Re: Why worry about a speck in our brother's eye, when we have a board in our's (Sangliana and his
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Joseph Veigas
Apr 7, 2009, 12:33:15 AM4/7/09
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Dear Mr Peter
Your views on Sangliana issue reflects Christian spirit, may God enlighten us to close this unpleasant discussion.
Veigas--Bangalore
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 Peter wrote :
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>Disclaimer: The following is the personal opinion of the author and
>is NOT necessarily endorsed by H. T. Sangliana and is written WITHOUT
>his consultation.
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>I take the liberty to write this not because he has done any great
>favors for me, but simply because I see an innocent man maligned and I
>want to place the records straight.
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>John 7:53 – 8:11. (Jesus and the woman taken in adultery). I am sure
>most people can recognize the message in this passage. It is
>FORGIVENESS. It is not a granted permission to sin. It is also very
>relevant to mention that salvation comes to us not through the
>successes of Christ, but ironically through His suffering on the
>Cross.
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>We are all mortal human and nobody is god. After analyzing the
>allegations made against H. T. Sangliana, I attempt to make an
>unbiased assessment of the present scenario. What is all the elections
>about, and why are some people baying for his blood. Ultimately, if
>elected, he again becomes a Member of Parliament. Is the Parliament a
>pristine organization of saints. Are the members present and past an
>epitome of immaculate living. It would only be foolish on our part to
>think of such a Utopian scenario. Before we throw stones at
>Sangliana, let us pause for a while and take stock as to whether we
>ourselves are without any blemish in our conduct.
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>I have no means available to me to verify the allegations. Broadly I
>can only categorize them into two categories.
>1. Commissions.- Some of the acts that he has supposed to have done.
>2. Ommissions. – Some of the actions which he has failed to take.
>
>Having observed H. T. Sangliana for a very long time I can personally
>vouch for his integrity. He has been in public life long before I was
>born. He is a very innocent man. It is possible (very hypothetical)
>that some of the people whom he would have trusted, have let him
>down. In all good faith Sangliana would have entrusted some
>responsibilities and these people would have misused that trust. Yes,
>he is the poorest Member of Parliament. Honestly a retired life would
>have been more comfortable for him and definitely if his intention was
>to make money in public life, he could have quietly accepted the 3
>crores that was offered during the trust vote and would have withdrawn
> from politics and would have been chilling out in Hawaii now; having
>the last laugh watching the Indian political scene from a distance.
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>He has boldly chosen to come back to the people. One thing must be
>made clear that he has never sought votes on the basis of religion or
>language. In public life he has respected all faiths.
>
>Today, we have a choice before us. We ignore him or again repose our
>trust in him. The former would amount to lying down on the ground
>face up, looking at the stars and spitting in the air. The
>consequence of this act is obvious. The second choice is to extend
>our whole hearted support for a good human being and entrust him with
>more responsibilities by electing him.
>
>Let us all come together and form a Watch Dog committee to monitor his
>performance. Vote for him today and tomorrow if you have a reasonable
>request and he ignores you, come to me and hold me by my collar and
>then let us together go to him, remind him of his promises.
>
>Sangliana is one of us. Let us vote for him and believe me “a known
>devil is better than an unknown angel”.
>
>Regards
>
>Peter
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>( I am only human I have no pretensions of being a saint.)
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Benjamin P N
Apr 7, 2009, 1:37:43 AM4/7/09
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Is this a Christian e-mail group? I am shocked.
P.N.BENJAMIN
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Benjamin P N
Apr 7, 2009, 1:45:04 AM4/7/09
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"SUB SALEH CHOR HAI!", said the late Rusi Karanjia
editor of Bltiz in 1950s
editor of Bltiz in 1950s
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vikram ka
Apr 7, 2009, 9:01:16 AM4/7/09
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dear Mr Peter
atlast there is someone who can put some sense to Mr Benjamin, he is using this forum just to banish the image of HT Sangliana. why cant he use his intelligence for some constructive purposes?
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Benjamin P N
Apr 7, 2009, 10:44:22 AM4/7/09
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Is this forum meant to refurbish the indisciplined policeman turned politician's battered image who betrayed his party for 30 silver coins and other benefits - power and position? Which way Mr. Peter has put in some 'sense' into my nut? Looks like you fellows have no better heros than Sangliana - the discredited.
P.N.BENJAMIN
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:31:16 +0530
From: malac...@yahoo.co.in
P.N.BENJAMIN
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:31:16 +0530
From: malac...@yahoo.co.in
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Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah
Apr 8, 2009, 12:10:59 AM4/8/09
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Hi Benjamin,
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i agree with you- Peter has not put any sense into you :D - you are hilarious with your analogies - you should try writing sitcom
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Paul D'Souza
Apr 8, 2009, 2:00:21 PM4/8/09
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Gosh benji, what would you do if you did not have this forum from which to pontificate? Why do'nt you become a politician - you are 'fully' qualified! paul.
Benjamin P N
Apr 8, 2009, 2:24:45 PM4/8/09
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Boy! you say, I have no other forum?That means you dont read newspapers? An ignorant lout? And I need no certificate from you for becoming a politician!
Tell me, is this forum meant to white wash Sangliana's and the Congress Party's image? If Paul and I can not change one politician - Sangliana - for his misadventure, misdeeds and unprincipled behaviour, hypocrisy, how can this forum expect make a beginning in cleaning up the political life of this country? High hopes. Haven't you read about the Good Shepherd in the New Testament who went in search of ONE lost sheep leaving the 99 behind/ another clarification I wanted from the moderator was that this forum is meant only for Christians - that too Catholic?
If you want to know more about me take time off from your busy schedule and browse the internat. Do a google search.
P.N.
BENJAMIN
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:30:21 +0530
Tell me, is this forum meant to white wash Sangliana's and the Congress Party's image? If Paul and I can not change one politician - Sangliana - for his misadventure, misdeeds and unprincipled behaviour, hypocrisy, how can this forum expect make a beginning in cleaning up the political life of this country? High hopes. Haven't you read about the Good Shepherd in the New Testament who went in search of ONE lost sheep leaving the 99 behind/ another clarification I wanted from the moderator was that this forum is meant only for Christians - that too Catholic?
If you want to know more about me take time off from your busy schedule and browse the internat. Do a google search.
P.N.
BENJAMIN
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:30:21 +0530
Subject: Re: Why worry about a speck in our brother's eye, when we have a board in our's (Sangliana and his
bangalo...@gmail.com
Apr 8, 2009, 8:40:01 PM4/8/09
to Bangalore Voters
To all:
We do not know how Benjamin has jumped to conclusions that this forum
is only for Christians and that too only for Catholics. Take those
"blinkers" off Benji Bhai. Humankind is gifted with a 180 degree
vision, enjoy the panaromic view. We are not against anyone. We only
discuss issues. We may not approve of all the actions and statements
of everyone. Benji Bhai, yes you have written lots of pieces in the
newspapers on various issues. Most people do not read the newspapers
now a days, by missing the newspaper they are not losing anything.
Today's newspapers are so rough that they cannot be even used as
toilet papers.
For sometime you even had a regular column in the "Vijay Times".
Vijay Times was finally sold off, may be because the editor/owner was
not comfortable with your incisive writings.
This forum is open to all. There are two sides to all issues. This
forum is for mature people to share ideas.
As children grow up, some of them do exhibit a tendency called
"Attention Deficit Disorder" (ADD). They will be very boisterous and
bite, pinch, pull, and kick at others to seek attention. With
therapeutic intervention and behavioral correction most children do
grow out of this to be responsible adults and some unfortunately
become misfits in society. (No pun intended)
So we give all the room for some naughty kids to grow up.
Moderator
We do not know how Benjamin has jumped to conclusions that this forum
is only for Christians and that too only for Catholics. Take those
"blinkers" off Benji Bhai. Humankind is gifted with a 180 degree
vision, enjoy the panaromic view. We are not against anyone. We only
discuss issues. We may not approve of all the actions and statements
of everyone. Benji Bhai, yes you have written lots of pieces in the
newspapers on various issues. Most people do not read the newspapers
now a days, by missing the newspaper they are not losing anything.
Today's newspapers are so rough that they cannot be even used as
toilet papers.
For sometime you even had a regular column in the "Vijay Times".
Vijay Times was finally sold off, may be because the editor/owner was
not comfortable with your incisive writings.
This forum is open to all. There are two sides to all issues. This
forum is for mature people to share ideas.
As children grow up, some of them do exhibit a tendency called
"Attention Deficit Disorder" (ADD). They will be very boisterous and
bite, pinch, pull, and kick at others to seek attention. With
therapeutic intervention and behavioral correction most children do
grow out of this to be responsible adults and some unfortunately
become misfits in society. (No pun intended)
So we give all the room for some naughty kids to grow up.
Moderator
Benjamin P N
Apr 8, 2009, 11:25:03 PM4/8/09
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Dear Moderator,
Yes, I have jumped to conclusions. I am sorry.
Thanks-a-million for your convincing explanation1
Cheerio
Benjamin bhai.....
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:40:01 -0700
Yes, I have jumped to conclusions. I am sorry.
Thanks-a-million for your convincing explanation1
Cheerio
Benjamin bhai.....
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:40:01 -0700
> Subject: Re: Why worry about a speck in our brother's eye, when we have a board in our's (Sangliana and his
Paul D'Souza
Apr 9, 2009, 1:47:23 PM4/9/09
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Gotcha ole boy! I'm getting to know which buttons to press! Paul.
Benjamin P N
Apr 9, 2009, 1:56:01 PM4/9/09
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It's time you learnt to press the right buttons. Your skin-deep knowledge about Christianity, politics, Indian society,moral standards etc - my foot! That too on the night My Lord was betrayed by Judases like you! I am no neo-convert to Christianity, not the product of Portuguese or Dutch or the British colonial Christianity....or even the Southern baptist...Sorry for being rude, Paul. Not the Paul in the New Testament. But, just an ordinary Paul. Peter and David
PNB
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:17:23 +0530
PNB
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:17:23 +0530
Colin Kyte
Apr 9, 2009, 10:46:49 PM4/9/09
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better things to do i use the net to share the gospel you need that bad.
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Colin Kyte
Apr 9, 2009, 10:52:51 PM4/9/09
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sure your right i dont know about christianity you seem to know a lot of that but jesus never came to make christians.
ever heard of that ?
a word for you
jn 3-16,God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes on him should not perish but have eternal life.
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Benjamin P N
Apr 9, 2009, 10:56:23 PM4/9/09
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Am I a Christian"
When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not shouting I am saved. I am whispering "I was lost". That's why I chose this way. When I say... "I am a Christian" I don't speak of this with pride. I am confessing that I stumble and need someone to be my guide. When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not trying to be strong. I am professing that I'm weak and pray for strength to carry on. When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not bragging of success. I'm admitting I have failed and cannot ever pay the debt. When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not claiming to be perfect, My flaws are too visible but, God believes I am worth it. When I say... "I am a Christian" I still feel the sting of pain, I have my share of heartaches Which is why I speak His name. When I say... "I am a Christian" I do not wish to judge. I have no authority. I only know I am loved. Share this with someone who already has this understanding, as reinforcement. But more importantly, share this with those who do not have a clear understanding of what it means to be a Christian, so that the belief that Christians think they are "perfect" or "better than others" can be changed.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF CHRISTIANITY
I am not a theologian, but a devout Christian no doubt, who is committed more to living my life consistent with the tenets of Jesus of Nazareth as I understand them, than act like the Christian fundamentalists and Jehadis do, when they adamantly advocate adherence to the literal interpretation of the contents of their respective scriptures.
Like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, I would like to see the emergence of a "religion-less Christianity. I do not believe in the infallibility of scriptures of any faith. In our Orthodox Tradition to which my forefathers belonged it is my understanding that we do not subscribe to the infallibility of scriptures. But, we do believe that "divinely inspired" humans wrote them. But, that does not mean that they are infallible either in their communications (e.g., St. Paul's opinions on slavery and role of women etc. (I belong to the first Anglican(CMS)-Syrian Christian congregation – 1850s - in a small village callled Mallappally in Kerala and the first Pulaya convert in Kerala – Abel – hailed from there for instance),
I do not believe like Christian fundamentalists do, that every word in the Holy Bible is spoken by God, including admonitions attributed to Him in such arcane books as the Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Songs of Solomon etc.
I am a student of science and I believe in the cardinal rule of "falsifiability" as a means of advancing knowledge. I indeed believe (as of today) that we are living on a planet governed by the heliocentric gravitational theories and Darwinian Evolution and not by the renouncements in the Book of Genesis.
Matt 28: 18-20, Acts 1:8, John 20: 21-23…all convey similar commissions "with little in common, which indicates that they have been created by the individual evangelists to express their conception of the future of the Jesus movement. As a consequence, they cannot be traced back to Jesus" ( see: RW Funk & RW Hoover, op cit, p.270), much less to God! The fanatic urge to proselytize and convert the "other"is the bane of the fundamentalists of both Islam and Christianity. The sooner we adopt saner means of promoting civilized behavior in practicing our respective faiths, the faster will we be able to usher in lasting peace in this world.
No faith can evolve for the betterment of humanity unless and until it
begins to change and embrace a pluralistic and inclusive framework of
tolerance towards other faiths. Fortunately, the eastern faiths such
as Sanatana Dharma, Buddhism, and Jainism etc are all devoid of the
Islamic and Christian obsessions to convert others by hook or crook.
Both Fundamentalist Christianity and Jehadi Islam have much to learn
from these Eastern faiths if we want to promote peace on this planet.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:46:49 -0700
From: coli...@yahoo.com
When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not shouting I am saved. I am whispering "I was lost". That's why I chose this way. When I say... "I am a Christian" I don't speak of this with pride. I am confessing that I stumble and need someone to be my guide. When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not trying to be strong. I am professing that I'm weak and pray for strength to carry on. When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not bragging of success. I'm admitting I have failed and cannot ever pay the debt. When I say... "I am a Christian" I am not claiming to be perfect, My flaws are too visible but, God believes I am worth it. When I say... "I am a Christian" I still feel the sting of pain, I have my share of heartaches Which is why I speak His name. When I say... "I am a Christian" I do not wish to judge. I have no authority. I only know I am loved. Share this with someone who already has this understanding, as reinforcement. But more importantly, share this with those who do not have a clear understanding of what it means to be a Christian, so that the belief that Christians think they are "perfect" or "better than others" can be changed.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF CHRISTIANITY
I am not a theologian, but a devout Christian no doubt, who is committed more to living my life consistent with the tenets of Jesus of Nazareth as I understand them, than act like the Christian fundamentalists and Jehadis do, when they adamantly advocate adherence to the literal interpretation of the contents of their respective scriptures.
Like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, I would like to see the emergence of a "religion-less Christianity. I do not believe in the infallibility of scriptures of any faith. In our Orthodox Tradition to which my forefathers belonged it is my understanding that we do not subscribe to the infallibility of scriptures. But, we do believe that "divinely inspired" humans wrote them. But, that does not mean that they are infallible either in their communications (e.g., St. Paul's opinions on slavery and role of women etc. (I belong to the first Anglican(CMS)-Syrian Christian congregation – 1850s - in a small village callled Mallappally in Kerala and the first Pulaya convert in Kerala – Abel – hailed from there for instance),
I do not believe like Christian fundamentalists do, that every word in the Holy Bible is spoken by God, including admonitions attributed to Him in such arcane books as the Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Songs of Solomon etc.
I am a student of science and I believe in the cardinal rule of "falsifiability" as a means of advancing knowledge. I indeed believe (as of today) that we are living on a planet governed by the heliocentric gravitational theories and Darwinian Evolution and not by the renouncements in the Book of Genesis.
Matt 28: 18-20, Acts 1:8, John 20: 21-23…all convey similar commissions "with little in common, which indicates that they have been created by the individual evangelists to express their conception of the future of the Jesus movement. As a consequence, they cannot be traced back to Jesus" ( see: RW Funk & RW Hoover, op cit, p.270), much less to God! The fanatic urge to proselytize and convert the "other"is the bane of the fundamentalists of both Islam and Christianity. The sooner we adopt saner means of promoting civilized behavior in practicing our respective faiths, the faster will we be able to usher in lasting peace in this world.
No faith can evolve for the betterment of humanity unless and until it
begins to change and embrace a pluralistic and inclusive framework of
tolerance towards other faiths. Fortunately, the eastern faiths such
as Sanatana Dharma, Buddhism, and Jainism etc are all devoid of the
Islamic and Christian obsessions to convert others by hook or crook.
Both Fundamentalist Christianity and Jehadi Islam have much to learn
from these Eastern faiths if we want to promote peace on this planet.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:46:49 -0700
From: coli...@yahoo.com
Paul D'Souza
Apr 10, 2009, 1:45:57 PM4/10/09
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Benji Boy, I'm getting to appreciate your style! Hey, do you try this approach in any of your 'other' forums? - Paul.
Benjamin P N
Apr 10, 2009, 1:49:16 PM4/10/09
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Enough is enough! I do not want to be part of this group. Pauls and Aruls use this forum to give vent to their frustrations and intolerance.
P.N.BENJAMIN
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:15:57 +0530
P.N.BENJAMIN
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:15:57 +0530
bangalo...@gmail.com
Apr 11, 2009, 9:29:50 AM4/11/09
to Bangalore Voters
Hi all
The theme of this story is "Revenge"
There are these two statues in a park; one of a nude man and one of a
nude woman. They had been facing each other across a pathway for a
hundred years, when one day an angel comes down from the sky and, with
a single gesture, brings the two to life.
The angel tells them, "As a reward for being so patient through a
hundred blazing summers and dismal winters, you have been given life
for thirty minutes to do what you've wished to do the most."
He looks at her, she looks at him, and they go running behind the
shrubbery. The angel waits patiently as the bushes rustle and giggling
ensues. After fifteen minutes, the two return, out of breath and
laughing.
The angel tells them, "Um, you have fifteen minutes left. Would you
care to do it again?"
He asks her, "Shall we?"
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She eagerly replies, "Oh, yes, let's! But let's change positions.
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This time "I hold the pigeon down and you crap on its head!"
Looks like everyone here in this forum is out for revenge following
Hamurabai's code of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".
Benji Bhai, paul, arul, kyte, vikram, and et. al.- there are so many
other things that you all can do and enjoy in life other than this
paranoid obsession to take your revenge on the pigeon.
A note of admonition to Vikram.- You should never get personal and
make any personal attacks in an argument. You may win the argument
but you would have lost the person and that defeats the entire purpose
of the debate.
Benji Bhai, we were analyzing the topics in this forum and we must
give credit to you for being an active contributor. On further
analyzing the content, we are in for a pleasant surprise that you are
the one that has initiated the discussion on Christianity the most.
After all this at one point, you went on to ask whether "this forum
was mean only for Christians and in particular Catholics". This was a
Malcom Marshal beamer that you bowled at us. Regarding the other
topics that you have raised - The Sangliana issue, must say you have
some valid points. Unfortunately there was no proper clarification
from Sangliana's fans on any of the issues discussed.
Bhenji Bhai in all good faith must say that it looks like you have
wasted all your talents. As someone had asked "why did you not join
politics". You definitely would have outwitted Lalu.
We are still with the understanding that you are all an educated lot,
and will act and share your views in a very civilized manner.
We are sure most of you follow the game of football on Television and
watch some European football and the World Cup football. Some of you
would have and will still enjoy playing this game. This game is all
about possession and finally ensuring that the ball is directed into
the rival's net. There are a set of rules to be followed. The
passions run high; you kick, push, shove, run, chase, dodge and lunge
for possession. You need to fight it out like one possessed. The
opponents are your rivals, you cannot have any consideration, your aim
is to make your team win. Sometimes it is even a physical fight on
the field. Yes, two countries have even gone to war over a dispute on
the football field.
But when the final whistle is blown. Do you notice one thing that is
striking. The players from both the teams shake hands and hug each
other, sending the message across that this was just a game and that
everything is forgotten and all rivalry ends on the field. Off the
field they are friends again.
Is this not true even in our lives. Why do we need to carry our hurts
on our backs.
My 5-year-old daughter was expecting her results last week. She
attends LKG. She was unsure about a problem in math that she had
written wrong and was scared that she would fail. On the day of the
results she was very hesitant to go to school because she was worried
that she would fail. When the results were out she was very surprised
to know that she had passed and she was thrilled with joy.
My concern here is my child should realize sooner that life will not
be all sucesses, there will be some setbacks and failures. It is not
important how she reacts to sucess and rejoices in it. It is very
important how she is going to accept failures and setbacks in life.
The most important thing is not how we take our sucesses in life but
also how we react to our failures that is what will finally define who
we are. It is not what we are in terms of positions and designations
but who we are as a person is the most important thing.
Moderator.
The theme of this story is "Revenge"
There are these two statues in a park; one of a nude man and one of a
nude woman. They had been facing each other across a pathway for a
hundred years, when one day an angel comes down from the sky and, with
a single gesture, brings the two to life.
The angel tells them, "As a reward for being so patient through a
hundred blazing summers and dismal winters, you have been given life
for thirty minutes to do what you've wished to do the most."
He looks at her, she looks at him, and they go running behind the
shrubbery. The angel waits patiently as the bushes rustle and giggling
ensues. After fifteen minutes, the two return, out of breath and
laughing.
The angel tells them, "Um, you have fifteen minutes left. Would you
care to do it again?"
He asks her, "Shall we?"
.
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.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
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She eagerly replies, "Oh, yes, let's! But let's change positions.
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.
.
.
.
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.
.
.
.
This time "I hold the pigeon down and you crap on its head!"
Looks like everyone here in this forum is out for revenge following
Hamurabai's code of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".
Benji Bhai, paul, arul, kyte, vikram, and et. al.- there are so many
other things that you all can do and enjoy in life other than this
paranoid obsession to take your revenge on the pigeon.
A note of admonition to Vikram.- You should never get personal and
make any personal attacks in an argument. You may win the argument
but you would have lost the person and that defeats the entire purpose
of the debate.
Benji Bhai, we were analyzing the topics in this forum and we must
give credit to you for being an active contributor. On further
analyzing the content, we are in for a pleasant surprise that you are
the one that has initiated the discussion on Christianity the most.
After all this at one point, you went on to ask whether "this forum
was mean only for Christians and in particular Catholics". This was a
Malcom Marshal beamer that you bowled at us. Regarding the other
topics that you have raised - The Sangliana issue, must say you have
some valid points. Unfortunately there was no proper clarification
from Sangliana's fans on any of the issues discussed.
Bhenji Bhai in all good faith must say that it looks like you have
wasted all your talents. As someone had asked "why did you not join
politics". You definitely would have outwitted Lalu.
We are still with the understanding that you are all an educated lot,
and will act and share your views in a very civilized manner.
We are sure most of you follow the game of football on Television and
watch some European football and the World Cup football. Some of you
would have and will still enjoy playing this game. This game is all
about possession and finally ensuring that the ball is directed into
the rival's net. There are a set of rules to be followed. The
passions run high; you kick, push, shove, run, chase, dodge and lunge
for possession. You need to fight it out like one possessed. The
opponents are your rivals, you cannot have any consideration, your aim
is to make your team win. Sometimes it is even a physical fight on
the field. Yes, two countries have even gone to war over a dispute on
the football field.
But when the final whistle is blown. Do you notice one thing that is
striking. The players from both the teams shake hands and hug each
other, sending the message across that this was just a game and that
everything is forgotten and all rivalry ends on the field. Off the
field they are friends again.
Is this not true even in our lives. Why do we need to carry our hurts
on our backs.
My 5-year-old daughter was expecting her results last week. She
attends LKG. She was unsure about a problem in math that she had
written wrong and was scared that she would fail. On the day of the
results she was very hesitant to go to school because she was worried
that she would fail. When the results were out she was very surprised
to know that she had passed and she was thrilled with joy.
My concern here is my child should realize sooner that life will not
be all sucesses, there will be some setbacks and failures. It is not
important how she reacts to sucess and rejoices in it. It is very
important how she is going to accept failures and setbacks in life.
The most important thing is not how we take our sucesses in life but
also how we react to our failures that is what will finally define who
we are. It is not what we are in terms of positions and designations
but who we are as a person is the most important thing.
Moderator.
Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah
Apr 11, 2009, 10:47:13 AM4/11/09
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Dear Moderator,
"Here I stand; I can do no otherwise. God help me. Amen!"
Martin Luther (1483–1546)
Speech at the Diet of Worms.
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i have no intension towards any form of revenge - i would be grateful if you rethink your insinuation - The faulty slanted facts that our friend and brother Benji supports needs discussion and needs to be unveiled - even if it is a kid crying out the king has no clothes.
It is not a personal attack on the mighty king and it is not revenge or a challenge to His Royal Highness' supposed knowledge- it is purely an observation that the report is faulty.
If as the moderator you say that on this forum it is wrong to call a report faulty - i am happy to leave you to tickle each other's correctness, pretending to see each other's wisdom!
Thanks,
Arul
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bangalo...@gmail.com
Apr 12, 2009, 12:42:28 AM4/12/09
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Arul
The moderators deliberately did not give any attention to the so
called "Fact finding report". This was a googly bowled by Benji
Bhai. By even referring to this so called report we would have fallen
hook, line, and sinker to Benji Bhai's bait and the so called report
would have got all the attention which it does not deserve.
But I understand it is not easy to keep quiet and you responded to
it. We will say that the report does not stand the litmus test of
truth. Right from the word go it is biased and never two negatives
will make a positive other than under certain circumstances in
Algebra.
What secularism are we talking about. It is regrettable that we have
become so indifferent that we tend to sympathize with the perpetrators
of crime in society rather than have a consideration for the victims
of such senseless crime. Beji Bhai (God forbid this should not
happen) would your reaction have been the same if you were the victim
in these senseless attacks.
We want specific answers from Benji Bhai. These are issues very close
to where he lives.
Secularism means all religions are treated int he same manner by the
State and no religion will get any preference. Any disagreements on
this understanding?
Going further in a 2 km radius where our Bhenji Bhai lives let us give
some concrete examples of manipulation of this understanding of
secularism.
1. The Banaswadi Police station has a temple within.
2. Not to be outdone the BESCOM in Kalyan nagar has also a temple in
its premises.
3. A main arterial road in Kamanahalli is blocked for traffic every
other day because there is some so called function in this temple.
These are all public services where people from all faiths will be
served
Very soon Bhenji Bhai what do you do when your water bill from BWSSB
has the pictures of all the Gods and Godesses printed on it. Every
other lamp post will be converted to a temple. This is again
exploitation by some vested interests.
Can Bhenji Bhai answer the above and compile a fact finding report on
the above.
We have not brought Christianity into this discussion, do not give any
justifications.
Moderator
The moderators deliberately did not give any attention to the so
called "Fact finding report". This was a googly bowled by Benji
Bhai. By even referring to this so called report we would have fallen
hook, line, and sinker to Benji Bhai's bait and the so called report
would have got all the attention which it does not deserve.
But I understand it is not easy to keep quiet and you responded to
it. We will say that the report does not stand the litmus test of
truth. Right from the word go it is biased and never two negatives
will make a positive other than under certain circumstances in
Algebra.
What secularism are we talking about. It is regrettable that we have
become so indifferent that we tend to sympathize with the perpetrators
of crime in society rather than have a consideration for the victims
of such senseless crime. Beji Bhai (God forbid this should not
happen) would your reaction have been the same if you were the victim
in these senseless attacks.
We want specific answers from Benji Bhai. These are issues very close
to where he lives.
Secularism means all religions are treated int he same manner by the
State and no religion will get any preference. Any disagreements on
this understanding?
Going further in a 2 km radius where our Bhenji Bhai lives let us give
some concrete examples of manipulation of this understanding of
secularism.
1. The Banaswadi Police station has a temple within.
2. Not to be outdone the BESCOM in Kalyan nagar has also a temple in
its premises.
3. A main arterial road in Kamanahalli is blocked for traffic every
other day because there is some so called function in this temple.
These are all public services where people from all faiths will be
served
Very soon Bhenji Bhai what do you do when your water bill from BWSSB
has the pictures of all the Gods and Godesses printed on it. Every
other lamp post will be converted to a temple. This is again
exploitation by some vested interests.
Can Bhenji Bhai answer the above and compile a fact finding report on
the above.
We have not brought Christianity into this discussion, do not give any
justifications.
Moderator
Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah
Apr 12, 2009, 3:57:41 AM4/12/09
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Dear Moderators,
"Here I stand; I can do no otherwise. God help me. Amen!"
Martin Luther (1483–1546)
Speech at the Diet of Worms.
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Thank you for your clarification.
As a newbie here i wish you would sign your names so i could know who you are!
Here is a thought on how 2 negatives could make a positive - when somebody turns the other cheek when slapped.
Dear All,
Disagreements and discussion are welcome!
- here are some musings on Easter and Multi Level Marketing http://provoke-prayer.blogspot.com/2009/04/easter-mlm-hatred.html
- Please also feel free to offer comments and suggestions on the website for an Artists' Collective that i co-head http://provoke.co.in
- Happy Easter All!
Arul
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Benjamin P N
Apr 12, 2009, 4:01:34 AM4/12/09
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Yes it was a googly bowled by me. I am a past master in this art!
I'll answer all your questions. But, please let me know first how many members this group has and if possible their names. I do not like to waste my energy and time for the sake of a couple of people who cannot claim to represent the bangalore voters.
P.N.BENJAMIN
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:42:28 -0700
I'll answer all your questions. But, please let me know first how many members this group has and if possible their names. I do not like to waste my energy and time for the sake of a couple of people who cannot claim to represent the bangalore voters.
P.N.BENJAMIN
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:42:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: Why worry about a speck in our brother's eye, when we have a board in our's (Sangliana and his
Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah
Apr 12, 2009, 4:16:07 AM4/12/09
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Dear Friend & Brother Benji,
Purely Hypothetically -What would you say if Sangliana said in response to your questions to him "... give me names and numbers. I do not like to waste my energy and time for the sake of a couple of people who cannot claim to represent the bangalore voters."
Your Insignificant Friend,
Arul
Benjamin P N
Apr 12, 2009, 4:27:30 AM4/12/09
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Dear Friend and brother in Jesus of Nazareth,
I would definitely give him the names, addresses and telephone numbers if they were members of my organisation. Then, I would ask these members to call sangliana and tell him: "I am so and so. Heard that you wanted to talk to me. What's it about, Sir?
Benjibhai
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:46:07 +0530
I would definitely give him the names, addresses and telephone numbers if they were members of my organisation. Then, I would ask these members to call sangliana and tell him: "I am so and so. Heard that you wanted to talk to me. What's it about, Sir?
Benjibhai
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:46:07 +0530
Subject: Re: Why worry about a speck in our brother's eye, when we have a board in our's (Sangliana and his
Arul (Ta'fxkz) Baliah
Apr 12, 2009, 6:25:48 AM4/12/09
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Dear Benji,
Numbers are political collateral- They are necessarily guarantee of moral rightness!
Crowds cried for Jesus to be crucified - but was that the right thing to do?
When Jesus spoke of the broad path leading to destruction and the narrow road to life, he said that there will be numbers on the side of error.
Brother your political colors are showing!
if as you suggest- you will respond only if there is large number calling on you to answer. Why have you earlier likened yourself to the shepherd going after a single lost sheep in a flock where the majority was not lost.
i quote you
If Paul and I can not change one politician - Sangliana - for his misadventure, misdeeds and unprincipled behaviour, hypocrisy, how can this forum expect make a beginning in cleaning up the political life of this country? High hopes. Haven't you read about the Good Shepherd in the New Testament who went in search of ONE lost sheep leaving the 99 behind/ another clarification I wanted from the moderator was that this forum is meant only for Christians - that too Catholic?
Probably people are not asking you for answers because they know that you do not have any, i will have to say that you are not just lying but also a political scandalist!
Warm Regards,
Warm Regards,
Arul
Benjamin P N
Apr 12, 2009, 7:18:51 AM4/12/09
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Read the sentence again. I have not likened myself to the Good Shepherd. I was referring this group as the Good Shepherd and Sangliana as the one lost sheep. Harsh words, badmouthing, unadulterated ignorance cannot break ice. You have time and again proved you are a educated illiterate, desoite your singing, provoking talents.
In an electoral battle numbers count. And this miniscule group cannot swing votes in any way you want. Christians hardly matter.
Why should a Christian leader like Sangliana need 18 heavily armed commandos to protect him? Did Jesus go with soldiers to Gethsemane and then to Calvary? Did Gandhiji go to Noakhali to bring peace among Hindus and Muslims surrounded by AK47 trotting security men? World renowned evangelist termed Gandhiji as the "only Christian after Christ". Have you read about it?
For a change, stop this sangliana crap. Afterall, he is going to lose.
We in this group must learn to growp - grow up mentally. Learn to accept others views as they are. There's no point in splitting hair.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:55:48 +0530
In an electoral battle numbers count. And this miniscule group cannot swing votes in any way you want. Christians hardly matter.
Why should a Christian leader like Sangliana need 18 heavily armed commandos to protect him? Did Jesus go with soldiers to Gethsemane and then to Calvary? Did Gandhiji go to Noakhali to bring peace among Hindus and Muslims surrounded by AK47 trotting security men? World renowned evangelist termed Gandhiji as the "only Christian after Christ". Have you read about it?
For a change, stop this sangliana crap. Afterall, he is going to lose.
We in this group must learn to growp - grow up mentally. Learn to accept others views as they are. There's no point in splitting hair.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:55:48 +0530
Benjamin P N
Apr 12, 2009, 7:21:27 AM4/12/09
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May we be deeply convinced
that however bad situations may be,
however insurmountable problems may seem,
and however despicable some people may appear to be,
there is always hope,
always a better future,
because Jesus has risen from the dead!
If he could conquer sin and death,
there is nothing we cannot overcome
through the power of his Spirit.
Happy Easter!
PNBENJAMIN
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:46:07 +0530
Subject: Re: Why worry about a speck in our brother's eye, when we have a board in our's (Sangliana and his
Benjamin P N
Apr 12, 2009, 1:33:29 PM4/12/09
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The Joy of His Resurrection
O God, who for Arul's/our redemption gave your only-begotten Son to the death of the cross, and by his glorious resurrection delivered Arul/us from the power of Arul'/our enemy: Grant ARUL Baliah and us so to die daily to sin, that he/we may evermore live with him(Jesus) in the joy of his resurrection; who lives and reigns now and for ever. Amen.
Source: The Book of Common Prayer 1979
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:55:48 +0530
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