RE: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?

[Benjamin P N]

have read the piece on ambedkar?
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:54:43 +0530
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Subject: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?
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hi mr benjamin sorry i am not (ill) qualified person like you, using a dirty words in an open forum, you have no manners to talk to people, you think you are big genius here, i am having big mouth, but you are having foul mouth which stinks with dirty vocabulary. its better you write your article to some porn magazine. I am not a cheap character person like you who will write good about a person only if he does a favour in your kitchen. whole karnataka knows how clean Mr. Sangliana was as a honest police officer. that itself enough for a person to appreciate. you think writing some crap in a newspaper will get you to a nobel prize? keep up to the words what you have uttered "i will quite". so better quite or write another line saying "you are sorry about the sentence saying you will quite". the way you are selecting articles are showing you are worse than RSS and shivasena guys. keeping a christian name, you are acting like a Judas here. vikram --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Benjamin P N <benja...@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Benjamin P N <benja...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Ambedkar & 'the Doer of Good' To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 10:37 AM Mr. Viramadytya,   Looks like you're a born cynic. Cynicism seems to be there in your gene. And bad-mouthing is your second nature. Knowledge is anathema to you - a knit-wit. You're oneof the few characters in this group who wanted me to prove my credibility. I challenge you to write a piece like the one I've posted today in Deccan Herald or any other prominent papers. I've written three feature articles in DH in the last five days. can you or anybody in this group beat the record?   yes, I wanted to quit this group. Before that I wanted to know from the moderators how many members there are in it, whether it is a representative group,  or another, I scractch-my-back-you-scratch-mine, type who enjoy the pseudo-intellectual masturbation.   Now, why are you so obsessed with Sangliana? Has he done any favour to you? Yes, I'll continue to criticise him. You cannot stop me.   Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:40:00 +0530 Subject: Re: Ambedkar & 'the Doer of Good' From: viki...@gmail.com To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com Mr. PN BENJAMIN you said you are quiting this forum, and still why are you here?? when you are not able to keep up your own words why right did you have in criticising Mr. Sangliana? vikram On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Benjamin P N <benja...@hotmail.com> wrote: Ambedkar and Oscar Wilde's 'The Doer of Good' By P N Benjamin Several thinkers have speculated on the possible reactions of the founders of great faiths, if they happened to inspect the orders that claim the rights to fly their banners. Oscar Wilde has visualised one such situation in a short piece entitled ‘The Doer of Good’. As we know, the miracles Jesus performed included curing a leper, restoring sight to a blind man and life to a dead one. One night Jesus descends on to the land of his activities. He is attracted into a festive mansion, bursting with luxury. He sees the master of the house lying on a couch of sea-purple, his lips red with wine. "Why do you live like this?" asked the unexpected visitor. Startled, the young man answered: "But, I was a leper and you healed me. How else should I live?" Jesus left the mansion in silence. In the street he saw a young man, his eyes bright with lust, chasing a playful damsel. Jesus stopped him. "Why do you look at this woman and such vice?" he demanded. "But I was blind once and you gave me sight. And what else should I look?" Outside the city Jesus saw a young man seated by roadside, weeping. "Why are you weeping?" he asked. "But I was dead once and you raised me from the dead. What else should I do but weep?" The utter futility of achievements without an aspiration for a growth in consciousness had never before been stressed so briefly yet so tellingly. Perhaps, a stirring in the memory and sacrifices of the moulders of civilisation could be a faint reminder of the need for that missing quality. Now let’s imagine Ambedkar returns to India to inspect the plight of Dalits whom he wanted to emancipate. After all, he was the human catalyst of social action against injustice to the suppressed sector of the Indian people whom we, in condescending hypocrisy, call ‘Harijans’ or ‘Dalits’! He was a dynamic figure who devoted himself to the cause of justice, freedom and dignity to the lowliest, the lost and the last in the socio-economic hierarchy, and fought for human rights. Dalit groups are disorganised It won’t take much time for him to observe the following facts. "Almost all Dalit political leaders have showered only lip sympathy on the Dalits in order to get their votes, but with no intention of doing anything to ameliorate their conditions. Dalit political groups are totally disorganised. Education has only led to the emergence of a Dalit elite class. Dalit movements have either been absorbed within mainstream parties and splinter groups or else have degenerated into negative militancy. Reservation of seats and jobs has had only a marginal effect on the lives of some members of the vast section of Dalit humanity. It has also led to deliberate attempts to divide the Dalits into a ‘privileged’ minority and the completely ignored massive majority. "In their blind craze for power, position, profit and pelf the Dalit leaders in every political party have forgotten their primary duty to mobilise and organise the masses against all forms of vested interests. Dalit politicians bereft of any ideology are unwilling to disturb the existing caste equations. These self-seeking status quoits have only aided in pushing the outcastes out of our society, out of the mainstream. Dalit politicians holding very high political posts have in practice proved to be ‘Uncle Toms’ because of the compulsions of Indian polity. "What I witnesses today is the strange spectacle of these leaders ganging up with those very forces, which are the political representatives of oppressors of the Dalits. There could be no greater betrayal of the millions kept in poverty and privation." Ambedkar then observes: "Dalits are not a special species of human beings. Their emancipation from poverty and social discrimination and disabilities does not depend upon perpetual special treatment. Like the rest of the poor in India, they have to be taught, helped and made to participate in the process of bettering their lives. "India will be truly free only when Indians, the last and the least are free. Dalits ask for justice and the Indian elite have to realise that democracy cannot be hypocrisy. And humanists everywhere are vicariously guilty if they do not speak up. ‘Les Miserables’, in their social millions, are a stain and a wound." Ambedkar will then invite the Dalit leaders and ask them: "What shall we do to ‘change this sorry scheme of things entire and remould it nearer to our heart’s desire?’"   DECCAN HERALD – Panorama – 14 April 2009 Windows Live Messenger. Multitasking at its finest. Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger.</a

[Benjamin P N]

Dear Moderators,
 
Please remove my name from the group with immediate effect. I have tried to unsubscribe from the group several times. Please do something about it immediately
 
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[vikram ka]

ya i have read the article of ambedkar, it exactly suits your nature of thinking. you cannot find anything good happens to a person. you will create your own negative understanding of the sequence. only a person who was leper or blind will know how much humiliation he would have undergone in his life time. and your small brain thinks they will end up chasing women. what an irony way of thinking on the suffering of others. vikram

--- On Wed, 15/4/09, Benjamin P N <benja...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Benjamin P N <benja...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean? To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 10:13 AM

have read the piece on ambedkar?

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The moderators have hereby decided to BAN Vikram from this group
inspite of repeated warnings he has continued to abuse the privileges.

Special request to Benji Bhai - Please do not leave this group at
least till May 17, 2008.

Benji Bhai. We hold you in very high esteem. We were all brought up
reading your letters to the editors since 25 years ago.

Your writings bring a sense of nostalgia. Your writings still ring in
our ears. Remember the one you wrote when the Trinity Complex was
being built in The Trinity Church on MG road.

Stay with us Benji Bhai. Do not leave us.

Thanks and Regards

On Apr 15, 10:38 am, vikram ka <malachi_...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> ya i have read the article of ambedkar, it exactly suits your nature of thinking. you cannot find anything good happens to a person. you will create your own negative understanding of the sequence. only a person who was leper or blind will know how much humiliation he would have undergone in his life time. and your small brain thinks they will end up chasing women. what an irony way of thinking on the suffering of others.
> vikram
>

> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> From: Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 10:13 AM
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> have read the piece on ambedkar?
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> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:54:43 +0530

> From: malachi_...@yahoo.co.in

> Subject: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
>
> hi mr benjamin
> sorry i am not (ill) qualified person like you, using a dirty words in an open forum, you have no manners to talk to people, you think you are big genius here, i am having big mouth, but you are having foul mouth which stinks with dirty vocabulary. its better you write your article to some porn magazine. I am not a cheap character person like you who will write good about a person only if he does a favour in your kitchen. whole karnataka knows how clean Mr. Sangliana was as a honest police officer. that itself enough for a person to appreciate. you think writing some crap in a newspaper will get you to a nobel prize?
> keep up to the words what you have uttered "i will quite". so better quite or write another line saying "you are sorry about the sentence saying you will quite".
> the way you are selecting articles are showing you are worse than RSS and shivasena guys. keeping a christian name, you are acting like a Judas here.
> vikram
>

> --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> From: Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Ambedkar & 'the Doer of Good'
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 10:37 AM
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> Mr. Viramadytya,
>  
> Looks like you're a born cynic. Cynicism seems to be there in your gene. And bad-mouthing is your second nature. Knowledge is anathema to you - a knit-wit. You're oneof the few characters in this group who wanted me to prove my credibility. I challenge you to write a piece like the one I've posted today in Deccan Herald or any other prominent papers. I've written three feature articles in DH in the last five days. can you or anybody in this group beat the record?
>  
> yes, I wanted to quit this group. Before that I wanted to know from the moderators how many members there are in it, whether it is a representative group,  or another, I scractch-my-back-you-scratch-mine, type who enjoy the pseudo-intellectual masturbation.
>  
> Now, why are you so obsessed with Sangliana? Has he done any favour to you? Yes, I'll continue to criticise him. You cannot stop me.
>  
>

> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:40:00 +0530
> Subject: Re: Ambedkar & 'the Doer of Good'

> From: vikil...@gmail.com

> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com
>
> Mr. PN BENJAMIN
> you said you are quiting this forum, and still why are you here?? when you are not able to keep up your own words why right did you have in criticising Mr. Sangliana?
> vikram
>

> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Benjamin P N <benjami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ambedkar and Oscar Wilde's 'The Doer of Good'
> By P N Benjamin
>
> Several thinkers have speculated on the possible reactions of the founders of great faiths, if they happened to inspect the orders that claim the rights to fly their banners. Oscar Wilde has visualised one such situation in a short piece entitled ‘The Doer of Good’. As we know, the miracles Jesus performed included curing a leper, restoring sight to a blind man and life to a dead one. One night Jesus descends on to the land of his activities. He is attracted into a festive mansion, bursting with luxury. He sees the master of the house lying on a couch of sea-purple, his lips red with wine.
>
> "Why do you live like this?" asked the unexpected visitor. Startled, the young man answered: "But, I was a leper and you healed me. How else should I live?"
>
> Jesus left the mansion in silence. In the street he saw a young man, his eyes bright with lust, chasing a playful damsel. Jesus stopped him. "Why do you look at this woman and such vice?" he demanded. "But I was blind once and you gave me sight. And what else should I look?"
>
> Outside the city Jesus saw a young man seated by roadside, weeping. "Why are you weeping?" he asked. "But I was dead once and you raised me from the dead. What else should I do but weep?"
>
> The utter futility of achievements without an aspiration for a growth in consciousness had never before been stressed so briefly yet so tellingly. Perhaps, a stirring in the memory and sacrifices of the moulders of civilisation could be a faint reminder of the need for that missing quality.
>
> Now let’s imagine Ambedkar returns to India to inspect the plight of Dalits whom he wanted to emancipate. After all, he was the human catalyst of social action against injustice to the suppressed sector of the Indian people whom we, in condescending hypocrisy, call ‘Harijans’ or ‘Dalits’! He was a dynamic figure who devoted himself to the cause of justice, freedom and dignity to the lowliest, the lost and the last in the socio-economic hierarchy, and fought for human rights.
>
> Dalit groups are disorganised
>
> It won’t take much time for him to observe the following facts. "Almost all Dalit political leaders have showered only lip sympathy on the Dalits in order to get their votes, but with no intention of doing anything to ameliorate their conditions. Dalit political groups are totally disorganised. Education has only led to the emergence of a Dalit elite class. Dalit movements have either been absorbed within mainstream parties and splinter groups or else have degenerated into negative militancy. Reservation of seats and jobs has had only a marginal effect on the lives of some members of the vast section of Dalit humanity. It has also led to deliberate attempts to divide the Dalits into a ‘privileged’ minority and the completely ignored massive majority.
>
> "In their blind craze for power, position, profit and pelf the Dalit leaders in every political party have forgotten their primary duty to mobilise and organise the masses against all forms of vested interests. Dalit politicians bereft of any ideology are unwilling to disturb the existing caste equations. These self-seeking status quoits have only aided in pushing the outcastes out of our society, out of the mainstream. Dalit politicians holding very high political posts have in practice proved to be ‘Uncle Toms’ because of the compulsions of Indian polity.
>
> "What I witnesses today is the strange spectacle of these leaders ganging up with those very forces, which are the political representatives of oppressors of the Dalits. There could be no greater betrayal of the millions kept in poverty and privation."
>
> Ambedkar then observes: "Dalits are not a special species of human beings. Their emancipation from poverty and social discrimination and disabilities does not depend upon perpetual special treatment. Like the rest of the poor in India, they have to be taught, helped and made to participate in the process of bettering their lives.
>
> "India will be truly free only when Indians, the last and the least are free. Dalits ask for justice and the Indian elite have to realise that democracy cannot be hypocrisy. And humanists everywhere are vicariously guilty if they do not speak up. ‘Les Miserables’, in their social millions, are a stain and a wound."
>
> Ambedkar will then invite the Dalit leaders and ask them: "What shall we do to ‘change this sorry scheme of things entire and remould it nearer to our heart’s desire?’"
>  
> DECCAN HERALD – Panorama – 14 April 2009
>

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[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Dear Moderators,

with all due respect to your decision and respect for Vikram & Benji (whom i differ with in no mild words)- i think there is nothing wrong in letting our brothers say what is in their minds - if they are willing to back up their claims in responses to issues that they stir up

Benji seems to portend that frequency of print exposure indicates some quality to his writings, while i think there are elements of greatness, i would be a liar to say he oozes greatness and nothing else. (the horoscope and the weather report beat his record- but are they any more reliable sources of informa)

Vic come across to me as a man who can march across the entire battle field (up the hills and through the streams) with not just a foot but both feet in his mouth, while he still manages to say some rare but very wise words.

I guess- all of us here are serious individuals- with the eccentricities that go with extreme seriousness, i hope you re-think the need to ban a vocal brother.

Warm Regards,

Arul
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[Benjamin P N]

Thank you, Moderators. I accede to your appeal. I'll stay on.Why do you want to wind up this group? It should be an ongoing process. We'll be able do  a lot in the coming years. This group should not be  something like a mushrooms that sprouts after a rain. Despite our differences, we must stay alive and united. You cannot fight a well entrenched system of thugs-criminals-politicians , opportunists, sycophants etc.who'll sell you for 30 pieces of silve unless you and I are ready to  fight a long battle and stop them in their tracks. I'll share my thoughts and concerns in the days to come. I apologise to everyone whom I have hurt in some of my interventions and postings.
 
With all good wishes
 
PN BENJAMIN
 
PS:  I enjoy your calling me BENJIBHAI> I'll remain your Bhai in the days to come, for sure.
 
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:24:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?
> From: bangalo...@gmail.com
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Benjamin P N]

Mr. John Dayal, the Indian Christian leader, asked me the following questions:
who pays you, pnb
sorry i had to ask because of your statement
this is my frst and last personal barb at you
god bless you
john dayal
ps: everyone and his uncle are invited to inspect my bank accounts, my home almirahs and my income tax
 
 
Here’s my reply to him
Dear John
Many in Bangalore know who pays me. So does my conscience. I've been in this city's public life for the past 45 years, as a bank employee, trade union activist, Communist fellow-traveller, small-time free-lance writer, and now into (‘the business’of) promoting inter-religious dialogue, religious tolerance etc. inspired by the life and work of the late Rev. Dr. Stanley Samartha, the "Christian prophet of religious pluralism".
I have received not a single paisa from any foreign or Indian organisations. BIRD runs its work with small individual contributions from it well-wishers. I am presently working as part-time public relations manager at the Hindustan Aviation Academy, Marathahalli, Bangalore. And I live in a rented apartment and have from one apartment/house about 15 times in the last 14 years since my retirement from ANZ Grindlays Bank in 1995. My daughter looks after me and my wife at present.
I receive a paltry sum of Rs. 2800/- from the bank and Rs.10,000/- from my present employer. I spend this money for my medical expenses, telephone charges for the work of BIRD etc. I do not travel outside Bangalore. I have not yet been able to visit my bed-ridden widowed elder sister in Kerala because I cannot afford to do it with my limited income. Her husband was a senior well-respected presbyter of the Church of South India, Central Kerala Diocese. He died two years ago.
But, people like you - especially the neo-Christian saints and saviours - are past-masters in concealing their incomes and expenses, while travelling around the world to spit venom against Hindus, their Gods and goddesses, their rituals and seeking funds from the naive fundamentalist Christians in the western countries for bringing the light of Jesus into this Area of Darkness - my motherland India.
Be that as it may, don’t you remember the challenge I threw at you to join me for peace mission to Khandamal last year? You wriggled out of it. You had no guts.
Self-styled and unscrupulous leaders of Indian Christian community like you , Sajan George and others have been using ordinary Christians as cannon fodder for their narrow and selfish ends. (Incidentally, is Sajan George a medical doctor?) You claim to be spokesmen and defenders of the Christian Faith and the Indian Christian community spread distress and division and to all appearances, enjoy the grace and favour of the Central Government. This encouragement helps the growth of powerful elements of separatism and disunity.
One last point. Many of those who were behind forming BIRD and encouraging dialogue between RSS and Christians in Bangalore were and still are some of your close friends. During the NDA regime we could intervene through the personal contacts I had built up with the RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal leaders from the days of Indiara Gandhi’s infamous Emergency days and help IAN STILLMAN and Fr. Harry Stocks to a large extent – the former’s release from jail and the cancellation of the latter’s expulsion from India on charges of alleged conversion activities. That is another story.
May God bless you, John.
P.N.BENJAMIN

 
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:24:53 -0700

> Subject: Re: why have you not quite Mr. Bejamin or Mr. benji-mean?
> From: bangalo...@gmail.com
> To: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Dear Sir Benji,

Why do you answer question that were not raised on this forum and then ignore the sincere questions asked on this forum?

Warm Regards,

Arul

[Benjamin P N]

Your questions do not deserve my answers. I am a very small fellow in your estimation, out to get some publicity. I have several serous groups to post my writings. Enough is enough. The moderators have NOT answered my questions - the details of the members of this forum.
 
PNB
 

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[Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah]

Dear Benji,

Both wisdom and stupidity have no age bar!

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[Benjamin P N]

Thank you for suffering me so long. I dont want to be part  of 27member STRONG stupid group. I'll not post any of my stupid pieces in this group. I have better things to do with Aruls and his extras.....THANK YOU. BYE , BYE
 
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