King's Speech I: Due Friday, April 13
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jonathan
Apr 12, 2012, 6:30:27 AM4/12/12
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This post will focus on the TRAIT APPROACH to personality assessment
and development.
Select 1 character from the list below. (If more than 5 people have
responded to one character thread, MOVE ON, pick another character!)
~Bertie
~Elizabeth
~Lionel Logue
~George V
~(David) Edward
Then, answer all of the following questions. If someone has already
answered on the character you wanted, post either an addition to
their
answers OR a disagreement/point of contention. IN YOUR REPLY, POST
THE CHARACTER'S NAME.
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
and development.
Select 1 character from the list below. (If more than 5 people have
responded to one character thread, MOVE ON, pick another character!)
~Bertie
~Elizabeth
~Lionel Logue
~George V
~(David) Edward
Then, answer all of the following questions. If someone has already
answered on the character you wanted, post either an addition to
their
answers OR a disagreement/point of contention. IN YOUR REPLY, POST
THE CHARACTER'S NAME.
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
Ava Varasteh
Apr 12, 2012, 9:02:51 AM4/12/12
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BERTIE:
1) Eysenck would most likely classify Bertie as introverted-neurotic.
Bertie shows signs of being moody by how quickly he gets angry, for
example when Lionel was recording him reading Hamlet while he was
listening to music and he snapped at him. Bertie is rigid, he does not
want Lionel to address him as Bertie, he says that only his family is
allowed to call him that. Lastly, Bertie is pessimistic. He does not
believe that Lionel can cure him of his stuttering therefore, he walks
out during his first session in frustration and tells Lionel that he
will no longer need his assistance.
2) Bertie does not respond more toward situationism, because his
stuttering has been consistent for the most part and did not vary
based on what situation he was in. One of Bertie’s personality
factors, according to Eysenck’s traits, is Neuroticism, and his traits
include proneness to anxiety as well as worry. Bertie stuttered when
he was giving a speech to a large crowed at the beginning of the film,
but he was also stuttering when he was simply telling a bedtime story
to his daughters, showing that it does not matter who is in the
audience when he is speaking. Also, he was stuttering when he was
alone with Lionel in his office, showing that the size of the audience
does not matter either.
3) I would characterize Bertie’s temperament as influenced by
environmental factors. Bertie wasn’t born with his speech impediment—
it developed around the age of four. He was abused somewhat as a
child. The first nanny that he had favored his brother over him. She
would pinch him to make him cry and would not feed him. She had been
abusing him like this for three years until the abuse left him with
serious stomach problems and his parents finally took notice. Also,
Bertie was left-handed when he was younger but he was punished and
forced to become right-handed. When his stuttering began, his brother
mocked him and his father encouraged it.
Ryan Cassidy
Apr 12, 2012, 10:11:19 AM4/12/12
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ELIZABETH:
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
On Eysenck’s classification, Elizabeth would fit under the Extraverted-
stable personality type of his four quadrant personality trait wheel.
She is sociable when she is asked to wait outside of Lionel’s office
as her husband endures his speech therapy and Elizabeth immediately
strikes up a conversation with a young patient of Lionel’s that is
waiting for his mother to pick him up. Also, she is a leader when she
brings Bertie to meet Lionel for the first time, and she is able to
instruct Bertie how to properly used the elevator, as well as guide
him to Lionel’s office in addition to takin care of setting up the
appointment in the first place. Lastly, she exhibits lively behavior
when Elizabeth actively partakes in Bertie’s speech therapy; singing
out the open window or lying on top of her husband as he exhales and
practices breathing routines.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
Elizabeth responds to one ore more of Eysenck’s traits because she
also qualifies for an introverted-stable as well as and extraverted
neurotic. For instance, Elizabeth is very controlled and calm when
comforting Bertie before his first speech in front of a very large
crowd. She furthermore is emotional after hearing her husband’s
stammering as he struggled to deliver his speech, but exhibited her
even temperment and control over her emotions to remain calm and
collected (this defines one who is introverted-stable). However,
Elizabeth is also aggressive and excitable, willing to keep attempting
to find the right speech therapist for Bertie despite the
disappointments of past failures. Elizabeth also is excitable as she
is seen in the back of the shot when listening to Bertie’s recording
of him reciting Shakespeare while listening to music with headphones
on. When the words form stammer-less sentences, Elizabeth is clearly
excited and energized by this new hope, exhibiting traits that are
characteristic of extraverted-neurotic people.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
This person’s temperament is innate as Elizabeth radiates confidence
and compassion despite the influence of her environment. Elizabeth is
thoughtful enough to be genuinely saddened and crushed by the same
disappointment her husband feels as he struggles to deliver his first
speech to the nation, as exemplified by the tears in her eyes and
dishearten expression on her face. She is able to be a consistent
calming presence for Bertie, whether it is supporting him on the
stairwell before his first speech or standing on the wooden box at the
manufacturing store while Bertie speaks to the people as he stands
right next to her, keeping her right by his side. Despite the
environment she is in, Elizabeth is able to maintain her true innate
traits and hold her characteristics constant.
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
stable personality type of his four quadrant personality trait wheel.
She is sociable when she is asked to wait outside of Lionel’s office
as her husband endures his speech therapy and Elizabeth immediately
strikes up a conversation with a young patient of Lionel’s that is
waiting for his mother to pick him up. Also, she is a leader when she
brings Bertie to meet Lionel for the first time, and she is able to
instruct Bertie how to properly used the elevator, as well as guide
him to Lionel’s office in addition to takin care of setting up the
appointment in the first place. Lastly, she exhibits lively behavior
when Elizabeth actively partakes in Bertie’s speech therapy; singing
out the open window or lying on top of her husband as he exhales and
practices breathing routines.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
also qualifies for an introverted-stable as well as and extraverted
neurotic. For instance, Elizabeth is very controlled and calm when
comforting Bertie before his first speech in front of a very large
crowd. She furthermore is emotional after hearing her husband’s
stammering as he struggled to deliver his speech, but exhibited her
even temperment and control over her emotions to remain calm and
collected (this defines one who is introverted-stable). However,
Elizabeth is also aggressive and excitable, willing to keep attempting
to find the right speech therapist for Bertie despite the
disappointments of past failures. Elizabeth also is excitable as she
is seen in the back of the shot when listening to Bertie’s recording
of him reciting Shakespeare while listening to music with headphones
on. When the words form stammer-less sentences, Elizabeth is clearly
excited and energized by this new hope, exhibiting traits that are
characteristic of extraverted-neurotic people.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
and compassion despite the influence of her environment. Elizabeth is
thoughtful enough to be genuinely saddened and crushed by the same
disappointment her husband feels as he struggles to deliver his first
speech to the nation, as exemplified by the tears in her eyes and
dishearten expression on her face. She is able to be a consistent
calming presence for Bertie, whether it is supporting him on the
stairwell before his first speech or standing on the wooden box at the
manufacturing store while Bertie speaks to the people as he stands
right next to her, keeping her right by his side. Despite the
environment she is in, Elizabeth is able to maintain her true innate
traits and hold her characteristics constant.
jack dario
Apr 12, 2012, 11:12:42 AM4/12/12
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1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
Bertie: If evaluated by Eysenck, Bertie would be classified as Introverted-neurotic. Bertie has zero hope that his speech disorder can be cured. He looks down upon his doctors because he assumes that they will not be able to fix his issue. He lashes out as those trying to help him, because he does not like to address his speech issue. Also, he is ill-tempered in most situations, even not concerning his speech. He also is uneasy to work with, at least at first, refusing to listen to the doctors request to call him by his first name, and to trust his exercises and practices. Also,Bertie does not look upon his self as equal to the doctor, as he says that the doctor should address him as "your royal highness". three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
bertie: Bertie does not really respond toward situationism. he has his speech impediment pretty much all of the time, except for when he has the head phones on during his appointment. He stutters at all times and in all situations, from large speeches to intimate conversations. The situation can change but his issue with speech remains the same. He suffers from anxiety when he has to speak because he is embarrassed to speak in such a way in front of people.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
Bertie: I think Bertie's temperament is influenced by environmental factors. He is very temperamental and on edge during his meetings with Lionel, especially at first. Also, he is the same way while delivering speeches. When he is uncomfortable he acts far differently from when he is in a setting where he feels comfortable. When he is with his wife, or with Lionel once they have formed a relationship, he almost acts as if he is a different person.
Luisa Lange
Apr 12, 2012, 11:15:20 AM4/12/12
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1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
o Bertie falls under the classification of introverted-neurotic. A
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
person that is introverted-neurotic is moody, anxious, reserved,
unsociable, and quiet. Throughout The King’s Speech, Bertie displayed
many of these characteristics. When Bertie first visits his speech
therapist, he appears to be very anxious and moody. He will not talk
about his personal life and often resorts to raising his voice, and
shouting at his therapist. These therapy sessions reveal that Bertie
is quick to change his mood, becoming angry very quickly. In addition,
Bertie displays pessimistic personality in his therapy sessions. He
feels that he will never fix his speech impediment, and that it will
always be a part of him. Lastly, Bertie is generally very quiet during
the movie, trying to avoid speaking at all costs. This is most likely
a result of his fear of being embarrassed by his speech impediment.
Ultimately, Bertie displays many characteristics that lead him to be
classified as introverted-neurotic.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
neurotic personality is a result of his circumstances. As a child,
Bertie was abused. He was not fed by his nanny, which later caused him
to experience serious stomach problems. He was also punshed for being
naturally left handed, and was forced to become right-handed. This
abuse most likely led Bertie to acquire the traits classified under
introverted-neurotic. In addition, Bertie did not have a good
relationship with his family. This is revealed when his father dies,
and Bertie begins to explain his problems to his therapist.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
not born with a stammer. This means that he must have developed a
stammer as a result of environmental factors which then cause him to
be short tempered and anxious. It is not innate because his stammer is
what causes his short temper, not his natural disposition.
Holly Wiberg
Apr 12, 2012, 12:04:32 PM4/12/12
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Lionel
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
Lionel would be classified as extroverted-stable. This personality is characterized by being talkative, sociable, lively, and a leader, all of which Lionel demonstrates. When Bertie storms out of his first session after recording his reading of "to be or not to be," Lionel calmly lets him leave and does not get upset with him, showing that he is emotionally stable and confident. His decision to be a speech therapist (and his acting attempts) show that he has leadership and also that he is extraverted; he chooses to interact with people and needs to be outgoing in his appointments. Lionel also demonstrates this personality when he goes to his audition towards the beginning of the movie. He is very outgoing and confident when he talks to the directors and recites his piece, and he also stays composed when they reject him (he does not lash out at them).
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
Lionel lends himself mostly to Eysenck's traits, not situationalism. His personality is the same in different situations, both professionally and personally. As he explains his method to Elizabeth and Bertie, he seems enthusiastic and confident in the way that he works even though he is with people of much higher rank. He seems to act similarly with other patients, as seen when he has the young boy greet them and acts very encouraging and proud. When eating dinner with his family, Lionel is very talkative and attempts to engage all of his family members in conversation. His personality remains consistent regardless of whether he is with his family or patients; in both situations he is talkative and lively.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from environmental factors?
Lionel's temperament seems to be innate. Although we don't know a lot about his past, he pursued a career in acting, suggesting that Lionel has a history of extraversion. He has faced failures in his acting and criticism in his speech therapy practices, but he has maintained his outlook, showing that he has stayed emotionally stable. If he were influenced greatly by his environment, these setbacks would have likely led him to be pessimistic and reserved, characteristic of the introverted-unstable personality
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from environmental factors?
Madeleine Beimford
Apr 12, 2012, 3:12:29 PM4/12/12
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Lionel Logue
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
Lionel Logue would be classified as extraverted- stable, according to Eysenck's personality chart. This means he is sociable, easygoing, a leader and talkative. These traits are defined through his meetings with Bertie and frequent interactions with his wife and two boys. The first time Bertie and Lionel meet, Bertie is formal, rigid and expects to be treated like a royal duke. Lionel displays his easygoing and talkative nature through refusing to buy into the formal atmosphere that Bertie introduces. He puts a pot of tea on, insists that they both treat each like equals all without sounding demanding or losing his temper. When Lionel auditions for a part in the play, it shows he is outgoing, as he is not afraid to put himself out there to be judged by strangers. His shows his leadership the way he runs his speech therapy sessions and his relationship with his kids, with humble confidence and carefree attitude. His interactions with Bertie especially highlight his qualities of a leader through the way he teaches without demanding superiority.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
Lionel responds more toward Eysenck's traits than situationalism through his consistency in his interactions regardless of rank or what's at stake. The first time Bertie and Elizabeth come together to meet Lionel for the first time, Lionel sends out a young boy who also suffers from stammering to introduce them. Even when Lionel knew that his next client was one of royal descent he didn't get a receptionist for appearances or change his teaching method to fit Berties comfort level, he remains easygoing and carefree in their discussion. Also, when Lionel and Bertie speak go to Westminster Abbey to prepare for the coronation, Lionel addresses everyone in the same, frank manner that he uses with everyone else he meets, displaying his consistently sociable and talkative temperament.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from environmental factors?
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from environmental factors?
I would characterize Lionel's temperament as innate, even though our knowledge of his past is sketchy at best. I think that it is because of his personality that he was able to cope with his current environmental surroundings. His enthusiastic and sociable approach to his therapy, family life and even his attempts to act is evidence of that. Also, if his liveliness were based on his surroundings, he might be more erratic in his behavior and decision making, we would not be able to judge his character as accurately. I think the producer included the scene with his audition to show that his character is constant and not purely reliant on successful outcomes at every turn. Since it is inferred that he auditions regularly and the outcome is usually rejection, if his temperament were based on surroundings, his character might be more moody and aggressive as a result.
Ashley Brede
Apr 12, 2012, 4:19:20 PM4/12/12
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David (Bertie's brother)
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
David would fall under the extraverted-stable categor, because he is sociable, talkative, and carefree. David is sociable when he hosts a party, yet doesn't only invite the people he should invite, because he is the new kind, and instead just invites his friends. David is talkative when he won't stop talking long enough to listen to Bertie's argument, when they were in the cellar, and Bertie advised him to not marry the woman who was divorced twice. Instead of listening, he becomes aggressive and impulsive (like an extraverted-neurotic personality type would), and keeps interrupting Bertie with insults about his stammer. David is also carefree, because even after becoming king, he is still not responsible enough to take on the lifestyle, and instead gives it up to marry the divorced woman.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
David could also be considered to be extraverted-neurotic, because from the scenes that we saw, he seemed to be easilly excitable, aggressive, and impulsive. But, that being said, I think that he responds more towards the situations at hand, because he is placed in a difficult situation. His father just died, making him the new king, and he is now unable to marry the woman of his dreams, because of these new responsibilities, so when he starts crying hysterically after his father's death, it isn't part of his personality (being excitable), but its the situation. David also comes off as aggressive when discussing his future wife, but that can also be attributed to either a defense mechanism and his situation.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
I think David's temperament can partially be attributed to his father's authoritarian parenting style, so it is therefore somewhat innate."Like father, like son" as they say. But, because we only see him throughout this movie, and because he has so many different environmental factors stressing him out, and restricting him in so many ways, I think the environmental factors build his temperament.
On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:30:27 AM UTC-4, jonathan wrote:
On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:30:27 AM UTC-4, jonathan wrote:
Elizabeth McTighe
Apr 12, 2012, 8:38:59 PM4/12/12
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GEORGE V:
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall?
George V would be classified as extroverted-neurotic. He seems touchy,
restless, and excitable in his interactions with the family. He
doesn’t tolerate tardiness, indicating that he takes it as a personal
affront or doesn’t like waiting. He jumps to the conclusion early in
their relationship that David will ruin the crown by going out with a
married woman, and he is easily fed up with Bertie’s attempts at
reading the Christmas speech. He is also aggressive, yelling at Bertie
to “Get it out, boy! Just try it! Do it!” when he begins to stutter
during the speech. While he demonstrates leadership, he does not fit
the easygoing or carefree traits of the extraverted-stable category,
and his comfort talking and giving orders shows he is not introverted.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
George responds more to situationalism than to set traits. Bertie
mentions that his father was afraid of his father and thought his
children should fear him too. This suggests that his idea of the role
he must play as king shapes his behavior towards his sons, yelling at
Bertie to toughen him up more than because he is aggressive. His last
words - “Bertie has more guts than the rest of his brothers put
together” - indicate that he is also thoughtful and kind in other
situations. While he is quick to praise the man who taught him how to
properly use the microphones for the radio broadcasts, he is very
critical of his sons.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
George’s temperament is largely affected by environmental factors. As
mentioned above, his ideas of how to be a leader and father, which he
learned from his own father, encouraged him to be more aggressive and
critical. He is likely excitable and touchy because he grew up
worrying about how important officials or the country would perceive
his actions, as a result of his royalty. Preparations for an important
role in the government would also have encouraged him to be assertive
and extroverted, even if he was not born with these traits.
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall?
restless, and excitable in his interactions with the family. He
doesn’t tolerate tardiness, indicating that he takes it as a personal
affront or doesn’t like waiting. He jumps to the conclusion early in
their relationship that David will ruin the crown by going out with a
married woman, and he is easily fed up with Bertie’s attempts at
reading the Christmas speech. He is also aggressive, yelling at Bertie
to “Get it out, boy! Just try it! Do it!” when he begins to stutter
during the speech. While he demonstrates leadership, he does not fit
the easygoing or carefree traits of the extraverted-stable category,
and his comfort talking and giving orders shows he is not introverted.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
mentions that his father was afraid of his father and thought his
children should fear him too. This suggests that his idea of the role
he must play as king shapes his behavior towards his sons, yelling at
Bertie to toughen him up more than because he is aggressive. His last
words - “Bertie has more guts than the rest of his brothers put
together” - indicate that he is also thoughtful and kind in other
situations. While he is quick to praise the man who taught him how to
properly use the microphones for the radio broadcasts, he is very
critical of his sons.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
mentioned above, his ideas of how to be a leader and father, which he
learned from his own father, encouraged him to be more aggressive and
critical. He is likely excitable and touchy because he grew up
worrying about how important officials or the country would perceive
his actions, as a result of his royalty. Preparations for an important
role in the government would also have encouraged him to be assertive
and extroverted, even if he was not born with these traits.
Yara Farahmand
Apr 12, 2012, 8:54:45 PM4/12/12
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BERTIE
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
Bertie would most likely be classified as introverted neurotic. He is
extremely quick to anger, and sometimes he seems to have fits that he
cant control, that make him make rash decisions. An example of this is
when he leaves his first session with Lionel when he gets frustrated
while trying to read Hamlet. Bertie has also been brought up rather
strictly, and follows rules and patterns specifically. An example of
this is when he yells at Lionel for sitting in the chair when he is
practicing his speech in the church. He is also extremely anxious, and
gets nervous quickly, like when his father yells at him to speak
directly into the microphone.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
Bertie definetly responds more towards situationalism. He stutters
more often when with his father and brother while they are yelling at
him, than he does with his wife, kids, and Lionel. Specifically when
Bertie tries to tell his brother that he thinks that marrying a
divorced woman is a terrible decision, he is completely unable to
respond when his brother taunts him quite terribly. Then, when he is
with Lionel, he can speak very well, and get his thoughts out
coherently, with some vocal excercises.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
I think that Berties temperment is more enviromental than innate.
Lionel himself says that people with stutters are never born with
them, but that they get them over time. I think that the stress from
his family life with his father dying, and his brother being a lost
cause, leads him to have a ruined temper. Bertie also had a painful
childhood, from having a father who encouraged his siblings to tease
him, to a nurse that would not feed him, his early years could be
described as very abusive. All these factors made him the way he is,
and he was in no way born like that.
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
extremely quick to anger, and sometimes he seems to have fits that he
cant control, that make him make rash decisions. An example of this is
when he leaves his first session with Lionel when he gets frustrated
while trying to read Hamlet. Bertie has also been brought up rather
strictly, and follows rules and patterns specifically. An example of
this is when he yells at Lionel for sitting in the chair when he is
practicing his speech in the church. He is also extremely anxious, and
gets nervous quickly, like when his father yells at him to speak
directly into the microphone.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Provide at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
more often when with his father and brother while they are yelling at
him, than he does with his wife, kids, and Lionel. Specifically when
Bertie tries to tell his brother that he thinks that marrying a
divorced woman is a terrible decision, he is completely unable to
respond when his brother taunts him quite terribly. Then, when he is
with Lionel, he can speak very well, and get his thoughts out
coherently, with some vocal excercises.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
Lionel himself says that people with stutters are never born with
them, but that they get them over time. I think that the stress from
his family life with his father dying, and his brother being a lost
cause, leads him to have a ruined temper. Bertie also had a painful
childhood, from having a father who encouraged his siblings to tease
him, to a nurse that would not feed him, his early years could be
described as very abusive. All these factors made him the way he is,
and he was in no way born like that.
Cara Skelly
Apr 12, 2012, 9:05:20 PM4/12/12
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Bertie!
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
I would describe Bertie as introverted - neurotic. One of the terms
used to describe people like this is moody. Bertie can be enjoying or
going along with Lionel's therapy and then get angry suddenly, like at
the first session the two have together. Bertie is also quite sober.
He doesn't enjoying joking and his family relationship is very proper;
they don't show their emotions, especially his parents, and Bertie
does this as well. He doesn't want to discuss personal matters or
feelings when he first meets with Lionel, although he soon learns this
is necessary. Finally, Bertie is very pessimistic. He does not believe
he can get better and this is an obstacle that thwarts him through out
the movie.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
Bertie lends himself to one of Eynsenck's traits. His stutter remains
a part of him wherever he goes and it has been a part of his life from
a young age. He acts moody, pessimistic and sober with most of the
people he interacts with. He can be classified as having a neurotic
personality and this is described as prone to anxiety, worry, guilt,
and emotional instability. Bertie is certainly anxious for his
capacity to effectively lead his country and tends to worry and feel
guilty about this. He also acts emotional unstable when he loses his
temper easily.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
Bertie's temperament has been brought on by environmental factors. He
was abused as a child and his brother was constantly put before him.
He was constantly teased for his stutter, which was allowed by his
father, and continues to feel self-conscious and worry about it, and
what others will think of him. He struggles with expressing how he
feels, like his father did when he told Bertie he valued him on his
deathbed,but never before that.
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
used to describe people like this is moody. Bertie can be enjoying or
going along with Lionel's therapy and then get angry suddenly, like at
the first session the two have together. Bertie is also quite sober.
He doesn't enjoying joking and his family relationship is very proper;
they don't show their emotions, especially his parents, and Bertie
does this as well. He doesn't want to discuss personal matters or
feelings when he first meets with Lionel, although he soon learns this
is necessary. Finally, Bertie is very pessimistic. He does not believe
he can get better and this is an obstacle that thwarts him through out
the movie.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide
at least 2 examples to support your analysis.
a part of him wherever he goes and it has been a part of his life from
a young age. He acts moody, pessimistic and sober with most of the
people he interacts with. He can be classified as having a neurotic
personality and this is described as prone to anxiety, worry, guilt,
and emotional instability. Bertie is certainly anxious for his
capacity to effectively lead his country and tends to worry and feel
guilty about this. He also acts emotional unstable when he loses his
temper easily.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
was abused as a child and his brother was constantly put before him.
He was constantly teased for his stutter, which was allowed by his
father, and continues to feel self-conscious and worry about it, and
what others will think of him. He struggles with expressing how he
feels, like his father did when he told Bertie he valued him on his
deathbed,but never before that.
Cody O'Brien
Apr 12, 2012, 9:26:10 PM4/12/12
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1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall?
George V would fall in the extraverted-neurotic classification. The relationships George has with his family can be described as tenuous and touchy; his mood depends on how well the sons adhere to his expectations and ideals. When discussing David’s marriage to Mrs. Simpson, he gets very irritable and easily aggressive, fitting the extraverted-neurotic category. Also, when Bertie fails at giving the Christmas speech, George constantly yells at him for his lack of ability to complete a sentence. His confidence and comfort when leading and giving orders suggests is evidence of his extraverted nature.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck'straits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
George responds more toward situationalism; the disparity in his actions and thoughts suggests that he modifies his actions to give off a certain appearance. This is shown when on his death bed he commends Bertie for his bravery, but is so readily willing to invoke fear in him. He puts importance in the notion that sons must fear fathers, because he was raised that way, which might suggest normative conformity in the way he raises his sons.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from environmental factors?
George most likely has this temperament as a result from his thoughts on his expected personality. As king, he must appear strong, aggressive, confident and able to lead, all qualities that an extravert has. He expects he must act this way largely because of this actions of his father, rather than justifying it through more intrinsic ideas. He was not chosen for the throne for his innate qualities, but rather merely his birthplace; George had to modify his behavior to fit the needs of being king.
J Sito
Apr 12, 2012, 11:01:01 PM4/12/12
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Elizabeth (assuming that's Bertie's wife, because I can't remember
anyone's name):
1. She is extroverted-stable. Her emotional state is constant. Even
when engaged in a somewhat heated argument with Lionel at the
beginning of the movie, she remains calm and confident. He finally
gives in after deducing her identity. In response to his bewilderment
she calmly instructs him to address her as "your majesty". She calmly
assesses a situation before choosing a course of action. When she
accompanies Bertie to a session. She notes Bertie's frustration at
Lionel's use of psychology as well as Lionel's obvious eagerness to
"play doctor" (for lack of a better term). With the wave of her hand
she silences both men and advises Lionel to treat her husband's
condition as a physical malady. She is extroverted, constantly
striking up conversations with everyone (ex. Lionel's young patient,
Lionel's wife).
2. Elizabeth remains extroverted-stable throughout the film (examples
in Q1). Even when confronting adversity she manages to maintain a
direct, outgoing, and seemingly light attitude.
3. She seems to maintain an outgoing, calm, and confident temperament
throughout the film. That said, it is unlikely that this is entirely
innate. She mentions that she initially refused to marry Bertie in an
effort to avoid the attention and responsibility of becoming part of
the royal family. In her time on screen, it is clear that she has
become comfortable with this part of her identity. At some point
between Bertie's initial and final proposals, Elizabeth must have
decided to step up and become the woman she wanted to be.
anyone's name):
1. She is extroverted-stable. Her emotional state is constant. Even
when engaged in a somewhat heated argument with Lionel at the
beginning of the movie, she remains calm and confident. He finally
gives in after deducing her identity. In response to his bewilderment
she calmly instructs him to address her as "your majesty". She calmly
assesses a situation before choosing a course of action. When she
accompanies Bertie to a session. She notes Bertie's frustration at
Lionel's use of psychology as well as Lionel's obvious eagerness to
"play doctor" (for lack of a better term). With the wave of her hand
she silences both men and advises Lionel to treat her husband's
condition as a physical malady. She is extroverted, constantly
striking up conversations with everyone (ex. Lionel's young patient,
Lionel's wife).
2. Elizabeth remains extroverted-stable throughout the film (examples
in Q1). Even when confronting adversity she manages to maintain a
direct, outgoing, and seemingly light attitude.
3. She seems to maintain an outgoing, calm, and confident temperament
throughout the film. That said, it is unlikely that this is entirely
innate. She mentions that she initially refused to marry Bertie in an
effort to avoid the attention and responsibility of becoming part of
the royal family. In her time on screen, it is clear that she has
become comfortable with this part of her identity. At some point
between Bertie's initial and final proposals, Elizabeth must have
decided to step up and become the woman she wanted to be.
mike vivo
Apr 13, 2012, 12:03:00 AM4/13/12
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Lionel Logue
1. Eysenck would most likely classify Lionel as extroverted-stable. He
is reliable and able to assume a leader's position and oversee the
king. Lionel was lively when he needed to be (jumping up and down to
make Bertie feel comfortable. His straightforward manner is apparent
when he tells Bertie that he could indeed be king. Furthermore he goes
on to prove he is responsive when he apologizes to Bertie for
overstepping his boundary.
2. Lionel responds more toward situationalism. While his character
fits criteria Eysenck's extroverted-stable diagnosis, Lionel can also
has neurotic-introverted tendencies as well. For example, after his
conflict with Bertie, he is confronted by his wife for working
anxiously at his desk. Lionel can also be passive and thoughtful. This
can be seen in his silence after Bertie reveals that he was abused as
a child. It is evident that Lionel responds more toward
situationalism.
3. Lionel claimed that a lot of his tendencies are contributed to the
fact that he fought in "The Great War." He says himself that he was
placed in a position to assist verbally impaired soldiers. Also, very
few times did he mention anything of his father or anyone he would be
inheriting these traits from. Lionel's character traits seem to be
largely environmentally contributed.
1. Eysenck would most likely classify Lionel as extroverted-stable. He
is reliable and able to assume a leader's position and oversee the
king. Lionel was lively when he needed to be (jumping up and down to
make Bertie feel comfortable. His straightforward manner is apparent
when he tells Bertie that he could indeed be king. Furthermore he goes
on to prove he is responsive when he apologizes to Bertie for
overstepping his boundary.
2. Lionel responds more toward situationalism. While his character
fits criteria Eysenck's extroverted-stable diagnosis, Lionel can also
has neurotic-introverted tendencies as well. For example, after his
conflict with Bertie, he is confronted by his wife for working
anxiously at his desk. Lionel can also be passive and thoughtful. This
can be seen in his silence after Bertie reveals that he was abused as
a child. It is evident that Lionel responds more toward
situationalism.
3. Lionel claimed that a lot of his tendencies are contributed to the
fact that he fought in "The Great War." He says himself that he was
placed in a position to assist verbally impaired soldiers. Also, very
few times did he mention anything of his father or anyone he would be
inheriting these traits from. Lionel's character traits seem to be
largely environmentally contributed.
reed westerman
Apr 13, 2012, 8:56:54 AM4/13/12
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Lionel
1. I would say that Lionel would be labeled as extraverted-stable
because of his ability to socialize with some of the most powerful
people in england while leading the king through speeches and not ever
backing down from him. Some examples of LIonel expressing his
confidence, sociability, and leadership would be when he tells the
head priest he must leave his own church so that the king can prepare
for the crowing ceremony. A second example would be when Lionel first
meets Bertie he jokes with him and calls him by his personal, family
name instead of his royal name. Finally, Lionel is not afraid to make
a joke or two at the king that may deemed disrespectful coming from a
common man such as Lionel.
2. Lionel lends himself more to Eysenck's traits than situationalism
because he has constant reactions to people and situations throughout
the movie. When he first meets Bertie, Lionel is being himself,
cracking jokes and being a bit goofy even though he's talking to the
Prince of England. We see this same goofy side of Lionel when he is
acting with his kids by putting pillows in his jacket to entertain
them.
3.I would characterize Lionel's temperament as mostly innate. We don't
know what his previous job was or how he was in his younger days but
throughout the movie Lionel offers the same sort of out going and
caring personality which is also patient. One could argue that his job
creates environmental factors that would create this personality
because he must be patient to work with patients who can revert back
their old habits at any time. He also must be able to make a joke to
keep the patient focused and willing to do the treatment so it does
not get old. I believe he choose this job because it fit his
personality rather than his job created his personality.
1. I would say that Lionel would be labeled as extraverted-stable
because of his ability to socialize with some of the most powerful
people in england while leading the king through speeches and not ever
backing down from him. Some examples of LIonel expressing his
confidence, sociability, and leadership would be when he tells the
head priest he must leave his own church so that the king can prepare
for the crowing ceremony. A second example would be when Lionel first
meets Bertie he jokes with him and calls him by his personal, family
name instead of his royal name. Finally, Lionel is not afraid to make
a joke or two at the king that may deemed disrespectful coming from a
common man such as Lionel.
2. Lionel lends himself more to Eysenck's traits than situationalism
because he has constant reactions to people and situations throughout
the movie. When he first meets Bertie, Lionel is being himself,
cracking jokes and being a bit goofy even though he's talking to the
Prince of England. We see this same goofy side of Lionel when he is
acting with his kids by putting pillows in his jacket to entertain
them.
3.I would characterize Lionel's temperament as mostly innate. We don't
know what his previous job was or how he was in his younger days but
throughout the movie Lionel offers the same sort of out going and
caring personality which is also patient. One could argue that his job
creates environmental factors that would create this personality
because he must be patient to work with patients who can revert back
their old habits at any time. He also must be able to make a joke to
keep the patient focused and willing to do the treatment so it does
not get old. I believe he choose this job because it fit his
personality rather than his job created his personality.
Maulik Limbachiya
Apr 13, 2012, 10:53:00 AM4/13/12
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George V
1) Where on Eyseneck’s classification would this person fall?
a. George V would fall under the extraverted-neurotic classification.
He expresses such qualities as stubbornness, impulsiveness and at the
same time he shows some rash thinking. His state of mind depends on
his surroundings and what fits with his ideals with his family. His
irritability toward David’s marriage to Mrs. Simpson, and Bertie’s
failing of the Christmas speech suggest a extraverted-neurotic
component to his behavior.
anything else. His behavior suggests that he modifies his actions
based on his station. For example, he commends Bertie for his guts,
but at the same time he wasn’t afraid to be hard on him earlier. He
also suggests that he behaves with normative comformatism because he
was raised to fear his father, like Bertie should fear him.
based on his environmental factors from childhood, to adulthood. He
learned how to be a father and King through his father. He is probably
extremely excitable because he has always been judged in his life as
the person who is king, or the person who will be king. This extreme
amount of pressure must have encouraged him to develop assertive,
extroverted and neurotic traits.
1) Where on Eyseneck’s classification would this person fall?
a. George V would fall under the extraverted-neurotic classification.
He expresses such qualities as stubbornness, impulsiveness and at the
same time he shows some rash thinking. His state of mind depends on
his surroundings and what fits with his ideals with his family. His
irritability toward David’s marriage to Mrs. Simpson, and Bertie’s
failing of the Christmas speech suggest a extraverted-neurotic
component to his behavior.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck'straits,
OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
a. I think that George V responds more towards situationalism that
OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
anything else. His behavior suggests that he modifies his actions
based on his station. For example, he commends Bertie for his guts,
but at the same time he wasn’t afraid to be hard on him earlier. He
also suggests that he behaves with normative comformatism because he
was raised to fear his father, like Bertie should fear him.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
a. I don’t think that his temperament is innate, but rather, it is
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
based on his environmental factors from childhood, to adulthood. He
learned how to be a father and King through his father. He is probably
extremely excitable because he has always been judged in his life as
the person who is king, or the person who will be king. This extreme
amount of pressure must have encouraged him to develop assertive,
extroverted and neurotic traits.
Jack Barry
Apr 14, 2012, 12:55:38 AM4/14/12
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Bertie
1) Bertie would most definitely fall within the category of
Extroverted-Unstable.
He would fit this characteristic because firstly, he is touchy.
During his walk
with Lionel and the discussion of Bertie being king instead of his
brother he
lashed out emotionally at Lionel unfairly. In addition, he is
changeable due
to his ability to change his ways and overcome his stammer with
Lionel's
assistance. Finally, Bertie would fit under the aggressive type due
to his
aggressive action to shout at Lionel when he was in King Edwards Chair
in order to get him out of it.
2) Bertie responded towards situationalism due to the events of his
life
that caused him to be the way he is as an adult. For example, his
easily
activated temper is most likely a product of being harassed and
bullied by
his siblings and father. In addition, his stammer could also be a
result of
the abuse he received from the nanny as an infant.
3) The characters temperament is not innate. I believe that Bertie
gained the
good and bad qualities he possessed as an adult due to the
circumstances he developed in.
More specifically, the struggles he faced as a child may have given
him a desire
to succeed or conquer obstacles. While on the bad side, his stammer,
like previously mentioned,
could have been the result of abuse.
1) Bertie would most definitely fall within the category of
Extroverted-Unstable.
He would fit this characteristic because firstly, he is touchy.
During his walk
with Lionel and the discussion of Bertie being king instead of his
brother he
lashed out emotionally at Lionel unfairly. In addition, he is
changeable due
to his ability to change his ways and overcome his stammer with
Lionel's
assistance. Finally, Bertie would fit under the aggressive type due
to his
aggressive action to shout at Lionel when he was in King Edwards Chair
in order to get him out of it.
2) Bertie responded towards situationalism due to the events of his
life
that caused him to be the way he is as an adult. For example, his
easily
activated temper is most likely a product of being harassed and
bullied by
his siblings and father. In addition, his stammer could also be a
result of
the abuse he received from the nanny as an infant.
3) The characters temperament is not innate. I believe that Bertie
gained the
good and bad qualities he possessed as an adult due to the
circumstances he developed in.
More specifically, the struggles he faced as a child may have given
him a desire
to succeed or conquer obstacles. While on the bad side, his stammer,
like previously mentioned,
could have been the result of abuse.
Alexander Golob
Apr 23, 2012, 9:33:16 AM4/23/12
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(David) Edward
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
David is extraverted-neurotic because he is excitable, touchy, and
active. When George V dies and David understands that he must take the
throne, preventing him from marrying Wallis Simpson, he falls to his
dead father’s bedside crying and does not stop until he leaves the
room. David acts extremely touchy when his brother criticises him for
not upholding the duty of being a king by marrying a twice divorced
american woman. David belittles his brother and attacks him, totally
avoiding an answer to Bertie’s question. Furthermore, David is very
active, he parties with common people, got his brother to try a
prostitute in Paris, and flies frequently (as seen from his personal
plane).
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
Although David could be considered extraverted-neurotic, the strong
presence of environmental stressors and the limited information of
David given by the film make the possibility of David’s actions being
a response toward situationalism plausible. David seems excitable and
touchy when the kingship is thrust upon and he is criticized for
loving Simpson, however, when the stressors are not present, David may
act very differently. On the other hand, his high level of activity
does not seem to be situational because he and his wife never divorced
and they both seemed to enjoy parties and travelling.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
I think David's temperament looks for acceptance and escape from
exterior pressure. I believe this is caused by his nanny who cared a
great deal for David. This nanny may have been overly passive or
permitting, resulting in a child who does not respond well to not
being allowed what he wants. However, genetics also plays a part in
his agitated temperament. Both Bertie, David, and their father have
quick tempers, thus pointing to a genetic cause for this trait.
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall? Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
active. When George V dies and David understands that he must take the
throne, preventing him from marrying Wallis Simpson, he falls to his
dead father’s bedside crying and does not stop until he leaves the
room. David acts extremely touchy when his brother criticises him for
not upholding the duty of being a king by marrying a twice divorced
american woman. David belittles his brother and attacks him, totally
avoiding an answer to Bertie’s question. Furthermore, David is very
active, he parties with common people, got his brother to try a
prostitute in Paris, and flies frequently (as seen from his personal
plane).
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's
traits, OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism?
presence of environmental stressors and the limited information of
David given by the film make the possibility of David’s actions being
a response toward situationalism plausible. David seems excitable and
touchy when the kingship is thrust upon and he is criticized for
loving Simpson, however, when the stressors are not present, David may
act very differently. On the other hand, his high level of activity
does not seem to be situational because he and his wife never divorced
and they both seemed to enjoy parties and travelling.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it
innate, or do you think he or she builds this temperament from
environmental factors?
exterior pressure. I believe this is caused by his nanny who cared a
great deal for David. This nanny may have been overly passive or
permitting, resulting in a child who does not respond well to not
being allowed what he wants. However, genetics also plays a part in
his agitated temperament. Both Bertie, David, and their father have
quick tempers, thus pointing to a genetic cause for this trait.
Laura Scott
Apr 24, 2012, 1:28:52 AM4/24/12
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Lionel
1) Where on Eysenck's classification would this person fall?
Cite
three examples from the film that demonstrate this classification.
Lionel would most likely fall under extraverted-stable, with some introverted-stable characteristics as well. He is a very sociable and talkative person; in his line of work, which includes speaking with people and making them feel comfortable, this is vital. He demonstrates this when he convinces Bertie to talk to him about his deeper problems, rather than maintaining a purely professional relationship. He is also very easygoing and lively; he is able to make conversation with almost anyone, including rich and powerful people such as the king and queen, while many others would be excessively intimidated by them. He also demonstrates leadership by taking control of the situation surrounding Bertie, instructing him on how to improve and not letting him give up easily. He also displays some introverted-stable characteristics such as being a controlled, reliable, and thoughtful person.
2) Does this character lend himself to one or more of Eysenck's traits,
OR does he or she respond more toward situationalism? Provide at least 2
examples to support your analysis.
Lionel lends himself to several of Eysenck’s traits. He is shown to display extraversion, openness, agreeableness, and conscientiousness in multiple situations. He is displays these traits in both aspects of his life; his work and home situation. Towards his clients, he remains friendly, curious, tolerant, and responsible. He takes his cases seriously, and works hard to cure his patients, such as Bertie. On the other end, he also takes time with his family, trying to entertain and talk to them during dinner or by putting on little plays in the evening, while still remaining a responsible adult. These two parts of his life are very different, yet he maintains a similar attitude towards each, showing that he does not respond according to situationalism.
3) How would you characterize this character's temperament? Is it innate,
or do you think he or she builds this temperament from environmental factors?
I believe that Lionel’s temperament is largely innate, with a few environmental factors. He appears to have been extraverted for a long time, having dabbled in acting for much of his life. He seems to have the same positive, easygoing outlook towards most aspects of his life, and his job does not seem to have affected that in any way. Although he does have failures, they do not seem to significantly affect his levels of happiness and he appears to move on from them in a mature way. We do not learn much of his childhood or early life other than his role during the war, when he helped other soldiers with their speech difficulties.
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