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Jordan Kinney
Oct 25, 2011, 7:56:17 AM10/25/11
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Lawrence Betterini
Oct 25, 2011, 8:08:13 AM10/25/11
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The introduction of the short story "Looking at Women" by Scott
Sanders ends on the second page after the line "still puzzling over
how to dwell in the force field of desire"(Sanders). He poses the
question in this introduction about how the girl would have felt if
she knew that two young boys were gawking at her from the car. I
think that she would not have minded because if she were to dress in
such a way where she looked like she was poured into her clothing, she
was obviously looking for attention. I also believe the author was
trying to show how the loss of innocence can be a cause of how we
dress and how others present themselves. For example, the young boy
was thinking of sex just because of how another person was dressing.
This is clearly a loss of innocence for the young boy who should have
known nothing of sex.
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Sanders ends on the second page after the line "still puzzling over
how to dwell in the force field of desire"(Sanders). He poses the
question in this introduction about how the girl would have felt if
she knew that two young boys were gawking at her from the car. I
think that she would not have minded because if she were to dress in
such a way where she looked like she was poured into her clothing, she
was obviously looking for attention. I also believe the author was
trying to show how the loss of innocence can be a cause of how we
dress and how others present themselves. For example, the young boy
was thinking of sex just because of how another person was dressing.
This is clearly a loss of innocence for the young boy who should have
known nothing of sex.
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Lawrence Betterini
Oct 25, 2011, 8:12:27 AM10/25/11
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One word in this piece which I found that I did not understand was
"Compendium". The word can be found in the second paragraph of page
296. According to Dictionary.com, this word means a summary, or a
quick overview of the topic. Therefore the sentence means that the
author is going to show us a few examples of what quickly summarizes
how a man should look at a woman.
"Compendium". The word can be found in the second paragraph of page
296. According to Dictionary.com, this word means a summary, or a
quick overview of the topic. Therefore the sentence means that the
author is going to show us a few examples of what quickly summarizes
how a man should look at a woman.
Jordan Kinney
Oct 25, 2011, 8:13:52 AM10/25/11
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The structure of the paragraph is intriguing. It starts off with the
same idea as the end of the paragraph. In the beginning the boy
thinks that this girl is the greatest person he's ever seen and at the
end his buddy says shes a nice looking girl. The way this girl looks
confuses the boys as to bringing a new understanding of girls
overall. Sander's does not have a thesis so far but maybe as we read
we will find out that he doe have a thesis.
same idea as the end of the paragraph. In the beginning the boy
thinks that this girl is the greatest person he's ever seen and at the
end his buddy says shes a nice looking girl. The way this girl looks
confuses the boys as to bringing a new understanding of girls
overall. Sander's does not have a thesis so far but maybe as we read
we will find out that he doe have a thesis.
Ms. Bafumi
Oct 25, 2011, 8:16:11 AM10/25/11
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The opening pages of the story is just explaining how these two young
boys think and feel about a girl that is wearing revealing clothing
and the confusion of how it makes them think. The thesis in this story
to me is on page 296 in the second paragraph when it says," What I
present here are a few images and reflections that cling, for me, to
this one item in such a compendium of rules: how should a man look at
women."
boys think and feel about a girl that is wearing revealing clothing
and the confusion of how it makes them think. The thesis in this story
to me is on page 296 in the second paragraph when it says," What I
present here are a few images and reflections that cling, for me, to
this one item in such a compendium of rules: how should a man look at
women."
Lawrence Betterini
Oct 25, 2011, 8:17:10 AM10/25/11
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One question that I found interesting which was posed by Sanders was
on page 296 in the 4th and 5th paragraphs. He asks for what reason
women like to show off their bodies or let their bodies be shown in
magazines such as Playboy? What do you think the answer to this
question is?
on page 296 in the 4th and 5th paragraphs. He asks for what reason
women like to show off their bodies or let their bodies be shown in
magazines such as Playboy? What do you think the answer to this
question is?
Jordan Kinney
Oct 25, 2011, 8:20:53 AM10/25/11
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Two words i am confused on are "jostled" which is in the third
paragraph on the first page and "tantalizing" which is in the third
paragraph on the second page. Jostled means to unsettle; disturb.
And tantalizing means having something that provokes or arouses
expectation, interest or desire.
paragraph on the first page and "tantalizing" which is in the third
paragraph on the second page. Jostled means to unsettle; disturb.
And tantalizing means having something that provokes or arouses
expectation, interest or desire.
Lawrence Betterini
Oct 25, 2011, 8:03:17 AM10/25/11
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The introduction to "Looking at Women" by Scott Sanders ends halfway
through the second page after the line "still puzzling over how to
dwell in the force field of desire."(Sanders). The author poses the
question to the reader about how the girl wearing the tight, pink
clothing would have felt to see two young boys gawking at her for her
dress. I think that she probably would not have minded because if she
were to dress in such a way, where it looked as if she was poured into
her clothing, she obviously was looking for attention. I also believe
that the author was trying to say how the loss of innocence can result
from the way we or another person dresses. The eleven year old boy
was thinking about sex just because of the way the other girl
dressed. This is clearly a loss of innocence for the young boy.
through the second page after the line "still puzzling over how to
dwell in the force field of desire."(Sanders). The author poses the
question to the reader about how the girl wearing the tight, pink
clothing would have felt to see two young boys gawking at her for her
dress. I think that she probably would not have minded because if she
were to dress in such a way, where it looked as if she was poured into
her clothing, she obviously was looking for attention. I also believe
that the author was trying to say how the loss of innocence can result
from the way we or another person dresses. The eleven year old boy
was thinking about sex just because of the way the other girl
dressed. This is clearly a loss of innocence for the young boy.
Jordan Kinney
Oct 25, 2011, 6:41:49 PM10/25/11
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How should a man look at a women?
Jordan Kinney
Oct 25, 2011, 6:45:47 PM10/25/11
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I find that when Sander's tells a story i can connect to them in many
ways. Especially the first one. The opening paragraph i know how
Sander's feels because i too was once in that position where my friend
was talking about a girl and it hit me. Is this how most guys look at
girls and if so how does this make the girl feel? This helps me
understand Sander's because it connects to my life.
ways. Especially the first one. The opening paragraph i know how
Sander's feels because i too was once in that position where my friend
was talking about a girl and it hit me. Is this how most guys look at
girls and if so how does this make the girl feel? This helps me
understand Sander's because it connects to my life.
Ian Tamburini
Oct 25, 2011, 10:59:48 PM10/25/11
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Unfamiliar word pg 294: Semaphore- an apparatus for conveying
information by means of visual signals, as a light whose position may
be changed.
information by means of visual signals, as a light whose position may
be changed.
Ian Tamburini
Oct 25, 2011, 11:09:11 PM10/25/11
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The introduction section draws to a close on page 296 before the page
break. After reciting a childhood memory, he tells of how his views of
women have changed over time. For example he states, "Now thirty years
away from hat July afternoon, firmly married, twice a father, i am
still humming from the power unleashed by by the girl in the pink
shorts, still wondering how it made her feel," (Sanders 295).
Years have passed but his question still remains. Introduced in the
next paragraphs is this question; "How should a man look at a
woman," (sanders 295). This question is the thesis presented again on
the next page.
break. After reciting a childhood memory, he tells of how his views of
women have changed over time. For example he states, "Now thirty years
away from hat July afternoon, firmly married, twice a father, i am
still humming from the power unleashed by by the girl in the pink
shorts, still wondering how it made her feel," (Sanders 295).
Years have passed but his question still remains. Introduced in the
next paragraphs is this question; "How should a man look at a
woman," (sanders 295). This question is the thesis presented again on
the next page.
Ian Tamburini
Oct 25, 2011, 11:27:00 PM10/25/11
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I can connect with Scott's childhood memory of him and Norman. Norman,
older in age and therefore more attracted to women, murmurs to scott,
"Check out that chassis," in reference to a girl walking by (Sanders
294).
At first Norman doesn't understand what is so special about this girl,
because he is not quite as matured yet. But then it hits him when he
feels, "a sudden sympathetic twitch in [his] belly," (Sanders 294). It
is at this moment where he begins to realize his attraction to women.
I recall being younger when older cousins or friends would show
admiration for girls, when at the time I felt nothing and couldn't
understand why a man would feel such way. In a way, i was still
innocent or perhaps naive because of my age. Scott was the same way
until Norman pointed out the his admiration of this girl.
older in age and therefore more attracted to women, murmurs to scott,
"Check out that chassis," in reference to a girl walking by (Sanders
294).
At first Norman doesn't understand what is so special about this girl,
because he is not quite as matured yet. But then it hits him when he
feels, "a sudden sympathetic twitch in [his] belly," (Sanders 294). It
is at this moment where he begins to realize his attraction to women.
I recall being younger when older cousins or friends would show
admiration for girls, when at the time I felt nothing and couldn't
understand why a man would feel such way. In a way, i was still
innocent or perhaps naive because of my age. Scott was the same way
until Norman pointed out the his admiration of this girl.
Ian Tamburini
Oct 25, 2011, 11:31:39 PM10/25/11
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@ Lawrence Betterini "for what reason
mainly for the money they can make from it. A more psychological cause
could be the woman's upbringing. Someone who isn't nurtured or taught
to be modest at a younger age may grow up feeling more open about
their body and thus more willing to reveal oneself. Ultimately though
I believe it boils down to how much a woman cares about privacy, and
profits that can be made from such exposure.
women like to show off their bodies or let their bodies be shown in
magazines such as Playboy? What do you think the answer to this
question is? "
I feel that women who choose to expose themselves like this do so
magazines such as Playboy? What do you think the answer to this
question is? "
mainly for the money they can make from it. A more psychological cause
could be the woman's upbringing. Someone who isn't nurtured or taught
to be modest at a younger age may grow up feeling more open about
their body and thus more willing to reveal oneself. Ultimately though
I believe it boils down to how much a woman cares about privacy, and
profits that can be made from such exposure.
Ian Tamburini
Oct 25, 2011, 11:35:58 PM10/25/11
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After developing my connection to the story a question tha tstruck me
was on page 298. It reads"While Jimmy Carter raised a brouhaha by
confessing in a playboy interview, of all shady places, that he
occasionally felt lust in his heart for women. What man Has't aside
form those who feel lust in their hearts for other men?"
Are there any males who do not fit this qualification?
was on page 298. It reads"While Jimmy Carter raised a brouhaha by
confessing in a playboy interview, of all shady places, that he
occasionally felt lust in his heart for women. What man Has't aside
form those who feel lust in their hearts for other men?"
Are there any males who do not fit this qualification?
Evan Regan
Oct 26, 2011, 7:54:45 AM10/26/11
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One word that i was unfamiliar with is "tantalizing" its on the second
page third paragraph. It means, Torment or tease (someone) with the
sight or promise of something unobtainable.
page third paragraph. It means, Torment or tease (someone) with the
sight or promise of something unobtainable.
Evan Regan
Oct 26, 2011, 7:56:03 AM10/26/11
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A question i picked is How should a man look at a woman?
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Lawrence Betterini
Oct 25, 2011, 6:34:29 PM10/25/11
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During the piece, Sanders told a story where the mother of his friend
asked what the girl would think if she knew that two young boys were
gawking at her. I feel that if the girl knew that she looked like
"She was poured into her clothing"(Sanders). then she knew that she
would be attracting attention. I feel this way because the reader
knows that the way they dress will affect the way other people view
you. For example, if the reader is going out on a formal occasion,
they will dress more appropriate. On the other hand, if they are out
for a night with their friends they may dress very casually. The way
dress affects image and self-esteem definitely shows that the reader
will easily be able to connect to the author.
asked what the girl would think if she knew that two young boys were
gawking at her. I feel that if the girl knew that she looked like
"She was poured into her clothing"(Sanders). then she knew that she
would be attracting attention. I feel this way because the reader
knows that the way they dress will affect the way other people view
you. For example, if the reader is going out on a formal occasion,
they will dress more appropriate. On the other hand, if they are out
for a night with their friends they may dress very casually. The way
dress affects image and self-esteem definitely shows that the reader
will easily be able to connect to the author.
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Lawrence Betterini
Oct 26, 2011, 6:17:57 PM10/26/11
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One philosopher which Sanders mentioned in his piece was Jean-Jaques
Rousseau. This man was a philosopher who believed the advance in
technology in civilization creates a loss of morality and innocence.
Sanders preached this point as well because he argued that art and
technology such as the internet or pornography or magazines affect the
morals of civilization. "It makes and excuse for men to treat women
like a toy"(Sanders). He clearly believed in the philosophy of
Rousseau that advancements in science negatively affected our
civilization.
Rousseau. This man was a philosopher who believed the advance in
technology in civilization creates a loss of morality and innocence.
Sanders preached this point as well because he argued that art and
technology such as the internet or pornography or magazines affect the
morals of civilization. "It makes and excuse for men to treat women
like a toy"(Sanders). He clearly believed in the philosophy of
Rousseau that advancements in science negatively affected our
civilization.
Lawrence Betterini
Oct 26, 2011, 6:21:53 PM10/26/11
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I feel that Sanders wished to create a conclusion of guilt in the
reader. For example, he wrote that males express insecurities or a
lack of confidence when they look at a magazine or piece of art in
which a woman is revealing herself. This is because the man has to do
no work for his desire and therefore makes the woman nothing more than
a toy. Sanders constantly asks questions such as "How should a man
view a woman?" and he ends the story by telling us that men and women
are equal in each respect and there is no reason for one sex to be
more flambouyant than another.
reader. For example, he wrote that males express insecurities or a
lack of confidence when they look at a magazine or piece of art in
which a woman is revealing herself. This is because the man has to do
no work for his desire and therefore makes the woman nothing more than
a toy. Sanders constantly asks questions such as "How should a man
view a woman?" and he ends the story by telling us that men and women
are equal in each respect and there is no reason for one sex to be
more flambouyant than another.
Ian Tamburini
Oct 26, 2011, 11:22:39 PM10/26/11
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One person Sanders references is D.H. Lawrence.
http://www.online-literature.com/dh_lawrence/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._H._Lawrence
Sanders acknowledges Lawrence's faults, but does also comment on his,
"career-long struggle to achieve a more public tolerant vision of
sexuality as an exchange between equals," (303). Lawrence seems to be
a writer who comment son human nature and emotion, which is what
Sanders is doing in this essay in reference to women. The included
quote sum's up well the connection between his thesis and Lawrence's
studies. Both wanted others to view women in a more modest respectable
way.
http://www.online-literature.com/dh_lawrence/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._H._Lawrence
Sanders acknowledges Lawrence's faults, but does also comment on his,
"career-long struggle to achieve a more public tolerant vision of
sexuality as an exchange between equals," (303). Lawrence seems to be
a writer who comment son human nature and emotion, which is what
Sanders is doing in this essay in reference to women. The included
quote sum's up well the connection between his thesis and Lawrence's
studies. Both wanted others to view women in a more modest respectable
way.
Ian Tamburini
Oct 26, 2011, 11:33:02 PM10/26/11
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Overall sanders wanted to expose how men look at and treat women. This
is exemplified through his childhood memories and college ones. As a
child he was innocent to women, but as he came to college and saw the
revealing photos of women, he saw them in a new manner. frequently his
views of women either changed or couldn't be decided. He questioned
why women act certain ways, and why men view them in the ways they do.
He cited many authors and philosophers to try and explain these
behaviors. Also sanders used strong complex diction like, "semaphore,"
"myrrh," and "patriarch" (to name just a few). Words like this convey
a level of sophistication and are difficult to understand at times,
which correlates with the enigma of women. Women are so varying and
sophisticated, which is why men look at them in inconsistent ways.
is exemplified through his childhood memories and college ones. As a
child he was innocent to women, but as he came to college and saw the
revealing photos of women, he saw them in a new manner. frequently his
views of women either changed or couldn't be decided. He questioned
why women act certain ways, and why men view them in the ways they do.
He cited many authors and philosophers to try and explain these
behaviors. Also sanders used strong complex diction like, "semaphore,"
"myrrh," and "patriarch" (to name just a few). Words like this convey
a level of sophistication and are difficult to understand at times,
which correlates with the enigma of women. Women are so varying and
sophisticated, which is why men look at them in inconsistent ways.
Jordan Kinney
Oct 27, 2011, 7:40:48 AM10/27/11
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Lawrence Betterini
Oct 27, 2011, 7:46:06 AM10/27/11
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I feel the same way. The way Sander's tells the storys that he has
been through i feel like I've been through them too. Especially when
the older kid is looking at the girl it reminds of me and my older
brother.
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been through i feel like I've been through them too. Especially when
the older kid is looking at the girl it reminds of me and my older
brother.
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Jordan Kinney
Oct 27, 2011, 7:45:21 AM10/27/11
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I like your post and its true if guys are staring at girls and she
found out about it she would either be really mad or she may feel
happy that they are looking at her. The way people view you depends
on the way your are dressing and the way you act around people.
found out about it she would either be really mad or she may feel
happy that they are looking at her. The way people view you depends
on the way your are dressing and the way you act around people.
Jordan Kinney
Oct 27, 2011, 7:56:08 AM10/27/11
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Overall Sander's wanted to show that guys look at women in different
ways depending on how they dress and that the way you dress affects
just about everything in your life. If a girl wants to dress a
certain way they have to expect guys to look at her even if she
doesn't want them to. Guys look at girls everywhere from America to
any third world country and that's life and the way Sander's writes
this essay shows it. His style is very laid back like he agrees with
the fact of guys looking at girls. An example of this is, "I came to
appreciate the urgency for propagation that litters the roads with
maple seeds and drives salmon up waterfalls and yokes the newest crop
of boys to the newest crop of girls" (Sander's 295). This quote shows
that that's the way of life and nothing can change it.
ways depending on how they dress and that the way you dress affects
just about everything in your life. If a girl wants to dress a
certain way they have to expect guys to look at her even if she
doesn't want them to. Guys look at girls everywhere from America to
any third world country and that's life and the way Sander's writes
this essay shows it. His style is very laid back like he agrees with
the fact of guys looking at girls. An example of this is, "I came to
appreciate the urgency for propagation that litters the roads with
maple seeds and drives salmon up waterfalls and yokes the newest crop
of boys to the newest crop of girls" (Sander's 295). This quote shows
that that's the way of life and nothing can change it.
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