"It is not about the BIKE, my journey back to DOPING" by Lance armstrong

[anilk...@gmail.com]

Guys,

When you read that book and get so much inspiration from that man. It feels so tough to put it aside.

You believed every word written there. Try to live by those words.

What a false approach to life. When you are into so much hero worshipping, also start wondering who is right and who is wrong?

Tdf tittles gone, Nike and other sponsors are gone, he has resigned from the chairman of Live strong, also read a report some of the people who donated for Live strong even they want the money back.

Everything going one by one, thought only the above, new titled book can save him.....lol

TMI,
aNIL s kadsur

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[Opendro]

Lance is still special because his cancer was real and his coming back to the sports was real. That is the inspirational attitude towards life.

Beyond that, we all should feel good that Lance didn't escape from getting punished for wrong doing.

[raghu srikanth]

+1.....and he is still a hero.......atleast for me.......

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[squa...@gmail.com]

I too agree the real thing was his cancer his fight to overcome it and return to professional cycling. I feel that is what should count if at something should.

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[Ranjan Kulkarni]

No one is annoyed about the fact that he doped. 90% of the peleton have always doped.. period.  The fact that he was never punished and was given special treatment (due to him allegedly paying money to UCI to keep everything under the carpet) has irked people, including me. Tyler Hamilton's book is worth a read. People say he has written the book for the money, no doubt he has, but some of the accurate revelations and names he has come out with doesn't seem that he has made up any of it.

Cheers,
Ranjan

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[deepakvrao]

If you read the details, I doubt he would still be your 'hero'. 

He has destroyed lives and careers in his 'ambition'.

[Kingpin]

His work for Cancer support and the fact that people diagonised with cancer believe that they can fight it, overcome it and live a normal life post recovery (ala Armstrong) is something that has to be appreciated. Yuvraj Singh said he was inspired by Lance Armstrong and got the strength to fight the disease.

Unfortunately, Lance the athlete let the whole world down. Personally - Rabobank pulling out was the death blow for me. Cycling as a sport will need a cleaner much admired personality to carry it forward. 

PS: Now that the TDF titles have been stripped who are the winners? The whole peloton should be disqualified/stripped for doping!!

-- KingPin

[deepakvrao]

Sorry, Lance the 'human being' has also been a huge let down. Like I said, he has destroyed lives, careers and behaved like a bully. There have been death threats to Tygart.

I don't think his cancer 'work' is enough to redeem him.

[Yogesh Sundaramurthy]

I was half way through his "Not about the bike" when this whole things broke out. Don't feel like finishing it now ...

Yogesh

[George's GMail]

No matter what I don't know what he would say to his children. 

Sort of sad. 

George Joseph

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[anilk...@gmail.com]

Absolutely, so tough to explain to....

"Their innocent questions...when you LIE, they will make out easily"

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Subject: Re: [BBC] Re: "It is not about the BIKE, my journey back to DOPING" by Lance armstrong

[George's GMail]

That's okay. He'll be a bigger pariah than OJ Simpson. 

Bye there be a large amount of livestrong stuff showing up in Nike outlets soon. 

George Joseph

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[ameet]

Hi,

I found this opinion on LA doping scandal. It's apparently an ex- marine who throws in a new angle.

" I would like to add my second, and final, comment to this discussion. As somebody has already noted whatever each 'side' of this debate write it will not change the mind of the other so with that in mind my final observations to throw into the pot are these. I have never doubted that LA was on 'something', however I categorically believe that every rider of the Tour is on 'something'. I am an ex-Marine so know what it takes to be fit; in addition I played a number of sports to a very high level. I do not put myself in the Pro class, in fact nowhere near it, but I do understand very well about training and recovery. NOBODY on this planet will convince me that the human body can ride the Tour, at those speeds, on that terrain, over 3 weeks and not break down without some 'help'. 
I have done a number of Triathlons and, I think, it is reasonably accepted that to compare a bike session with a run session the biker must go 3-4 times as far. So, let's extrapolate this argument....... average daily mileage on Tour, say, 150mls. This equals approx: 2 consecutive marathons(i.e. a third of 150 divided by 26). Name me ANY world class marathoner runner who could run two consecutive marathons, at some 'fastish' pace, over varied terrain, up some VERY big 'hills'(!!), throw in a couple of time trials, throw in daily 'attacks', have just two days off but go running anyway so as not to stiffen up........ and not be in hospital before the three weeks is completed. IF, and I stress the IF, any runner could complete this event they would be slowing by the day and walking by week two........ simply IMPOSSIBLE without any 'help'. And what now for the UCI? Give these titles to the supposedly clean riders who came 6th, 10th, 14th???? 
Finally, as to LA bullying his team members; GROW UP!!! They were big boys in a big boys sport - again I have no doubt LA would have encouraged his team mates to join him but just say NO. If you have your own principles stick to them, if you cannot then don't bleat afterwards! 
Good luck to all you debaters, this one is going to go on for a while yet! "

[pradeep naidu]

Wow...

regards,
Pradeep Naidu

On 25 Oct 2012 14:47, "ameet" <ameet...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I found this opinion on LA doping scandal. It's apparently an ex- marine who throws in a new angle.

" I would like to add my second, and final, comment to this discussion. As somebody has already noted whatever each 'side' of this debate write it will not change the mind of the other so with that in mind my final observations to throw into the pot are these. I have never doubted that LA was on 'something', however I categorically believe that every rider of the Tour is on 'something'. I am an ex-Marine so know what it takes to be fit; in addition I played a number of sports to a very high level. I do not put myself in the Pro class, in fact nowhere near it, but I do understand very well about training and recovery. NOBODY on this planet will convince me that the human body can ride the Tour, at those speeds, on that terrain, over 3 weeks and not break down without some 'help'. 
I have done a number of Triathlons and, I think, it is reasonably accepted that to compare a bike session with a run session the biker must go 3-4 times as far. So, let's extrapolate this argument....... average daily mileage on Tour, say, 150mls. This equals approx: 2 consecutive marathons(i.e. a third of 150 divided by 26). Name me ANY world class marathoner runner who could run two consecutive marathons, at some 'fastish' pace, over varied terrain, up some VERY big 'hills'(!!), throw in a couple of time trials, throw in daily 'attacks', have just two days off but go running anyway so as not to stiffen up........ and not be in hospital before the three weeks is completed. IF, and I stress the IF, any runner could complete this event they would be slowing by the day and walking by week two........ simply IMPOSSIBLE without any 'help'. And what now for the UCI? Give these titles to the supposedly clean riders who came 6th, 10th, 14th???? 
Finally, as to LA bullying his team members; GROW UP!!! They were big boys in a big boys sport - again I have no doubt LA would have encouraged his team mates to join him but just say NO. If you have your own principles stick to them, if you cannot then don't bleat afterwards! 
Good luck to all you debaters, this one is going to go on for a while yet! "

On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:02:21 AM UTC-7, anil s kadsur wrote:
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[anilk...@gmail.com]

Ameet,

A very sensible reply. Makes sense.

Tfs.

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:17:48 -0700 (PDT)

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Cc: <anilk...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: "It is not about the BIKE, my journey back to DOPING" by Lance armstrong

[deepakvrao]

Sorry, it's a bullshit reply.

It means you are OK with cheating, and you are ok with destroying lives and careers.

Please read the witness statements and then decide.

[deepakvrao]

Sorry, it's a bullshit reply.

It means you are OK with cheating, and you are ok with destroying lives and careers.

Please read the witness statements and then decide.

[anilk...@gmail.com]

Deepak,

Yes, agree with you. I didn't look it at that way.

Just because someone is good in one area, that doesn't mean his crime can be excused. I don't buy that logic.

Just because, "I commute to work, will not give me any RIGHT to waste WATER"

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:57:46 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: "It is not about the BIKE, my journey back to DOPING" by Lance armstrong

[Sharath]

Question (and mere speculation from my part):

I haven't read the USADA evidences myself. However, does anyone know if Lance started "consulting" with Ferrari prior to his cancer days? I wouldn't be surprised if there is medical literature which says that doping *causes* Cancer in some form. Apart from performance gains, there would be risks associated with doping, no?

I also see people like Yuvaraj Singh appearing in ads for Life/Health insurance companies, post his cancer treatment -- clearly there is money to be made by gaining public's sympathy. I'm not saying that this is necessarily bad. I'm just saying that the intentions behind "doing good" may not always be the case.

Just sayin ...

Regards,
Sharath

[Sre3-P0]

Alright now. At the verge of sounding like I just came out of hibernation, have the charges against Lance been proven?

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[Mustafa]

His argument does not make any sense to me. He is making off hand comparisions and extrapolations.

Also blaming the entire peloton without proof is completely wrong. I am sure majority of the professional cyclists are clean, and I will continue to believe so unless proven otherwise convincingly.

There are guys like Taylor Phinney who believe even painkillers and legal medications should be phased out. http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13076/Taylor-Phinney-Interview-Getting-the-pill-culture-out-of-the-sport.aspx

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

Nice to know there is somebody else who things painkillers are
derelicts of a bygone era

Regards
Chiddu

[Kavindra Joshi]

Is there an official list of evidence against Lance in Public domain ? As far as I have read most of the charges are backed by human testimony. 

Regards

Kavindra

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[VIJAY CP]

Most of his teamates have accepted that they doped and how it worked , do u still want proof ?

Vijay

[R. Venkatachalam]

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/!invesitgations%20and%20enterprise%20docs/armstrong-reasoned-decision.pdf

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

Do riders in this forum regularly take painkillers? An innocent question.

Chiddu

[Kingpin]

What if, Lance A gets another bunch of 'teammates' to come out and say they never doped and were clean? 

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:32:03 AM UTC-4, Vijay CP wrote:

Most of his teammates have accepted that they doped and how it worked , do u still want proof ?

[Mark Anderson]

It is uncertain whether we'll ever know what was said.

But the situation this summer was certainly telling, where Hincapie, Leipheimer, Vande Velde, and Zabriskie,

all "voluntarily" said they weren't going to the Olympics.

Um, right, these top American cyclists are all saying they are going to voluntarily pass up probably

their last chance to compete in the Olympics.

Clearly there was either a secret punishment, or they gave up so much in closed-door confessions,

that if they did get an olympic medal, it would be stripped later.

-mda

[abhijith shekar]

Saw this for the first time in Dasara Cycling race last Saturday. Few boys were literally washing their legs in painkiller sprays.

 

On Oct 25, 2012 9:14 PM, "Chidambaran Subramanian" <chi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Do riders in this forum regularly take painkillers? An innocent question.

Chiddu

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[Karthikeyan B]

A Hero is always a Hero, no matter whatsoever. So is Armstrong!

Karthik

[Kingpin]

So is Ben Johnson!

[Mayank Kamthan]

didnt you watch ironman3 trailer?? :P 

Mayank Kamthan

[Mustafa]

A Hero is always a Hero, no matter whatsoever. So is Armstrong!

And a fraud is a fraud. 

[George's GMail]

Armstrong is a nothing but a zero like all cheats. 

But him forcing people to cheat is an all time new level of cheating. 

Hopefully people will still be into cycling regardless of this cheating moron. 

George Joseph

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On Oct 26, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Mustafa <mustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:

A Hero is always a Hero, no matter whatsoever. So is Armstrong!

And a fraud is a fraud. 

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[deepakvrao]

Absolutely, and I am AMAZED to see people here hero worshipping him still.

[anilk...@gmail.com]

Hehehe....

True

I was aware, 'love is blind'

Didn't know hero worshipping is also blind

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Subject: Re: [BBC] "It is not about the BIKE, my journey back to DOPING" by Lance armstrong

[Vasu]

Or may be no one does hero worshipping but some people drop in a line to see if it sparks off a debate in BBC. they then sit with a bag of pop corn to watch the fun.

 

If you worship, or not worship - why bother so much? It is not like Lance is going to give you his bike (or groupset) (or wheels) since he will not be able to ride it anymore.

 

get on with your life man. climb nandi in sub 25 mins and compete with lord venky. that is one good thing to do (friends don't let friends ride slow, remember)

V

[Kingpin]

So you finally got your dope eh?

[deepakvrao]

LOL

[Pradeep Naidu]

Wellsaid vasu...and i loved ur statement.."freinds dont make freinds ride slow.....".... Are u listening anil..

regards,
Pradeep Naidu

On 27 Oct 2012 10:35, "deepakvrao" <deepa...@gmail.com> wrote:

LOL

On Friday, October 26, 2012 11:40:33 PM UTC+5:30, Kingpin wrote:
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> So you finally got your dope ...

[mahesh kumar]

Off the topic - Help me to get a second hand road bike as i dont want to invest more but enjoy road biking. Here are the details i require:

Size - 52 Inches

Made - above trek 1.5

Budget - 35 thousand rupees.

I dont mind what lance did with doping  but remember what he has done to others life. He created LIVESTRONG community portal which is an amazing, i personally have got benefitted with abundance of information from  http://www.livestrong.com/. I always love you Lance for the contributions you have done to millions of life.

My inclinations towards lance is  how i see him, Its my view and note views can be changed. 

Osama bin Laden is god to some one and enemy to some one. but its all about whats your view.

Regards,

Mahesh M 

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[deepakvrao]

Awesome post.

Yes, he has done so much to others lives.

[deepakvrao]

He should be remembered. He's a legend - The BIGGEST sporting cheat of all time!