AIBRF Cir. on ORGANISATIONAL MATTERS

[PM]

Dear Friends,

AIBRF Circular Dt.5.3.2013 on Organisational Matters is reproduced hereunder for information:-

"Ref: 2013/288 Date:05.03.2013

Dear Sir 

                                        Re: Organisational Matters 

Retiree movement in banking industry is now getting momentum and bank 

retirees are today better organised to safeguard their interest. All India Bank 

Retirees Federation ( AIBRF ) has played crucial role in bringing the movement at 

this stage. Today it has emerged as the largest retiree organisation with 

membership of more than one lakh and has contributed significantly in ensuring 

many achievements for the retirees. Today we can draw satisfaction that more 

than 97percent of retirees are pensioners drawing guaranteed amount of 

pension every month and leading dignified life without any financial tension. 

However huge task and challenges are laying before us to meet the aspirations 

and expectations of the membership in view of the developments taking place in 

the industry as well in the organised sector and on the economic front. To ensure 

achievement of pending demands in the next wage settlement is only one task for 

which we have to work and shall continue to work for it. But in addition to this we 

have much bigger task and challenges before us to see that retiree movements 

grow on sustainable basis. AIBRF continues to be known as most creditable and 

reliable retiree organisation in the banking industry which work in the interest of 

common member. You may be aware that about 3 to 4 lakh employees would 

be migrating from employment cycle to the retirement in next 5 years and this 

number is almost equivalent to hundred percent of the existing number. AIBRF 

real challenge is to gear up its organisational set up to bring them in its fold ad 

meet their expectations in the changing dynamics. We are committed to 

handover the retiree movement to next generation of retirees on much stronger 

footing so the are not required to face the odds the present lot had to undergo. 2. Keeping above task in mind, we propose to take the following actions at the 

organisation level. 

 a) Accommodation /space for the organisational Level 

It is seen that organisational activities face serious constrain at various 

centres due to non-availability of accommodation / space to conduct 

organisational activities on regular basis and it is now becoming growing problem 

in view of increasing number of membership. At most of the places activities are 

run from residences of office-bearers. It is observed that availability We feel that 

the time has come for us to address this issue and find permanent solution to 

make AIBRF strong in the coming days. We find that in SBI the bank management 

has provided office space to SBI Pensioners Association at LHO level. Our affiliates 

should also put demand to allot suitable office space at the corporate office to 

conduct activities of the retirees. To provide the accommodation to the retiree 

organisations is also a trend in defence/government sector. We should also seek 

support of award staff/officer staff unions to help us in getting space from the 

management and also request them to allot some space in their office if possible 

in the intervening time. 

 b) Regular Collection of subscription-Check off facility 

At present, most of our affiliates collect subscription from primary members on 

one time basis as life membership fee while all expenses are on recurring basis 

with substantial increasing trend due to high inflation and need to develop logistic 

base, the interest earning on membership funds are becoming inadequate and 

hamper our activities adversely in serious manner unless we consider collecting 

monthly/periodical collection of subscription. We are of the view that the 

members will have hardly any objection in paying nominal monthly subscription 

say Rs. 20 per month out of their pension income for the organisational cause. 

But the real challenge is in collection of fund from the members who are located 

at different centres. Therefore according to us the answer of this issue is to demand CHECK OFF FACILITY from banks so that subscription can be deducted 

from the pension and remitted to the organisation on the lines of collection made 

by unions. Our affiliates should write to the management to provide check off 

facility to retirees and also raise this issue at the grievance cell meetings. We shall 

write to unions seeking their support in the matter. Similarly affiliates should also 

write to award staff/ officer staff unions of their bank with the request to 

persuade management to give the facility to retiree organisations. 

 c) Representation of Retirees 

Retirees have interest in certin schemes managed at the bank level like staff 

welfare scheme, management of pension funds, management of funds earmarked 

for health management of retirees etc. However retirees do not get any 

representation in management of these schemes despite the fact that retirees 

have organised themselves independently and their membership is increasing. 

The retirees should have say in managing these schemes and they should get 

adequate representation in these committees. We have no doubt that unions will 

support our this demand and help us in getting representation. We shall write to 

constituents of UFBU, IBA and Government in this regard. However our affiliates 

should start canvassing the idea with unions explaining the logic and seeking 

their support to avoid any confusion and misunderstanding on this count. The 

affiliates should also raise this issue in the meetings of grievance cell and register 

our demands and ascertain the management views. 

 d) Registration of Units 

Registration of all our all India affiliates under suitable act ( Trade Union Act / 

Societies Act ) is very much needed to react / to take up issues at certin forums 

and to strengthen the organisation. This eventuality though not anticipated by us 

may arise during the next wage settlement in case the IBA/Government fail to do 

justice with the retirees. We find that most our affiliates are registered bodies. 

However those are not registered yet should take immediate steps to complete it 

in next 2 months. We are taking steps to get AIBRF registered on top priority and 

get the formality completed in next 2 months.  e) Formation of State Units 

State units will play vital role in strengthening AIBRF at the organisation level in 

the coming years. We have at present state units in important states like 

Maharashtra, Gujarat, Kerala, Tamilnadu, Andhra Pradesh , West Bengal Odisha 

Karntaka Uttar Pradesh North East India Chattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh which are 

active and functioning well. We have to now cover remaining states in next one 

year. The office bearers/ Central Committee members located in the states where 

we do not have state units are requested to initiate action in this regard and 

submit their report. 

 You are requested to send your comments/ views on the above issues to take the 

forward. We know that resolution of issues may be time consuming. But if we 

want to strengthen the organisation on perennial basis we have to work on the 

and ensure on achieving them, 

With Regards 

 Yours fraternally, 

 ( S.C. JAIN ) 

 GENERAL SECRETARY"

[P.VIJAYARAGHAVAN]

Sir, already pensioners are paying subscriptions to Associations..unions of serving employees and to some retiree associations..unions...So we may initially request all desiring members to send Rs.100 fg  AIBRF. and start activities for the immediate benefits to be obtained through the current settlements..Please consider and advise....

Vijayara...@gmail.com

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[mohan p]

Dear Mr.Vijayaraghavan,

                                           As GS, pointed out,  at present most of the affiliates of AIBRF are collecting subscriptions from retirees  on one time basis as life membership.Also understand that even in the matter of  monthly subscriptions collected by affiliates  it comes around Rs.25  per month in general. May be  little more in some cases.                                          

                                        As such, hope that,  spending a sum of Rs.20 per month towards subscription to AIBRF  may not be  a burden to retirees.

[L S RAMAN]

Please circularise the the complete address with tel nos email i.d of the state  units of the federation fecilitating payment /collection of subscriptions .
Raman.L.S.

[Veeraswami V]

As a retiree I find our bank retirees have a good retiree association and we pay  Rs 240/- per annum as subscription. If they feel it is absolutely necessary they may raise to Rs 300/-  The idea of one time subscription of lump sum is not goos sine we may loss interest at some time.

We do not need big offices and no air conditioner. We need only a small room with a fan and a computer and printer. 

In the modern days no more printed circulars are issued and all are done through computers.

Since, most of the associations are backed by some organizations in UFBU I feel the serving union/ association can share the accommodation.

Further till such time the DA parity is settled, we can have two types of subscription one for Preet 2002 and separate higher amount for post 2002. This we do in serving organizations unions where we have different fees for officers, clerks and sub staff.

Veeraswami V

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[r.d. patel]

It is my opinion that ,As a retiree everybody is ready to pay the subscription decided by retiree association.

This is highly equired to run the association activity smoothly in the interest of retirees.

From: Veeraswami V <veera...@yahoo.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: bankpensioner AIBRF Cir. on ORGANISATIONAL MATTERS

[rajkumarnegi]

The association are run by the contributions made by the pensioners
and it is upto the leaders to have the control on the financial
matters. If the expenditure is within the rules made by the
association and also as social obligation then the associations can
run smoothly otherwise the more funds will be required for the
functioning of the association. The office bearers should travel in
the second / third A.C. in place of To travel by A I R . and the
numbers of visits and the office bearers visiting for the meetings and
other works should be minimum/ required once ,then the pensioners
interest will be safe and fully protected . I know one pensioners
association i.e. S.B.I Pensioners association Chandigarh circle always
travel by A I R and also in six to eight numbers. This is a misuse of
funds.nobody objects it as they never discuss the expenditure in their
weekly meetings . and their elections are also unopposed . . Sir I
have just given a example to safe guard the interest of the
pensioners in a better way , and My intention is not to hurt any one
but to run the association in better way. thanks.

Raj Kumar Negi

On 3/14/13, r.d. patel <rdpa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is my opinion that ,As a retiree everybody is ready to pay the
> subscription decided by retiree association.
>
> This is highly equired to run the association activity smoothly in the
> interest of retirees.
>
>

> ________________________________

[Mohan badi]

Dear Sirs,
AIBRF Body and to its other most respected Members..

Thank you very much and  I am very glad that something is moving now a days to help all kinds of pensioners and retirees too. Much of the grievances  being heard from all and many are finding some solution with the help of all these dedicated  unions' seasoned Leaders. Just to suggest you all instead monthly Rs.20/- why not to collect one time Rs.1000/- to Rs.2500/- so that its interest only shall give this New Body Rs.15-20/- per month. If I am wrong kindly excuse. Some may like and some may not. This is only my personal suggestion as I opined so.. Once a person retires and start getting pension let this new Body collect this one time amount, once for all. So that every month collection by many and its remittance becomes quite laborious task. Thanking you all. With Regards.

Prof.M.R.Badi, Bangalore.

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From: P.VIJAYARAGHAVAN <vijayara...@gmail.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2013 3:10 AM

Subject: Re: bankpensioner AIBRF Cir. on ORGANISATIONAL MATTERS

[Veeraswami V]

Sir
We are already paying monthly or yearly subscription to retire association in each bank. Some have collected lump sum too. Days of VRS is over when collecting one time fees would have given a huge amount. Now with a small number retiring every month the yearly subscription is best.

Further the individual bank retiree association should pay out of subscription collected, to AIBRF. For this purpose of the bank association feels, they can increase their yearly subscription.

Further, as unions /associations of serving employees collect levy at different rates, for officer, clerical and sub staff, the retiree association too should collect smaller amount to pre2002 retirees and more from post 2002 retirees

Veeraswami V
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On 17-Mar-2013, at 4:30 PM, murali thirumalai <mural...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Raghu Bhargava]

Hi All,

Let the pensioners make a deposit of Rs 2500 with the AIBRF and with intrest of this deposit let AIBRF run the expenses.

In the event of we getting Arrears of pension let this deposit  be donated to AIBRF and become the property of AIBRF which will serve as a permanent corpus.

However those of us who do not want this.let them send yearly subscription of Rs 250.I understand as retirees we still get free facility of remittance.

Thanks,

Raghuraj Bhargava

[manoj kumar majumdar]

AIBRF is a central organisation and it has affiliates in states. There are state level organisations also under the umbrella of central organisation, i e, AIBRF. Pensioners' organisations are there in every individual Banks who collect subscription from their members. Individual Bank level Retirees' organisation pay their levy to AIBRF. So, question of paying subscription by individual members to AIBRF does not arise.
Further, it is advisable to collect monthly subscription instead of one time payment. In case of the former system members are bound to keep contact and relation with their organisation. There will be regular activities and communications. But in case of the later system, members will forget after paying for one time and leaders will also be complacent and remain idle since they received the dues.
     : Manoj Kumar Majumdar, Retired (VRS) Sr. Manager, PNB, Calcutta.

[Veeraswami V]

dear sirs,

AIRBF should run on yearly payment from various state retiree associations. AIRBF is not an individual association, it should be the apex body of all retiree Aasns. As such why these collection appeal to all pensioners instead of collecting from state association. We individuals should never contribute directly to AIRBF. Please consult our own bank retiree association and strengthen their funds position. It is wrong on the AIRBF to ask or collect my amount as we members will not have any say in an all India body.

I once again appeal to all retirees to consult/ pay their individual associates, never , never pay directly to AIRBF, without routing to bank association.

It is wrong on the part of AIRBF to directly approach individual retires.

Regards

Veeraswami V

Sent from my iPad 

[perumal maruthu]

Dear Mr. Veeraswami,

I strongly condemn your mischievous,frivolous and scandalous message creating the false impression as if AIBRF has asked for contribution from individual members directly.

AIBRF's letter dt 5/3/13 on "Organisational Matters" is addressed to the Office Bearers/ Central Committee Members regarding the need for enhancement of the individual  subscription to Rs20/ per month. This is the suggestion of the Apex Body,AIBRF and the individual Affiliated units have to take the decision as per their Constituition/Bye-Laws. 

Nowhere in the Letter, direct contribution from the individual has been solicited. No one can be a direct subscriber/Member of AIBRF!

If you are against paying subscription/enhanced subscription, you may take up with the Retirees' Forum in your Bank in which you are a member.

I request the Moderator to VERIFY THE TRUTH before publishing such scandalous mails!

M.Perumal

Canara Bank Pensioner

(Affiliated to AICBRF/AIBRF)

Cc: Aicbrf

      AIBRF

 

From: Veeraswami V <veera...@yahoo.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: bankpensioner AIBRF Cir. on ORGANISATIONAL MATTERS

dear sirs,

AIRBF should run on yearly payment from various state retiree associations. AIRBF is not an individual association, it should be the apex body of all retiree Aasns. As such why these collection appeal to all pensioners instead of collecting from state association. We individuals should never contribute directly to AIRBF. Please consult our own bank retiree association and strengthen their funds position. It is wrong on the AIRBF to ask or collect my amount as we members will not have any say in an all India body.

I once again appeal to all retirees to consult/ pay their individual associates, never , never pay directly to AIRBF, without routing to bank association.

It is wrong on the part of AIRBF to directly approach individual retires.

Regards

Veeraswami V

Sent from my iPad 

On 18-Mar-2013, at 6:02 AM, Raghu Bhargava <raghub...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Let the pensioners make a deposit of Rs 2500 with the AIBRF and with intrest of this deposit let AIBRF run the expenses.

In the event of we getting Arrears of pension let this deposit  be donated to AIBRF and become the property of AIBRF which will serve as a permanent corpus.

However those of us who do not want this.let them send yearly subscription of Rs 250.I understand as retirees we still get free facility of remittance.

Thanks,

Raghuraj Bhargava

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Mohan badi <banking...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Sirs,
AIBRF Body and to its other most respected Members..

Thank you very much and  I am very glad that something is moving now a days to help all kinds of pensioners and retirees too. Much of the grievances  being heard from all and many are finding some solution with the help of all these dedicated  unions' seasoned Leaders. Just to suggest you all instead monthly Rs.20/- why not to collect one time Rs.1000/- to Rs.2500/- so that its interest only shall give this New Body Rs.15-20/- per month. If I am wrong kindly excuse. Some may like and some may not. This is only my personal suggestion as I opined so.. Once a person retires and start getting pension let this new Body collect this one time amount, once for all. So that every month collection by many and its remittance becomes quite laborious task. Thanking you all. With Regards.

Prof.M.R.Badi, Bangalore.

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[daulat munot]

Sir, It is nothing wrong on the part of A.I.R.B.F. for directly approach individual retirees for yearly or life membership.If any organisation is working and show performance then what is harm to pay the membership to this apex organisation.The time has come for all the retirees bankers to come under the banner of this apex organisation for better deal.Now, the time is for us to unite but not divide  on the name of individual banks retirees.No body will hear your voice if u not organised in one shape.In this democratic age result will take the organisation which is very strong and with huge numbers of its membership..we do not want to give regional shape to our demands.we all are ONE as Indian retired bankers even though we have retired from the bank whats the name it bears.We want direct approach to our apex organisation.Even today  major banks are looking forward for merger then why we r thinking to our conventional past.

Today voice is raising for labour parliament then what is the justification to draw back our steps and remain stagnant in this competitive age.

Dear Comrades,Our demands are not only important.it is more important how we can secure our present but also secure the future of next generation.One day they will also retire who are currently in working stream.Our approach must be broad and vision must be clear and effective.We don't abuse the leaders who represent working employee.They are also taking care of the retirees because they are well aware that one day they have also to retire.The outcome of second option pension is the conclusive evidence for this.THE NEED IS FOR BETTER STRATEGY AND TIME BOUNDED ACTION PLAN BY FRAMING BETTER COORDINATION WITH THEM. IF WE NOT ACTIVATED THIS TIME OUR PRESENT BANKING GENERATION WILL NEVER FORGIVE US. I totally disagree with Shri Veer Swami's views Because i belive in the concept of CHANGE.

THANKING YOU ALL..

Comradely yours,

D.R.MUNOT.

[Veeraswami V]

Dear mr Munot,

What i meant was the subscription should go through our bank association and not directly to aibrf. I am the who want to strengthen the organization which fights for retires. But pay it to your bank retiree associan who I turn will pay AIRBF according to number of members and other parameters set by AIRBF .

Regards

Veeraswami V

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[Veeraswami V]

Dear mr perumal

I do not know that you are the sole representative of retired officers in all matters.

I feel, as a retiree, I too enjoy the same rights and privileges like any other in this forum.

If you had gone through chain of letters on the subject, you may not use such arrogant words.." Like, mischievous, frivolous and scandalous' 

I see so many mails here about funds need of the apex body and various suggestion from members, like one time payment and monthly payment. No where it was mentioned increasing levy from state units.Where as there were so many here who suggested the same as me, I am surprised at your singling out and using all abusive languages. I such case, if you are so big and mighty in association, try to issue circulars clearly without ambiguity. Please read the circular and tell me, where it is mentioned as " addressed to OfficeBearers/ Central Commitee Members".

The circular and some of the subsequent mails,give a wrong impression, which I too believed, that members have to pay to AIRBF. There even mails suggesting paying lump sum and depositing in FD.

I am the one who suggested increase in yearly subscription to bank associations. Your 

statement is contrary to the truth.

I am also like so many gentlemen and ladies here retired after nearly 35 years of service with bank, I too know certain things about association and unions, may be not as much as you, but to some extent.,

I am surprised, how Moderator allows, such letters written by people who does not understand the feeling of members and use such indecent words, in a forum, which mostly contain senior citizens.

Veeraswami V

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[Mohandas Rao]

Dear Friends,

The AIBRF circular No.2013/05.03.2013 as appeared in its site in Organisational Matters is reproduced hereunder for ready reference.  It was addressed to and meant for the Office Bearers/Central Committee Members of AIRBF.  In other words, it was not addressed to bank pensioners, who are the members of retired unions of respective banks.  As already discussed, no individual pensioner can become a direct member of AIBRF.

K. MOHANDAS RAO, SBM - VR 2001

[perumal maruthu]

"It is wrong on the part of AIRBF to directly approach individual retirees".....this is from your mail dt 18th.

Pl read the Letter in http://www.aibrf.com/

(the first few lines of the Letter are reproduced for ready reference)

Ref: 2013/288

Date:05.03.2013

The Office Bearers/Central Committee Members

A.I.B.R.F

Dear Sir

Re: Organisational Matters

Retiree movement in banking industry is now gettin

g momentum and bank

retirees are today better organised to safeguard th

eir interest. ) cont'd.

 

As I deem it beneath my dignity to reply each and every false and distorted view, I leave it to the Judgment of the Honourable Readers!

M.Perumal

[daulat munot]

ADDRESS TO THE ALL OFFICE BEARERS OF A.I.B.R.F

Dear Comrades,

We shall be glad if you mention specifically to whom these are addressed so not any kind of misunderstanding create in any of the retirees bankers.It is also requested to take specific care during any communication so feeling of any member can not hurt.If any one is not agree with others views that he can mention his views in diligence and convincing style.We all are human beings.Each of us can commit mistake.No body is complete in this world. Please don't take these at heart.We are not only retirees but also senior citizens and matured persons.Now let we step forward to make our organisation  strong and successful to achieve the desired  targets of all the retired bankers as well as the future of our present banking generation. This should be done by establishing effective coordination with the Associations of the employees bankers.Whether A.I.B.R.F. is duly registered and recognised by the ministry of Labour / Ministry of Finance and banking operation( i.e from the one where it deems necessary.) If it's done then o.k. and if not then  first of all to recognize it first as top most priority.

Comradely Yours,

D.R.MUNOT.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Veeraswami V <veera...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[SIKANDER GULATI]

Dear friends,
Good evening. As in the past,  I have been requesting on this blog to all of my retiree colleagues  to lay their attention on real issues concerning the bank pensioners. Majority of us senior citizens and  should keep patience as well.  At the same time, I would like to acknowledge the good work being done by AIBRF, Mr. Prasad,Mr. Perumal, Mohan ji and some others.
 I would request all  to use restraint in their  briefings/replies/clarifications etc. Now it is testing time for us.  10BPS is in the pipeline. If no up-dation this time, do not expect in future as well and we will be away from the  scene.  So, put your energies towards the achievement of objectives i.e. up-dation.


Regards.

Sincerely yours,


S.L.Gulati
Adv. & Tax Consultant

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From: Veeraswami V <veera...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: bankpensioner AIBRF Cir. on ORGANISATIONAL MATTERS

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[PSN Moorthy]

Dear all,

I  agree with Mr. Veeraswamy in this regard, though he is not known to me personally.

Even if Mr. Veeraswamy is wrong, it can very well be pointed out more decently,

giving due respect to others feelings.  Nobody should try to be Boss here and use such words. One should remember

always that most of the members in this group are  senior citizens and wordings should reflect that.

I feel moderator should block such letters with harsh words.

With regards to all including Mr Perumal and Mr. Veeraswamy,

P.S.N.Moorthy

Manager, Vijaya Bank ( Retd on Superannuation )

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[Chandrashekar Belsare]

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