Sangliana and his defection

[Benjamin P N]

REMEMBERING SANGLIANA’S DEFECTION
IN THE TIME OF ELECTIONS
 
When the honourable H.T. Sangliana defied the Whip issued by his party and voted in favour of UPA government in Parliament last year, he was indeed perfecting the art of a political acrobat, balancing on the highwire of political opportunism and juggling with his options. He has turned out to be one of the deftest and most agile of all performers in the circus arena of the Indian political system. People like him, with their (often corrupt) sleight of hand and without moral scruple, appearing on one side of fence today and on the other tomorrow, he or she, wears a coat of as many colours as did the biblical Jacob, an can change it as often and as quickly as the chameleon in the tree, according to the prevailing political climate; and always in search of camouflage which is provided by influence, or power.
What Sangliana did was like the vigilant chameleon – who rarely moves a muscle or bats an eyelid – it is usually more a matter of changing colour than position; a matter more political form than substance. It was a question of not of principles, but persons; that of allegiance to cliques and coteries, not policies or programmes, and a loyalty not to party but to power.
It was therefore no surprise to me that Sangliana (Dr.?) defied the Whip. In Indian politics, the opportunist and the turncoat are familiar figures. They make their exits and their entrances on the political stage, sometimes hiding in the wings, sometimes the centre of attention, usually with one script in public and other in private, but the sheer nakedness of it exhibited by a ‘true Christian’ like Sangliana was unique in the Indian political history. One man plays many parts, as Shakespeare puts in As You Like It, an appropriate title in Sangliana’s defection. With an eye on the main chance, and, often, a hand in the public pocket, the floor-crosser and the opportunist wheel and deal in the marketplace of the bargaining process in search of privileges or office, playing havoc with all known landmarks of political left, right and centre.
Do you want such a man as your representative? Today he and his Christian friends who believe in the "onlyness" of Christ ask for votes in the name of his religion, while he goes with his wife "to a Hindu temple before filing his nomination papers" in good faith(see the photo in New Indian Express, 4^th April)!
 
P.N.BENJAMIN

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[Colin Kyte]

You have shown your true colours by stating that Jacob of the bible wore the coat of many colours.if you are so deceptive to misquote the bible who will believe your stories? colin kyte --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Benjamin P N <benja...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Benjamin P N]

many will believe me.
 

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 03:38:48 -0700
From: coli...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Sangliana and his defection

[Benjamin P N]

Dear Mr. Bejamin,
Congratulations.

What a write-up!

The renegade has to be reminded how he got entry into the Parliament.

A super cop-as he was really so,how could he drop his principles ?

Him, whom he defeated,   is the same person with whom he shares the dias now!

The maker will teach him a lesson.

Thankig You,

Very Sincerely yours,

k n ramachander

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 6:36 PM, ramdyu . <ram...@sify.com> wrote:

 

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Subject: Sangliana and his defection

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:26:17 +0530

[Benjamin P N]

Dear Mr. Colin Kyte,
 
Why are you silent about the 'born again' Christian Sangliana,the renegade, ( whose 'doctorate itself is suspect,)for violating the the most important commandment that "you shall not have another God: "I am the Lord your God, who shall  not have any other gods before me." "You shall not bow down to them and worship them"
 
Why did Sangliana go before a Hindu god for his blessings?
 
As for me I am a Hindu by culture, Christian by faith and Indian by citizenship.
 
P.N.BENJAMIN

 

 

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 03:38:48 -0700
From: coli...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Sangliana and his defection

[Paul D'Souza]

Mr. Benjamin, could you please help us with suggesting a suitable candidate and party to vote for.
Thanks,
Paul.

[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Dear Benjamin,

The apostle Paul lived and preached in the temple of Astra for 2 years. His work was seen as a threat by the peddlers of temple artifacts - the temple secretary waxed eloquent that Paul had not blasphemed their goddess. Read the passage (ask me if you dont know where it is) and decide if you agree with the Temple Secretary's report any more or less than the news paper photo of Dr Sanglina and his wife.

I do not know Dr Sanglina personally but am amazed that you think that a photo is evidence of worship!

Warm Regards,

Arul
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"Here I stand; I can do no otherwise. God help me. Amen!"

Martin Luther (1483–1546)
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[Benjamin P N]

Dear Arul,
 
Thanks for referring me to to the work of St. paul. Unfortunately, I have no time to do a research on it. Instead, I am concerned and trying to do in my own small way about the happenings just in front of us - about our own countrymen struggling with the barest, elementary problems of existence - hunger, homelessness, unemployment and debts.
 
I am no Bible scholar and do not want to be one. I have been fortunaste to learn the Bible and its messages at the feet of some of the best scholars. Let us not enter into a debate on that issue.
 
P.N.BENJAMIN
 

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:45:47 +0530

Subject: Re: Sangliana and his defection

From: ta....@gmail.com
To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Dear Benjamin,

Thanks for your quick reply.

How do you think we can address the problems of existence - hunger, homelessness, unemployment and debts?

Shall we stop attacking Sangliana a comrade in the same struggle to see a better india?

Arul
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[bangalo...@gmail.com]

This is an open letter that needs a reply from H. T. Sangliana.
Answer these 15 questions and the people may vote for you to enter the
15th Loksabha. Let us also admit that the voters have no choice,
because the others in the fray in the Bangalore Central are bigger
rogues than you. We are not attacking you in person. We are only
showing you the mirror. What you see in the mirror may not be to your
liking, but cannot be ignored.

1. In what way have you contributed to Bangalore. You as an MP
enjoyed all the privileges for the past 4.5 years and did not care
about the common man. Bangalore has all sorts of people, the rights
of the poor did not matter to you. You could have been a voice for
the helpless, but you chose to ignore them and now they may ignore
you.
2. You are a communal person who exploits religion for personal
gains. In the first place you vulgarized the Christian faith by
calling the party you then joined as the Bharatiya Jesus Party.
Christians were attacked all along. You were busy flirting with the
party. Where were you when Christians were attacked during Benny
Hinn’s visit to Bangalore, where were you when baseless allegations
were made against the management of St. Clarets School. Where were
you when St. Annes college was vandalized. (these are just some of
the instances). Now all of a sudden, when you are thrown out of BJP,
you have taken up the Christian cause. Christians are better off
without identifying with hypocrites like you. The community has been
following your approach to the recent communal riots. You appointed
yourself as a Christian leader and took up the cause, and in between
you secretly parleyed with the VHP leaders and changed your tone, not
for the benefit of the Christians but to further your selfish agenda.
3. Post Tsunami, you were holidaying in the United States. It perhaps
did not matter how many poor people lost their lives and livelihood.
4. Instead of being a light to the community you were a nuisance. Ask
the management of Christian institutions. You pressurized the
institutions with demands for admission to every Tom, Dick, and
Harry. Did you not know that the minority institutions are managed
with a lot of constraints and admissions are provided only to the
needy and deserving. You wrote a letter to the Principal of Baldwin
Methodist College not only recommending a seat for a candidate who did
not deserve to be even allowed entry into the campus. You also in
your letter insisted that the annual fee be waivered. Come May 16,
and the managements of Christian schools and colleges are going to be
a relieved lot. You even wrote letters to the Management of St.
John's Medical College recommending candidates for MBBS seats. Okay,
we will excuse your ignorance. But then you should have even
discussed the problems of these minority institutions in Parliament.
That is why on Friday's they have what is known as a "zero hour" in
Parliament.
5. As a member of parliament what have you done to improve the lives
of the poor and the down trodden in society. Did you utilize the MP
LAD funds for education, empowerment of the downtrodden. Did you
spend any money for skill development of the people. We would have
been proud if you had spent the money on improving the Government
Schools and Government Hospitals.
This is where the poor people go for education and healthcare. This
is where the toppers in the Civil Services come from, not from the
hyped International Schools. You may claim that you are the only MP
to avail treatment from Bowring Hospital in Bangalore. Granted that
is good. But we would have appreciated if you had made surprise
visits to the general wards of these hospitals and enquired with the
patients about the facilities. The ESI hospital is in your
constituency in Indira Nagar. This is where thousands of poor people
from your constituency avail treatment. Have you ever paid a surprise
visit to this hospital. Did you make a study of the conditions in
these hospitals. You could have raised issues like these in
Parliament and sought more grants for improving the facilities in
these hospitals.
6. Your tenure has made no difference to the common man. You did not
raise a strong voice against corruption and inefficiency of the
administration. The Police are the most corrupt, on par with BESCOM,
BWSSB, and BBMP.
7. The questions you raised in the house of parliament are
ridiculous. Being an MP from Karnataka you always raised issues
pertaining to the Mizo’s. One of the questions you have raised is
about the quality of food served on Indian Airlines flights flying to
the North-East (Mizoram). You spent most of your time trying to find
a site for the Mizo community to have a Mizo Center in Bangalore. We
have copies of the letters that you have written in this regard to the
Commissioner of BDA. There are lakhs of poor without a roof over
their heads, but you turned a blind eye and were busy scouting for a
Mizo Center.
8. Your ignorance is revealed by the kind of questions you have raised
in Parliament. Even a 10std kid knows that the BSRB was scrapped more
than a decade ago. You raising this in the Question hour is down
right ridiculous. Check this link to see the baseless questions you
have raised in parliament. http://164.100.47.132/psearch/qsearch14.aspx
9. You are a very selfish man with a personal agenda, you have great
dreams but your pride may be responsible for your downfall.
http://emizoram.com/news/?p=393
10. You claim to have a clean image, but the reality is different.
Most of your MPLAD construction activities went to a close
controversial friend of yours, who made the money and spent a part on
you. Is this not shameful. What is corruption then?
11. As an MP you had the privilege of recommending two seats in the
Kendriya Vidyala Schools every year. Tell us, did the poor and the
needy get even a single seat in your tenure. These seats were sold,
perhaps without your knowledge. People have paid around 50,000 rupees
for a seat to your office. The seats invariably were given to the
rich and they showered you with gifts. There was no transparency in
allotting these seats. What is favoritism then?. What sort of a clean
image is this? We would have been proud if the really needy and the
poor in society were offered these seats.
12. You claim to have spent the MPLADs money on social causes. You
claim to have sanctioned 100s of borewells. But who gained from this?
it is you. According to your expenses on each borewell is 1 lac
rupees. Everyone who has gone for a borewell knows that it does not
cost more than 70 max, all inclusive, for a 500 ft well. Where did
the remaining 30, 000 x 100 go????. Do you have a justification.
13. Every contractor who executed the works for you shares the trauma
of continuous harassment from your office for the commission on each
contract work awarded.
14. Now you have joined a party which until recently was anathema for
you. You claim you voted for the UPA with the national interest in
mind. But we do not accept this. This is sheer political
opportunism. If you had any national interest you in the first place
would not have joined the BJP. It was the dream of a cabinet post in
the event of them coming to power that made you join them. If you had
any national interests you should have resigned from the Lok Sabha
immediately after the confidence vote.
15. The Member of Parliament is more than an individual, it is an
institution. You did not utilize this privilege given to you. You
were only greedy for more power. You could have Made a Difference but
you have miserably failed. Like the simpleton in the parable of the
talents, you played safe by burying your talents.

With the above facts in mind, should the voters select Sangliana
again.

[Benjamin P N]

I do not consider Sangliana a comrade in the same struggle.
 

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:15:53 +0530

[Benjamin P N]

After reading this charge-sheet who'll vote for Sangliana the Great who has a doctorate to his credit?
 
P.N.BENJAMIN
 
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:46:33 -0700

> Subject: Re: Sangliana and his defection

> From: bangalo...@gmail.com
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Hi Benjamin, 

What is the plan of action- i am not interested in Sangliana bashing

Benjamin Benjamin - What are your credentials- what have you done, besides Sangliana bashing?

Arul

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[Benjamin P N]

Do I have to tell you what my credential are? Do I have to stoop to that level?What do I gain out of it? You are an unknown entity in Bangalore and elsewhere. I have never come across your name anywhere during the past 45 years in Bangalore.
 
PNBENJAMIN
 

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:45:24 +0530

Subject: Re: Sangliana and his defection

From: ta....@gmail.com
To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Paul D'Souza]

Hi Benji,
I think you are accurately echoing Sangliana's thoughts! he would'nt stoop to the levels you refer to! He has nothing to  gain from you. Stop putting out another's candle  - that yours might shine brighter.   You've got a whopping impression of yourself mate!
Paul

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Benjamin P N <benja...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Do I have to tell you what my credential are? Do I have to stoop to that level?What do I gain out of it? You are an unknown entity in Bangalore and elsewhere. I have never come across your name anywhere during the past 45 years in Bangalore.
 
PNBENJAMIN
 

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[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Dear PNBENJAMIN,

i am an unknown entity - :) 

now tell us what you can do besides go on and on about Sangliana's supposed faults!!!

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[Benjamin P N]

Ignore you, that's all I can do now. For a change, read the letter in today's Deccan Herald. It's not Sangliana-bashing.
 
PNB
 

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:20:50 +0530

[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

ok ok- it is not  Sangliana-bashing, now do you have anything more helpful to say other than that 1) you are not  Sangliana-bashing. after doing that all the while 2) you are not a bible scholar but you will cite bible verses to point a booger picking finger at  Sangliana!

Seriously- help me an unknown entity to understand your political philosophy  (or your lack of one!)

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[Benjamin P N]

Thank you Mr. Paul. No doubt, I have "got a whopping impression of" myself. Then, putting out another's candle? Is it not better than holding a candle for a Mizo-centric born-again Christian.
 
Unfortunately you're responding to a mail meant for one Arul in this group.
 
PNB
 

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:31:39 +0530

Subject: Re: Sangliana and his defection

From: pgds...@gmail.com
To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Dear Mr PNB,

With all due respect for your opinion, do you or do you not have anything to say - beyond harping about all the supposed faults of Sangliana?

Warm Regards,

Arul
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[Benjamin P N]

Dear Mr. Arul,
 
Sangliana claims that he is a good man, he claims he is a good Christain and heclaims he defected to Congress according to the dictates of his conscience. Sangliana is a great man, say many people. Because his gretness he has not replied to the charges levelled against him by several members of this group. Please use your influence on him and ask him to clarify his position. I shall forward his reply to more than a thousand of my e-mail contacts to whom I have been sending the Sangliana bashing regularly. That means he'll be able to convince at least a thousand people easily who'll then vote for him.He does'nt have to waste time trying to meet them personally. I'll gladly do that job......
 
OK, Arul?  Anything more you'd want me to do?
 
 
Warm regards (in the midst of this mid-summer madness)
 
PNBENJAMIN

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:23:50 +0530

Subject: Re: Sangliana and his defection

From: ta....@gmail.com
To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Peter]

Disclaimer: The following is the personal opinion of the author and
is NOT necessarily endorsed by H. T. Sangliana and is written WITHOUT
his consultation.

I take the liberty to write this not because he has done any great
favors for me, but simply because I see an innocent man maligned and I
want to place the records straight.

John 7:53 – 8:11. (Jesus and the woman taken in adultery). I am sure
most people can recognize the message in this passage. It is
FORGIVENESS. It is not a granted permission to sin. It is also very
relevant to mention that salvation comes to us not through the
successes of Christ, but ironically through His suffering on the
Cross.


We are all mortal human and nobody is god. After analyzing the
allegations made against H. T. Sangliana, I attempt to make an
unbiased assessment of the present scenario. What is all the elections
about, and why are some people baying for his blood. Ultimately, if
elected, he again becomes a Member of Parliament. Is the Parliament a
pristine organization of saints. Are the members present and past an
epitome of immaculate living. It would only be foolish on our part to
think of such a Utopian scenario. Before we throw stones at
Sangliana, let us pause for a while and take stock as to whether we
ourselves are without any blemish in our conduct.

I have no means available to me to verify the allegations. Broadly I
can only categorize them into two categories.
1. Commissions.- Some of the acts that he has supposed to have done.
2. Ommissions. – Some of the actions which he has failed to take.

Having observed H. T. Sangliana for a very long time I can personally
vouch for his integrity. He has been in public life long before I was
born. He is a very innocent man. It is possible (very hypothetical)
that some of the people whom he would have trusted, have let him
down. In all good faith Sangliana would have entrusted some
responsibilities and these people would have misused that trust. Yes,
he is the poorest Member of Parliament. Honestly a retired life would
have been more comfortable for him and definitely if his intention was
to make money in public life, he could have quietly accepted the 3
crores that was offered during the trust vote and would have withdrawn
from politics and would have been chilling out in Hawaii now; having
the last laugh watching the Indian political scene from a distance.

He has boldly chosen to come back to the people. One thing must be
made clear that he has never sought votes on the basis of religion or
language. In public life he has respected all faiths.

Today, we have a choice before us. We ignore him or again repose our
trust in him. The former would amount to lying down on the ground
face up, looking at the stars and spitting in the air. The
consequence of this act is obvious. The second choice is to extend
our whole hearted support for a good human being and entrust him with
more responsibilities by electing him.

Let us all come together and form a Watch Dog committee to monitor his
performance. Vote for him today and tomorrow if you have a reasonable
request and he ignores you, come to me and hold me by my collar and
then let us together go to him, remind him of his promises.

Sangliana is one of us. Let us vote for him and believe me “a known
devil is better than an unknown angel”.

Regards

Peter

( I am only human I have no pretensions of being a saint.)

[bangalo...@gmail.com]

The fate of about 37 candidates who contested the Bangalore Central
Loksabha seat is in the strongroom of Mount Carmel College. True to
the story of the cats and monkey, where in the cats fought among
themselves and the monkey walked away with the bread, this is what is
going to happen here.

The pride and overconfidence of one man is going to be his own
downfall. Sangliana the Congress candidate is going to bite the dust
and the BJP candidate is going to have the last laugh, scampering
across the victory line.

The counting can be tracked online at www.eci.gov.in on Saturday May
16,2009. There should be a clear trend available by 9 AM and the
Results will be out by 11:00

We love the Congress party, but it forced an unacceptable candidate
over us. We voters are not fools. This verdict is not a vote for BJP
but a rejection of the Congress candidate.

The overall national scenario is going to throw a hung parliament. It
would ultimately mean a rejection of the UPA rule. The Congress party
should respect the verdict of the people and sit in the opposition.
It should not make up numbers with any coalition, because each party
will ask for its pound of flesh and managing a hotch potch coalition
is a herculean task.

The Congress should leave all this headache to the NDA which will
ultimately collapse on its own and we will have a re-election in less
than 2 years.

The voters will then prefer the Congress party and give it a
overwhelming majority to rule.


Having achieved the purpose of this group, we the Bangalore voters
thank all the members who have contributed to a meaningful sharing.
Especially Benji, Paul, Arul, Viki, and all. It has been great
knowing you guys. We have poured our hearts out and had a good
sharing. Must say that all good things should come to an end. We will
be closing this group by the end of May.

We hold no prejudice against anyone and signing off with the anonymous
connect

Yours with love

Bangalore Voters.