Writting to ones own bank for grievance reddressal , is suggested - all the anomalies can be included - let us write to CMD too - KLRao

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KLRao Gurgaon

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May 10, 2020, 7:29:08 AM5/10/20
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Most of us write to FM , PM, IBA, etc 
Very few night have written to ones own bank .
Hence I suggest to write to CMD and grievance reddressal officer including all the anomalies 
Pension updation 
Family pension hike 
Pension to be paid from date ov retirement , but it was not done for some of the pensioners 
Extra payment / collection by the bank , whilecreturning PF amount 
100;% DA neutralization 
Etc 
Let us not delay writting 
E mail and letter once postal dept resumes duty 
Thanks
KLRao

Rajender Sharma

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May 12, 2020, 12:14:59 AM5/12/20
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Respected Shri Rao,
We do appreciate your sincere efforts in resolving the issues of bank pensioners.
But, you know the United Forum and the IBA/government are least interested in taking up these
issues, what to speak of their resolution.Under the given situation, bank pensioners are an ignored and
deprived lot. Just passing the buck is the game being played. Since the whole process is woven around
the bipartite talks, where bank pensioners have no say, who would speak for them?
Hence .either the system of BPS be changed or the retirees'organisations are recognised as the third party in the negotiation process. 
The lesser is spoken about the government or IBA, the better. 

R.K.Sharma

KLRao Gurgaon

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May 12, 2020, 6:19:34 AM5/12/20
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Sharmaji
Ombudsman exclusively for safeguarding 
Pension fund in Banks 
And safeguarding the interests of bank retirees and pensioners to be appointed 
Preferably 
Retired judge from high courts or supreme court 
Is the solution 
I am trying for it. 
Thanks  
KLRao 
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NSS

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May 13, 2020, 12:07:07 AM5/13/20
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Mr.Rao
Ombudsman is appointed to resolve complaints of deficiency in service. Ombudsman cannot safeguard the pension funds. We have to demand stringent rules of investments, detailed audit and publication of Audit Reports.

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N.Sankarasubramanian

KLRao Gurgaon

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May 13, 2020, 6:26:43 AM5/13/20
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I know the ombudsman who is there already to safeguard the interests of the customers of the banks  
What I am proposing is a different ombudsman exclusively forbade guarding the pension fund and safeguarding the interests of bank retirees bank pensioners and bank family pensioners . 
( IT IS IN VOGUE IN UK SINCE LONG TIME ) 
EVEN IF ITBIS NOTBTHERE ANY OTHER COUNTRY ALSO WE CAN SUGGEST WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE SUFFERERS FOR DECADES IN THE ABSENCE OF PROPER GRIEVANCE REDDRESSAL MECHANISM. 

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mamillapalli venkateswarlu

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May 13, 2020, 6:26:43 AM5/13/20
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Dear Sankara Subramanian garu,
 It is informed that Ombudsman's powers are confined to complaints by Bank Customers only 
 and not extended to staff grievances. Is it correct ?

                                               -M.Venkateswarlu 

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harinarayana sarma nandivada

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May 14, 2020, 12:06:53 AM5/14/20
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The right way to put it is "The Role of Banking Ombudsman is to look into and resolve the Grievances of Banks' Customers with regard to deficiency of service in/by Banks.


Pravin V

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May 14, 2020, 12:06:53 AM5/14/20
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There is no need of ombudsman for protecting pension fund as Payment of pension is statutory responsibility of Employer irrespective of availability of balance in pension fund. Pension liability is provided every year by employer BEFORE arriving at net profit. In other words irrespective of profit. Pension fund is a book entry created by employer for accounting purpose and employer has no lien over it in any manner except to manage it as per pension rules. Employees’ interest is statutorily protected irrespective presence of their representatives on fund. irrespective of poor performance and/or merger no PS Bank has ever disowned the statutory liability of payment of pension so far
This is my personal opinion
Pravin Vaidya
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KLRao Gurgaon

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May 14, 2020, 12:06:53 AM5/14/20
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Venkateswara Rao garu 
I am talking a different ombudsman 
The existing one is for customers service 
The one proposed by me is for  pension service. 
Hope now you understand my point. 
With best wishes.
VIZAG KLRaofrom Gurgaon 
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mamillapalli venkateswarlu

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May 14, 2020, 12:06:53 AM5/14/20
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Dear C N Prasad garu,

You know very much about when the
previous BPS/joint notes signed, who are answerable for anomolies, when Ch.Venkatachalam became officer, since which date he was heading AIBEA, how Ch.Venkatachalam is not responsible for pension fixing at 1616 points, Ch.Venkatachalam is nowhere in the scene when 'updation' was dropped from 1995 Pension Regulations were drafted etc.
Okay Sir. We agree .
Was he not in AIBEA when 8th BPS signed agreeing for continuation of different tapering DA formula instead of 100% DA neutralization?
When his own own house, Bank pensioners, is burning with tapering DA, he is agitating about future uncertain raise of DA to Central Govt. employees.
What a great leader he was!
Will you please use your good offices to influence him to be stubborn on full DA for pre 2002 retirees.
M.Venkateswarlu


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KLRao Gurgaon

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May 14, 2020, 6:19:45 AM5/14/20
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Dear Mr Pravin ji

To ensure to safeguard the interest of pensioners and family pensioners  from anomalies in payment 
I propose for appointing ombudsman. For a few decades  the anomalies have not been removed. 5 lac retirees have been struggling court cases are pending  court verdicts not properly implemented by all the banks . 
Best wishes  

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natarajan pv

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May 14, 2020, 6:19:46 AM5/14/20
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Simple point.

AIBEA signed the record note in 2015 agreeing / accepting That retirees hve no contractual relationship with the bk.

When UFBU doesn't represent retirees ( retirees r not members) , how can they sign so ?

Ok. Signed.

There is a mention about 100% DA. 

On humanitarian consideration

What follow up was done by UFBU ?

What is the stand of IBA now?



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saradindu basu

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May 14, 2020, 6:19:46 AM5/14/20
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Was  AIBEA  only party which signed agreeing for continuation of different tapering DA formula instead of 100% DA neutralization? AIBEA has become  a whipping boy for many. I painfully recall the systematic propaganda ushered in by forces opposed to AIBEA when Pension Agreement was being implemented in post-1995. Consequently, UFBU had to do many compromises to obtain 2nd option for pension.


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Prasad C N

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May 14, 2020, 6:19:46 AM5/14/20
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Dear Sir,

I fully agree with you that every one who is a part of Bank Trade Union movement are responsible.  But, why are we targeting one individual as if all others are saints.  We never talk about those who have not only responsible, but also signed on dotted lines.  Many of them are even leaders of Bank Retirees' movement, today. It is unfortunate that those who were directly responsible are insulated by any criticism,  why ?

I have circulated Circular of 2009.  That Circular bares intention of many leaders and organisations.  But, we maintain silence.  Why ?  It is because AIBEA and Shri C H Venkatachalam are parties to the same.

Regarding DR formula for those who retired before 1.11.2002, the beneficiaries are mainly senior officers.  Who should have ensured extension of this benefit ?  Is it a leader of workmen Union or leaders of Officers' Association ?  Can we give credit of resolving Part time employees' issue to Officers' Association  and blame Workmen Unions for problems relating to 100% DA ?  While I am not defending anyone, my only humble request is that please do not target any one Individual or organisation.  If a Settlement is signed by UFBU, entire UFBU should be responsible.  Most of those who are commenting here were not workmen at the time of retirement.

Perhaps, being a part of Bank retiree movement, I have opportunities to meet many leaders and have opportunity to rub shoulders with leaders.  Information and knowledge, I have acquired is the basis for my comments.  Many things, I cannot write.  But, I would like to summarise that Bank Retirees feel that for all our problems, only Mr.C H Venkatachalam is responsible and all OTHER ASSOCIATIONS AND UNIONS are responsible for securing benefits ?  Is it correct ?

Please ponder over . 

Thanks, a Million. 

With regards,
Prasad C N


JSOMA SHEKARA

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May 14, 2020, 11:45:26 PM5/14/20
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Yes it is not proper to target one individual or AIBEA only. All constituents of UFBU are equally responsible. Letter written by Petitioners could have been in the form of representation.
But still one cannot understand when AIBEA advising govt that DA is sanctioned as compensation after price rise why the same principle was not applied Pre-2002 Pensioners and anomaly was not set right since 2005.
And AIBEA is upset because different banks are adopting different rules in compensating employees during COVIS 19.
But who will ask IBA or banks to implement SC order dated 13.02.2018 uniformly by all Banks.

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mamillapalli venkateswarlu

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May 15, 2020, 6:30:35 AM5/15/20
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Dear Saradindu Basu garu,

          You opined that AIBEA  alone is not responsible for  continuation of tapering 
           DA formula.  But AIBEA  is the only dominant Union, had a final say, for clauses
           in BPS/Joint Note. This , every one knows. Though not solely responsible, it has
           joint responsibility for clauses detrimental to the interests of employees, like
           A) Continuation of Tapering DA,  B) Special Allowance not eligible for computation 
           of pension.
           It cannot absolve for all these damaging clauses.
           You said that so many sacrifices were made for getting 2nd pension option.
            What are they ?
            Why BPS talks & proceedings are not transparent ?
            While there were no efforts by AIBEA to set right things about tapering DA since 2005,
            How Ch.Venkatachalam agitate regarding seizure of future raise of DA to Central Govt. employees?
            Probably he  want to become leader for Central Govt. employees unions too.
            Is he indispensable for AIBEA ? 
            One request for supporters of AIBEA & Ch.Venkatachalam., 
            Let them prevail upon AIBEA & Ch.Venkatachalam,
            to be stubborn of removal of tapering DA & ensure full DA to pre 2002 retirees .
            Very shortly, we know how sincere AIBEA/Ch.Vekatachalam will be  in removing anomalies. 

               -M.Venkateswarlu
           
   
                  
            

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Narayanan Kasthurirengan

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May 15, 2020, 6:30:35 AM5/15/20
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dear comrades,
l confirm that i retired as Clerk and still i express my views without any prejudice.  i was a frontline leader of SYNDICATE BANK EMPLOYEES UNION (AIBEA)for more than 15 years and came out of the union voluntarily.  I fought a bitter and long drawn struggle against  the recognised officers assn and hence I had full exposure to the banking trade unionism.  We cannot forget the campaign we were making  from 1980s that we(AIBEA) decide the settlement and others simply sign on dotted lines.  Hence AIBEA has the primary responsibility.  There is no use finding fault with others.  When we lead a team to disaster, we cannot expect others to share the responsibility for it.  Is it not a fact that after the take over of leadership by Com CHV
(1) 1612-1684 DA settlement signed by AIBEA Itself was declared to be legally untenable by COM CHV 
(2) Exclusion of SPL ALL ( a major portion of last BPS benefit) for pension is now declared by same COM CHV to be totally  unreasonable.
(3) Prior to COM CHV take over, insurance sector was almost following our pattern of wage revision.  Now can COM CHV say this with conviction.
(4) All these days whenever they failed to achieve a reasonable settlement, they use to talk about GROUND REALITIES and paying capacity.  Ok agreed.  But then how do you expect the central govt to pay additional DA IGNORING GROUND REALITIES.  I am not justifying what GOI has done.  But I certainly look forward to Com CHV maintaining atleast a semblance of equity and justice.
Is it alright if some one ignores his own family suffering extremely but raises his voice for a small hitch elsewhere.  CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME BUT THEN RESPONSIBILITY ALSO. 
(5) After signing last BPS What prompted Com CHV to highlight that if you don't make additional commutation your pension will not get reduced-could it be because of his dedication to bank employees welfare!!
 People can talk only about what is visible and that is COM CHV.  Let him declare that he is only a part of a team and never leads in finalizing the destiny of bank employees then there may not be any concentrated attack in him.
One cannot aspire for
I DECIDE YOU SHARE RESPONSIBILITY 
KNarayanan







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Satyanarayana Rao

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May 15, 2020, 6:30:35 AM5/15/20
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Shri. Somasekhara ji.The unions were agnst the introduction of VRS scheme in banking industry .opposing vrs the unions gave strike call and also advised the members not to opt for VRS in 2001. Against the unions advise the members opted for vrs
and left the service. This is hidden reason for UFBU to ingnore pre 2001 vrs retirees issues including 100%DA.Regarding  non interference in  favorable court judgements  it is not the policy of recognized unions to support the petitioners as the unions believe in negotiating the issues and find solutions to the grievances of the members. As the retirees have succeeded in getting justice and the banks have failed to correctly implement the court orders in payment of commutation arrears as per Supreme court order inspite of Supreme court order in contempt petition proceedings against SBI we are once againotn knocking the doors of  Supreme court. As the retirees issues are pursued through courts and we the pre 2001 vrs retirees didn't obey union directions at that time the UFBU has totally written off the  VRS retirees issues. These are bare factts but no UFBU leaders have expressed in writing but went on signing settlements totally ignoring pension updation and other issues. We have to eaither blame ourselves for taking vrs in 2001 or forget 
to expect any support from UFBU  for justice etc. By targeting any individual or any organisation we will not get our issues resolved. On the other hand  we will loose the sympathy of the leaders and they continue to ignore us for ever.There fore we should be gentle and appeal the entire UFBU leadership to resolve our issues  like pension updation etc.The stick policy will not work. We have to carry on carnot policy only.

saradindu basu

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May 16, 2020, 12:39:59 AM5/16/20
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I stand by my opinion that AIBEA alone is not responsible whatever could not be achieved by our commune. It may be dominant union, but  the mantra of UFBU is all signatories sit around table and discuss intricacies with an aim to arrive at consensus. You also know it. Yes, AIBEA has joint responsibility for all the desired matters which could not be achieved yet. As regards sacrifices,High-voltage 2nd option for pension was achieved much after denial of pension to govt. employees. I never talked of "sacrifice"-- please re-read my comment again and again. But, I talked of "compromises". Had we opted for pension option at the first go, in my opinion, pension updation, improvement of family pension /unfortunate pre-1986 and pension to CRS/resignees would have come long ago.

AIBEA/CHV are whipping boy for many and will continue to remain so.

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Rajender Sharma

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May 16, 2020, 12:40:00 AM5/16/20
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Sir,
I do agree with your views.
It is not AIBEA alone which has signed the bipartite settlements. If something wrong
was being done, what the other constituents of the United Forum were doing? Have they registered their disagreement or protest anywhere?
All are in league with one another.

R.K.Sharma


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JSOMA SHEKARA

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In other words you are telling that they are taking revenge against pre-2002 pensioners. Union leaders doing same mistake again and again. They have to understand that VRS, Mergers are policies of Central govt which Banks have to follow. Unions should not be under false notion hat they can stop everything. Instead of opposing VRS, Unions should have accepted inevitability and  could have negotiated for better terns and conditions of VRS,  VRS is the big decision in the life of an officer or employee. Bank employees know very well that they are not like software employees who can find alternative employment within few days resigning from job. Once we leave job we will not again get such job opportunities. Still large number of employees have taken VRS because of family situations, work environment stress, health and finance problems. Such decisions are taken by employees themselves and Unions cannot force them. Instead Unions could have in 1995 properly guided employees in deciding giving options for pension or PF. But what benefit
those accepted unon advice and continued in service got? No Pension on special allowance and no updation. X BPS pensioners also have gone to court. Take revenge on them also.


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JSOMA SHEKARA

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May 16, 2020, 12:46:55 AM5/16/20
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In the present critical situation where workers are losing jobs, facing salary cuts in most of the industries it is impossible for UFBU to expect anything more than already agreed by IBA. Even SC has stayed Govt orders forcing employers to pay salaries during lock down.
In normal times UFBU failed to achieve anything for retirees.  Now it is out of question.
We have to seek remedy through judiciary only.

Dilip Deshpande

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May 16, 2020, 8:50:17 AM5/16/20
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Respected Sharma Sir, Cart is driven by bullocks & not by Dogs walking beneath the cart. AIBEA is Bullock pulling the cart & other members of UFBU are  like Dogs just walking beneath the cart. It may not be prudent to believe that cart is also driven by Dogs walking beneath the Cart.

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Mani B

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May 16, 2020, 8:50:17 AM5/16/20
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At that point of time (before becoming GS of AIBEA ) CHV was GS of Fed of CBI Emp Unions' and a central committee member of AIBEA. So he must be knowing all the in and outs of developments of all BPS before and after EPS 1993 and EPR 1995. He can't say he did not knew the adverse developments caused by the vested interest "leaders" in UFBU, particularly AIBOC (SBI) and NCBE (SBI) who scuttled the EPS 1993 from being adopted by non SBI cadets in 1994.  

Bala

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Vvns Varaprasadrao

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May 17, 2020, 1:01:03 AM5/17/20
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It is not decent to compare the other members of UFBU as dogs.
You can think like this : May be the so called dogs protecting the smooth travel of Bullock cart.

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Raju S

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May 17, 2020, 1:01:03 AM5/17/20
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Yes. The bullocks here is the IBA representing the managements and the dogs are the unions including AIBEA.

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Dilip Deshpande

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May 18, 2020, 12:02:43 AM5/18/20
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Yes. Dogs just walk beneath Bullock Cart, but think that the cart is driven by them. In fact UFBU is not necessary for Revision of Pay scale. Pay Commission can do the job effectively. Both IBA & UFBU are required to be kept aside of the job of Wage Revision. 

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harinarayana sarma nandivada

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May 18, 2020, 12:02:43 AM5/18/20
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I agree with the view expressed by Sri VVNS Vara Prasad.  Let us not indulge in using rude and hurting language.  It does not speak well of us  at least keeping our age in view.

N.Harinarayana Sarma 

Bhag Chand Jain

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May 18, 2020, 6:34:49 AM5/18/20
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A letter should be drafted for each banks grevences and it should be signed by all retires of the particular bank. I think so 

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