Vikram Kahan?

[Paul D'Souza]

Dear moderators,

I must congratulate you on getting ole Benji Boy back!  I agree with Arul  - and with some of the wisdom from our uncut gem Vik - with whom I've shared some charming adjectives.  But the best I've had came from the mighty pen of ole Benji,  - I miss them!  Thought his belief in 'Survival of the fittest' had proven to be true and eliminated him  -instead of Vik & self! 
But we really need to keep Vik  -  He has a way of expressing himself.   And we need to ensure that criticism - of any sort - is acceptable in this forum.   Give Vik a second -(and many more chances).

Paul.


 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah <ta....@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Moderators,

with all due respect to your decision and respect for Vikram & Benji (whom i differ with in no mild words)- i think there is nothing wrong in letting our brothers say what is in their minds - if they are willing to back up their claims in responses to issues that they stir up

Benji seems to portend that frequency of print exposure indicates s  ome quality to his writings, while i think there are elements of greatness, i would be a liar to say he oozes greatness and nothing else. (the horoscope and the weather report beat his record- but are they any more reliable sources of informa)

Vic come across to me as a man who can march across the entire battle field (up the hills and through the streams) with not just a foot but both feet in his mouth, while he still manages to say some rare but very wise words.

I guess- all of us here are serious individuals- with the eccentricities that go with extreme seriousness, i hope you re-think the need to ban a vocal brother.

Warm Regards,

Arul
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:54 PM, <bangalo...@gmail.com> wrote:

The moderators have hereby decided to BAN Vikram from this group
inspite of repeated warnings he has continued to abuse the privileges.

Special request to Benji Bhai - Please do not leave this group at
least till May 17, 2008.

Benji Bhai.  We hold you in very high esteem.  We were all brought up
reading your letters to the editors since 25 years ago.

Your writings bring a sense of nostalgia.  Your writings still ring in
our ears.  Remember the one you wrote when the Trinity Complex was
being built in The Trinity Church on MG road.

Stay with us Benji Bhai.  Do not leave us.

Thanks and Regards

On Apr 15, 10:38 am, vikram ka <malachi_...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> ya i have read the article of ambedkar, it exactly suits your nature of thinking. you cannot find anything good happens to a person. you will create your own negative understanding of the sequence. only a person who was leper or blind will know how much humiliation he would have undergone in his life time. and your small brain thinks they will end up chasing women. what an irony way of thinking on the suffering of others.
> vikram
>

> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com>

> Subject: RE: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 10:13 AM
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> have read the piece on ambedkar?
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> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:54:43 +0530

> From: malachi_...@yahoo.co.in

> Subject: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
>
> hi mr benjamin
> sorry i am not (ill) qualified person like you, using a dirty words in an open forum, you have no manners to talk to people, you think you are big genius here, i am having big mouth, but you are having foul mouth which stinks with dirty vocabulary. its better you write your article to some porn magazine. I am not a cheap character person like you who will write good about a person only if he does a favour in your kitchen. whole karnataka knows how clean Mr. Sangliana was as a honest police officer. that itself enough for a person to appreciate. you think writing some crap in a newspaper will get you to a nobel prize?
> keep up to the words what you have uttered "i will quite". so better quite or write another line saying "you are sorry about the sentence saying you will quite".
> the way you are selecting articles are showing you are worse than RSS and shivasena guys. keeping a christian name, you are acting like a Judas here.
> vikram
>

> --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com>

> Subject: RE: Ambedkar & 'the Doer of Good'
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 10:37 AM
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> Mr. Viramadytya,
>  
> Looks like you're a born cynic. Cynicism seems to be there in your gene. And bad-mouthing is your second nature. Knowledge is anathema to you - a knit-wit. You're oneof the few characters in this group who wanted me to prove my credibility. I challenge you to write a piece like the one I've posted today in Deccan Herald or any other prominent papers. I've written three feature articles in DH in the last five days. can you or anybody in this group beat the record?
>  
> yes, I wanted to quit this group. Before that I wanted to know from the moderators how many members there are in it, whether it is a representative group,  or another, I scractch-my-back-you-scratch-mine, type who enjoy the pseudo-intellectual masturbation.
>  
> Now, why are you so obsessed with Sangliana? Has he done any favour to you? Yes, I'll continue to criticise him. You cannot stop me.
>  
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:40:00 +0530
> Subject: Re: Ambedkar & 'the Doer of Good'

> From: vikil...@gmail.com

> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
>
> Mr. PN BENJAMIN
> you said you are quiting this forum, and still why are you here?? when you are not able to keep up your own words why right did you have in criticising Mr. Sangliana?
> vikram
>

> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ambedkar and Oscar Wilde's 'The Doer of Good'
> By P N Benjamin
>
> Several thinkers have speculated on the possible reactions of the founders of great faiths, if they happened to inspect the orders that claim the rights to fly their banners. Oscar Wilde has visualised one such situation in a short piece entitled ‘The Doer of Good’. As we know, the miracles Jesus performed included curing a leper, restoring sight to a blind man and life to a dead one. One night Jesus descends on to the land of his activities. He is attracted into a festive mansion, bursting with luxury. He sees the master of the house lying on a couch of sea-purple, his lips red with wine.
>
> "Why do you live like this?" asked the unexpected visitor. Startled, the young man answered: "But, I was a leper and you healed me. How else should I live?"
>
> Jesus left the mansion in silence. In the street he saw a young man, his eyes bright with lust, chasing a playful damsel. Jesus stopped him. "Why do you look at this woman and such vice?" he demanded. "But I was blind once and you gave me sight. And what else should I look?"
>
> Outside the city Jesus saw a young man seated by roadside, weeping. "Why are you weeping?" he asked. "But I was dead once and you raised me from the dead. What else should I do but weep?"
>
> The utter futility of achievements without an aspiration for a growth in consciousness had never before been stressed so briefly yet so tellingly. Perhaps, a stirring in the memory and sacrifices of the moulders of civilisation could be a faint reminder of the need for that missing quality.
>
> Now let’s imagine Ambedkar returns to India to inspect the plight of Dalits whom he wanted to emancipate. After all, he was the human catalyst of social action against injustice to the suppressed sector of the Indian people whom we, in condescending hypocrisy, call ‘Harijans’ or ‘Dalits’! He was a dynamic figure who devoted himself to the cause of justice, freedom and dignity to the lowliest, the lost and the last in the socio-economic hierarchy, and fought for human rights.
>
> Dalit groups are disorganised
>
> It won’t take much time for him to observe the following facts. "Almost all Dalit political leaders have showered only lip sympathy on the Dalits in order to get their votes, but with no intention of doing anything to ameliorate their conditions. Dalit political groups are totally disorganised. Education has only led to the emergence of a Dalit elite class. Dalit movements have either been absorbed within mainstream parties and splinter groups or else have degenerated into negative militancy. Reservation of seats and jobs has had only a marginal effect on the lives of some members of the vast section of Dalit humanity. It has also led to deliberate attempts to divide the Dalits into a ‘privileged’ minority and the completely ignored massive majority.
>
> "In their blind craze for power, position, profit and pelf the Dalit leaders in every political party have forgotten their primary duty to mobilise and organise the masses against all forms of vested interests. Dalit politicians bereft of any ideology are unwilling to disturb the existing caste equations. These self-seeking status quoits have only aided in pushing the outcastes out of our society, out of the mainstream. Dalit politicians holding very high political posts have in practice proved to be ‘Uncle Toms’ because of the compulsions of Indian polity.
>
> "What I witnesses today is the strange spectacle of these leaders ganging up with those very forces, which are the political representatives of oppressors of the Dalits. There could be no greater betrayal of the millions kept in poverty and privation."
>
> Ambedkar then observes: "Dalits are not a special species of human beings. Their emancipation from poverty and social discrimination and disabilities does not depend upon perpetual special treatment. Like the rest of the poor in India, they have to be taught, helped and made to participate in the process of bettering their lives.
>
> "India will be truly free only when Indians, the last and the least are free. Dalits ask for justice and the Indian elite have to realise that democracy cannot be hypocrisy. And humanists everywhere are vicariously guilty if they do not speak up. ‘Les Miserables’, in their social millions, are a stain and a wound."
>
> Ambedkar will then invite the Dalit leaders and ask them: "What shall we do to ‘change this sorry scheme of things entire and remould it nearer to our heart’s desire?’"
>  
> DECCAN HERALD – Panorama – 14 April 2009
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[bangalo...@gmail.com]

Hi all

Viki has another avatar in our group as Viki Lion. Owing to a general
consensus, we have to respect the views of others and allow the re-
entry of Viki into our group.

Thank you Benji Bhai- We would always love to have you in this group.

Just thought we will share something about simple writing in this
forum. Most often we get carried away with our knowledge and use a
lot of flowery language. But do we really care to understand if
anybody really understands the words we use.

an example. What is this ?

"Two individuals proceeded towards the apex of a natural geologic
protuberance, the purpose of their expedition being the procurement of
a sample of fluid hydride of oxygen in a large vessel, the exact size
of which was unspecified. One member of the team precipitously
descended, sustaining severe damage to the upper cranial portion of
his anatomical structure; Subsequently the second member of the team
performed a self rotational translation oriented in the same direction
taken by the first team member."

Regards

Moderator

On Apr 16, 11:00 pm, "Paul D'Souza" <pgdso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear moderators,
>
> I must congratulate you on getting ole Benji Boy back!  I agree with Arul  -
> and with some of the wisdom from our uncut gem Vik - with whom I've shared
> some charming adjectives.  But the best I've had came from the mighty pen of
> ole Benji,  - I miss them!  Thought his belief in 'Survival of the fittest'
> had proven to be true and eliminated him  -instead of Vik & self!
> But we really need to keep Vik  -  He has a way of expressing himself.   And
> we need to ensure that criticism - of any sort - is acceptable in this
> forum.   Give Vik a second -(and many more chances).
>
> Paul.
>

[Benjamin P N]

Dear Moderator,
I, for one, do not get "carried away with (my peanut worth ) knowledge and use of a lot of flowery language". As you are no doubt aware, for generations it has been left to socially-conscious small-time writers like me to expose the harsh realities of our society. I just use the tools of a writer – imagination, rhetoric, and humour together with a passionate pity for the oppressed, the suppressed and the depressed. These tools have created what we now call a social conscience.
I haven’t had any response to suggestion not to close this group, but to strengthen it for future campaigns. Why no one has responded to the SICHREM fact-finding report on the molestation of young girls in the Claret School? Have you all swallowed it, lock, stock and barrel? Remember, you were quick to term the report of the Citizens’ Forum on Mangalore violence as biased and one-sided!
How many members are there in this group?
P.N.BENJAMIN

 
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:40:59 -0700
> Subject: Re: Vikram Kahan?
> From: bangalo...@gmail.com
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Paul D'Souza]

Benji Boy,
you are getting into the groove again! Great!
Paul.

[bangalo...@gmail.com]

Hi

We have not buried the SICHREM report regarding St. Claret School.
Silence does not amount to an agreement with the report. We are
validating some of our own observations and will soon come out with a
reply. Why we instantly did not want to react is that we wanted to see
if others in this forum have a any inputs on this issue.

Regards

Moderators