Accident last night on OMR. :-(

[jbabup...@gmail.com]

Hey guys,

Majority Motorist don't respect cyclist at all..

Last night by 10 I meet with an accident, was returning back from decathlon Whitefield. Near the isolation hospital turning a motorists came he was speeding, just while I was about to shift lanes n turn right he came n rammed into by cycle from behind. My cycle was under his bike, the both dragged away for about 10 meters. I was flung of my cycle, by Gods grace, there was no there vehicles coming behind me, else.....!!

The cycling glove saved my palms, as I was sliding on the road, I got up dusted my self, picked up my cycle n moved to the side of the road, checked for broken bones n dislocation (was glad, with just a aching right elbow). I asked the rider what his problem was, n why the heck he was speeding, he starting arguing n said it my fault n i was speeding. I was hurting me more was to c my cycle in a messed up state.

I knew this matter wouldn't end here so I quickly to my cell out n clicked some pic of his bike no' n my messed up cycle n very politely asked them to accompany me to the cops station. Well I was carrying my cycle on my shoulders with my aching elbow n walked for about 300m to reach indranagara police station n reported the matter to the cops. They said let the motorist reach. The station n they can take it fwd, well I was waiting near the gate of the station when these guys were pretending to push their bike n come from a distance. When they reached near both jumped on the bike n speeded away.

Immediately reported the same to the cops n they directed me to the traffic dept, I filed a complaint, they asked me to lock up by cycle in the station it self N in a few days. They will trace the rogues n bring them to justice.

Plz do share ur views n comment and advice I really want to make an example out of this accident. Attached I'd the pic of my poor cycle n the bike numbers KA01 EX-7827.

Also plz update me, if u know any one who can fix up my cycle (hercules Act 110)

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Prakash

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[Ashok Kumar]

Post it on the traffic police FB page as well. I have seen some good responses from cops for the posts there.

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[Hari Kishan]

Hey Prakash,

Sorry for what has happened to you last night. That indeed is a very bad accident but you were lucky to escape it harmless.

My suggestion to proceed further, is as you have the bikers number clicked, go to the KA01 RTO office, and apply for the address of this registered vehicle. Then you can reach their home straight away(mind you take a few guys who can speak kannada and if possible heavy too) and can demand for some damage costs.

All the best and keep posting of your actions whatever they be.

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[Darshan Bildikar]

Sorry, but this is the worst thing you can do. Technically, this is a hit and run. A non-bailable offense. Even if it takes some effort, make sure the police register an FIR. If that doesn't happen, and you can afford it, engage a lawyer who will definitely help you get compensation from these guys. Even if they're not punished, they'll will be very inconvenienced and will push you to close the case against them.

Applying for the address and trying strong arm tactics would be a very stupid thing to do IMO. Best of luck.

Darshan

[Mayank Rungta]

+1

This if brought to notice of people - will ensure that people are careful as there can be consequences!

[anil s kadsur]

Prakash,

Sorry to hear about the accident. Good nothing much happened to you.

Posting on FB is good idea.

Taking the address from RTO and going to their place. Also need to be prepared, the person who is riding the motor bike may not the real owner on whose name vehicle is registered.

As he said don't go alone, once you get the address.

What is total cost you would be incurring to repair your bike, many a times for all the above effort what you putting it many not be even worth it.

Best take away is, what is the lesson learnt and how do I avoid something like this in the future, if that is understood it is worth it what you went through.

very truly,
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[Hari Kishan]

Darshan,

You completely got me wrong. I suggested to take some strong arms in the view of defending yourself and not in the offensive way. In all I meant to settle this out of the court and cases. As the entire damage will not be in a few thousand bucks, going around the court and cases would be a lot of wastage of time and hard-earned money. Coz, I have seen both types of settling. Out-of-courts work good many a times atleast in our country.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Darshan Bildikar <darshan...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Darshan Bildikar]

" As the entire damage will not be in a few thousand bucks, going around the court and cases would be a lot of wastage of time and hard-earned money"

This is precisely the problem. People seem to work with this assumption all the time. Yes it takes time (mind you not much) but it's entirely possible and of course, the right thing to do and will teach those guys a lesson.

[deepakvrao]

Impossible. Court will not work, unless you are willing to spend years and repeated trips. Just not worth it at all.

[anil s kadsur]

+1

Absolutely not worth it.

More than teaching a lesson to some one, peace of mind is more important.

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[Ashok Kumar]

The moment a litigation comes, the guy will come and settle the issue offline. Or else it becomes tough for a motor vehicle as he will face issues on NOC and other stuff when he wants to sell it. Also, the amount to be paid will be much less compared to the case of say he hitting a car or so. If he finds out that you are serious on pursuing it, he will come and settle it. Now he must be hoping to save the money if you ignore it. 

Make sure to file a complaint with the bike number. Also post on Bangalore traffic police website with the photo, the vehicle number and the complaint number. Very likely that your issue will be addressed. 

If you don't do it, we will be encouraging such hit and run morons. When people start seeing their vehicles in traffic police page, they will think twice before doing such cheap acts to save a few bucks. 

Regards,

Ashok

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[Darshan Bildikar]

+1

This is what I meant

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[suman paul]

Prakash 

It is good news that you are all fine ( gloves saved your palms - remember Anil, we were discussing about this sometime back - proven ). 

The suggestions here by everybody are sounding good but is it really worth to put the effort just to teach some buffoon a lesson which is not going to change him or his surroundings ! And setting an example is a good thing when the followers are sensible. 

I would like to recall a very valuable advice by a friend of mine on this occasion - ' when you are outside your home, whether walking or riding or driving any sort of a vehicle, please consider the rest of the people around you are blinds and only you can see them what they are doing or going to do  not the other way around ! '

thank you & regards

suman  

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[Yateesh Kumar]

+1... This will be the leveler to get them to talking terms..

[berkeleydb]

Whether pursuing this through cops/courts will get you closure, I don't know.  But I for one would strongly advise against contacting -- especially in person - these people.  What if they make a claim at some point that you were troubling / threatening them?

I think you showed great presence of mind, inspite of being in a serious accident (thankfully no serious injuries to you!) -- you have the pictures and their registration #.  While I have no experience in such matters, I do feel you should try the route of filing a complaint with the cops (involve a lawyer, I suppose if needed, as someone said), and hope for the best.

This does pop up a thought in my mind -- would it make sense for us cyclists to pool some resources (time, effort, money) and have some lawyer ready to help us review such cases, and advise on course of action (on a case by case basis)?  The lawyer can advise whether or not, a good case can be made in each instance.  The cyclist can then decide accordingly.  Having some lawyer(s) ready would help in that they would already understand / sympathise with the concerns / issues of cyclists' safety on the road -- and over time, they would also gain more experience handling our cases.

I suppose that would amount to forming a lobby.  But maybe that is what we need?  This accident, though serious, did_not result in serious injury.  But another one could -- if this approach is reasonable, why wait for an accident with serious consequences, before considering such a course of action?

-{db}.

[Ashok Kumar]

Nice thought. Actually a good idea to have a lawyer handy for such situations. Bit of course majority will be thinking that they ride carefully and will never get into such situations. 

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[Ashok Kumar]

You give up, you let the country degrade further. Give a complaint and put it up on FB, you are giving a chance to law and letting it watched in public. Couple of hit and run being caught and embarrassed is surely going to improve the situation in Bangalore at least. 

Each one of us is part of the system and if we don't trust it and assist it to work, no point in complaining. Btw, in all minor accidents involving my car, I got compensation. Including a 1000rs from a bmtc driver who broke my mirror and tried not to stop. I would not have taken the money had he apologised and went instead. 

Thanks and regards,

Ashok

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[anil s kadsur]

+1

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[Basker Ramachandran]

Just wondering, what does a photo of a motor bike number plate establish in this case? Is that an evidence that will stand the scrutiny of the court of law (Under "ideal circumstances") ? Just wondering if taking a photo of the vehicle involved (alone) in such crime is good enough or we need to do something that would credibly establish the crime committed. Recently read a post on FB where someone had commented that they called 100 when they were getting harassed by auto and the cops responded almost immediately.. Would that help?

I am bit surprised if in this forum there is no body who is a lawyer or advocate !! ateast, having some parent / sibling / cousins who are lawyer !!

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[Basker Ramachandran]

I know who you are referring to :) All that I can say is 'pop corns are yummy' !! :)))

On a serious (?) note, borrowing the words of Rahul Gandhi, "safety is just a state of mind" !!

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[Hari Krishna]

My mom is a lawyer at AP High Court. I don't know what she can do for this, but can definitely ask for a possible course of action.

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[suman paul]

Hrishikesh is a lawyer - he may throw some light on this 

thank you & regards

suman  

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On 11-Sep-2013, at 9:04 AM, Basker Ramachandran <rba...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Hari Kishan]

+1 to Deepak sir.

Courts in India took sweet 9 months to give the verdict of the most brutal gang rape in the history of mankind. And how can you expect for a hit-and-run case to get a verdict in short time (no offense here, just the practicality is put in words). And the police stations are so busy to solve the big cases and those cases will be surely pending for the past few years. Practically if you think, the courts,the lawyers and the police would be benefitted out of this as you need to wet their hands either in terms of bribe or in terms of their hefty fees (no offense here to any of those lawyer cyclists or police cyclists - am just putting the real world situation here). And above that you need to spend lot of time (maybe years) around the police stations, courts and what not.

If you really need to be an exemplary candidate in teaching the worthless buffoons(as suman paul pointed out and majority of the bikers on our roads are from this category. If he really wanted to change his life by not doing this again, he would not have ran away in the first hand. Just think!!!) a lesson and are willing to gain some experience out of how to file a case, deal with police stations you can go ahead and file a compliant and an FIR. But even the police would suggest you not to file an FIR (as with many cases happened to me. I settled such things by negotiations outside the stations even with APSRTC too. It really works. The driver of the bus really remembers that lumpsum money throughout his life which i demanded from him and took it. That would have been a serious pinch for that month for his family budget. I taught him such a lesson and he will never repeat such mistakes on roads again) and settle it out of the stations as they know very well how the court procedures work in our country.

Rest of the decision to follow is in ur hands.

[Shreedhar Ramachandra]

Maybe we already have a lawyer in this group.
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[jbabup...@gmail.com]

Hi Suman,

Very valuable advice indeed, I intend to remember this...!! n yes the glove really did save. My ankle hurts a bit n my hips as well, the elbow is fine now.

Today, I visited my cycle in the police station impound, felt sad.. I really have to pick up a new cycle now, cant effort to let this stupid incident, extinguish my passion of cycling.

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[suman paul]

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