Looking for a Repair Shop around Indiranagar ( in and around )

[Siddhartha Bajaj]

Hey i am looking to get my cycle serviced. Oiling, gear tuning and the lot. Any suggestions?

[suman paul]

Pro-cycle near BDA complex

thank you & regards

suman  

+91      9886300685

On 29-Jan-2014, at 1:41 pm, Siddhartha Bajaj <siddharth...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey i am looking to get my cycle serviced. Oiling, gear tuning and the lot. Any suggestions?

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[Sanath Kumar S D]

Pro Cycle & Sports India Private Limited
# 37, 11th Cross, 1st Stage, Indiranagar, Bangalore- 560038
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[murali m]

I had been to this shop enquiring about the same, they quoted 1500, just wanted to know is it worth.

[Amit Kumar Dandyan]

You can also visit RR Cycles, Ulsoor. 

[Mooseman]

I go to RR cycles , Near Ulsoor Metro station .  They aren't the best . But they are good enough .
Pro-cycles quoted 2k for a full service . Has anyone here gotten it done ? Was 2k hole in your wallet worth it ?

[Rahul Raj Dusa]

I did go once.. and yes 2k is on the higher side. Again every store defines their value of the work done. It is on us to decide where to go and the minor repairs are really worth that amount.

Minor cleaning, oiling, tuning etc... I have started doing it on my own now.. (Inspired by some cyclists here in the forum and learnt from you tube :) )

Its been more than an year now (after my last service at procycle), its always fun to rip the bike apart and get my hands a lil messy.

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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Mooseman <vik...@gmail.com> wrote:

I go to RR cycles , Near Ulsoor Metro station .  They aren't the best . But they are good enough .
Pro-cycles quoted 2k for a full service . Has anyone here gotten it done ? Was 2k hole in your wallet worth it ?

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[akash mahakode]

Once I went to procycle just to get my v-brakes aligned properly, he asked for Rs. 200. I was really surprised to hear that amount..So, I went to RR cycles near Ulsoor metro station, he asked for Rs. 20.

I think these cycle shops are charging more than motor mechanic...

I found one more cycle repairing shop at dispensary road(just behind commercial street police station). I forgot his name, but he is damn cheap and repairs all types of bikes.

Once I planned to apply disc brakes to my GIANT revel 1. I went to cyclist for life to inquire about the cost of disc brakes and fitting charges. He had Btwin's disc brake system (manufacturer was Tecktro). He said Rs. 2000 for one disc brake and fitting charges Rs. 500. So the total estimate went up to (Rs. 2000 + Rs. 2000 + Rs. 500) = Rs 4500. And he was not ready to reduce the price. I said I will come some other day.

So, I went to Decathlon, same disc brake assembly unit was only for Rs. 1400 (Rs. 600 difference). So, I purchased  for both the wheels and paid fitting charge of Rs. 150 to a local cycle repairing shop. So, I saved around Rs. 1500 and paid Rs. 3000.

-akash

-Akash

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[Ashok Kumar S]

Any wonder why lot of software engineers and English speaking guys in short come to this business? Though most of them claim their passion towards cycling as the reason, that is not the only reason, obviously.

A friend of mine was quoting the below from a well reputed cycle shop guy in Chennai. In Bangalore, you find a lot hi-fi bike shops with guys in shorts talking English in western accent, but at the end of the day, they don't repair, they only replace things.

Even if you want to get a toughly bent wheel trued, all these guys say the rim will break and hence it has to be replaced where as a local shop or even RR with skilled labor true the wheel without even opening their mouths and charge only Rs100 to 150.

Use your discretion and try out different options available, you will figure out the best places and best tradeoffs yourself.

Thanks and regards,
Ashok

[Venkatesan Ramachandran]

I also know of few software engineers turned in to cycling passion and business in Bangalore, and they charge really a nominal fees (300-360Rs) for basic bike service. So, they may not be generalized across..

I would recommend we cyclist enquire the service cost and details of the service before giving for bike service, and provide the feedback directly with comparison with other vendors if we feel it is expensive.. I am sure lots of such business people in cycling world are quite responsive to feedback. Finally, they are also looking for better customer satisfaction as we refer/bring more customers to them. :)

Cheers

Venki

[akash mahakode]

There is one more guy who works at hercules shop near EJIPURA signal..

He is quite reasonable...he charges nominal fee...

[Ashok Kumar S]

What do you gain by doing that? People who are rich enough to find it affordable will still go to these elite shops and people who are cost conscious will figure out better alternative options. Why do you want to correct all bike shops in Bangalore or help all the business men do better business? They still make profits, that's why they are still in business, IMHO.

regards,
Ashok

[Venkatesan Ramachandran]

I was not suggesting to correct it, but clarify the cost and move to next shop if it does not suite your requirement/budget.. 

This way, some non-elite shops will possibly reduce the rates based on the feedback. Remember, Elite cyclist very well know the right place to go for service..

[Ashok Kumar S]

>>>"Remember, Elite cyclist very well know the right place to go for service.."

Exactly, and the ones I know, do it all by themselves... :)

Thanks and regards,
Ashok

[Venkatesan Ramachandran]

So, these cycle business people cannot focus only on Elite always.. feedback may help them to get down the price..

I am wondering if some experts in this forum could help to come up with some checklist of "Basic bike service" and "Advanced bike service".. This could be a guideline for most of us when we talk to various service shops.. 

[anil s kadsur]

It does not do any good to the community in totality, only bridges the gap---More and more people stay away from Biking with this attitude!!!!

My only honest approach to reduce it is, ride 'My Bike' every where, tell people not necessary biking is very expensive.

very truly,
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Subject: Re: [BBC] Re: Looking for a Repair Shop around Indiranagar ( in and around )

[Ashok Kumar S]

Exactly, Anil! Don't you think it is bull shit when somebody says a bicycle service charge is Rs2000/- when I got my car (City) serviced for Rs950/- all inclusive from Honda dealership?

A bicycle(even the highest end one) costs less than 1/10th of the cost of the car(13L) and the normal ones will be 1/20th or 1/30th or even less. And the service charges, double and more compared to the car, though not a fair comparison. Atrocious!
 
Thanks and regards,
Ashok

[santosh kumar]

BTW, do we get some trivial spares in the market?? Like a broken spring in the brake unit?

The spring might cost just a few rupees. But had to replace the entire brake unit. Cost 3k for 2 sets.

[Ashok Kumar S]

Did you visit any LBS? They will usually get a replacement spring and are never gonna ask you to replace entire unit by spending 3k just because a spring is broken(May be experts will have a different opinion). Also, if you plan to visit the same replacement shop again, keep your old pairs of brakes handy so that when you lose springs or some other parts, you can use from these ones... :)

You quote emission, health and cost advantages in support of cycling. The last one doesn't hold any more with these so called 'hi-fi' bike shops around... :)

regards,
Ashok

[santosh kumar]

I'm not sure RR Cycles qualifies as an LBS and the spring was for the disk brake.

[Jayaprakash E]

This is a simple business logic. The more investment done by the shop, higher the charges. He needs pay for the every square inch of real estate. Simple example you can see in Darshinis. You can see the price difference for the same food while standing & eating, sitting & eating and inside AC room. You choose what you want. If you go to 5 star hotel you may pay 200 to 300 rupees for a litre of water bottle same I can get for 20 Rs in a shop and free if I refill somewhere.

[Pradeep Naidu]

santosh LBS mean local bike shop, every shop in your city qualifies as local.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Jayaprakash E <jaya...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is a simple business logic. The more investment done by the shop, higher the charges. He needs pay for the every square inch of real estate. Simple example you can see in Darshinis. You can see the price difference for the same food while standing & eating, sitting & eating and inside AC room. You choose what you want. If you go to 5 star hotel you may pay 200 to 300 rupees for a litre of water bottle same I can get for 20 Rs in a shop and free if I refill somewhere.

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[Sreepathi Pai]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Ashok Kumar S <s.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Use your discretion and try out different options available, you will figure
> out the best places and best tradeoffs yourself.

Is "best tradeoff" synonymous with "cheap" ?

I'm genuinely curious.

Bike servicing is a service (obviously), not a commodity or
prepackaged product that most people can judge easily.

How do people who know nothing about bicycles develop this
"discretion" and make an informed "tradeoff", when it comes to
service?

Or is ignorance bliss?

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[anil s kadsur]

Some are LeBS....

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Subject: Re: [BBC] Re: Looking for a Repair Shop around Indiranagar ( in and around )

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

Aren't you riding?

[Ashok Kumar S]

May be it's rocket science for some guys. For me, it should feel smooth and nice to ride as close as it was when it was newly bought. And there were issues which the elite guys could not fix, but local workshop guy could do. And anybody can figure out when there are abnormal sounds or abnormal performance once it is out from service. And I still see it as two wheels and a very simple gear mechanism. It's the simplest of all the vehicles on our road. And if one needs phd on the subject to feel a problem with his bike, I'm not gonna say a thing more. 

Thanks and regards,

Ashok. 

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[Sreepathi Pai]

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Ashok Kumar S <s.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And I still see it as two wheels
> and a very simple gear mechanism. It's the simplest of all the vehicles on
> our road.

Let's take that example of wheels out of true, lets say due to a crash.

One favorite method of mechanics of old, who dealt with steel wheels,
is to step on the rim (with spokes removed), and flatten it.
Sometimes, their favorite all purpose tool, the hammer is also used.

Lets repeat that experiment on an aluminium rim. It is now round, and
rides "smoothly" and "quietly", as "new".

Would you trust coming down on a hill at 70kmph on it?

I mean, there must be a reason for most respectable bike shops around
the world to trash aluminium wheels and not "repair" them. Maybe they
have some PhD metallurgists on staff.

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[Ashok Kumar S]

Yes, you got a point there, I think. But the shop has to convey it that way. "It's risky and it might not be safe to fix it and ride. "

But what if the reason given is that it may break while attempting to true? Also, I know that you know a lot about bike related stuff. I would like to learn and know why these experts if they say so, say that aluminium wheels must be trashed instead of truing. Do you have any inputs to enlighten me a bit?

And again, what if the usage is just for regular commute at 20-25kmph instead of pace making or racing?

Thanks and regards,

Ashok. 

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[Sreepathi Pai]

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Ashok Kumar S <s.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, you got a point there, I think. But the shop has to convey it that way.
> "It's risky and it might not be safe to fix it and ride. "

A bike shop cannot take that risk. Too many people ignore well-meaning
expert advice even when they do not know better. "Informed choice" is
a misnomer. Comments about medicine and medical doctors in this forum
highlight this. Given the ready availability of forums on Web 2.0
where people can vent without logic or reason or the full facts, it's
a PR nightmare waiting to happen.

I mean, even on this thread, a purely factual question about the
availability of repair shops has degenerated into a discussion of the
motivations and "greed" of software engineers who have taken up
bicycling as a business, their clothing choices, their English accent,
followed by utter economic nonsense on the pricing of services (if
prices are too high in an ostensibly free market, then it is an
entrepreneurial opportunity to seize!).

Now imagine something bad happening despite warnings -- a store may
have to endure posts to groups, facebook, etc. It isn't worth the
cost, in my opinion, especially given that the Internet never forgets.

This is not hypothetical -- I have seen posts condemning manufacturers
where the fault was clearly the riders.

>
> But what if the reason given is that it may break while attempting to true?

It may. It may not.

When my friends and I have tried to retrue aluminium wheels that were
bent, we've sometimes caused the spokes to break through the spoke
hole and ruin the rim (these were cheap rims). We've ruined a number
of rims this way. No rim has shattered or "broken" in our limited
experience.

What might our typical Indian customer do? "You broke the rim when
repairing -- you replace it!" In a fully tensioned standard wheel
with steel spokes, according to Brandt, the spokes are hardly at 1/3rd
yield strength, so it is physically possible to do this. Will our
hypothetical customer understand?

> Also, I know that you know a lot about bike related stuff. I would like to
> learn and know why these experts if they say so, say that aluminium wheels
> must be trashed instead of truing. Do you have any inputs to enlighten me a
> bit?

It isn't true that most aluminium wheels have to be trashed. However,
for most shops, the expertise to evaluate this versus the cost of
being wrong means that they will make the rational economic choice to
trash the rim.

Brandt's the Bicycle Wheel is the definitive guide to understanding
why and how wheels fail and how to repair them. I strongly recommend
reading it. It contains a whole section devoted to repairing wheels as
well as good discussion of how different metals behave.

He mentions, for example, that straightened rims will often have
unequal tension in the spokes and hence may lose trueness over time.
The first part is easily tested using a good tensiometer.

Is a customer willing to live with a wheel that may lose trueness over
time? This is one of the real tradeoffs, not price.

>
> And again, what if the usage is just for regular commute at 20-25kmph
> instead of pace making or racing?

The dynamic stresses on a bicycle are complicated enough that just the
speed of the cycle isn't very meaningful.

Consider a slow-moving cycle that suddenly dips into the standard
Indian pothole (or flies over a speed breaker). What is the magnitude
of the force it is going to experience?

> Thanks and regards,
> Ashok.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 01-Feb-2014, at 21:10, Sreepathi Pai <sre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Ashok Kumar S <s.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I still see it as two wheels
>
> and a very simple gear mechanism. It's the simplest of all the vehicles on
>
> our road.
>
>
> Let's take that example of wheels out of true, lets say due to a crash.
>
> One favorite method of mechanics of old, who dealt with steel wheels,
> is to step on the rim (with spokes removed), and flatten it.
> Sometimes, their favorite all purpose tool, the hammer is also used.
>
> Lets repeat that experiment on an aluminium rim. It is now round, and
> rides "smoothly" and "quietly", as "new".
>
> Would you trust coming down on a hill at 70kmph on it?
>
> I mean, there must be a reason for most respectable bike shops around
> the world to trash aluminium wheels and not "repair" them. Maybe they
> have some PhD metallurgists on staff.
>
> --
> Sreepathi Pai

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[Ashok Kumar S]

Your example is good. All the highly charging doctors are not good ones. That's exactly my point too.

 I have read that truing steel wheels is easy while doing that on aluminium without cracking it requires skill. And if the wheel is cracked after truing, not to use it. I find many local shops having that skill. 

And when 2k is charged for a bicycle service, if it is ridiculous again. No matter how many points you put forward to justify it. :)

Thanks and regards,

Ashok. 

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[anil s kadsur]

+1

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Subject: Re: [BBC] Re: Looking for a Repair Shop around Indiranagar ( in and around )

[Rahul Raj Dusa]

Guys..

There is no point talking on how people are being charged and for what services.

To keep it simple, if one wants to spend can go ahead to spend else as said one can opt for the normal local bike shops either.

I am sure, the "Hi-fi" bike shops (on which the discussion is about) must have assessed the demand in the market. 

As the members of this group here, it is always good put things forward to educate the fellow members about alternate options and try to be away from critisising the highly charging stores. 

I am not sure if this thread is ending up portraying negativity on these stores. There are many analogies that may be relevant to this case. A local Tea Shop (who might be your favourite) to some CCD or Starbucks...(which others might have on fav list). Or a local restaurant to some Taj or Leela. Or even a local doc to some big corporate hospitals !

It is all about the user, consumer to decide where he wants to go. One might watch a movie in a laptop, a Rs 350 or so in theatre or Rs 650 in IMAX ! Its the user experience, the ambience, the attitude and the approach that the entity provides to the user/consumer that also matters.

On an ending note... it would be great if fellow riders can shoot in here the locations of the local bike shops where they feel have experienced good and economical service. It might be of some help to others who do not know.

:)

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[murali m]

One guy on Heganahalli road just charges 10 bucks for fixing a puncture, this guy won't do repairing of high end bikes.
Another shop near Kurubarahalli charges 20 bucks for minor repairs like breaks and shifting gears, he has quoted 300 bucks for full service will check this out next week and let you guys know about the quality of the service.

[Sreepathi Pai]

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Ashok Kumar S <s.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And when 2k is charged for a bicycle service, if it is ridiculous again. No
> matter how many points you put forward to justify it. :)

I'm not justifying the prices -- nor am I saying they're high or low.
I tried very hard to avoid doing that. I have to tried to point out
the specious reasoning in this thread.

My contention has always been that if people believe prices are too
high, it is an economic opportunity and people should put their money
where their mouth is. Advancing arguments for lower prices which have
no basis in economics is of limited use. The best feedback is
competition -- it demonstrates beyond doubt that the feedback is
serious. Let us not forget that these are men in the arena. Let us not
be cold and timid souls.

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[anil s kadsur]

"The best feedback is competition"

What gem...

Thank you Sreepathi...

very truly,
anil s kadsur
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Subject: Re: [BBC] Re: Looking for a Repair Shop around Indiranagar ( in and
around )

[Sreepathi Pai]

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Rahul Raj Dusa <rahulr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys..
>
> There is no point talking on how people are being charged and for what
> services.

I disagree. As a community of bicyclists, we should be talking about
these things. Information is a great leveler.

> As the members of this group here, it is always good put things forward to
> educate the fellow members about alternate options and try to be away from
> critisising the highly charging stores.

Educating is always a good idea. But we should not shy away from
criticism. BBC is a significant community of cyclists and we have
power to change things. Civility in discussion is important, of
course, and so is good, sound reasoning :)

While most stores surely like hearing good things about themselves,
I'm sure they value the bad things even more because it gives them an
opportunity to review themselves. Since nearly all the new stores sell
service, not bicycles (even if they appear to be bicycle stores), this
is probably even more important.

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