CRUCIAL DAYS AHEAD FOR RETIREES

[PM]

Dear Friends,

                                   As per the latest developments reported by General secretary All India Bank Retirees Federation(AIBRF), United Forum of Bank Unions(UFBU) have decided to sign the 10th Bi partite Settlement on 22nd May 2015.

QUOTE:

AIBRF.

"As you are aware that the undersigned(GS.of AIBRF) and the President Shri S.M. Deshpande  are camping at Delhi for last two days to accelerate our last minutes efforts to achieve our demands in the ensuing settlement. We had to take decision to make accelerated level of efforts in view of the recent development that UFBU has decided to sign final settlement  on 22.05.015 without waiting for crystallising and finalisation of retirees’ demands though in the past it was repeatedly promised by UFBU that the settlement would not be signed by them unless retirees’ issues are addressed satisfactorily. On our approaching union leaders in last 2 days for postponing singing of settlement for a few days and make efforts to  carry out study on retiree issues and thereafter crystallise them, they are not agreeable on it.

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 In view of these developments of last few days and UFBU taking decision to sign settlement on 22.05.2015 ignoring retiree issues completely, the environment has become tough and hostile for us.

 But Comrades we assure all of you that in next 10 days we shall take all possible steps including very strong organisational action to achieve our demands with or without support of UFBU . We call upon our membership to be in readiness to respond our calls without getting influenced by outsiders.

 We are in the process of submitting  memorandum to the Convenor of UFBU and all constituents of UFBU with one more appeal to first settle retiree issues and then sign the settlement. We hope they will respond positively to it.

 We shall give our next organisational call tomorrow 14.05.2015. Kindly be in readiness to respond."

            

[giris...@yahoo.co.in]

Thanks PM for the nice and soothing words trying to pacify the retirees. But the fact remains that no government cares for retirees. To be very clear and specific no body shall ever bother unless we show our muscle power. 

During the entire process of negotiations the media coverage was either not there or it was as good as nothing. 

We shall have to rethink our strategy. Even high court judgement over DA issue remains un implemented. 

Gid bless the leadership. 

Girish

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[PM]

Dear Friends,

                         General Secretary Mr S.c.Jain, All India Bank Retirees Federation wrote to Convenor,UFBU on latest developments regarding retirees issues and need to take  up the issues for resolution vide Ref:  2015/040  on 12.5.15.

The copy of letter is furnished here under for information of all which is self explanatory:

 

 M.V.Murli
Convenor, United Forum of Bank Unions
Hyderabad

Dear Sir

Re; 10th Bipartite Settlement

We have come to know that unions are now in readiness to sign the 10th Bipartite Settlement on 22rd May 2015 to meet the deadline fixed in the MOU signed in this regard earlier. We further learn that UFBU is signing the settlement without addressing any of the major demands of past retirees like uniform DA to all, pension updation, improvement in family pension etc.

2. If it is true, we are shocked and hugely disappointed and in fact even if we put in the mildest word we feel BETRAYED. In this regard we would like to draw your kind attention that it was conscious and well deliberated decision of UFBU and all its constituents to include demands of past retirees in their charter of demands submitted to IBA for the current settlement and thereafter unions decided to handle them exclusively and directly with IBA and the government and not considered necessary to involve apex level retiree organisations directly or indirectly in the process of negotiation with IBA. Further , Senior union leaders of UFBU on various occasions and platform given repeated assurances to thousands of past retirees that retiree demands will be taken on priority, treated at par with the demands of employees and the settlement will not be signed this time till past retiree demands are sanctioned by IBA. This is undisputable record. As you are aware, Lakhs of past retirees took the assurance seriously and started nurturing the hope that this time issues of past retirees will be resolved with the support of UFBU. We have no hesitation in accepting that at AIBRF we further contributed in cementing and strengthening hopes of lakhs of retirees believing strongly on these assurances.

3.But today we find that as soon as the understanding was arrived on employees demands, UFBU and its constituents have conveniently dumped past retirees’ demands without any solution. The news filtering and coming to us indicate that the issues of past retirees were not examined in detail, discussed with seriousness in last two and half years and now we are being informed that no sufficient time is available for carry out cost study on retiree issues because deadline for signing the settlement is approaching very fast. They will at best be taken up in future.

4. We also feel highly hurt to find that UFBU has not even considered it necessary to inform us about signing of settlement without meeting past retiree demands. Further at no stage UFBU leadership had considered necessary to share about the periodical developments, data/ information and their strategy to achieve demands of past retirees with us and maintained total non -transparency. At best some information filtered to us on one sided enquiries from our side. We can also blame ourselves for showing too much dependence on the support of UFBU and its constituents which is proving to be costly for us. We had approached to you several times in past two and half years with the request to hold periodical meetings between UFBU and retiree representatives for better coordination and to understand the limitation of UFBU if any in achieving demands of past retiree saving us from last minute shock.

5. We would like to draw your attention on the fact that each and every past retiree was loyal and disciplined soldier of one constituent or another of UFBU one time or another. It cannot be denied that these past retirees of present have contributed in building concept of UFBU, bipartite mechanism and union set up in the banking industry. Therefore, in all fairness past retirees and their aspiration deserve better treatment than the present feudal lord approach. We request you to see the models adopted by Unions in government sector and RBI showing more magnanimity and accommodative approach towards past retirees. Because of this today pension of past retirees in these sectors are periodically updated and improved. You must have seen that in RBI unions and retiree organisations fight for demands of past retirees shoulder to shoulder. There is need to replicate this model in the banking industry for better culture and bondage. You will agree that retirement is a process and not the punishment. Today’ employee is tomorrow’s retiree and today’s retiree is tomorrow’s past retiree. Therefore there is need to take care of interest of one another as per the situation under which one is placed to create cordiality and fraternity rather than creating conflicting situation by branding past retirees as litigants and obstacle in smooth settlement for employees.

6. We have no hesitation to place on record that because of approach of UFBU and its constituents towards demands of past retirees with ‘accepting 100 percent responsibility for past retirees and with zero percent accountability towards stakeholders model” , we have been placed in very awkward and tight position. Time left is very limited to us and further we have limited resources. We are left hardly with 10 days within which we have to act decisively. Though we know we are soft target and ultimately we may have to accept the defeat on the major issues with virtually no fault of ours. But we would like to caution UFBU leaders that outburst and anger of lakhs of retirees will be furious and unimaginable which possibly neither we nor you are able to comprehend at this stage. Today retirees are organised. They have solid platform. They have powerful voice and sufficient time to agitate. It will definitely burst. Because we closely know their mind set and emotion and if they outburst they are hindered percent correct.

8. We are also at complete loss to understand that mighty organisation like UFBU could not persuade IBA in last 3 years to give one audience to the retiree organisations. Is it because of adamant attitude of IBA or something more than this which necked eyes cannot read. Some times we wonder when we can meet senior bureaucrats ,members of parliaments, even ministers at short notice but UFBU is unable to convenience IBA in the matter. 7. Here it would not be out of place to mention that AIBRF has been working for last a few years to develop culture of organisational efforts to resolve retiree issues and discourage litigation. But if we fail to achieve any of major demands through our persistent organisational efforts of last 5 years, the belief of retirees in litigation will increase many fold and the banking industry whether you believe or not will be flooded with court cases

3. In view of this situation we make humble appeal to you and to leaders of each constituent of UFBU through you that please understand gravity and seriousness of situation and accept our following requests

(1) 100 percent dearness allowance to pre-2002 retirees is settled issues as per your communications and understanding reached between IBA and UFBU. You must prevail upon IBA that it should be implemented immediately

(2) If any further study ,discussion needed on other issues like improvement in family pension, pension updation. Uniform medical facility should be completed immediately before signing the settlement.

(3) If it is not possible within available time, signing of settlement should be deferred by a few days till the issues of retirees are fully examined and concrete offer comes from IBA. Settlement is delayed by record period of two and half years this time, further delay of one month or so is not going to harm employees interest adversely. The date of benefit is already crystallised. Therefore they are not going to suffer any financial loss because of some more delay. We expect that unions can show this much gestures towards their past colloquies and set a very healthy trend for future.

(4) AIBRF should be taken in to confidence by UFBU and IBA on demands of retirees.

(5) We would like to have one meeting with UFBU representatives before signing of the settlement We expect immediate response in the matter. Lakhs of retirees are keenly waiting for it. Your response will create history.

With Kind Regards

Yours Sincerely
( S.C.JAIN )
GENERAL SECRETARY

 

[PM]

Dear Friends,

                                   General Secretary Com C H Venkitachalam, AIBEA has given reply  to letter of  GS,AIBRF, as  follows:.

ALL INDIA BANK EMPLOYEES' ASSOCIATION

   Central Office:  “PRABHAT NIVAS”    Regn.  No.2037

   Singapore Plaza, 164, Linghi Chetty Street, Chennai-600001

  Phone: 2535 1522, 6543 1566    Fax: 4500 2191, 2535 8853

  e mail ~ chv....@gmail.com & aib...@gmail.com

14-5-2015

To

General Secretary

All India Bank Retirees Federation

D-1/1, Sector-C, Scheme-71,

Near Kasara Bazar School,

Indore – 452 009

Dear Sir,

We are in receipt of your letter dt. 12-5-2015 addressed to the Convener of UFBU with copy to us.

On behalf of AIBEA and even UFBU, we would like to say that the contents of the letter are unwarrantedly provocative and not based on full facts.  The demands relating to Retirees were included in the charter of demands not at the behest of anyone but out of our own conviction that these issues have to be taken up for resolution.  

The following 4 important demands have been taken up by us with the IBA and Government.

• Medical Scheme for the retirees

• Improvement in family pension

• 100% DA for pre-Nov. 2002 retirees

• Periodical updation of pension

Due to the consistent efforts of UFBU, for the first time in the industry-level bipartite service condition, IBA has agreed and the proposed medical scheme would provide for continuation of the benefits even after the retirement of an employee or officer.  This is a major achievement of the UFBU.

Further, it has been agreed that the same scheme would be made applicable to all the past retirees also.  This is by no means an ordinary achievement.

Regarding improvement in Family pension, we have repeatedly informed everyone that IBA and the Government are very sympathetic to this issue and the cost implications have to be worked out before a final decision is taken.  UFBU has informed IBA that the improvements in Family pension should apply not only for the existing employees but for the retirees as well.  In view of AS15-R, the cost implications of funding the additional fund required cannot not lost sight of.   The demand has not been negatived but under serious consideration.  From AIBEA we have even offered to negotiate the cost to find an amicable solution.

Regarding 100% DA for past cases, the IBA and the Government were willing to consider the same.  But of late we find that they feel that the matter is subjudice for discussions as some court cases are pending before Supreme Court for which we are not responsible.  Yesterday only you informed us that the court cases can be withdrawn to pave the way for a solution to this issue.  

On the issue of updation of pension, IBA has very serious reservations in view of the cost implications which is very high according to them. So we have asked for the details of number of pensioners, present pension, etc. so that we can work out the cost and fund required for the same and then pursue the matter further.  It is a very important issue but also a difficult one to tackle.  Even in RBI this issue has not been resolved despite cost not being a problem.

All these developments have been periodically informed to you but still you have chosen to be oblivious to all the efforts and constraints of the unions.

If your letter is to request for further efforts, it would be viewed accordingly.  If  otherwise, we will take it on our strides.  

All of us know that when various issues and demands are placed before the management, all of them do not get settled fully and in one go.  You are not unaware of the same.  But then to accuse that UFBU has betrayed, it is too much of a comment.  

Please by assured that AIBEA and UFBU are doing what is best possible in the matter.

With greetings,

 Yours comradely,

C.H.VENKATACHALAM          

GENERAL  SECRETARY

[Padmanabhan R]

CHV had mentioned that he will not sign the settlement unless retirees issues are settled.

What has happened to that promise.

[seshadri nadhan]

now leaders also behave like politicians...seshadri

[Kavya Guntupalli]

Order of the day.

[JSOMA SHEKARA]

As per CHV letter

Family Pension is difficult because of cost factor

100% DA cannot be pursued because matter is in court

Updation is very difficult to tackle

 so Pensioners be happy and wait for XI BPS.

[PM]

 

Dear Friends,

                           It is almost certain that 10^th BPS/Joint Note on wage revision will be signed on 22^nd May 2015 by UFBU/IBA.

                          From the latest reply given  by GS,of AIBEA to GS of AIBRF it is also crystal clear that what is in store for retirees under 10^th BPS!.

 

 AIBRF letter to Convenor UFBU dt 12.5.15

 QUOTE:

“ In view of this situation we make humble appeal to you and to leaders of each constituent of UFBU through you that please understand gravity and seriousness of situation and accept our following requests

(1) 100 percent dearness allowance to pre-2002 retirees is settled issues as per your communications and understanding reached between IBA and UFBU. You must prevail upon IBA that it should be implemented immediately

(2) If any further study ,discussion needed on other issues like improvement in family pension, pension updation. Uniform medical facility should be completed immediately before signing the settlement.

(3) If it is not possible within available time, signing of settlement should be deferred by a few days till the issues of retirees are fully examined and concrete offer comes from IBA. Settlement is delayed by record period of two and half years this time, further delay of one month or so is not going to harm employees interest adversely. The date of benefit is already crystallised. Therefore they are not going to suffer any financial loss because of some more delay. We expect that unions can show this much gestures towards their past colloquies and set a very healthy trend for future.”

 

Prompt reply was sent by General secretary,All India Bank Employees Union on 14^th May 2015 on these issues

Quote:

“The following 4 important demands have been taken up by us with the IBA and Government.

Medical Scheme for the retirees

Improvement in family pension

100% DA for pre-Nov. 2002 retirees

Periodical updation of pension

Due to the consistent efforts of UFBU, for the first time in the industry-level bipartite service condition, IBA has agreed and the proposed medical scheme would provide for continuation of the benefits even after the retirement of an employee or officer.  This is a major achievement of the UFBU.

Further, it has been agreed that the same scheme would be made applicable to all the past retirees also.  This is by no means an ordinary achievement.

Regarding improvement in Family pension, we have repeatedly informed everyone that IBA and the Government are very sympathetic to this issue and the cost implications have to be worked out before a final decision is taken.  UFBU has informed IBA that the improvements in Family pension should apply not only for the existing employees but for the retirees as well.  In view of AS15-R, the cost implications of funding the additional fund required cannot not lost sight of.   The demand has not been negatived but under serious consideration.  From AIBEA we have even offered to negotiate the cost to find an amicable solution.

Regarding 100% DA for past cases, the IBA and the Government were willing to consider the same.  But of late we find that they feel that the matter is subjudice for discussions as some court cases are pending before Supreme Court for which we are not responsible.  Yesterday only you informed us that the court cases can be withdrawn to pave the way for a solution to this issue.  

On the issue of updation of pension, IBA has very serious reservations in view of the cost implications which is very high according to them. So we have asked for the details of number of pensioners, present pension, etc. so that we can work out the cost and fund required for the same and then pursue the matter further.  It is a very important issue but also a difficult one to tackle.  Even in RBI this issue has not been resolved despite cost not being a problem.”

                  










On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 5:14:48 PM UTC+5:30, PM wrote:

[cpvnair]

IF THIS PROVED,RETIREES WILL NOT BE STRANDED.THEY WILL GIVE A  BEFITTING REPLY THROUGH INCESSANT AGITATIONS! LET US WAIT AND SEE.

 

 

WARM REG

 

 

 

CPVNAIR

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[Vvns Varaprasadrao]

Still some of the learned members are hoping that UFBU will do due justice for the Bank pensioners in this settlement.   So funny.

Varaprasad.

[Kavya Guntupalli]

There will not be next BPS. 

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:19 PM, PM <moha...@gmail.com> wrote:

[L S RAMAN]

Leaders are worst than politicians since the politicians do not act against senior citizens and their welfare,but only take care of their selffish interest.In the process no senior citizen in cluding Govt pensoners are deprived of their pension and welfare.

Dr.Raman.L.S.

[PM]

Dear Friends,

                                 As far as retirees are concerned, our only concern were the resolution of our long pending genuine demands,under ongoing 10th Bipartite process,with support of serving employees unions.Once General Secretary of one of the constituents of United Forum of Bank Unions, with largest number of employees,  has clearly spelt out on what is in store for retirees under 10th BPS,in his reply addressed to General Secretary 

of All India Bank Retires Federation.

                                 Under this backdrop,there may not have any surprise as of now, if retirees have not shown much interest in looking towards the date of signing of 10th Bipartite settlement and related developments between UFBU and IBA without considering  our major  demands.                              

                      As per information Sub-Group meeting between UFBU and IBA on Medical Insurance will be held tomorrow.i.e on 16th May at 2.30 P/M/ at Mumbai.

                             Forget about retirees for a moment. The true picture of 10th BPS is reflected in the following lines in circular dt 15th May. of AIBOC, at the fag end of wage revision negotiations!

Quote:

                                    'We also wish to advise our members that many rounds of consultations and discussions have taken place with IBA to decide structure of scales. Being a technical issue, it requires taking into consideration many processes to avoid future anomalies and complications in fitments etc. Likewise implementation of Saturdays off as agreed by IBA, has to pass through many processes. We are endeavoring our best to address the anxieties of our members by putting in all efforts to settle all issues so that the Salary Negotiation gets concluded within the time frame of 90 days'

                                                  Now, it is the time for retirees and retirees organisation to strengthen the retirees movement,to fulfill our objectives.

[PARASURAMAN K R]

Dear Friends,

The 10th BPS with "zero allocation" for retirees is a great lesson for the bank retiree movement.The separation of pay slip cost from establishment cost is the ingenuity of UFBU to side line retirees and keep it's members in good humor. But the fact is that there is a large chunk of old generation employees including the so called leaders who will be victims of their own folly when they don the mantle of retirees sooner or later. The 10th BPS is the best chance to correct the past mistakes.

Friends, let us not be disheartened by the betrayal by our own clan and let us take it as challenge. Let us unite and fight under one banner and approach the judiciary. The 100% DA neutralization case has already reached the apex court and let us focus all our energy for a favorable decision from the court. Let us pool funds and engage the best lawyer to fight our case. We have won 5 yr weight-age case. We got our BP corrected to 50% because the concerned parties were aware that there action would fail legal scrutiny.

We are now more organised and have good resources to show our strength but lack unity. We failed because we are not united. Why should there be umpteen number of unions each owing allegiance to a serving union who are not able to secure their own rights let alone our issues?. Let us look after ourselves and show the world that we are not losers.

with best wishes to bank retirees,

Parasuraman.K.R        

[Vvns Varaprasadrao]

The realisation arrived at  in concluding para has come after wasting 30 months time by associating with ungrateful and selfish leaders. 

Varaprasad.

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:17 PM, PM <moha...@gmail.com> wrote:

[cpvnair]

VERY VERY TRUE, PMji!RETIREES ORGANISATIONS HAVE TO ENGAGE IN FRESH SET OF AGITATIONS, IN A CONTINUOS PROCESS,JOINTLY.

 

 

WARM REG

 

 

CPVNAIR

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[PM]

Dear Friends,

                              If retirees major demands are not resolved under 10th Bipartite negotiations, the impact is  left only to retirees and their families.It is a fact and reality .It pertains to senior and super senior citizen and families of those who left  this world.

                             Those who are eligible otherwise and not receiving any pension at all  due to wrong interpretations of IBA     and those who are living only on monthly pension( without uniform DA) that too fixed years back as on retirement will know fully well the present condition in their real life that too without any medical facilities from their banks.

                             An indefinite wait of retirees for genuine right cannot be seen in lighter vein and collective efforts of retirees organisation is the need of the hour.Is it happening now?  

                             

                            " In case the situation is otherwise, the world is not going to end tomorrow. The sky will hang in its normal place and it will not fall on our heads." -AIBPARC Cir.

                             Is this the answer for all senior and super senior citizens?

[JSOMA SHEKARA]

AIBPARC is sponsored by AIBOC. IF AIBPARC was genuinely interested in retirees demands it would have pressurized its parent union a largest officer union to take up retirees issues seriously. If AIBOC takes a stand that unless retirees issues are settled it will not sign BPS then naturally IBA as well as other unions will fall in line.

However there is absolutely no indication of AIBPARC having done so. Instead AIBPARC  simply organizing shows without in anyway linking AIBOC just to compete with AIBRF.

What is the very purpose of starting AIBPARC? is it to scuttle retiree movement?

Like UFBU AIBPARC also cannot be trusted. AIBRF must fight alone as it has strong membership f 125000.

Persistent efforts will bring results. All members are ready to contribute if necessary.

[cpvnair]

NO LITIGATION PARASUJI! AS MILITANT UNION/ASSOCN  MEMBERS OF YESTER YEARS, WE KNOW HOW TO FIGHT.THERE SHOULD BE GOOD LEADERSHIP.FORTUNATELY,AIBRF HAS A TOILING LEADERSHIP.AIBPARC AND OTHER OUTFITS MAY JOIN THE STRUGGLE AND WE WILL ACHIEVE THE TARGET.CASE MEANS ANOTHER 20 YEARS.SO PLEASE BE BRAVE TO AGITATE IN OUR STYLE OF YESTER YEARS….

 

 

 

WARM REG

 

 

 

CPVNAIR

 

From: bankpe...@googlegroups.com [mailto:bankpe...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PARASURAMAN K R

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 5:16 PM
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

[perumal maruthu]

TQji

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From: PM <moha...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 16 May 2015 4:17 PM
Subject: bankpensioner Re: CRUCIAL DAYS AHEAD FOR RETIREES

[perumal maruthu]

It is sheer arrogance and utter lack of understanding the sufferings of the piggy-back riders!

Once again, the Anti-Pension outfit reveals its true colours!

M.Perumal

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From: PM <moha...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, 16 May 2015 7:29 PM

Subject: bankpensioner Re: CRUCIAL DAYS AHEAD FOR RETIREES

[Ramachandran M N]

Great discovery by AIBPARC !

[harinarayana sarma nandivada]

Let this message be spread like a wild fire and let it reach all the leaders of serving employees unions and retiree organizAtions.  Anything to be done is to be done now only within this week.

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From: PARASURAMAN K R <paras...@gmail.com>
To: "bankpe...@googlegroups.com" <bankpe...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 16 May 2015, 17:16
Subject: Re: bankpensioner Re: CRUCIAL DAYS AHEAD FOR RETIREES

[Ramachandran M N]

Why not we resort to social media to expose  anti pensioners tactics of IBA and UFBU. If media's co-operation is sought it will have a strong and immediate effect.

[cpvnair]

An ACTION WHICH REQUIRES RETIREES OUTFITS IMMEDIATELY!

 

 

warm reg

 

 

CPVNAIR

[L S RAMAN]

The UFBU stands exposed, and there is nothing to be exposed.Tyhis is a clear case of betrayal behind trhe screen and cheating the entire community of Bank Pensioners with an element of conspiracy in collusion with the I.B.A.

Dr.L.S.Raman.L.S.

[Vvns Varaprasadrao]

Good idea.  Enlist the Co - operation of electronic and print media to expose tactics of UFBU and IBA.

[Joginder Pal Verma]

Sir,

The only way left --OBTAIN STAY ORDER ON SIGNING OF SETTLEMENT---Citing charter of demands/court orders favoring 100% D A/ UBFU LETTERS ON RETITREES DEMAND--betrayel  by UFBU--HENCE STAY ORDER UNDER  PIL..

UFBU WILL DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE FOR RETIREES DEMANDS--IF STAY ORDER IS OBTAINED.

REGARDS,

JOGINDER VERMA 8373908808

[seshadri nadhan]

let us stand united. why there must be two associations for retirees. AIBRF is the oldest association. let us all stand united under AIBRF. 

At the most retirees can demonstrate, meet the top officials in ministry. but who is prepared to listen to us. ministers and officials have their own agenda under priority. public will not listen to us. legal recourse will take its own time. by the time, court conveys its decision most of us will be in cemetry.

What else can we do?

seshadri

[Sundar Veluthedan]

Dear Friends / Comrades / Respected Elders / Well informed youngsters

AFTER GOING THROUGH THE BLOGS OF MANY INDIVIDUALS IN THIS FORUM NOW I AM AT A LOSS TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING THROUGH THE MINDS OF OUR DEAR PENSIONERS ? ALL THESE YEARS WHO FOUGHT FOR US (WHEN WE WERE IN SERVICE) FOR WAGE REVISION AND WHO FOUGHT AND SECURED PENSION OPTION IN THE FIRST INSTANCE (MANY OF US WERE VERY 'CLEVER, INTELLIGENT AND CALCULATIVE' TO DECLINE THE FIRST OPTION) AND WHO FOUGHT FOR US FOR THE SECOND OPTION ? WERE THESE LEADERS SELFISH AND SELF CENTERED ? I AM AT A LOSS COMPLETELY. NOW WE ARE RETIRED. WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS. WHY DO WE HAVE TO BEG OR EXPECT OTHER OUTFIT TO FIGHT FOR US? RECENTLY A LADY PENSIONER WROTE THAT SHE WOULD GO FOR HUNGER STRIKE AND ANOTHER FRIEND SUPPORTIVELY WROTE THAT SHE ALSO WOULD JOIN HER. YES THAT SHOULD BE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUR ATTITUDE FROM THE DAY WE RETIRED. WE HAVE TO UNITE. I FOR ONE AM READY TO GO FOR HUNGER STRIKE (SOME OF THE LEARNED LEGAL LUMINARIES PLEASE ADVISE THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF THIS) IN FRONT OF THE SECRETARIAT AT NEW DELHI ? IN FRONT OF THE SECRETARIAT AT CHENNAI OR TRIVANDRUM ? COME ON COMRADES AND FELLOW PENSIONERS, LET US UNITE FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS. THERE IS A FAMOUS SLOGAN IN MALAYALAM (PLEASE PERMIT ME TO JOT IT HERE WITH SOME ALTERATION) "SARVA SAMSTHANA PENSIONERS SANGHATIKKUVIN, SANGHATICHU SANGHATICHU SHAKTHARAKUVIN". IT LOOSELY TRANSLATES LIKE THIS "ALL THE PENSIONERS OF ALL THE STATES, UNITE. BY UNITING BECOME STRONG AND STRONG". WE WILL SUCCEED.

WITH ALL THE BEST WISHES FOR GOOD HEALTH TO ALL THE PENSIONERS

SUNDAR

[bhaskara sarma]

Let us stand united.Let us produce all the assurances and other correspondence related to our demands before Supreme Court and expose the people who are misusing their positions and not honouring our demands in spite of availability of funds.Yes going for PIL is the best.

P B Sarma.

[rgssm_1976]

I fully agree the points mentioned. If IBA and UFBU are not ready to solve the settlement and not ready to care senior citizens and family pensioners then why the existing employees of bank employees should be benefitted. So stop UFBU and IBA signing the agreement by applying stay order immediately. 

Rajangam. 

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-------- Original message --------
From: Joginder Pal Verma <jogi...@koovs.com>
Date: 18/05/2015 13:56 (GMT+05:30)
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Subject: bankpensioner Re: CRUCIAL DAYS AHEAD FOR RETIREES

Sir,

The only way left --OBTAIN STAY ORDER ON SIGNING OF SETTLEMENT---Citing charter of demands/court orders favoring 100% D A/ UBFU LETTERS ON RETITREES DEMAND--betrayel  by UFBU--HENCE STAY ORDER UNDER  PIL..

UFBU WILL DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE FOR RETIREES DEMANDS--IF STAY ORDER IS OBTAINED.

REGARDS,

JOGINDER VERMA 8373908808

On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 5:14:48 PM UTC+5:30, PM wrote:

Dear Friends,

                                   As per the latest developments reported by General secretary All India Bank Retirees Federation(AIBRF), United Forum of Bank Unions(UFBU) have decided to sign the 10th Bi partite Settlement on 22nd May 2015.

QUOTE:

AIBRF.

"As you are aware that the undersigned(GS.of AIBRF) and the President Shri S.M. Deshpande  are camping at Delhi for last two days to accelerate our last minutes efforts to achieve our demands in the ensuing settlement. We had to take decision to make accelerated level of efforts in view of the recent development that UFBU has decided to sign final settlement  on 22.05.015 without waiting for crystallising and finalisation of retirees’ demands though in the past it was repeatedly promised by UFBU that the settlement would not be signed by them unless retirees’ issues are addressed satisfactorily. On our approaching union leaders in last 2 days for postponing singing of settlement for a few days and make efforts to  carry out study on retiree issues and thereafter crystallise them, they are not agreeable on it.

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 In view of these developments of last few days and UFBU taking decision to sign settlement on 22.05.2015 ignoring retiree issues completely, the environment has become tough and hostile for us.

 But Comrades we assure all of you that in next 10 days we shall take all possible steps including very strong organisational action to achieve our demands with or without support of UFBU . We call upon our membership to be in readiness to respond our calls without getting influenced by outsiders.

 We are in the process of submitting  memorandum to the Convenor of UFBU and all constituents of UFBU with one more appeal to first settle retiree issues and then sign the settlement. We hope they will respond positively to it.

 We shall give our next organisational call tomorrow 14.05.2015. Kindly be in readiness to respond."

            

[perumal maruthu]

Well said sri Sundarji!

CHV-bashing-daily can give someone the needed comfort; but it will not bring any solution to the problems of the Pensioners!

M.Perumal

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From: Sundar Veluthedan <sundarve...@gmail.com>
To: bankpe...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 18 May 2015 7:46 PM

[OM PRAKASH SHARMA]

Dear Friends,

AIBRF must obtain stay order restricting UFBU to sign 10th BPS on 22nd May 2015. Once the stay order is received, UFBU will make sincere efforts to take up the issue of retirees. UFBU was never serious in taking forward the demands of the retirees nor there was any serious discussions with IBA as evident from the letter dated  14.12.2015 sent by CHV to GS, AIBRF. 

AIBRF should not waste its time now in reconciliation with UFBU rather resort to obtention of stay order.

O.P. SHARMA

[Mohandas Rao]

Dear Sri Om Prakash Sharma,

Your suggestion is highly impracticable and against trade union ethics. Assume, for a moment, AIBRF obtains a stay. What happens? UFBU and the working staff/officers will get agitated and will curse both AIBRF and bank pensioners. They will never fight for your demands wholeheartedly, even if compelled by a court order. They are also human beings and not Mahatma Gandhi or Jesus Christ to offer another cheek to slap. It is with the co-operation of UFBU only AIBRF can secure something in the present context. 

K. MOHANDAS RAO

[Ramalingam k.k]

Its foolish to think that bringing a stay on the settlement would help in solving retirees problem. On the contrary we will loose what little sympathy we have from our own working collegues. Also it will be playing right into the hands of IBA and mgmt. Another 1 or 2 years settlement can be dragged along.
Let's think of other positive ways of solving our issues and not at the cost of our working brethren.

Ramalingam

[Sundar Veluthedan]

Dear Comrades

Has anyone given a thought of the number of days the working employees went on strike and how many difficulties they would have faced during all these years and finally they are about to get some benefits. We should never stand in their way. It is their hard earned rights and privileges and increase in pay. We were all in that league once. Had anyone given a stay order on those times what would have been our feelings? No never one shall get a stay order. Let them enjoy the fruits of their toiling and fighting abilities. You may have grudge over some individuals but is this the way to express like getting a stay and thereby depriving many many lakhs of employees. No dear comrades. Let us fight and earn our rights. But never stand in the way of the existing workers. Their curses will never leave you peacefully. If that is the case why dont you fight and get a stay order when the elected members of the parliament and assembly just by the whisk of their fingers get their increase without doing literally anything. Are you able to stall it? If you were a true trade union member you will never think in that line. This is my humble posting. Let us unite and fight and  earn our rights.

Good luck and good times ahead

Sundar

[bhaskara sarma]

Dear Sundar Velayuthan,

What we should do when IBA and UFBU combine cheated not for one or two years but 20 years ,by giving false assurances.Is it not a fraud?Why such frauds are to be tolerated?Why UFBU should take up the cause of pensioners who are not their members when it does not have competence.It is done only to appropriate the allocations given to pensioners also to employees while IBA is a mute spectator.

With regards,

P B Sarma.

[purnachandra rao Poluru]

DEAR SIR,

 Bipartite settlelements have become a farce, of late ,playing with the lives of working employees and retirees. IN 9TH bipartite PF optees interests were mortgagaged and now in 10th bipartite ,it seems,retirees' interests are going to be mortgaged. Pensioners demands were included in COD only to prevent them from

approaching IBA/MOF  for allocation of funds separately for them and thereby not to effect ongoing bipartite talks. UFBU has absolutely no interest in retirees demands.In the beginning they promised and in the end they ditched.All the figures

furnished byAIBRF at great length  to UFBU for updation of pension seems to have no effect. Nobody seems to have taken

care to put forth the views of AIBRF in front of IBA.Only the almight should come to our rescue to succeed in our efforts.

MAY THE DHARMA WIN AND ADHARMA LOSE.