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[abdul salam]

AIBEA'S CIRCULAR REGARDING stagnation increment 

[abdul salam]

[abdul salam]

Lokh Sabha answer reg OROP on 8th Feb. 

[Raghavan s]

IT SEEMS THE FM HAS NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PENSION UPDATION BEFORE GIVING INTERVIEWS TO BUSINESS LINE NEWSPAPER NOR WHILE ADDRESSING AGM OF IBA. WHAT A PITY. HOW TO BELIEVE SUCH FMs On other announcements?

 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, 1:22 pm abdul salam, <sala...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lokh Sabha answer reg OROP on 8th Feb. 

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[Shrinivas Parkar]

It is understood that various Affiliates of Apex Retirees Association are meeting various Hon'ble MPs, Hon'ble Ministers etc for Pension Updation. I am Grateful to these Groups of Retirees for the Great Job done by them. I am also happy with the Positive Response from these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers, which is Credit of these Groups of Retirees and Kindness of the Concerned Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers. However, most humbly and with gratitude for these Groups of Retirees, I wish to state that these Hon'ble MPs/  Ministers write recommendation letters to Hon'ble Finance Minister, who is already in favour of Pension Updation for Bank Staff. Most humbly, I suggest that in addition to Recommendation Letters to Hon'ble Finance Ministers,  these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers may be requested to direct IBA, in whatever way possible for these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers, to recommend the Updation Proposal by IBA to Finance Ministry,  immediately. I think that Powerful Ministers/ MPs are fully aware and equipped with the Tools & Techniques to get the job done by Organisations like IBA. This is my humble suggestion to be considered, if found useful.

I feel that if the Person Updation Proposal is forwarded by IBA to Finance Ministry for Approval, it may be approved, in view of Positive Attitude shown towards Bank Retirees, by Hon'ble Finance Minister Respected Nirmalaji Madam, recently.

[Shrinivas Parkar]

If nothing Positive happens by March 2021 or at the most by April 2021, many People may form Opinion similar to that of Shri Raghavan Sir. These People may give Wide Publicity to such views, through Social Media and Other Means. The Opinion of Shri Raghavan Sir is just beginning. Prestige  of not only Hon'ble  Finance Minister, but creditability of entire Modi Government and that of Hon'ble Prime Minister, is at stake. Rahul Gandhi may take advantage of the situation. I pray to God not to bring such Situation in reality. If IBA Chairman is not forwarding Updation Proposal, he may be removed immediately by Hon'ble Finance Minister, because People may not accept such excuse, for a long time. I wish to clarify that I do not belong to any Political Party, but the Political Leader who gets Pension Updation for all Bank Pensioners, will be my Hero.

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[Shrinivas Parkar]

If nothing Positive happens before March 2021 or at the most latest by April 2021, Many People may form Opinion more or less Similar to that formed by Shri Raghavan Sir. In that case Prestige of not only Hon'ble Finance Minister, but Creditability of entire Present Government may be at stake. I confidently hope that Hon'ble Finance Minister may not allow this thing to happen. If IBA Chairman is not forwarding Updation Proposal to DFS, he may be given ultimatum by Hon'ble Finance Minister to forward the Updation Proposal,  otherwise this IBA Chairman may be removed by Hon'ble Finance Minister, because this excuse may not be accepted by People for a long time.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 10:01 Raghavan s, <srv...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

IBA will definitely submit a proposal for updation before 31st March. There is no doubt about it.

But most important is what will be the formula? Nobody is bothering about this. UFBU leaders never interested in updation. Now they have more important matters like farmers agitation to solve.

Retiree associations are eager to take credit for updation by claiming

"because of our follow up"

For them it does not matter updation scheme being cooked in kitchen of

IBA is beneficial to pensioners or not.

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[manoj kumar Majumdar]

You have rightly commented while others had been ecstatic and profusely admired about the FM.

The fact is very few people go into depth about politics of the ruling class. While these people are

Continuously denying the rights of working class, farmers and poorer section , they cannot suddenly 

Become benevolent about Bank retirees. FM addressed to the press without having background knowledge of the subject. She is just a toy in the hands of PM and HM.   : Manoj kumar Majumdar.

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[Mattar Kamalaksha Kini]

IBA cannot ignore the instructions of the Finance Minister. It  may take some time for submitting updation proposal to the IBA and for this job no need of the MP s letters.Retiree associations have to be 

in touch with the Finance minister and if the IBA does forward the proposal then bring to the notice of the FM and I am hopeful that the FM wiil take right decision in this regard.We have to be patient and wait for some time since the FM is busy attending budget discussions in both the house of the Parliuament.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 3:51 PM Shrinivas Parkar <sppar...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is understood that various Affiliates of Apex Retirees Association are meeting various Hon'ble MPs, Hon'ble Ministers etc for Pension Updation. I am Grateful to these Groups of Retirees for the Great Job done by them. I am also happy with the Positive Response from these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers, which is Credit of these Groups of Retirees and Kindness of the Concerned Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers. However, most humbly and with gratitude for these Groups of Retirees, I wish to state that these Hon'ble MPs/  Ministers write recommendation letters to Hon'ble Finance Minister, who is already in favour of Pension Updation for Bank Staff. Most humbly, I suggest that in addition to Recommendation Letters to Hon'ble Finance Ministers,  these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers may be requested to direct IBA, in whatever way possible for these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers, to recommend the Updation Proposal by IBA to Finance Ministry,  immediately. I think that Powerful Ministers/ MPs are fully aware and equipped with the Tools & Techniques to get the job done by Organisations like IBA. This is my humble suggestion to be considered, if found useful.

I feel that if the Person Updation Proposal is forwarded by IBA to Finance Ministry for Approval, it may be approved, in view of Positive Attitude shown towards Bank Retirees, by Hon'ble Finance Minister Respected Nirmalaji Madam, recently.

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[Mattar Kamalaksha Kini]

Please donot make such comments on FMs statements . Such commdents may affect us adversely for our updation. The Finance Minister has to take care of the nations Finance and take care of 130 crore people. So kindly wait for some time around two months till the end of the budget session and later if the Finance Minister does take any action then we can decidem on our action. 

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[Nagaraju Kakani]

Sairam, Dear Friends, We are talking several options and view points, opinions on this subject of retiree demands/problems,accepting the hurdles created by several leaders, organisations. If nobody is coming forward, why not we resign from our present organisations enmasse and form a New organisation and approach the FM, DFS, IBA. It is the only way for us to succeed if we really want our goal is to be achieved. 

With regards, 

Nagaraju Kakani, 

BOI 2000SVRS /2009PENSIONER, 

Nallagandla Hyderabad 500019.

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[Raghavan s]

Pl see today financial Express where loksabha reply on updation  which is denied by minister 

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[K Raghavan]

Well said. Especially the words that UFBU is interested in solving farmers problem. They are also interested in pressurising Modi government to desist from privatisation of public sector units. An outfit which cannot safeguard it's own members woos!🎂🎂🎂

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[Debasish Mukherjee]

For taking the decision of Bank retirees pension updation Finance minister herself does not need to be engaged herself. Proposal to be scrutinised and ensured that has been prepared in conformity with the guidelines of the ministry by the Secretaries of Finance ministry and put before Minister for approval. Now problem is with IBA who has to submit proposal to finance minister recommending updation along with the Banks Board resolutions approving updation. Probably delay is taking place to complete legalities at the Banks/IBA end particularly after amalgamation of so many Banks and all integration process have not been completed yet. We have to keep pressure and continue pursuing with IBA Chairman to speed up the job.

Debasish Mukherjee.

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From: Mattar Kamalaksha Kini <kamalak...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:23:19 GMT+0530
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Subject: Re: bankpensioner Awake Pensioners Awake

IBA cannot ignore the instructions of the Finance Minister. It  may take some time for submitting updation proposal to the IBA and for this job no need of the MP s letters.Retiree associations have to be 

in touch with the Finance minister and if the IBA does forward the proposal then bring to the notice of the FM and I am hopeful that the FM wiil take right decision in this regard.We have to be patient and wait for some time since the FM is busy attending budget discussions in both the house of the Parliuament.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 3:51 PM Shrinivas Parkar <sppar...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is understood that various Affiliates of Apex Retirees Association are meeting various Hon'ble MPs, Hon'ble Ministers etc for Pension Updation. I am Grateful to these Groups of Retirees for the Great Job done by them. I am also happy with the Positive Response from these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers, which is Credit of these Groups of Retirees and Kindness of the Concerned Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers. However, most humbly and with gratitude for these Groups of Retirees, I wish to state that these Hon'ble MPs/  Ministers write recommendation letters to Hon'ble Finance Minister, who is already in favour of Pension Updation for Bank Staff. Most humbly, I suggest that in addition to Recommendation Letters to Hon'ble Finance Ministers,  these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers may be requested to direct IBA, in whatever way possible for these Hon'ble MPs/ Ministers, to recommend the Updation Proposal by IBA to Finance Ministry,  immediately. I think that Powerful Ministers/ MPs are fully aware and equipped with the Tools & Techniques to get the job done by Organisations like IBA. This is my humble suggestion to be considered, if found useful.

I feel that if the Person Updation Proposal is forwarded by IBA to Finance Ministry for Approval, it may be approved, in view of Positive Attitude shown towards Bank Retirees, by Hon'ble Finance Minister Respected Nirmalaji Madam, recently.

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[Shrinivas Parkar]

It appears that some Major Decisions are taken directly by Present Hon'ble Prime Minister and the Concerned Hon'ble Minister is asked to implement the same. For example, in the matter of Transfer of RBI Surplus Funds to Government, when in a Press Conference, Hon'ble Finance Minister was asked about how these funds were going to be utilized, Hon'ble Finance Minister could not reply. Thus, it appears that the said Decision pertaining to Finance Department, was taken directly by Hon'ble Prime Minister, without consulting Hon'ble Finance Minister. Nothing wrong in that, because it is privilege of Hon'ble Prime Minister and he is entitled to do so. The Bank Pension Updation Decision also appears have been taken directly by Hon'ble Prime Minister and Hon'ble Finance  Minister has been asked to implement the same. I feel that otherwise Hon'ble Finance Minister may not make such Clear Statements regarding Pension Updation Publicly and also may not take steps to implement the same by talking to IBA Chairman and by asking Banking Secretary to work on the matter. 

The Present Hon'ble Prime Minister is very Powerful. If my guess is correct that the Decision of Pension Updation is taken by Hon'ble Prime Minister, definitely we are going to get Pension Updation. However, we have to bring to the attention of both Hon'ble Prime Minister & Hon'ble Finance Minister who are 'Shukracharyas' in this Process. Our Hon'ble Prime Minister is of very strong mindset and is capable of removing any obstacle in the way, if he decides to do something. IBA Chairman is very small thing for our beloved Hon'ble Prime Minister. 

On Sat, 13 Feb 2021, 13:21 manoj kumar Majumdar, <maju...@gmail.com> wrote:

You have rightly commented while others had been ecstatic and profusely admired about the FM.

The fact is very few people go into depth about politics of the ruling class. While these people are

Continuously denying the rights of working class, farmers and poorer section , they cannot suddenly 

Become benevolent about Bank retirees. FM addressed to the press without having background knowledge of the subject. She is just a toy in the hands of PM and HM.   : Manoj kumar Majumdar.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 at 10:01 AM, Raghavan s <srv...@gmail.com> wrote:

IT SEEMS THE FM HAS NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PENSION UPDATION BEFORE GIVING INTERVIEWS TO BUSINESS LINE NEWSPAPER NOR WHILE ADDRESSING AGM OF IBA. WHAT A PITY. HOW TO BELIEVE SUCH FMs On other announcements?

 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, 1:22 pm abdul salam, <sala...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lokh Sabha answer reg OROP on 8th Feb. 

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[Chandrasekaran Venkataraman]

Somasekharji,

How you are telling for sure that IBA will send updation proposal before 31.3.2021?Any confirmed news has come?(Reply at Rajya sabha and Lok Sabha didnot tell  anything about updation except Family pension updation for which proposal submitted and under consideration of Govt.)

Regards

V.Chandrasekaran

A pre 2002 PNB retiree

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[Shrinivas Parkar]

Gone is the Year 2004, when IBA replied to Retirees Association that 'It is not a Policy of IBA to discuss the issues of Retirees with Representatives of Retirees '. At that time, Retirees Association was helpless due to lack of Government Support for the Bank Retirees. But this is Year 2021. Hon'ble Finance Minister has openly come in support of Retirees. I request to Retirees Association to take Aggressive Stand and meet IBA Chairman and ask him, in strong words, to forward Updation Proposal immediately to DFS, with whatever Details Available. 

I say that IBA need not unnecessarily worry about Financial Position of Banks. Neither IBA nor Bank Managements could cope up with the Distressed Financial Position of Bank created by dishonest NPA Borrowers, at which time the Government poured lakhs of crores rupees in PSU Banks. Present Hon'ble Finance Minister is in charge of Finance Ministry for a long time and is fully aware of the Capacity and Financial Position of Banks. Hon'ble Finance Minister is taking care of entire Indian Economy, including Banking Sector. Hon'ble Finance Minister may take Proper Decision, for which IBA need not worry. In whatever way IBA puts up the Updation Proposal, Hon'ble Finance Minister, with full support of Hon'ble  Prime Minister, is capable of superseding IBA Chairman. 

[Shrinivas Parkar]

Whether RBI Management forwarded Pension Updation Proposal fir their Pensioners to DFS with 'Actuaries Report'? If 'YES', how much time was required for getting such 'Actuaries Report'? 

If 'NO', why IBA is taking 'Actuaries Report' for sending Pension Updation Proposal for Bank Pensioners to the same Authority namely DFS?

[R Balaji]

Yes they are interested to resolve everything in the world except welfare of bank pensioners, who are their members

R BALAJI

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[Debasish Mukherjee]

A racket consisting of a section of senior Bank Executives, IBA officials, a section of Finance ministry officials and unscrupulous UFBU leaders are out to dupe the retirees from every possible way they can and the leaders including BEFI have been purchased with various advantage and facilities by the Banks at the instance of Finance ministry officials so that the leaders shut their voice and the Banks can divert and misuse pension corpus to write off NPAs and deprive the retirees from their legitimate pension updation. This racket has also taken the MOS Finance in their confidence and continue to issue false and fabricated statements of non provision of updation in the regulations/ pension is disbursed from revenue earnings of the Banks etc.other untrue versions. I urge upon all the retirees particularly the most affected segments the pre Nov.

2002 segment to raise their strong voice and post in Social medias as also send tweets to IBA Chairman, F.M. and P.M./PMO exposing the rocket's heinous activities.

Debasish Mukherjee,

mumb...@rediffmail.com

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[KUNAL SINGH KHARAYAT]

No, updation is not possible.

 

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Gone is the Year 2004, when IBA replied to Retirees Association that 'It is not a Policy of IBA to discuss the issues of Retirees with Representatives of Retirees '. At that time, Retirees Association was helpless due to lack of Government Support for the Bank Retirees. But this is Year 2021. Hon'ble Finance Minister has openly come in support of Retirees. I request to Retirees Association to take Aggressive Stand and meet IBA Chairman and ask him, in strong words, to forward Updation Proposal immediately to DFS, with whatever Details Available. 

I say that IBA need not unnecessarily worry about Financial Position of Banks. Neither IBA nor Bank Managements could cope up with the Distressed Financial Position of Bank created by dishonest NPA Borrowers, at which time the Government poured lakhs of crores rupees in PSU Banks. Present Hon'ble Finance Minister is in charge of Finance Ministry for a long time and is fully aware of the Capacity and Financial Position of Banks. Hon'ble Finance Minister is taking care of entire Indian Economy, including Banking Sector. Hon'ble Finance Minister may take Proper Decision, for which IBA need not worry. In whatever way IBA puts up the Updation Proposal, Hon'ble Finance Minister, with full support of Hon'ble  Prime Minister, is capable of superseding IBA Chairman. 

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[Subramani S]

As rightly said by Sri. Shrinivas Parkar, the Govt led by Hon. Prime Minister Shri. Modi ji  has already decided to 

sympathetically look into the matter.  The first result of that is the FPR proposal is under consideration. Work regarding 

Pension Updation should be moving on. For eg. : Soon after the PM came to power in 2014, he announced the Swatch Bharath.

He is continuing with the scheme on an ongoing basis.  Likewise, When the FM openly talked twice about bank seniors, we have 

to be confident that the Govt. we take it to its logical conclusion.  As there is huge cost involvement, it may take a while.

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[LakshmanRao Kantamsetti]

Yes , mukherjee ji 

Criminal case was filed against all these people . The date of hearing is posted to 16th feb . 

( 3 times postponed earlier.)

The name of the petitioner is kept secret due to security reasons.

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[abdul salam]

RTI Reply regarding Bank Privatation. 

[JSOMA SHEKARA]

So as per this reply government has no plans for privatization of public sector banks at present. Why Unions are in hurry to go on strike for two days making employees losing salary, instead of focussing on most important matter of updation of pensioners?

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RTI Reply regarding Bank Privatation. 

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[Bharat B. Sahni]

Just now posted on The Twitter following message

A racket consisting of a section of senior Bank Executives, IBA officials, a section of Finance ministry officials and unscrupulous UFBU leaders are out to dupe the retirees from every possible way they can and the leaders including BEFI have been purchased with various advantage and facilities by the Banks at the instance of Finance ministry officials so that the leaders shut their voice and the Banks can divert and misuse pension corpus to write off NPAs and deprive the retirees from their legitimate pension updation. This racket has also taken the MOS Finance in their confidence and continue to issue false and fabricated statements of non provision of updation in the regulations/ pension is disbursed from revenue earnings of the Banks etc.other untrue versions. I urge upon all the retirees particularly the most affected segments the pre Nov.

2002 segment to raise their strong voice and post in Social medias as also send tweets to IBA Chairman, F.M. and P.M./PMO exposing the rocket's heinous activities.

[Bharat B. Sahni]

Just now posted

On Monday, 15 February 2021 at 15:53:57 UTC+5:30 Debasish Mukherjee wrote:

[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

The.leaders already said that they will not raise the issues of pensioners /retirees.The leaders think that we have joined  bank as pensioners and they have forgotten about the pension scheme /settlement signed by them.IBA and banks say they will not listen /discuss with retirees.A very good habit of mummurthies. IBA and Banks say they are caluculating about funds requirement for the past 25 years.But union leaders say there is no funds 

.I don't know who is maintaining the funds

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[arvind jain]

Is the information true that a criminal case has been filed against IBA, UFBU, DFS and others for not tabled the issue of pension revision in both house of parliament, as per the trail mail.

Arvind Kumar Jain

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[LakshmanRao Kantamsetti]

For not tabling in parliament the law is aborted .

A criminal case is accepted when a crime is committed.  

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[abdul salam]

Reply by A S THAKUR TO T K S ELA. NGOVAN. 

[Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran]

Already more than two months have elapsed.  Still there is no positive news. 

G Ramachandran 

CB-SVRS 

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Reply by A S THAKUR TO T K S ELA. NGOVAN. 

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[Debasish Mukherjee]

Isn't the reply of Anurag Singh Thakur a suspicion one? Anurag Singh Thakur himself is the MOS Finance and very much in the Finance ministry being the junior Finance minister. How could he reply to member of Parliament that member's letter has been forwarded to concern ministry/department?  

Debasish Mukherjee,

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[Krishnamurthy V]

Dear Comrades,  

Age has brought memory loss in the process of thinking after 35 to 45 years working in the banking industry.  We see those who are sitting in the Ministry as goddess of Pension Boon.   From the period of Nehru on Sastri award, VP Singh as finance minister discussion with Com.Tarkeswar, P.Chidambaram's evasive response for payment of revised salary and arrears, slowly erased from our memory.   Finance Ministers remained as breaks or fuses or circuit breakers in the wage revisions.  Memories are short we believe. 

Present Finance Minister is not anyone from heaven.  She makes one promise and respond differently in Parliament.  She answered about 1984 pensioners block payments and Family pension  revision . Deliberately, she did not respond the general revision for other pensioners, which is a part of the first question. She create dreams in us that we are going to get our revision to-morrow  by following the great path of her mentor.   Anyway, keep talking , talking, praising  the devils, who are our road blocks in Delhi and condemning the Unions, which was able to create a life saver PENSION itself.    Can we gather two lakhs signature to high light our plight and our protest over this ill-fated revision -krishnamurthy, Bangalore

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