5th "CFOSE"India International Cycle, Fitness & Outdoor Sports Expo 2016 in Bangalore

[TFN Deepak Majipatil]

Dear Friends ,

5th “CFOSE” India International Cycle, Fitness & Outdoor Sports Expo 2016 will be held at White Orchid Convention Center, Manyata Tech Park

Bangalore, (INDIA) on 5th, 6th & 7th August, 2016, tomorrow starting at 10AM

Google coordinates (13.043061, 77.618037). Entry through first gate of Manyata Techpark coming from Hebbal side.

People coming from other side may need to take a U TURN in next available flyover on ring road after Tech Park and come back towards the same gate.

Be there and support Tour of Nilgiris Sponsors and partners (Firefox & Heini) and look whats happening in Cycling industry in India.

Thanks & Best Regards,

RIDE,CHERISH,REMEMBER

Deepak Majipatil,
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[Ali Poonawala]

Hope this works !

13°02'35.0"N 77°37'04.9"E

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[berkeleydb]

Wrote a blog post re: my trip to the expo -- http://velotab.blogspot.in/2016/08/cfose-5th-edition-bangalore-2016-08-05.html

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[Deepak Majipatil]

Nice blog post. May b a bigger better exhibition next year.  We shall put a word to them for sure.

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[Opendro]

It was mostly empty and no enthusiasm around.

The main attraction for me and Ganapathy was the Hero cromoly flip flop for 19K :

There as an internal gear system hub. It had only three gears. Disappointing since I was eyeing for the Nuvinci "CVT" hub for a long time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN8CCY1vFC8 

Gana obviously had more fetish for the deep section rims and fat bikes (26 x 4.0 tires). He is buying the fat tires soon.

:-D

Gana and I had a thrilling time riding the penny farthing bikes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny-farthing. Sorry, I didn't take pic as I was busy taking the video of his ride.

[Deepak Majipatil]

yeah.true lesser crowd but not empty. may be next year its more crowd there if some one does it.

I personally expected to see many cyclists to visit after me & Venky sir  posting on our fb walls.

And all the success of an exhibition happens when all cyclists visit it.many big brands & stores from Bangalore were missing

I actually met a person with kid staying in Yelahanka to look out for good bikes and he said he had not clue about the BBCH or
TFN or anything happening in Bangalore. have taken his number. Will introduce them here.

Actually many asked about competitions / rides happening in Bangalore and was surprised to hear all our initiatives.

You guys can see some of the photos i took, mostly around Heini store.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10209044472883130.1073741880.1057032751&type=1&l=a658b3deba

There was this Milano single speed / fixies bike(Very beautiful) which is from UT brand of Hero cost some 17K & red colored Java foldable bike with Altus derailuer which the seller said 35K. I felt its worth to invest if people are using Metro. Lovely bike to ride.

most of bikes mentioned are in photo set. I wish i had time to taken photos of all the bikes  but there was very little time while i was helping and interacting visitors coming to TFN partners stall regularly. I could manage going there full day for all three days as it was close proximity to my place. many suggested a center of city for such kind of exhibitions but the problem is Dynamics of running a show like this is tough to impossible in centre of the city. there were many general visitors from all over the South India who visited the exhibition.

We should think of doing something like this every year with all brands and all Bangalore stores under one roof.

I wish we had more & more cyclist and general visitors attending this event.

May be next year.

Deepak

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[Deepak Majipatil]

penny-farthing bike is available in Jayanth store in Jayanagar. you guys should go there and check it out.

riding it was insane and could not even pedal it. I just dont imagine how this bike was used on in olden days.

[Opendro]

Today morning at traffic junction:

 A two wheeler : how much is this cycle?

 Me : 25K

 Two wheeler : in India?

 Me : bought here only.

 Auto driver next to biker : For 25, you can get a TVS

 Me : But you need to fill petrol for that. I don't need to fill petrol for this.

The two were not prepared for this statement from me. They two were repeating and murmuring my statement and wondering what I meant as I sped away LOL

[Opendro]

Not sure when you went. But Gana and I managed to convince the sales guy to fix the handle issue. I was the first to ride successfully and everyone else rode in first attempt after that. The sales guy was surprised at that. He was earlier saying "you need practice, you cannot ride...". I only convinced him that I do ride unicycles and it shouldn't be so difficult and got him to fix the issues :-) It was yesterday at 4 pm.

[Deepak Majipatil]

people dont use their heads.They just argue.It good to ignore and move on.

missed meeting you in there. I was there too. My friend from Heini rode it day before.

Thats penny-farthing bike you were talking about right.

Deepak

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[Chidambaran Subramanian]

When they say , you can get a bike for the same price, I normally use the line

"How does its mileage compare to mine" ?

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[Ashok Kumar S]

Good one, Opendro!

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Thanks and regards,
Ashok Kumar S.

[Narayan R]

Comparing

Typically a splendor is 1.30 Rs per Km including maintenance.

If you replace a cassette and chain and a good service every 5000 Km = 2500 Rs

So, its approx 50 Paise per Km.

Honestly 50 Paise per Km is high.

Any cycle that is self well maintained and sees less replacement is better.

With Regards,

R Narayan.

P.S : let us not get in environment benefits, thats a different talk.

[Ashok Kumar S]

Cassette and chain every 5000km??? 

[Opendro]

True Narayan.

Servicing of bicycle is expensive. But it is too easy to service ourselves compared to a motorcycle.

Even the spares are expensive for a bicycle. But good parts are durable. I replaced only tubes, a pair of brake pads, a pair of handle bar grips, one chain, one freewheel and rear axle in my last commuter (since 2010). I didn't even replace the tires and the bike is given to one of my friends. I just bought a new one which attracted the attention. I'm going to count the years I ride on this before I replace anything at all.

The running cost of bicycle is literally zero if you are willing to get hands dirty once in a year.

[Opendro]

My cassettes/freewheels/chains on both road bike and hybrid did more than 20,000 km. I haven't got much change to use the MTB and hence I cannot comment on it.

[Aravind M S]

On my MTB, which has done 21K, i have replaced the chain only once and still using the stock cassette.

On 8 Aug 2016 2:07 p.m., "Opendro" <ope...@gmail.com> wrote:

My cassettes/freewheels on both road bike and hybrid did more than 20,000 km. I haven't got much change to use the MTB and hence I cannot comment on it.

On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 1:46:24 PM UTC+5:30, Ashok Kumar S wrote:

Thanks and regards,
Ashok Kumar S.

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[Ali Poonawala]

Open..
You said

The running cost of bicycle is literally zero if you are willing to get hands dirty once in a year..

That is a slight exaggeration !!

Ali Poonawala

[O p e n d r o]

Mine was literally that. I hadn't spent at all.

[berkeleydb]

I had gone there on Sat evening, & I was the only cyclist there. I did see one cyclist leaving as I was parking, but that was about it. (By cyclists, I mean folks like us who are doing cycling as a lifestyle choice.)

Would be good to have more cyclists at these expos. While I got the feeling that the focus of the expo may have been B2B, having cyclists visit such expos in good numbers & interacting with the bike businesses would definitely be very encouraging for the bike businesses. That should contribute to them putting up bigger, better booths in subsequent expos. Plus the bike businesses could get some useful inputs re: the Indian market, directly from cyclists. While cyclists get to find out about new things that are coming to the Indian market.

After my interaction with the BigBen folks outside the convention centre (as I was leaving), I felt I should have spent some time going to those "other" booths as well. Never know when a casual conversation may trigger some concrete action. I really hope the BigBen folks look at making a Brooks-like saddle. :)

-{db}.

[Ali Poonawala]

Hi Open
When we say "expenses" for maintenance...please do not disregard 'time' , most expensive item.
So..if you fix a flat using previously purchased patch, levers, glue and pump.. time spent in doing so, is your running expense ! Minimum will be 15 minutes.
That running expense, in terms of time, for Bicycling is pretty high, compared to let us say a good car.
Each time you ride in rain, cleaning drying is a task you neglect at your own peril.

If we deny that .. we are ," being economical with truth" !

Warm regards
Ali Poonawala

[Opendro]

On a serious note, would you elaborate the running cost of a bicycle? I mean, excluding the food we eat to pedal.

Tools, grease, oil, etc. are one time expense which last forever. Puncture patches are Re. 1 each and each tube (Rs. 200) last for at least 5000 km. Tires last literally forever. Chain will last 15000 km and cost Rs. 700. Cassette last a little longer and cost approximately the same. So will a pair of brake pads. I usually use turpentine oil for cleaning and a litre lasts a couple of year easily.

Let me put a rough estimate of Rs. 3000 for 15000 km. So, 20 paise per km.

I haven't included accidental damages of course. I do have a pulsar and an aviator and I know the running cost. For petrol itself, it is Rs. 1.70 per km. Regular maintenance will be about 1500 to 2000 per 3000 km depending on whether transmission oil needs replacement or not. The disc brake and rotor on aviator cost 2500 and both need replacement at around 35000 km depending on driving style. I have replaced many more things, besides tires, battery and other electrical parts. Approximately, it will be Re. 3 to 4 per km for a motorcycle without taking into consideration of the depreciation of the bike which will have to be junked eventually as so many other things will old, including suspensions and internal drive train parts.

[Ashok Kumar S]

time spent is well spent and can't be considered as an expense if you spent it on something you like. Some like cleaning and maintaining their bikes on their own, and some do it very passionately... So, it is very subjective. ;-)

regards,

Ashok

[Opendro]

I never wash my bicycles and motorcycles and I ride in the mud and rain too. I wash my car only once in three months. So, no time wasted.

I get puncture once in 6 or more months. Patching a bicycle puncture takes less time than standing in a petrol pump line.

I do realize that many of us might be pushing the bike inside house and thus might need cleaning. I agree their plight. But it hardly rains in Bangalore - may be about 0.5% of the time in a year or 1% if we include the mud/slush after rain stops :-) So, it is not countable.

[Ashok Kumar S]

Open, which are these 1 Re patches? Do you use pieces cut from old tubes?

regards,

Ashok

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[Opendro]

Haha... true Ashok. Even otherwise, imagine, I have to visit my car service twice a year at the minimum. Each trip takes half a day - going in traffic, waiting for the service advisor, explaining, removing items from car before that, and running back home after that (or riding back the foldie Chidu lent me for a while). It is a big task.

[Opendro]

No. They are patches bought from cycle shops. Sree once said that buying from market should cost less than 30 paise. If you keep a couple of spare tubes, you can actually buy the patches and glues once in two years - patch once all tubes are used up, because glues expire even if you don't use it up.

[Ashok Kumar S]

Do those work with the pressures we pump up (say 100psi)? Not tried them. Will switch to those actually. I picked around 30 tubes from Decathlon when they put them on clearance sale (2 tubes for 30Rs) and have not been patching any tube ever since. ;-)

regards,

Ashok

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[O p e n d r o]

Of course, they do. I had been using them on road bikes too, though I rarely pump to 100 psi. 40 to 45 on hybrid and 70 to 90 on a road bike for me.

[vivek]

Ashok, I have used the Omni patches from LBS on my road bikes. I even cut them to account for the tire size (700 X 23) and it worked perfectly. The only instance it didn't work, the culprit was the gum not the patch.

Regards,

Vivek

On Tuesday, 9 August 2016 14:55:43 UTC+5:30, Ashok Kumar S wrote:

Do those work with the pressures we pump up (say 100psi)? Not tried them. Will switch to those actually. I picked around 30 tubes from Decathlon when they put them on clearance sale (2 tubes for 30Rs) and have not been patching any tube ever since. ;-)

regards,

Ashok

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Opendro <ope...@gmail.com> wrote:

No. They are patches bought from cycle shops. Sree once said that buying from market should cost less than 30 paise. If you keep a couple of spare tubes, you can actually buy the patches and glues once in two years - patch once all tubes are used up, because glues expire even if you don't use it up.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 2:46:44 PM UTC+5:30, Ashok Kumar S wrote:

Open, which are these 1 Re patches? Do you use pieces cut from old tubes?

regards,

Ashok

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[Ashok Kumar S]

Just two days ago I bought 2x6 patches for Rs 400/- :(

Thanks and regards,

Ashok

[Vivek Kubaji]

If I had to spend money on patches it would be the 'Magic patches' from Parktool. Long back I had purchased a pack of 6 for Rs 100/-. The best part - it doesn't require additional glue and comes in form of a sticker. I used the last one of those after more than a year and it still worked perfectly. Also its compact - smaller than a matchbox. Very ideal for brevets or long rides.

But haven't come across these patches lately. Wonder if they are available.

Regards,

Vivek

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[Opendro]

Before others read this thread, try re-selling at a discount in some other forum ;)

[Ashok Kumar S]

Not before grabbing a few omni patches. 😉

Thanks and regards,

Ashok

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[berkeleydb]

The Parktool branded patches are probably better is various ways, but there are self adhesive noname brand patches available. I have picked up some from time to time... ~Rs2 per patch I think? They are available in round & rectangular shapes... 2-3 sizes too, IIRC.

Not sure if Opendro was referring to self adhesive patches.

-{db}.

[Opendro]

I was not referring to self adhesive ones. I did buy parktool as well as decathlon self adhesive ones for my TransAm though I never got to use them. As someone pointed out, on a long ride, it is sometimes convenient. Often, the glue tube goes bad due to excessive bouncing on the road and heat. I pack glue tube in a compact plastic box. Yet, it couldn't survive the 104 day long heat in some stretches of TransAm and glue spilled out of the tube. This is in spite of insulating all around with clothes. Of course, it would still be usable, but messy.

So, it is good to carry both glue and self adhesive ones for long rides. I haven't found self adhesive ones in shops. But I know they must be available because small puncture shops use it.

[berkeleydb]

Agree. Infact, one complaint I have with "big" glue tubes (well, I have seen just one brand; Comet, I think? Yellow & red tube colour), is that it's a metal tube, that itself tends to punture. :( So the glue ooozes out & goes waste. I too started carrying it in a hard plastic box/bottle, so that it get's some protection. Wish they made the tube body of some good plastic. Till then, the self adhesive patches will be all the more valuable.

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