Death of a techie in BTM layout

[murali hr]

Dear All,

The Udupi Garden junction @ BTM  is very dangerous , there was a death over night of a  young man. It is still difficult to cross
for pedestrians as everyone is frustrated with the traffic and want to escape.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Killer-car-mows-down-Infosys-staffer-in-the-dead-of-night/articleshow/12463454.cms

The govr wants to make this road signal free and give total freedom  to cars to mow down people.

and there is a story of a young girl trying to clear the road , so that vehciles can go faster and she got killed.

[anilk...@gmail.com]

Very sad to know that....

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As long as our Traffic and City Planners have the focus of moving cars (and motorised two wheelers) as fast as possible (preferably on signal-free roads) such tragedies will continue.

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[Karthick Gururaj]

The real tragedy is the case of 20 year old lady. She was a
pedestrian, going out of her way to clear the road. Funding her SSLC
education by working in a factory.

Saw the video of the accident on BTP's facebook page. Looks like the
fault of the two-wheeler as well, to a certain extent. If I'm on a
scooter returning dead of the night, and I don't slow down at
junctions - well there is a fair element of risk there.

I'm not condoning the car driver, just to be clear!

- Karthick

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:33 PM, murali hr <murali...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dipankar Paul]

For the concerned few, who like to post a link from here and there of people dying in some corner of the town, here is something to make u think before u post again. Every single day there are 2 people on an average dying within Bangalore Traffic Police limits.
Ref - http://www.bangaloretrafficpolice.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&btp=55

I just hope, that people understand, that as long as motor vehicles exist, someone is going to die. Its a evil we live with cos the benefits are far greater than the losses.:) So learn to live with it. Dont say which road is dangerous. We train on the National Highways where vehicles zipping at 100+kmph can kill u without a moment's notice, and you are concerned about traffic inside the city limits where average speed does not even cross 30!!! Posting such stuffs is just simply demotivating for a daily cyclist who has the least amount of protection on him.

[Vasu]

+1 to Dipankar.

 

I used to regularly train on Silk board - Krishnagiri route at all times of the day / night. I have started rides at 8pm too. That highway is madness. But you gotta live with it. Else sit at home and ride on the trainer, which is also awesome exercise btw.

 

Lets not debate this topic. Threads these days seem to be about everything other than core cycling. 

 

Thanks

V 

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+1 to dipankar on this

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Subject: [BBC] Re: Death of a techie in BTM layout

[deepakvrao]

Have to agree with Dipankar. Every day we have 3-4 deaths on Bangalore
roads. The whole thing is depressing, but nothing extra ordinary about
this one.

We have no driving sense and no one follows rules. It is not fast
traffic that is the cause. It is the lack of any sense of following
traffic regulations.

Please dont use these for arguments AGAINST signal free corridors.

On Mar 30, 5:57 pm, Dipankar Paul <pauldipankar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For the concerned few, who like to post a link from here and there of
> people dying in some corner of the town, here is something to make u think
> before u post again. Every single day there are 2 people on an average
> dying within Bangalore Traffic Police limits.

> Ref -http://www.bangaloretrafficpolice.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content...

>
> I just hope, that people understand, that as long as motor vehicles exist,

> someone is going to die. Its a evil we live with cos *the benefits are far
> greater than the losses*.:) So learn to live with it. Dont say which road

> is dangerous. We train on the National Highways where vehicles zipping at
> 100+kmph can kill u without a moment's notice, and you are concerned about
> traffic inside the city limits where average speed does not even cross
> 30!!! Posting such stuffs is just simply demotivating for a daily cyclist
> who has the least amount of protection on him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 30, 2012 4:33:04 PM UTC+5:30, murali wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
>
> > The Udupi Garden junction @ BTM  is very dangerous , there was a death
> > over night of a  young man. It is still difficult to cross
> > for pedestrians as everyone is frustrated with the traffic and want to
> > escape.
>

> >http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Killer-car-mows-dow...

[Vasu]

Btw, if signal free corridors exist then foot-over bridges or subways should exit for pedestrians too.

 

It takes me 10mins to try and cross the ORR to get to my office. The motor vehicles just don't slow down for a pedestrian/cyclist.

 

That's how things are. No point talking about it on forums for cycling.

 

If you are talking about how clinchers and tubulars are different, then lets talk.

 

V

[Mayank Rungta]

+1 on the fact such mails don't help - some discussions and there it ends...

> Please dont use these for arguments AGAINST signal free corridors.

Not one such death - it it is a trend it is different - if a traffic design increases such cases it better be taken into account and not be dismissed - just a thought.

Are any of these designs/policy encouraging discipline in driving or is it encouraging people to step out in their cars and whiz thru instead of improving the public transport - which _all_ of agree is the way to go? Can we influence any of these decisions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o   # a much shared video

[deepakvrao]

It is not the inherent concept of signal free corridors that cause
deaths. It's lack of civic sense in us.

Europe has great roads, and even highways with no speed limits, and
the lowest traffic death rates in the world.

[deepakvrao]

Vasu,

Wanted to say this in the morning but refrained. Will say it now
though, at the risk of being the bad guy here.

BBC has probably the lowest signal/noise ratio amongst the forums that
I visit.

On Mar 30, 6:15 pm, Vasu <mr.b.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to Dipankar.
>
> I used to regularly train on Silk board - Krishnagiri route at all times of
> the day / night. I have started rides at 8pm too. That highway is madness.
> But you gotta live with it. Else sit at home and ride on the trainer, which
> is also awesome exercise btw.
>
> Lets not debate this topic. Threads these days seem to be about everything
> other than core cycling.
>
> Thanks
> V
>

> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 18:27, Dipankar Paul <pauldipankar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > For the concerned few, who like to post a link from here and there of
> > people dying in some corner of the town, here is something to make u think
> > before u post again. Every single day there are 2 people on an average
> > dying within Bangalore Traffic Police limits.
> > Ref -

> >http://www.bangaloretrafficpolice.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content...

>
> > I just hope, that people understand, that as long as motor vehicles exist,

> > someone is going to die. Its a evil we live with cos *the benefits are
> > far greater than the losses*.:) So learn to live with it. Dont say which

> > road is dangerous. We train on the National Highways where vehicles zipping
> > at 100+kmph can kill u without a moment's notice, and you are concerned
> > about traffic inside the city limits where average speed does not even
> > cross 30!!! Posting such stuffs is just simply demotivating for a daily
> > cyclist who has the least amount of protection on him.
>
> > On Friday, March 30, 2012 4:33:04 PM UTC+5:30, murali wrote:
>
> >> Dear All,
>
> >> The Udupi Garden junction @ BTM  is very dangerous , there was a death
> >> over night of a  young man. It is still difficult to cross
> >> for pedestrians as everyone is frustrated with the traffic and want to
> >> escape.
>

> >>http://timesofindia.**indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/**
> >> Killer-car-mows-down-Infosys-**staffer-in-the-dead-of-night/**
> >> articleshow/12463454.cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Killer-car-mows-dow...>

[Vasu]

Change of forums is in order doc :)

 

To be frank, I have been here for some years now and I think we ought to improve the quality of discussions happening here. Anyways, we've been through this topic doc so no point raking it up again.

 

Nandi tmrw?

V

[deepakvrao]

Nope to Nandi. Starting work at 5:45am :-( Like I said Saturdays are
busy for me.

Doing easy rides this month. Training daughter to eventually do 50-60
km daily. Planning a long cycling vacation with her in MAy, so my
cycling will take a back seat.

Ordered your saddle?

No change in forums either. This gives me the local news :-) and I
'try' sometimes to contribute when there are cycling discussions, like
the sizing one on the other thread.

> > > > Visitwww.bangalorebicyclechampionships.comformore details

[Dipankar Paul]

How abt a visit to our bed ridden cyclist, Akshay tomorrow?

[Chidambaran Subramanian]

Which part of Europe has signal free corridors in the heart of the city?

[deepakvrao]

I have driven long distances of signal free roads both in London [cant
recollect the road names but near Hammersmith for example] as well as
Paris. If I'm not mistaken FDR Drive in Manhattan is also signal free,
and I think the similar road on the west side of Manhattan is too
[can't remember the name], and these are as much 'in the heart' of a
big city as you can get.

Lots of European cities have fantastic ring roads which are largeley
signal free. The M25 [I think] around London, and similar roads around
Manchester and Birmingham. Heck, small towns like Bordeaux have signal
free stretches which partly encircle the city.

Left to some guys here, forget signals, we would have speed breakers
on the ring roads. Sorry, we already have them. LOL

Driven on similar roads in Bangkok too.

Signal free does NOT equal deaths. It improves traffic efficiency and
saves fuel and time.

[Mayank Rungta]

Not sure about your experience doc but for a city like Bangalore where we know how things are implemented sans the things Vasu mentioned for pedestrians. A simple exercise would be to cross the Domlur flyover junction over foot - it is quite enlightening if you haven't tried it. As a car driver I would love signal free corridors, NICE roads, elevated highways, widened roads, etc. But is it really about what few people like or scalability? We all agree that public transport has to be good and let's hope that some effort is put in that direction. Most of the effort currently only increases vehicular movement - we should be penalizing personal vehicles and encouraging public transport - not vice versa.

A closer comparison will be -

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/64257-karachis-signal-free-corridors-lead-120-increase-pedestrian-accidents.html

On a more appropriate forum for this topic -

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/64257-karachis-signal-free-corridors-lead-120-increase-pedestrian-accidents.html

BTW, use google/yahoo map and check out San Francisco, supposedly an official "sister-city" of Bangalore. Take a look and tell us all how many signal free corridors you find criss-crossing that city . Not many, and not even to zip through the heart of this city in a very car friendly state.

This makes sense to me logically even in my stay abroad I have seen only expressways to be signal free and this was only in US. In my limited stay in Europe, not sure I saw any such thing in the city, neither in Barcelona or Oslo. But then I never drove so I wouldn't know - always was walking or in public transport both of which are good modes in all these places.

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[murali hr]

India leads the world in road accidents, hence we young people should think in enabling road safety & bring in better responsibility.

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,5519345,00.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-19/india/31076588_1_road-accidents-national-road-safety-traffic-management-board-bill

Infact the current commissioner of BBMP, Mr Shankarlinge Gowdas son died in a road accident , yet the government authorities fail to act and take immediate action knowing fully that the house is burning.

It costs a huge loss to the people and the nation to lose a young soul, we just cannot ignore by saying ,"Every day 2 people die on Bangalore roads.. We got to live with it..bcoz tomorrow it might be your chance ".

Not to scare the people here - this is a fact - my neighbor (a very close family friend) who just retired after spending his life as a banker,  got hit while trying to cross the road and he is brain dead and lying simply on bed for the last two years.

My uncle  (my moms brother  ) got run over and was killed by a lorry few years back and all i can say is the trauma of accident is hard to forget for the near and dear ones.

We are all affected and we are responsible for the sucking culture that pays no respect to pedestrians and cyclists.
As vasu wanted the discussion to be interested ! Can everyone list down five things they will do to reduce accidents amongst our friends and relatives and friends in our company.

1> DO a "thank god we are still alive workshop" explaining the road safety aspects to ur colleagues 2> Identify the danger spots on the way to your office and ask people to be careful near the spots.
3> If he is a cyclist , share the safety tips.
4> If he is a bike fellow/ car fellow, ask him to be careful to pedestrian and cyclists.
 
Let us do some joint action. How about organizing a bicycle ride for road safety ?

Regards,
Murali,

 

[Dipankar Paul]

"India leads the world in road accidents"

WHAT UTTER NONSENSE DUDE!!! WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING YOUR STATISTICS FROM!!

Stop cooking your own stats. Please present your source of data or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

India at 16.8 deaths per 1 Lac population, fares lot better that world average at 20 deaths per 1 Lakh population. Refer this link if you want.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

Its because of negative minded people like you who say that India is a waste country, full of beggers and snake charmers, that others also get that negative mentality. Stop talking nonsense about your own country and the city you live in. Only if you stop hating, will you stop loving and help the country and the city improve.

I feel, or probably dont feel, sad about your loss. But its like telling, hey guys, my dad died cos he was run over by a car. Hence I burnt off my car and will ask you all to burn your cars as well. As long as motor vehicles exist, people are going to die. They die in america and they die in africa. Learn to live with motor vehicles. You need them and they dont care what you feel and what you lost.

[Vineet]

Yes more cycling news please. Though I'd appreciate more links which
provide stats rather than random links about deaths.
If you look at the Traffic police stats about fatalities and other
accidents you will realize that the Traffic cops have actually done a
good job in keeping the accidents down given that population (both
vehicle and human) has gone up substantially in the last ten years
(stats from 2002 to 2012)

And let's keep the discussion on this forum civil. Peace

Regards
Vineet

On Mar 31, 8:57 pm, Dipankar Paul <pauldipankar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "India leads the world in road accidents"

> *WHAT UTTER NONSENSE DUDE!!! WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING YOUR STATISTICS
> FROM!!*

>
> Stop cooking your own stats. Please present your source of data or SHUT THE
> FUCK UP.
>

> India at 16.8 deaths per 1 Lac population, *fares lot better that world
> average *at 20 deaths per 1 Lakh population. Refer this link if you want.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_dea...

>
> Its because of negative minded people like you who say that India is a
> waste country, full of beggers and snake charmers, that others also get
> that negative mentality. Stop talking nonsense about your own country and
> the city you live in. Only if you stop hating, will you stop loving and
> help the country and the city improve.
>
> I feel, or probably dont feel, sad about your loss. But its like telling,
> hey guys, my dad died cos he was run over by a car. Hence I burnt off my
> car and will ask you all to burn your cars as well. As long as motor
> vehicles exist, people are going to die. They die in america and they die

> in africa. *Learn to live with motor vehicles. You need them and they dont
> care what you feel and what you lost.*

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:59:32 PM UTC+5:30, murali wrote:
>
> > India leads the world in road accidents, hence we young people should
> > think in enabling road safety & bring in better responsibility.
>
> >http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,5519345,00.html
>

> >http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-19/india/31076588...

>
> > Infact the current commissioner of BBMP, Mr Shankarlinge Gowdas son died
> > in a road accident , yet the government authorities fail to act and take
> > immediate action knowing fully that the house is burning.
>
> > It costs a huge loss to the people and the nation to lose a young soul, we
> > just cannot ignore by saying ,"Every day 2 people die on Bangalore roads..
> > We got to live with it..bcoz tomorrow it might be your chance ".
>
> > Not to scare the people here - this is a fact - my neighbor (a very close
> > family friend) who just retired after spending his life as a banker,  got
> > hit while trying to cross the road and he is brain dead and lying simply on
> > bed for the last two years.
>
> > My uncle  (my moms brother  ) got run over and was killed by a lorry few
> > years back and all i can say is the trauma of accident is hard to forget
> > for the near and dear ones.
>
> > We are all affected and we are responsible for the sucking culture that
> > pays no respect to pedestrians and cyclists.
> > As vasu wanted the discussion to be interested ! Can everyone list down
> > five things they will do to reduce accidents amongst our friends and
> > relatives and friends in our company.
>
> > 1> DO a "thank god we are still alive workshop" explaining the road safety
> > aspects to ur colleagues 2> Identify the danger spots on the way to your
> > office and ask people to be careful near the spots.
> > 3> If he is a cyclist , share the safety tips.
> > 4> If he is a bike fellow/ car fellow, ask him to be careful to pedestrian
> > and cyclists.
>

> > *Let us do some joint action. How about organizing a bicycle ride for
> > road safety ?
> > *
> > Regards,
> > Murali,

>
> > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Mayank Rungta <mr.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>  Not sure about your experience doc but for a city like Bangalore where
> >> we know how things are implemented sans the things Vasu mentioned for
> >> pedestrians. A simple exercise would be to cross the Domlur flyover
> >> junction over foot - it is quite enlightening if you haven't tried it. As a
> >> car driver I would love signal free corridors, NICE roads, elevated
> >> highways, widened roads, etc. But is it really about what few people like
> >> or scalability? We all agree that public transport has to be good and let's
> >> hope that some effort is put in that direction. Most of the effort
> >> currently only increases vehicular movement - we should be penalizing
> >> personal vehicles and encouraging public transport - not vice versa.
>
> >> A closer comparison will be -
>

> >>http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/64257-karac...

>
> >> On a more appropriate forum for this topic -
>

> >>http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/64257-karac...

>
> >> BTW, use google/yahoo map and check out San Francisco, supposedly an
> >> official "sister-city" of Bangalore. Take a look and tell us all how many
> >> signal free corridors you find criss-crossing that city . Not many, and not
> >> even to zip through the heart of this city in a very car friendly state.
>
> >> This makes sense to me logically even in my stay abroad I have seen only
> >> expressways to be signal free and this was only in US. In my limited stay
> >> in Europe, not sure I saw any such thing in the city, neither in Barcelona
> >> or Oslo. But then I never drove so I wouldn't know - always was walking or
> >> in public transport both of which are good modes in all these places.
>
> >> --

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>
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>
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[Sameer Shisodia]

And those are usually expressways created for this purpose, not local/multiuse roads (for local short distance travel, for serving establishments along the road) taken and converted for this purpose. Fundamental difference

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[deepakvrao]

But the guys hear are ANTI that even. They dont want signal free ring
roads, nor an expressway to the airport.

> > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o# a much shared video

>
> > > > --
> > > > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> > > > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?

> > > > Visitwww.bangalorebicyclechampionships.comformore details

>
> > --
> > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?

> > Visitwww.bangalorebicyclechampionships.comfor more details
>
> --
>
> Sameer Shisodia, Bangalore
> <http://lingerleisure.in>
>
> *Vacations for runners, bikers, book-lovers, walkers, hammock-dwellers and
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> *
> *
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[RT]

Well I'm not anti signal-free corridors. And while acknowledging that
this city seems to be a little worse off (than some others I've lived
in India) in terms of pedestrian crossings, I'm really not sure how
much that will help. Inherently, I find that even where there are
facilities to allow pedestrians to cross a road, be it an overbridge
or subway, Indians tend to simply ignore them and still cut across the
road. Some might argue that the subways aren't overly well maintained
and can sometimes be a security issue but I think thats more an excuse
than anything else. There are perfectly clean and safe facilities that
are never used. The overbridge across 100 feet road Indranagar, near
Barbeque Nation springs to mind. I almost NEVER see anyone using it
despite the fact that there is always a crowd crossing the road
beneath it. Same goes for most overbridges in railway stations. I
still see people trying to cut across the tracks rather than burn the
few extra calories by taking the bridge. We can argue for more
facilities until we are blue in the face but its a somewhat moot
debate if the majority of people don't want to use them.

> > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o#a much shared video

>
> > > > > --
> > > > > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> > > > > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?
> > > > > Visitwww.bangalorebicyclechampionships.comformoredetails
>
> > > --
> > > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> > > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?
> > > Visitwww.bangalorebicyclechampionships.comformore details
>
> > --
>

[Mayank Rungta]

That's an unfair assumption. Again the expressway to airport extends into the city here and has no consideration for pedestrians whatsoever the few things vasu said are a must and how many places do you see those? The trees cut often without any logic or reasoning and mostly illegally. If you are interested please read more into what is happening before you insinuate people are anti development... That's a sincere request.

[Ravi Prakash]

Roadies,
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Ravip

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From: Ravi Prakash <ravipra...@gmail.com>

Sender: bangalor...@googlegroups.com

Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:52:25 +0530

To: Bangalore Bikers Club<bangalor...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: [BBC] Re: Death of a techie in BTM layout

[Dipankar Paul]

Yah sure Ravi we can help you to buy a bike on this forum.

What kind of road bike you planning to buy?
Option 1 - A full carbon awesome Specialised bike (bicycle) comes for about 3.2 Lacs. Wanna go for it? Have a look at the sexy bikes ;)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/469460_10150753379271343_929879179_o.jpg

Option 2 - Or a motorised Harley Davidson Road Bike around the same price?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4fVBL4fjrFI/SpZppD99ffI/AAAAAAAADOQ/-c-hDRdhTtM/s800/Harley-Davidson.jpg

[Dipankar Paul]

Roads are meant to be used by bikes, isnt it Anil? So lets help sell some more bikes and increase the road population and hence wider roads!!!  ;)

On Monday, April 2, 2012 12:01:13 PM UTC+5:30, anil s kadsur wrote:

It is only about ROAD now no BIKE....lol

Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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From: Ravi Prakash <ravipra...@gmail.com>

Sender: bangalore-bikers@googlegroups.com

Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:52:25 +0530

To: Bangalore Bikers Club<bangalore-bikers@googlegroups.com>

[Ravi Prakash]

oh chill I am looking out for a moderate one not is lacks ofcourse

[RT]

Sigh.... Dude, they are being sarcastic because you are posting a
thoroughly unresearched question in absolutely the wrong thread.

Tip: Do some of your own research (even google will help), visit a few
stores and then start a new thread with specific questions and people
will be happy to help.

On Apr 2, 11:40 am, Ravi Prakash <raviprakash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> oh chill I am looking out for a moderate one not is lacks ofcourse
>

> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Dipankar Paul <pauldipankar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Roads are meant to be used by bikes, isnt it Anil? So lets help sell some
> > more bikes and increase the road population and hence wider roads!!!  ;)
>
> > On Monday, April 2, 2012 12:01:13 PM UTC+5:30, anil s kadsur wrote:
>
> >> It is only about ROAD now no BIKE....lol
>
> >> Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

> >> ------------------------------
> >> *From: * Ravi Prakash <raviprakash...@gmail.com>
> >> *Sender: * bangalore-bikers@googlegroups.**com<bangalor...@googlegroups.com>
> >> *Date: *Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:52:25 +0530
> >> *To: *Bangalore Bikers Club<bangalore-bikers@**googlegroups.com<bangalor...@googlegroups.com>
>
> >> *Subject: *Re: [BBC] Re: Death of a techie in BTM layout

>
> >> Roadies,
> >> looking out to own a Road bike need some inputs from your end. Please do
> >> help me out.....:)
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ravip
>

> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Mayank Rungta <mr.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> That's an unfair assumption. Again the expressway to airport extends
> >>> into the city here and has no consideration for pedestrians whatsoever the
> >>> few things vasu said are a must and how many places do you see those? The
> >>> trees cut often without any logic or reasoning and mostly illegally. If you
> >>> are interested please read more into what is happening before you insinuate
> >>> people are anti development... That's a sincere request.

> >>>> > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/**watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o#<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o#>a much shared video

>
> >>>> > > > > --
> >>>> > > > > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers
> >>>> Club" :)
>
> >>>> > > > > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?

> >>>> > > > > Visitwww.**bangalorebicyclechampionships.**comformore details

>
> >>>> > > --
> >>>> > > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> >>>> > > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?

> >>>> > > Visitwww.**bangalorebicyclechampionships.**comfor more details

>
> >>>> > --
>
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>
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> >>>> > * <http://lingerleisure.in/>*
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> >>>> are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?

> >>>> Visit www.**bangalorebicyclechampionships.**com<http://www.bangalorebicyclechampionships.com>for more details

>
> >>>  --
> >>> biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> >>> are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?

> >>> Visit www.**bangalorebicyclechampionships.**com<http://www.bangalorebicyclechampionships.com>for more details

>
> >>  --
> >> biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> >> are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?

> >> Visit www.**bangalorebicyclechampionships.**com<http://www.bangalorebicyclechampionships.com>for more details

[BikeyVenky]

Haha.. Ravi,

Define 'moderate one'. :)

You didn't quite get the point the Ironman was trying to make. You need to specify your budget and other requirements like what you intend to use it for(commute vs training per say) for anyone to come up with any meaningful suggestions.

[deepakvrao]

Expressway to airport *has* to extend into the city.

Like another poster said, so many walkways and overhead walkways have
been constructed , for example on 100ft road, airport road etc, but
pedestrians still cross on the road. No point if the facilities are
not used as designed.

Education is what the average pedestrian [well, as well as the
motorist] are realy lacking I guess.

On Apr 2, 11:18 am, Mayank Rungta <mr.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's an unfair assumption. Again the expressway to airport extends into
> the city here and has no consideration for pedestrians whatsoever the few
> things vasu said are a must and how many places do you see those? The trees
> cut often without any logic or reasoning and mostly illegally. If you are
> interested please read more into what is happening before you insinuate
> people are anti development... That's a sincere request.

> > > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o#a much shared video

>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> > > > > > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?
> > > > > > Visitwww.bangalorebicyclechampionships.comformoredetails
>
> > > > --
> > > > biking conversations on the world famous "Bangalore Bikers Club" :)
>
> > > > are you a part of the bicycle racing scene?
> > > > Visitwww.bangalorebicyclechampionships.comformore details
>
> > > --
>

[Dipankar Paul]

Ha ha Venky!! You ruined the fun man :( Still I will try to keep it interesting. ;)

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BRAKES	Cable operated Caliper type brakes. Friction-free cable casings for effective braking. Steel sheet formed brake levers for effective braking.
MUDGUARDS	Sleek Mudguards with longer length
HUBS	Steel CP, Thin Barrel Hubs.
PEDALS	Reflectorised molded-rubber type pedals with steel side plates.
SADDLE	Ergonomically engineered extra cushy, Integral PU foam Molded
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[Ravi Prakash]

Hey Buds,
Thanks for you mail, I have been looking out for Giant TCR composite2, or Wilier triestina (imperiele). I did check with RR they don't have these two models, so blank on what's next move !!

Regards,
Ravip

[Ashish Nabira]

I think the solution is follow traffice rules. Cars, bikes and pedestrians also !!!!

Pls build some subways and overbridges to cross roads.

regards;
Ashish

Thanks and Regards;
Ashish Nabira
" Work is worship."

[Jagannath Moorthy]

Wow, the solution was right there starting at us and we never knew.

Will get working on it right away, Sir.

[Ashish Nabira]

:-)

[Mayank Rungta]

I am marking this OT again as it is purely urban planning discussion -
though a road friendly to pedestrians automatically means friendlier for
bikers! :)

It is time we took a step back and checked if this discussion is going
only for the heck of it pro car vs pro pedestrian. At least I am clear
that roads can't be made safe for _idiots_ who invite trouble on
themselves but definitely hoping that children, elderly, women &
disabled are accounted for in the designs.

See inline -

> Expressway to airport *has* to extend into the city.

Yes but does it continue to be a signal free corridor within city limits?

>
> Like another poster said, so many walkways and overhead walkways have
> been constructed , for example on 100ft road, airport road etc, but
> pedestrians still cross on the road. No point if the facilities are
> not used as designed.

Let's consider the failure points -

1. I haven't seen any foot bridges on the new airport road will keep an
eye in future. If I am a pedestrian and I have to walk half a kilometer
one side to climb a foot bridge or a subway provided one exists - what
are my chances of using it - not forgetting lack of public toilets and
safety of women in subways.

2. If there is a median (that needs to be climbed across to cross then
it make sense to provide these. I am not sure why the one near domlur
flyover was constructed. It is far easier to just get across the road as
there is a signal right under the bridge. I will check what kind of
hoardings it has if any - a good place for that though! :))

3. A foot bridge makes good business sense as it kind of pays for itself
in the long run with the advertisements - hoardings. A sustainable
approach but foot bridges are not disabled friendly - and we are talking
about solution for a density of 8000 people per sq km - yes I know urban
planing is no piece of cake and I am hoping it is treated such by the
govt officials and people accordingly!

That said I do hope they still build more such walkways as it will take
care of at least some cases.

>
> Education is what the average pedestrian [well, as well as the
> motorist] are realy lacking I guess.

Couldn't agree more on this with you. You have jerks - both on foot and
in automobiles. Even bikes for that matter! :)

But the issue in question is orthogonal to this. Do we plan the city in
a way that encourages vehicles or work towards stronger public
transport and such?