A Beautiful Mind

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jonathan

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May 14, 2012, 1:04:35 PM5/14/12
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Do one of the following. You may not provide the same answer as one of
your fellow sectionmates. Due by midnight after the last day we watch
the movie. This is worth 10 points.

1) What type of schizophrenia does Nash have? Why do you say that?

2) What criteria of schizophrenia does Nash exhibit? Provide a
specific example.

3) What treatments does Nash try? What is the problem with the
particular treatment?

4) What subtle nod does the movie give to Nash's schizophrenia before
it is entirely clear from the movie that he has schizophrenia? In
other words, what do the characters say or do that foreshadows the
eventual revelation that Nash is schizophrenic?
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Luisa Lange

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May 15, 2012, 11:18:06 AM5/15/12
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One criterion of Schizophrenia that Nash experiences is the positive
symptom of hallucinations. Positive symptoms are characterized by a
distortion of normal functioning produced by higher cortical areas of
the brain. In order for a person to be classified as Schizophrenic,
these symptoms must be present for a significant portion of time
during a one-month period. John experiences hallucinations over a long
period of time. One example is the hallucinations of his roommate,
Charles. John sees Charles, and speaks to him often. However, the
physiatrist eventually exposes to John that Charles is not actually
there, despite what John is seeing. He also suggests that there is a
large possibility that Charles may never have existed. Ultimately,
this recurring hallucination indicates that John is suffering from
Schizophrenia.

Ava Varasteh

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May 15, 2012, 12:20:54 PM5/15/12
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Nash most likely has paranoid schizophrenia. Those with paranoid
schizophrenia are likely to lead a fairly normal life and have
functioning relationships—he has a wife, friends, and a job. Yet Nash
has trouble behaving in a rational manner, he gets flustered very
easily when he fails or is wrong. He is very paranoid, for example
during his first date with Alicia he is eyeing two men, very conscious
of the fact that they’re looking in his direction, and appears very
fidgety and suspicious of them. Nash constantly looks out his window,
and scolds Alicia when she turns the light on, afraid that whoever is
supposedly watching him will know that he is home. He even tries to
have Alicia pack her bags and go to her sister’s house because he is
scared for her safety. Nash endures multiple delusions and
hallucinations. He imagined having a roommate as well as working for a
secret government agency, and even believed that he had a secret code
embedded into his wrist. Another symptom of paranoid schizophrenia is
a feeling of self-importance. Nash is very condescending and he
believes that he is always right. When he loses a board game to Hansen
he is baffled and insists that the game is faulty. He is not very
close to most people; he isolates himself and gets consumed in his
work creating emotional distance from others. Due to all of these
factors, it is likely that Nash exhibits symptoms of paranoid
schizophrenia.

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Madeleine Beimford

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May 15, 2012, 12:41:12 PM5/15/12
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Having just gotten to the part where the audience is informed that Nash is schizophrenic, there are many nods made to this diagnosis by the directors. The first nod would be to his social isolation referenced many times throughout the film. For example, the first time he is introduced to a group he is shown walking off by himself after declaring that he knows people don't like him and he doesn't like people himself. He's very withdrawn and paces and mutters to himself about finding an original idea yet fails to do simple tasks like going to classes or interact with other people besides his 'roommate'. More signs appear when he does attempt to interact with people, the time he talks to the woman in the bar, he makes irrational and inappropriate statements which result in him getting slapped for being so rude. He has trouble with social cues as seen with his first couple of interactions with Alicia. Also, he displays severe anxiety over finding an idea that he panics and hits his head against the window, causing himself to bleed. These are only some of the signs that exhibit his diagnosis but due to the audience's lack of knowledge of the made-up roommate, the audience is blindsided from realizing the severe deterioration of his mental state.
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Holly Wiberg

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May 15, 2012, 3:27:30 PM5/15/12
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One of the major criteria for schizophrenia is the experience of delusions, which are strong beliefs that are untrue.  Nash believes that he is working for the US government in the Department of Defense; he deciphers codes in magazines and believes that he is using them to reveal a plot against the government.  He believes that because of his government work, Soviet agents are often looking for him or following him.  Once he is admitted into the psychiatric hospital, his psychiatrist tells Alicia that his secret job is probably not real.  After looking through his office, she realizes that it is a delusion--he is not actually a government agent and he is not uncovering any secret plot.  This demonstrates that Nash meets the criteria of having delusions.  Additionally, one of the key components of diagnosis of a mental disorder is that the disorder has a negative impact on normal functioning.  Nash spends most of his time looking through articles, causing him to forget about teaching class one day.  His fear of being followed also leads him to be very distracted, as shown by when he was staring out the window in the middle of teaching and when he failed to deliver his lecture well because he was looking for other agents.  These instances show that Nash's daily activities are inhibited by his delusion that he works for the government.

Laura Scott

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May 15, 2012, 9:50:54 PM5/15/12
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It is highly probably that Nash has paranoid schizophrenia. This
is especially characterized by how drastic his delusions are
revealed to be, although he appeared to lead a (somewhat) normal
life. Other types of schizophrenia such as disorganized
schizophrenia or catatonic schizophrenia have a greater impact on
day-to-day functioning, specifically simple tasks such as dressing
or bathing. Nash is perfectly capable of performing all of these simple
tasks, and appears to function as a regular human being. However,
this hides the problems under the surface. He is leading a life based
off of delusions, that revolve around a defining characteristic theme;
all leading to his greater acceptance into society. For example, he
imagines the presence of a roommate after every bad incident he has
with the other young men at his graduate school, who is able to
comfort him and accept him for who he is. Then, when older and
teaching at a college, he is dissatisfied with his job and longs for
work that will challenge him and also make him feel like he belongs
and is not a misfit.

Ryan Cassidy

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May 16, 2012, 12:59:19 AM5/16/12
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Often throughout the movie, different characters provide subtle nods
to the viewers that reveal Nash’s schizophrenic state. For example,
Nash experiences social dysfunction due to this disturbance as he is
seen on the roof of a Princeton building with his “roommate” Charles.
While talking about his fellow students, Nash leans over the edge of
the building and calls his classmates, “lesser mortals,” an atypical
outburst that most likely startled his classmates and hindered his
social relations. Also, Nash is portrayed in the library, muttering
under his breath various assortments of thoughts and ideas. Charles
then convinces Nash to go get pizza and beer when Nash walks out of
library yelling, “I have respect for beer!” This kind of behavior
disturbs the interpersonal relations Nash forms with his classmates at
Princeton, further serving as an example of a nod in the movie
pointing towards Nash’s eventual schizophrenic state. Furthermore,
another nod can be viewed as Nash believes he is playing a game of
pool against his roommate Charles. A few seconds later, Nash’s other
friends step into the bar and Hansen says, “who’s winning Nash, you or
you?” Hansen implies that Nash is, in his perspective, playing a game
of pool against nobody. However, the delusion of Charles in Nash’s
mind allows him to believe he’s in the middle of a game against
Charles, another sly nod. Finally, Nash gets into an argument with
Parcher about what is expected of Nash in his service to his country,
and Parcher storms out of Nash’s office after a threat to reveal Nash
to the Soviets. Nash then runs after Parcher and screams, “PARCHER!”
In Nash’s mind, he sees the delusion of Parcher walking through the
door, but when Sol opens his own door and looks at John questioningly,
Sol doesn’t see Parcher at all; he only sees John screaming down a
hallway at nothing, a final nod that can be observed to reveal Nash’s
deteriorating mental state.

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Raquel Rosenbloom

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May 16, 2012, 2:26:31 PM5/16/12
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A symptom of schizophrenia that Nash suffers from is delusions. On top
of the delusions Holly and Luisa discussed, Nash believes that his
psychiatrist is a Russian spy. He believes he is being held by Soviets
for information on the US government, and continually screams "I know
nothing! I know nothing!" In addition, when Alicia comes to visit him,
Nash tells her that he cannot tell her everything because they might
be bugged. Despite being told that he is being treated by a
psychiatrist and that he is safe, Nash does not believe this and
continues to experience and act on his delusions. It negatively
influences his life because it causes his to live in constant fear as
well as reject treatment and cooperation with his psychiatrist. This
lasting and negatively impacting delusion is a symptom of Nash's
schizophrenia.

Ashley Brede

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May 17, 2012, 9:01:41 AM5/17/12
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2) A criterion for schizophrenia is disorganized thoughts and
behaviors that penetrate into every aspect of the patient's life. Nash
experiences this criterion when he's trying to teach his math class at
the university, and he stops right in the middle of his speech and
leaves the classroom. His job is also effected because Nash spends so
much time in his office "cracking codes" that he misses his classes,
and assigns little homework (one question at the beginning of the
term). Similarly, Nash also sees the "Russian spies" during his speech
at the mathematics convention, forcing him to run out of the
convention room suddenly, without finishing his speech. His
disorganized behavior is also revealed by the newspaper articles
scattered all over his walls of his office, which is a classic
expression for a schizophrenic. Nash's relationship with his wife is
also effected, because he feels like he can't communicate with her
(because his work is "classified" and if he says anything, the
"Russian spies" will hear him), thus leaving him alone with his
thoughts, which is more counter productive.

On May 16, 2:26 pm, Raquel Rosenbloom <raquelr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A symptom of schizophrenia that Nash suffers from is delusions. On top
> of the delusions Holly and Luisa discussed, Nash believes that his
> psychiatrist is a Russian spy. He believes he is being held by Soviets
> for information on the US government, and continually screams "I know
> nothing! I know nothing!" In addition, when Alicia comes to visit him,
> Nash tells her that he cannot tell her everything because they might
> be bugged. Despite being told that he is being treated by a
> psychiatrist and that he is safe, Nash does not believe this and
> continues to experience and act on his delusions. It negatively
> influences his life because it causes his to live in constant fear as
> well as reject treatment and cooperation with his psychiatrist. This
> lasting and negatively impacting delusion is a symptom of Nash's
> schizophrenia.
>

reed westerman

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May 17, 2012, 9:29:11 AM5/17/12
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One symptom of schizophrenia which Nash exhibits is though disorder.
Thought disorder is classified by disorganized thinking. While Nash
may be a genius in the field of mathematics, but many normal parts of
his life show great disorganization. When he is trying to crack the
code within the newspapers, he has papers littered throughout his
office and room. The papers are piled up and they are every where. He
lacks basic organizational skills within his everyday life showing his
disorganized thinking.
Another example of disorganized thinking is speaking in choppy or
broken up sentences. Nash does this or leaves conversations mid
sentence often. One example of this is when he is first meeting people
at Princeton and does not talk with any of the other professors. He
misses social cues and is very choppy in his speaking.

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Carly Conway

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May 17, 2012, 4:44:59 PM5/17/12
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John Nash has Paranoid Schizophrenia because there are definitely a
presence of auditory hallucinations that are very persistent in his
life for years and years. He also has the ability to “work” and engage
in real relationships. Nash is very smart and has a high level of
functioning, and does not appear to be odd when not around his
hallucinations. Also, most of his hallucinations revolve around a
characteristic theme involving the government and solving codes. He
hallucinates this whole job he has to do and keep a secret for the
government. Not only does Nash hallucinate people and interact with
them, numbers come out at him from magazine or newspapers in different
patterns. Nash is finally hospital and given shock treatments five
times a week for two weeks. When he is let out he is put on medication
to keep him from hallucinating, and it does work until he stops taking
the medication. He feels as though when on the medication he is not a
human and can not do anything, so he would rather be, as he puts it:
“crazy”. One part of the movie I began to believe he had some form of
schizophrenia is when his roommate Charlie and he get into a huge
fight and Charlie throws his desk out the window; breaking both the
desk and the window. The next scene shows Nash hard at work at his
unharmed desk behind the unbroken window. This scene seemed odd
because they never showed him buying a new desk or fixing the window.

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Elizabeth McTighe

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May 17, 2012, 8:21:15 PM5/17/12
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3) The most successful treatment for Nash was similar to cognitive-
behavioral therapy. By learning to distinguish between who was real
and who was a hallucination, Nash was able to ignore his
hallucinations and alter his behavior. Once he realized that his
roommates daughter never aged and couldn't be real, he could ignore
maladaptive thoughts coming from his roommate and other hallucinations
to kill his wife. Rehabilitation through his work at Princeton also
gave Nash a sense of purpose that didn't have to do with conspiracies
and helped him avoid the stress of not feeling useful. Easing back
into teaching in a manner similar to systematic desensitization by
first working on his own, then with a few students, then finally
teaching full time also helped manage the anxiety of social
interactions. A problem with this treatment was that it did not rid
him of his hallucinations, and when in high stress situations, like
when he was denied entrance to the library, he was forced to engage
them.

claireclendenen

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May 17, 2012, 10:41:46 PM5/17/12
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4) In the beginning of the movie it is unclear whether or not Nash is
schizophrenic, but throughout the movie there are subtle hints at his
disorder. For example Nash continuously comments on his lack of social
skills and his isolation yet he becomes great friends with his
roommate. These characters do not seem as though they would get along
as good friends yet they do. Also, none of Nash's other friends ever
recognize his roommate and he does not talk to anyone but Nash. Also,
when Nash is invited to the Pentagon to crack encrypted enemy
telecommunication, he notices a man who he calls "Big Brother". When
he asks who is watching no one else recognizes the man, although this
could be played off as their secrecy it hints at his mental disorder.

Cody O'Brien

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May 17, 2012, 10:42:47 PM5/17/12
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John tries a combination of insulin shock therapy, anti-psychotic medications, a type of cognitive therapy and rehabilitation.  The first treatment does nothing to help with his schizophrenia, for even after the therapy he attempts to claw the implant out of his arm. The medication he takes is successful in treating some of the symptoms, but due to a combination of a feeling of being cured and other reasons, he stops taking the medication, resulting in a reemergence of the illness. The cognitive therapy is not guided, but is a self directed process that attempts to find logical inconsistencies in his illness, namely that the little girl does not age and can therefore not be real. The rehabilitation refers to his return to work at Princeton, which helps him keep his mind occupied and off the distractions.

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May 17, 2012, 10:46:29 PM5/17/12
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I think that john nash has paranoid schizophrenia. I think this because of the exact nature of his actions and hallucinations, as they seem to fit this mold. He is able to function at a high level, even when he is off his medication. The hallucinations last for years, and they seem to come and go as they please. He imagines a fake roommate, who for years offers john friendship and advice. John tries to take medication to solve his issues, but soon realizes that the medication make it almost impossible for him to function. He finally is able to overcome his disorder by learning to ignore the hallucinations, because they are so common to him he is able to do this
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Alexander Golob

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May 17, 2012, 10:47:19 PM5/17/12
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2)   According to the DSM-IV TR, one of the major diagnostic criterion for Schizophrenia is experiencing symptoms such as the hallucinations mentioned in Luisa, Holly, and Raquel’s posts and the disorganized thoughts mentioned in Ashley’s post, over a significant period of time. A significant period of time is defined as a minimum duration of 6 months. The film begins with Nash attending Princeton in the post-world war II era. It is here where he meets his “roommate.” Over the next decade, Nash not only encountered his roommate on several occasions, but also hallucinated his roommate’s niece, and an covert FBI agent. This information decidedly fulfills the DSM’s Schizophrenia requirement of experiencing symptoms for a significant period of time.


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Cara Skelly

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May 18, 2012, 12:23:04 AM5/18/12
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One criteria of schizophrenia is disorganized thought that creates an
impact on the patient's everyday life. Mentioned by Ashley, Nash
experiences this frequently through out his life. One such is example
is his frenzy to find an original idea at Princeton. He doesn't eat
and he works for days without stopping, covering his windows with
formulas. Another example is his interaction with his wife and other
real friends. Often times he gets distracted by his hallucinations
while teaching a class or talking to a colleague. Finally, his 'code
cracking' notes are certainly disorganized and disjointed. Nash
connects them in his own way, but they are actually a disorganized
formula of thoughts.

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