  Previously it was open to all retirees.   Now it is only for superannuated staff only - who completed 60 years of age on the date of retirement.    They have to contribute two months basic pension within 90 days of receiving 1st pension.  In my case it is Rs. 8500/-.   I am eligible for 200000/- for selected number of diseases numbering 17.  Hospitalisation is a must except for 1 or 2 diseases.   

This amount was enhanced to Rs. 700000/- with a contribution by member amounting to Rs.70000/- with a rider that those who were super annuated alone are eligible.

Only members who are regularly following this block knows the ordeals of SBI pensioners.   Let other members have not a feeling that we are getting everything.   The retirees of 7th bipartiate are worst affected and though they have won cases in 2 High Courts in 2008 and 2010, they could not get the benefits till date.  A case is also pending in Supreme Court.   Incidentally it is being heard today. 

In 2006, the working staff went on a strike for 6  days, which improved the pension benefits - but not to all.  

Our concern should be:

1.  50 % of Last Drawn Pay as Basic pension - to all

2.  D.A. - 100 % neutralisation

3.  Updation

Hope members will understand.  Let us all join together for a common cause.

Regards

Jayakrishnan T.V.

Chief Manager (Retd) - State Bank of India

---

From: Veeraswami <veera...@yahoo.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 5 July 2012 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension as third benefit for Bank employees/officers.

[C P V Nair]

Dear all,

At the very outset, we shall extend a hearty welcome to Shri TVJK, a SBI retiree.

Let us hope the BP of Shri TVJK (SBI) before commutation is Rs 5770.The DA for the same as per our rates is Rs 9804.There is a difference in DA amount of Rs.4396.So there is some difference in the DA pattern in SBI, it seems.

 

Let us study the pattern without alleging that 'SBI pensioners are getting everything'.We will all request retirees from SBI like Shri TVJK to join our efforts to improve the pension schemes of all the bank retirees and to solve the DA anomalies.

 

 

Warm regards,

 

 

CPVNAIR

--

[Prasad C N]

Dear Mr.Rao,

a. In State Bank of India, 3 benefits including Pension are in existence, even before birth of Unions/Associations.  Therefore, no Union/Association, including AIBEA/AIBOC can take the credit ;

b. From our Organisation, we had taken up matter with ABOA General Secretary, immediately after first judgment of KHC WP and I have personally met Mr.Nadaf, Convenor of UFBU, Director of SBI and General Secretary of AIBOC.  We requested him to take up the matter with SBI management with regard to KHC Division bench Judgment.  But, SBI has now advised SBM to file SLP ;

c. 7th BPS signed by Unions have a condition precedent, viz 'amendments to relevant provisions of Bank employees Pension Regulations'.  This clause is helping us to win cases and it was Joint Note which was signed well before signing of 7th BPS ;

d. 7th BPS 'Pay' anomaly is rectified in non-SBI Banks with effect from 1.5.2005.  But, AIBOC has not got that rectified in SBI.

e. In SBI, there is only one Retirees organisation.  What about in our/your Bannk ?

I hope above information is enough for you to change your opinion.

 

Thanks, a Million.

With regards,
Prasad C N

From: venkat rao <venka...@yahoo.co.in>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2012 7:50 PM

[rajkumarnegi]

On 7/5/12, R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> SBI pensioners never incurred any loss/ they are always far ahead of other
> Banks
> Balaji

> sir, I donot agree with you, State Bank of India was ahead in salary structure from 1955 on wards and was getting pension 50 LAST DRAWN Now I retired in 2001 as MMII under VRS and my basic pension is Rs4250/ + D.A. which is much less than you. Your Basic pension must be in between 6010 to 7500/ please give in details , how I being SBI retiree is getting more pension than other banks retirees ..Rajkumarnegi
please donot put one blame on sbi retirees , they are getting third
benefit, how, they are getting this benefit from the date of
implementation of pension in the state bank of india, if something or
the third benefit has not been given to other baank , I feel it is due
to the union leaders, and not the State Bank Of india. please give
your positive thoughts for the SBI retirees , who are more sufferers
than other bank retirees. thanks. Rajkumarnegi

[Veeraswami]

Mr Krishnan, your peers in other banks get around same amount as you as scale4

Veeraswami V

Sent from my iPad 

--

[Manikanddan Kv]

I agree with CPV.  Let us not say "SBI pensioners are getting everything"  They r not.  Even if they r let us be happy, they r also part of the pensioner fraternity.  If they r getting something more,  well some of our own brothers fr getting.  Let us not grudge.

Regards

Manikanddan  

--
God Be With Us

[tvjkrishnan]

Dear Sri Nair

Thanks for your reply.   My Basic pension is Rs. 4328-00  Less Commutation Rs. 1442-00       Basic pay after commutation Rs. 2886-00 D.A. Rs.11145-00 Total Rs. 14031-00 (as on June 2012).

Not only me but also my retired colleagues of SBI are always willing to join in the efforts for better facilities to all bank pensioners.

Regards

Jayakrishnan T.V.

---

From: C P V Nair <cpvnai...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 5 July 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: bankpensioner SBI Pensioners

[perumal maruthu]

Dear Sir,

The following reply was sent to Mr.Veerasamy.

Dear sir,

Kindly talk to any SBI Scale IV & above Officers retired before 1/11/2002. Their overflowing cup of sorrow is equally applicable to Scale III and down to the Sub-staff/Part-time employee.

Their Basic Pension is capped (whereas non-Sbi BP is without any cap linked to 50% of the eligible pay at the time of one's retirement).

The pre-1/11/2002 retired in SBI still are drawing their Bp based on 6th BPS (whereas 7th BPS benefit has been extended to non-Sbi). Pl calculate the loss on a/c of lower commutation.

Both SBI & non-Sbi pre-1/11/2002 retired pensioners are denied 100% DA.

 

 

I have, in my several Mails, stated that though SBI Pensioner said to recieve it as III benefit, the loss  for the pre-1/11/2002 in denying 6th BPS increase in Bp, outweighs Bank's PF in many cases.

Sir, I am of the view that for this incorrect view , the ordinary members of non-Sbi are not responsible. Only, the Leaders who glorified III benefit and instigated Lacs of Staff to reject Pension as II benefit in 1995, are to answer/clarify for the present pathetic condition of the pre-1/11/2002 retired SBIPensioners.

All those pensioners retired prior to 1/11/2002 are sailing in the same boat.

M.Perumal

Chennai

From: tvjkrishnan <tvjkr...@yahoo.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, 5 July 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: bankpensioner SBI Pensioners

Dear Friends

Many a time our friends discussed about the benefits received by SBI pensioners.   Only in SBI and Allahabad Bank pension were paid right from the beginning.  I am a retired CM of SBI who took VRS - known as SBIVRS - in March 2001 after 34 1/2 years of service.  My pension as on date is Basic Rs. 4328/- with D.A.  Rs. 14200/-. (after commutation of Rs. 1442/-).   Comparing the pension received by my peers of other banks, my third benefit of PF vanished long back.   We were the only bank with two unions one for award staff and the other for supervising staff without any political interference. Because of this we have some gains and some losses also. Though there exists some other trade unions, there membership is miniscule. 

Even for retired staff there is only one Pensioners Association which is for all cadres.

As regards medical benefits:

There are 2 types - one mutual welfare scheme (MWS) and the other retired employees medical benefit scheme (REMBS).     Both are contributory in nature of course with a corpus fund from the bank.  The schemes are for pensioners and their spouse.

MWS: According to their choice members contributed Rs. 10/-, Rs. 20/- or Rs. 40/-.  According to their remittance,the benefits differ.   For those who contributed, they will get medical benefits of Rs. 60000/- during life time.   Again it is divided into 2 segments of Rs. 30000/-  First segment is reimbursement of medical bills of Rs. 2000/- per annum for 15 years.   Second segment of Rs. 30000/- is meant for hospitalisation - for any type of illness- either one time or more.  

REMBS:  Previously it was open to all retirees.   Now it is only for superannuated staff only - who completed 60 years of age on the date of retirement.    They have to contribute two months basic pension within 90 days of receiving 1st pension.  In my case it is Rs. 8500/-.   I am eligible for 200000/- for selected number of diseases numbering 17.  Hospitalisation is a must except for 1 or 2 diseases.   

This amount was enhanced to Rs. 700000/- with a contribution by member amounting to Rs.70000/- with a rider that those who were super annuated alone are eligible.

Only members who are regularly following this block knows the ordeals of SBI pensioners.   Let other members have not a feeling that we are getting everything.   The retirees of 7th bipartiate are worst affected and though they have won cases in 2 High Courts in 2008 and 2010, they could not get the benefits till date.  A case is also pending in Supreme Court.   Incidentally it is being heard today. 

In 2006, the working staff went on a strike for 6  days, which improved the pension benefits - but not to all.  

Our concern should be:

1.  50 % of Last Drawn Pay as Basic pension - to all

2.  D.A. - 100 % neutralisation

3.  Updation

Hope members will understand.  Let us all join together for a common cause.

Regards

Jayakrishnan T.V.

Chief Manager (Retd) - State Bank of India

[rajkumarnegi]

__-- THE STATE BANK OF INDIAS CASE NO 184 of 2011 listed on
5th July, 2012


the case no 184 of 2011 filed in
supreme court by the state bank of india pensionrs federation, cameup
for hearing on the 5th july,2012. upon hearing counsel the court made
an order that the case be listed for final disposal on a non
miscellaneous day in the month of August, 2012 as advised by the sbi
pensioners association bombay. Rajkumarnegi

>>>Friends!I am very happy to inform U that under the auspices of AIBOC

[R Balaji]

Sir
Since you are getting one more benefit your pension amount is to some extent may be lesser but you were getting bank's contribution to pf paid to you and consider the return on the said amount if invested.
Don's think that SBI retirees are inferior to other Bank retirees.
Balaji

[Mohandas Rao]

Dear Friends,

 

For a basic pension of Rs.5,770/- present DA for retirees of that category is Rs.9,108/-. Gross Pension is Rs.14,078/- and net, after commutation is Rs.13,436/-. The pensioner says he is drawing a net pension of Rs.14,200/-. All the figures, including that provided by Sri Nair (Rs.9,804) are confusing as per the pattern of DA etc. followed by other banks.

 

Sri Perumal has recently written as under, which, perhaps explains the subject:

 

Kindly talk to any  SBI  Scale IV & above Officers retired before 1/11/2002. Their overflowing cup of sorrow is equally applicable to Scale III and down to the Sub-staff/Part-time employee.

Their Basic Pension is capped (whereas non-Sbi BP is without any cap linked to 50% of the eligible pay at the time of one's retirement).

 The pre-1/11/2002 retired in SBI still are drawing their based on 6th BPS (whereas 7th BPS benefit has been extended to non-Sbi). Pl calculate the loss on a/c of lower commutation.

Both SBI & non-Sbi pre-1/11/2002 retired pensioners are denied 100% DA.

 

 

K. MOHANDAS RAO, SBM-SVRS 2001.

[sudhir thanki]

Dear Jaykrishnan, Please remember for  concern

to VRS optee to whom 2nd option for pension is denied.

 

SPThanki(Exit optee)

 

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:41 PM, C P V Nair <cpvnai...@gmail.com> wrote:

[C P V Nair]

 

Dear all,

Let us thank Shri TVJK for his offer.Let us all welcome all the SBI pensioners into our forum.Let us all work together for the general welfare of the bank retiree fraternity.

 

Reg

[ravi jain]

 rajkumarnegi ji,

Plaese let us know that at time of retirement whether you got  PF (employee contribution ) or PF (employee+ Employer contribution).

Be happy

Ravi jain (PSB)

[C P V Nair]

Dear all,

 

Shri Mohandas Rao's mdg reiterates the point that there should be a common fight put up by both SBI and non SBI retirees in respect of DA issue.

 

Warm Reg

 

 

CPVNAIR

----- Original Message -----

From: Mohandas Rao

To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner SBI Pensioners

[venkat rao]

Dear Sri Prasad, Good morning,happy to recieve your reply.But you have sidetracked the issue by naming AIBOC only again  as if it is the only union that exists in UFBU and banking industry which is very unfortunate.Please contact rest of the unions who are fightiing in the name of comrades and who are eager to help you and help us in all matters that are affecting pensioners.Comrade sri Perumal will also be willing to join us in this noble cause.Let us forget the existance of AIBOC.Let us request the comrades who are in service and who are NONAIBOC to join us which will help them in the long run.I hope I have made my point clear.It is a long struggle and  let us make sacrifice which may not help us but will help future generation who will definitely REMEMBER us. Venkatrao.H SBM Mysore --- On Thu, 5/7/12, Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[ramanathan venkateswaran]

Dear Lajpat Rai

A thought provoking letter sir

R. Venkateswaran

SVRS retiree

Canara Bank.

[venkat rao]

Sri Jayakrishnan,T,V, Kindly give all the details of your retirement benefits like pension,PF Gratuity and commuation etc and the date of retirement.let  nonsbi comrade of your retirement period give the details of his retirement benefits.If you got less we will definitely fight for you  as we have great leaders and thinkers who think rationally and put the things in right perspective.My humble request is every pensioner should get justice irrespective of the union or the bank he represents Venkatrao.H SBM Mysore --- On Fri, 6/7/12, sudhir thanki <sptha...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: sudhir thanki <sptha...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: bankpensioner SBI Pensioners

[lajpat rai]

Mr Ramanathan Venkeswaran thanks for liking my letter. These points are out of my heart and facts out of my ,one working in association Nd personal experiences to deal with memebers and experiences of negotiations with the management. how difficult is to get a small benefit from the management is only know to the leaders. Who are also working under constraints of apathy of rank and file I.e. members .Members cannot face the management individually even for most genuine and personal matters and expect the leaders to bring star on earth from the sky. The sense of devotion to leaders calls, participation in demonstration is now a days the lowest level from the members. now members are in comfort zones Nd enjoying air conditioners in the branches and offices and never like to be on roads to give strong signal to the managements. so if the members have be come complacent so the leaders are getting results as the management also know strength and weaknesses of the leaders and members. members bow down before the management even for petty gains even if the colleagues is put to maximum loss. there is no sense of comradeship now a days among members of the unions. Every member is self centered and wants benefit for his own. In case you wish to share my esrlier letter with your friends pl do so. Lajpat rai thakral BACAIIBPGDM.,AMFI and IRDA Ex senior BR manager.,

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From: ramanathan venkateswaran <aarv...@gmail.com>;
To: <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>;

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension as third benefit for Bank employees/officers.

Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:25:20 PM

Dear Lajpat Rai A thought provoking letter sir R. Venkateswaran SVRS retiree

Canara Bank.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM, ravi jain <ravij...@gmail.com> wrote:

rajkumarnegi ji, Plaese let us know that at time of retirement whether you got  PF (employee contribution ) or PF (employee+ Employer contribution). Be happy Ravi jain (PSB)

On 6 July 2012 06:09, rajkumarnegi <rajkum...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/5/12, R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com> wrote: > SBI pensioners never incurred any loss/ they are always far ahead of other > Banks > Balaji > sir, I donot agree with you, State Bank of India was ahead in salary structure from 1955 on wards and was getting pension 50 LAST DRAWN  Now I retired in 2001 as MMII under VRS  and my basic pension is Rs4250/ + D.A. which is much less than you. Your Basic pension must be in between 6010 to 7500/ please give in details , how I being SBI retiree is getting more pension than other banks retirees ..Rajkumarnegi please donot put one blame on sbi retirees , they are getting third benefit, how, they are getting this benefit from the date of implementation of pension in the state bank of india, if something or the third benefit has not been given to other baank , I feel it is due to the union leaders, and not the State Bank Of india. please give your positive thoughts for the SBI retirees , who are more sufferers than other bank retirees. thanks.      Rajkumarnegi

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:15 AM, rajkumarnegi <rajkum...@gmail.com>

> wrote: > >> sir, the govt gave the VRS option to the various deptts, including >> Banks, When the response from the banks was in a larg number , the >> management of the various banks realised their fault and started >> putting hurdles, 1'put the date of retirement age 55, 2.denied many >> applications . 3.gone back from 50% basic pension,,4.never realised >> the agony of the employees/ officers.5. why the large numbers of the >> employees / officers opted for the VRS.?  Now IBA or the banks >> are not Ready to pay 50% f their last drawn salary.the medical >> benefits and other benefits.It is a curse on IBA and the Managements >> of the various banks, IBA,and the managments of the various banks >> donot realise the inflation in the country, and have grabed crores of >> Rs due to the pensions. >> 2.what is the scale of pension in other banks, I feel in state Bank Of >> india the 7th bipartite are pension etting basic pension upto Rs 4250/ >> maximum but the  the pension in other banks ae not known, please give

>> in details, and the loss incurred by the SBI pensionrs of 7th

>> bipartite retirees.   Rajkumarnegi Retired from State Bank of India >> (200!)   M.M.II   (VRS) >>

>> > Subject: Fw: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension

>> as >> > third benefit for Bank employees/officers. >> > >> > >> >

>> > ________________________________ >> > From: perumal maruthu <perumal...@yahoo.co.in>; >> > To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>;

>> > Subject: Re: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension >> as >> > third benefit for Bank employees/officers.

>> > Subject: bankpensioner Criticism of AIBOC for not achieving Pension as

>> third >> > benefit for Bank employees/officers. >> >

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[harinarayana sarma nandivada]

Sir,

I am N.Harinarayana Sarma, a Sr. Manager Retiree from Andhra Bank under SVRS-2001.  I have seen you letter sent through e-mail in response to the criticism of AIBOC.  In your mail, you were asking as to any one has taken up the grievances of pensioners with any of the Authorities concerned  in individual capacity.  That made me to respond.  For me as an individual, I have been representing to the Hon'ble PM, the then FM, RBI, IBA, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Law & Justice, NHRC etc., etc. for more than a year.  I even filed a PIL in the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India in the matter of pensioners problems.  I got acknowledgments from Ministry of Finance and letter of intimation from Ministry of Law & Justice retransmitting my representation to Dept. of Banking Affairs, MOF. Even NHRC forwarded my representation to MOF asking them to look into the matter.  But so far no response worth the name.  I sent e-mails also to PM's office.  The Hon'ble Supreme Court returned the PIL Petition to me stating that the contents of my PIL do not fall in the ambit of PIL.   I have also been following mails regularly on this blog and I observe some more retired colleagues taking up our issues with various authorities periodically.  While I agree with your view point that individual efforts also should be there to strengthen the efforts of leaders of unions, I feel the Unions also have an equal role to play to supplement the efforts of individuals.  I am sure, you will agree that all the  today's stalwart leaders are tomorrow's retirees and as such even in their own interest, they have an obligation to work for  the interests of all retirees irrespective of nature of affiliation or nature of retirement.

As an activist in this field, I request you too to  make use of your good offices  and past connections and try to impress upon all the present stalwards to spare some time and energy for focussing our issues too for the reasons mentioned above.  I too do not believe in casting aspersions on others but in doing collective work which only is likely to benefit us all in the future, if I am right.

I shall be glad to have any briefing on the efforts now in pipeline in regard to the retirees/pensioners.

Thanks & Regards,

N.Harinarayana Sarma

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From: lajpat rai <thukrall...@yahoo.co.in>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2012, 2:15

[velayudhan nair]

yes friends, we should have COLLECTIVE work for success.Simply writing in the blog would not suffice. We have to supplement it by appropriate actions.Think that our site itself is a forum -arrange local meets WITHOUT DISTURBING our association affinities,chalk out programmes/ actions.


Warm Reg


CPVNAIR

[Prasad C N]

Dear Mr.Rao,

I was at Chennai to attend AIBRF OBs meeting.  Hence, there is delay in responding to your mail.  My response to questions posed by you, is as under :

a.  AIBOC, not any other constituents of UFBU has formed an Apex Organisation and has split many organisations, in the process.  Please talk to leaders of ABROA - Mysore Unit, who would explain the designs ;

b.  'It does not require a paranoid mind to suspect that the Unions or Associations were not as receptive or assiduously loyal to the course of the older employees as they were of Officers or employees in harness'.  These are not my words.  But, these sentences extracted from Division Bench Judgement on Gratuity in respect of retired officers during 1993 - 94. This is applicable to only AIBOC, not to any other Organisations, who are helping  ;

c.  You find same  Union and Association exist in State Bank of India, Indian Overseas Bank, Bank of Baroda and erstwhile SBS.  'Other' organisations are not deciding service matter in these Banks.  Can you and me blame other Unions for discrimination between SBI and non-SBI Banks among these Banks.  Today, if you are receiving Pension, it is because of 'Other' organisation, not because of AIBOC.  If you were to go by their words, perhaps, you would have paid 156% of PF received by you to get Pension ;

d.  Certainly, other organisations are helping us.  I assume that you words are not satirical. 

 

Thanks, a Million.

With regards,
Prasad C N

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From: venkat rao <venka...@yahoo.co.in>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, 7 July 2012 7:38 AM

[Murthy Laxmi]

Dear members,

I regularly follow innumerable messages, views and so on..... Nothing is coming out in spite of our cry. 

In my opinion  State Bank/RBI employees  have always been benefited with various schemes both in terms of salary structure and other benefits.  Nothing is taken up for the rest of the banks and its employees.  In what way the SBI/RBI employees are superior. After all the banking services are almost same with other banks.  Why this discrimination? 

Further when so many retirees in various capacities from different Banks are representing thru this blog and non of the organizations care to provide any clarification OR respond to the mails. Why/ Why? Why?.......

In practice, in our country, the individual efforts may do not attract the attention of the leaders.   

Hence I request all the members thru this blog to bring pressure on our leaders/representatives of  various Organizations so that there could be some movement in our genuine demands.

A S Murthy  

[Keshav Saini]

dear shri prasad
,kindly apprise us the outcome of aibrf meeting at chennai which is attended by you .thanks.krsaini

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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:30:43 +0800
From: cn_pr...@yahoo.com

[Anjaneya sastry]

I completely concur with your observations.......TSR Anjaneya Sastry. Vijayawada.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM, PBS <pbsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

AIBOC is respoonsible for the problems of retirees since IT is a party along with Iba in signing discriminatorysettlements.Because of that hundred porcent Da neutralisation is not given to pre Nov 2002 retirees  and other benefits  Like improvement of family pensión,medical benefits and pensión updation..It has not made any sincere eflorts  to impress up on the Iba at least when favorable court judgements where Received.The retirees  were forced to run form  pillar to post seeking justice.Thus Aiboc did lot of injustice to its ex members  form   whom IT colected  subscription for years.How such an organización Now can claim to float another association to serve the retirees By creating rift among retirees and playing  into the hands of Iba once again.I request all retirees to judgement properly before joining or supporting an organisation.
Yours faithfully,
P B Sarma..

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[Srinivasa Murti Devulapalli]

Forming a new out fit for bank pensioners by AIBOC is certainly ill conceived. All along, AIBOC has been utilizing the platform at the apex level more for their own SBI affiliates' interests.  That was how, they played a negative role at the time of indoctrination of Pension Scheme to the Bank Employees. Had they been positive in line with the other constituents of UFBU, by now we would have got settled all most all the pending issues concerning the pensioners excepting updation.  That situation perhaps would have been congenial as of now for all of us to converge our collective energies be focused only on Upadation of Pension.  AIBOC was solely responsible for this damage and retardation  in progress.  No one can deny this factual position.  Having done this damage, AIBOC has no locus stand to project itself as the champions for pensioners' cause. It is belated realisation on its part.  Only to rehabilitate their retired leadership, they have formed this new out fit and nothing else.

Devulapalli Srinivasa Murti: Syndicate Bank : VRS:2000(Retd.Manager):Ramavarappadu PO):Vijayawada.  

--
D S MURTI

[Dr.dhananjaya Bhupathi]

Dear Sharmaji,

Good afternoon. Almost all the officers worked  hard day in and day out and were instrumental for the progress of our bank to this level. The bank, reportedly, made Rs.500 crores of profit and so on.

Whatever happened ---let the bygones be bygone.I agree with you total failure of not only AIBOC, but all the affiliates of UFBU.

Let us not regret on the spilled over milk-past. What is to be done? Let us do it..

1. All the affiliates of UFBU should prevail upon IBA and Govt. of India to arrange just a chair for AIBRF representative to sit across X BPS table. 

2.  All the affiliates of UFBU  are expected to work hard under the leadership of AIBOC to secure interests of we--the bank retirees.

3. By remitting monthly subscriptions and losing salaries in the name of strikes, we were confident of our future retirement benefits.  Due to lack vision and for the reasons best known to them, entire UFBU affiliates failed miserably. Now, atleast, they can undo it. 

4. Every affiliate should note that what is given us today [retirees], your future is secured on strong foundations.

5. By getting a chair for AIBRF, the UFBU affiliates are keeping their retirement benefits in the hands of "a committed super expert/fighter".

6. The past mistakes be rectified at least now.

7. better late than never.

regards,

Your sincerely,

 Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi, B.Sc.[Public Health], M.D.[Acupressure], MA.,LLB.,CAIIB., Syndicate Bank Pensioner,

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From: PBS <pbsa...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Re: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

AIBOC is respoonsible for the problems of retirees since IT is a party along with Iba in signing discriminatorysettlements.Because of that hundred porcent Da neutralisation is not given to pre Nov 2002 retirees  and other benefits  Like improvement of family pensión,medical benefits and pensión updation..It has not made any sincere eflorts  to impress up on the Iba at least when favorable court judgements where Received.The retirees  were forced to run form  pillar to post seeking justice.Thus Aiboc did lot of injustice to its ex members  form  whom IT colected  subscription for years.How such an organización Now can claim to float another association to serve the retirees By creating rift among retirees and playing  into the hands of Iba once again.I request all retirees to judgement properly before joining or supporting an organisation.
Yours faithfully,
P B Sarma..

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[Surya prakash Rao]

I fully agree with the opinion of Mr. D.S.Murthy. This is only a face saving exercise by the AIBOC leaders and retired leaders. N.Surya Prakash Rao - Syndicatebank VRS optee --- On Tue, 2/5/13, Srinivasa Murti Devulapalli <devulapa...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Srinivasa Murti Devulapalli <devulapa...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: bankpensioner Re: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

[LNG]

The people who want to start a new association can as well join the existing cadre less All India syndicate bank  retirees association which is already recognized by management, and are doing a good job and strengthen the existing association. They can contest the election if they are interested in holding official posts by doing good work. Starting yet another association, will lead to unhealthy division. Govindarajan Syndicate Bank retiree.

From: Srinivasa Murti Devulapalli

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:18 AM

To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: bankpensioner Re: Syndicate Bank Pensioners' and Retirees' Association affiliated to AIBOC.

[bhaskara sarma]

I fully agree with the views of D S MURTHI.AFTER ALL FLOATING ANOTHER UNION ONLY CREATES CONFUSION AMONG PENSIONERS AND DIVIDES THEM AND IT ONLY DELAYS THE ACHIEVEMENT OF GOALS.AFTER ALL THE PRESENT UNION MEMBERS ARE THEIR FORMER COLLEAGUES AND THEY CAN AS WELL PARTICIPATE IN THE SAME ASSOCIATION AND STRENGTHEN IT.MANY OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO FLOATED THE NEW ASSOCIATION ONCE CONDEMNED WHEN AIBOA WAS STARTED AND MOBILISED PROMOTEES OF AIBEA TO JOIN THE AIBOC SINCE IT IS THE RECOGNISED AND MAJORITY ASSOCIATION.HOW EDUCATED PEOPLE CAN CHANGE THEIR OPINIONS SO SWIFTLY AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE.

[Nagarajan S]

I have several times informed our members since 2010 that AIBOC IS WORKING HAND IN GOVE but for eye wash to the retires they said to be released some useless circular for convincing retirees. If they are really sincere to the retirees such problem like disruption in 2nd option to the retirees    5year weightage, misinterpretation of section 19(1) would not happen.Now SBT management is clearly released circular by quoting  section 19(1) very clear the their retirees.

[JSOMA SHEKARA]

During Sep 2011 AIBOC informed that it has sent two letters to IBA on the following issues.

1. Implementation of Madras HIgh Court judgment in respect of 50% Basic pension from date of retirement filed by BOB retirees.

2. 100% DA pre-2002 retirees.

Since then AIBOC has not informed whether IBA has acknowledged letters/what is the response of IBA and what further action was taken by AIBOC to solve the issue.

The above issues seems to be forgotten by AIBOC.

[Narendra Khutate]

DEAR SIR,

WHEN BANK IS EQUIPPED WITH HIGHLY SPECIALISED HRD STAFF WHICH IS HIGHLY PAID FOR SERVICE TO ITS EMPLOYEES/ EX EMPLOYEES, THEN WHY SUCH PROBLEMS ARISES? 

WHY NOT BANKS CLOSE THEIR HRD DEPTT WHICH MAKES SIMPLEST MATTER COMPLICATED AND PUT RETIREES TO THE MERCY OF JUDICIARY. ARE THEY NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY?

ITS THE TIME NOW FOR THE BANK MANAGEMENTS TO FIX RESPONSIBILITY ON ITS HRD DEPTT FOR SUCH  LAPSES AND LOSS TO  ITS RETIREES.

[L S RAMAN]

It is not a fault of individual Banks, but is a action against one section of pensioners for which IBA is responsible foe signing a discriminatory agreement, and harping on such an agreement as a defence in the various courts as if the questionable agreement is binding on one and all including the Courts of Law.
     Let us Thank the High court of Madras for delivering justice to the victimised section of the pensioners by rejecting the arguements  based on the unholy and biased agreement  violating of the basic principles of Constitution and Law of the Land
     .It would be appropriate to hold IBA accountable since since individual Banks simply obey the instructions of IBA.It is unfortunate that IBA is considering it self Superior and above the Law of the Land including the Constitution.Let us hope that IBA would apply it s attention to every word of the Madras High Court Judgement and the subsequent Supreme Court JUdgement on the same subject in favour of the Tamil Nadu Pensioners Association, to understand the Constitutional violations in the agreement and refrain from wasting their time and money in further appeals .