Double Suicide/Murder in Brookdale???
E.E. Fehrenbach
Saturday's Sentinel which reported a double murder or suicide which happened
in Brookdale. There have been no follow up reports and the original article
did not state whether there were any clues or if they were conducting an
investigation, just that they felt it was most likely a suicide.
This is the most bizzare case I have seen in recent memory, Brookdale just
doesnt seem like a place where this would happen. Driving by the Manor late
at night last night sent a chill right up my spine, the place had a very very
sinister feel to it, but I guess it always did.
Has anyone else noticed this?
-Taxi
"The power of love is greater than the power ....of death"
john christman
: This is the most bizzare case I have seen in recent memory, Brookdale just
Perhaps you should not think of the location where some tragedy takes
place, but rather the people that caused it. Yes, I quite agree with you
as I have lived in Brookdale for over 17 years now. However, no place is
immune to problems...excepting natural disasters it is the people who choose
the place where the crime or catastrophic event shall take place...not
the lo-cal or neighborhood!
John C.
J.R. Dean
> Perhaps you should not think of the location where some tragedy takes
> place, but rather the people that caused it. Yes, I quite agree with you
> as I have lived in Brookdale for over 17 years now. However, no place is
> immune to problems...excepting natural disasters it is the people who choose
> the place where the crime or catastrophic event shall take place...not
> the lo-cal or neighborhood!
>
> John C.
Yup. Lompico gets a bad rap because it's so dark in the
canyon, there *have* been a few incidents, etc., but things
happen elsewhere, too.
There was a cult in Ben Lomond a few years back. North of
Boulder Creek, near the Mountain Store, locals have reported
animal mutilations for the past few years. It just goes
with the territory that there are a few *whacks* out there,
but we notice it more often when things happen here as
opposed to daily murders in a large metropolis.
-- Dean
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Michael Bender
: Not to be morbid, but I came across an unfortunate news item in
: in Brookdale. There have been no follow up reports and the original article
: did not state whether there were any clues or if they were conducting an
: investigation, just that they felt it was most likely a suicide.
: sinister feel to it, but I guess it always did.
It was also reported (in much very much detail) in the Valley Press. Wierd.
Who owns the Manor?
mike
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Sheila M. Slife
I lived in the SLV from 1970 to 1989 but have since moved out of state; I
no longer have access to the local newspapers. I do recall that lots of
'strange' goings on occurred in the valley during the '70s!
Thank you.
BCFD36
is more like Ben Lomond. However, as far as wierd stuff goes, you would
not believe all the wierd stuff I've seen in the last 8 years since I got
on the fire department. If I hadn't seen it myself, I wouldn't have
believed it.
You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos and
expect to see Ned Beaty coming by with his pants down around his ankles.
Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
place to live.
David Scruggs BCFD #36
GTE Govt Systems Boulder Creek Fire Dept
Mtn View CA Boulder Creek Ca
Brian Sutin
>...
>You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos [...].
>Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
>place to live.
True. I live in Brookdale, and I own a banjo.
Brian Sutin su...@ucolick.org
Lick Observatory, UCSC Santa Cruz, CA 95064
Fred: "May I rescue you?" `Top Hat,' RKO 1935
Ginger: "No, thank you. I prefer being in distress."
System Ghoul
> bcf...@aol.com (BCFD36) writes:
> >...
> >You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos [...].
> >Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
> >place to live.
>
> True. I live in Brookdale, and I own a banjo.
>
Have you seen Ned Beatty lately?
-- D.
Brian Sutin
I deleted the reference to Ned Beatty because I have no idea who he is.
gl...@cruzio.com
> bcf...@aol.com (BCFD36) writes:
> >...
> >You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos [...].
> >Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
> >place to live.
>
> True. I live in Brookdale, and I own a banjo.
>
pants that can't be pulled down.
Glen "Squeelin' like a pig" Appleby
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Kboetzer
>>> >You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos [...].
>>> >Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
>>> >place to live.
>>>
>>> True. I live in Brookdale, and I own a banjo.
You better be carefull, Use A Banjo Go to Jail!
>>Have you seen Ned Beatty lately?
>
>I deleted the reference to Ned Beatty because I have no idea who he is.
>
>Brian Sutin su...@ucolick.org
>Lick Observatory, UCSC Santa Cruz, CA 95064
> Fred: "May I rescue you?" `Top Hat,' RKO 1935
> Ginger: "No, thank you. I prefer being in distress."
Looks like Davids age (as well as my own) is showing. See the movie "Deliverance".
;-)
On the same note I believe it wasn't too long ago that Santa Cruz County was the "Axe
Murder" capitol of the country on a number in the county basis. I'm not sure why I
capitalized that but I don't have italics. The axe murder designation refered to the
type as in a weird murder as opposed to the more normal hold up shoot `em type. Aren't
we glad that there's a normal form of murder. :-)
Enough already.
Ken
Robert Kleinschmidt
>In article <4lcs9q$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>bcf...@aol.com (BCFD36) writes:
><snip>
>> You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos and
>> expect to see Ned Beaty coming by with his pants down around his ankles.
>> place to live.
>
>Valley? %-}
Right after the '89 quake, I recall an interesting conversation
with two county workers who came around to take a head count of
mountain folk. After talking with me briefly, the lead guy said
something along the lines of:
"Incidentally, if you know of anyone back here who really
doesn't want to be disturbed, then we don't want to bother them".
"Hmmm!! Oh, you mean someone like say an herb farmer who might
be touchy about having their garden disturbed ? " I asked.
"Yes exactly!!" he replied. "We want people to know that the
disaster agencies really REALLY respect people's privacy,
and REALLY don't want to know what people might be growing."
I explained that I personally was a computer guy possessing no automatic
weapons, and that the last known horticulturalists had to move away
suddenly a few years earlier. With that, we went our separate ways.
Rob Kleinschmidt
gl...@cruzio.com
bcf...@aol.com (BCFD36) writes:
<snip>
> You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos and
> expect to see Ned Beaty coming by with his pants down around his ankles.
> Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
> place to live.
You ever consider a job on the Board of Tourism for the San Lorenzo
Valley? %-}
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It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
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>
>Looks like Davids age (as well as my own) is showing. See the movie "Deliverance".
>;-)
Question is which of the many auto repair shops in the valley would you
nominate for best "Griner Brothers" lookalike ?
adr...@cruzio.com
> sys...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (System Ghoul) writes:
> >su...@helios.ucolick.org (Brian Sutin) writes:
> >
> >> bcf...@aol.com (BCFD36) writes:
> >> >...
> >> >Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
> >> >place to live.
> >>
> >>
>
> I deleted the reference to Ned Beatty because I have no idea who he is.
>
*Deliverance* who was asked if he could "... squeal like a pig."
Beatty was Otis in *Superman* (Lex Luthor's henchman), he was
in the Hallmark presentation of "Friendly Fire," he was in
*Bonnie and Clyde*, and numerous other movies. He's been around
the block a few times and can play just about anything. Damn
fine character actor.
Bringing us back to the joke...
If you've got banjos in them thar hills, mebbe y'all seen
some cityfolk stumblin' 'round with thar pants down 'bout
their ankles. (End joke mode.)
The joke reference is obscure unless you've seen *Deliverance*.
The "squeal lahk a pig" scene is one of those oft-remembered
scenes from classic movies.
-- D.
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Jim Graham
Um...I live in Felton and I own a banjo and a nose
flute. Should I be concerned about myself?
J.R. Dean
Jim Graham <ji...@cruzio.com> writes:
> Um...I live in Felton and I own a banjo and a nose
> flute. Should I be concerned about myself?
Probably not... though I *am* a bit concerned
that I don't know what a nose flute is. I'm
not sure I want to imagine what this is, either...
No, you don't seem to be an idiot savant, bald-
headed, gap-toothed, banjo-pickin' mountain guy
with a taste for moonshine, pigs, and your fellow
man, so unless you live with one of these types,
don't worry.
I'm not sure what all this means for that idiot
savant and his banjo-pickin' girlfriend north
of BC, but I was worried about them to begin with...
Eh. She had a tin ear, anyway.
-- D.
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"I am a fly on the wall of your conscience."
E.E. Fehrenbach
He who has no life and can't get over the fact that he was dumped by
banjo-picking Ex with tin ear wrote:
> I'm not sure what all this means for that idiot
> savant and his banjo-pickin' girlfriend north
> of BC, but I was worried about them to begin with...
It means that you have not put behind you what never was meant
to be. Worry about yourself...creep.
> "I have a M I G R A I N !!!!."
J.R. Dean
"E.E. Fehrenbach" <Ta...@deeptht.armory.com>,
> He who has no life and can't get over the fact that he was dumped by
> banjo-picking Ex with tin ear wrote:
>
Oh, so you think she can't play? Tsk, tsk.
Golly, what a coincidence! Are we talking about
the same person? Wow!
>> I'm not sure what all this means for that idiot
>> savant and his banjo-pickin' girlfriend north
>> of BC, but I was worried about them to begin with...
>
> It means that you have not put behind you what never was meant
> to be. Worry about yourself...creep.
I don't recall mentioning good ol' taxi in my
post, nonetheless...
So... does this mean you're an idiot savant?
<snicker>
-- Dean
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J.R. Dean
A member of "The Grimoire" mailing list posted the following
Mercury News articles to the list about the double-murder/
suicide that occurred recently in Brookdale.
I believe several of us knew both Johnathan and Nowell.
Damn.
-- Dean
[begin]
>This seems an appropriate subject for the list.
>Does anyone have anymore details about this?
Attached are two stories from the Murk:
Pair found fatally shot in mansion
Mercury News Staff Report
The bodies of a woman and man -- both shot -- were found Friday in
a Brookdale mansion, victims of an apparent murder-suicide, Santa
Cruz County sheriff's deputies said.
Investigators said they believe Jonathan Denison Marsh, 42, shot and
killed the woman late Thursday or early Friday before turning the gun
on himself, said Sgt. Richard Ross.
The woman was tentatively identified by police as Katherine Lynn
Novelle, 42, who died after being shot twice. Marsh died from a single
gunshot wound.
It was not immediately clear from authorities what their relationship
was. But Ross said Marsh lived at the approximately 22,000-square-foot
home.
Deputies would not comment on the motive or what evidence led them to
believe the shooting was a murder-suicide.
The bodies were found by a house painter, who notified police at 1:49 p.m.
They were inside the servants' quarters of the mansion, known as Blake
Hammond Manor, Ross said.
The Highway 9 chateau was once a school for developmentally disabled
children, the sheriff's office said.
AND
Friends speculate on murder-suicide motive
By John Woolfolk
Mercury News Staff Writer
Money troubles and unrequited love were among the reasons suggested
Monday by friends and relatives of a couple who died in an apparent
murder-suicide last week at a mansion in the Santa Cruz mountains.
Jonathan Denison Marsh and his girlfriend, Katharine Lynn Nowell
Bunting, both 42, were found dead Friday in the servants quarters of
the former Blake Hammond Manor in Ben Lomond.
Nowell Bunting had been shot twice in the chest and Marsh once in the
chest, said Santa Cruz County sheriff's Sgt. Richard Ross.
Sheriff's investigators believe Marsh, who rented a room at the manor,
shot Bunting sometime late Thursday or early Friday, then turned the gun
on himself, Ross said. They are still looking for a motive.
The couple were found at 1:50 p.m. Friday by a painter, Phillip Watts,
and Pat Wilder, co-owner of the manor, a former school for the disabled
which they call by its original name, Riverwood Castle. The couple were
lying on their backs together on the floor, and the door was a few inches
ajar, Wilder said.
``They were peaceful-looking, like they were sleeping,'' Wilder said.
When the painter tried to wake them, they were stiff, Wilder said. They
then noticed Marsh's .38-caliber revolver lying a foot from Marsh's
right hand and called police, she said.
There was a bullet hole in the window, but the bed was neatly made and
there were no signs of struggle, Wilder said. Her ex-husband, Roger, was
in another room watching television at the time and did not notice
anything, she said.
Wilder described Marsh, a contractor who had been living at the manor
since November, as a talented man who enjoyed building and working with
computers. But she said he may have had money troubles.
``One day, he told me he was very stressed out,'' Wilder said. ``I think
he was struggling. He had some real financial reverses, and I felt that
had a lot to do with what happened.''
At the Denny's in Scotts Valley where Nowell Bunting worked as a waitress,
co-workers said she had been resisting Marsh's romantic advances. The two
were former neighbors in the Live Oak area near Santa Cruz where Marsh
used to live with his mother, and she had been helping him on construction
jobs. Police said the two ate dinner together the night they died and had
dated a few times.
``He was moving in way too fast,'' said Joanne Robertson, a waitress at
Denny's, where co-workers have set up a collection bucket for Bunting's
two school-age children. ``I think she just wanted to be his friend. But
he wanted more of a relationship than a friendship.''
Nowell Bunting's husband, Denis Bunting, from whom she had been separated,
declined comment.
Robertson described her slain co-worker as a devoted mother with an
artistic gift: She would often sketch customers on a napkin and give the
drawing to them.
``We don't think Kate would have done that to herself,'' Robertson said.
``She wasn't that kind of person. Kate was a very good mother. She would
not run off and leave her kids at home.''
Marsh's mother, Dory Marsh, said her son was not romantically interested
in Nowell Bunting because of her children.
``He didn't want to get involved with her for that reason,'' Marsh said.
Her son had been buying equipment to expand his business and appeared to
have several jobs lined up, she said. He bought the gun two weeks ago,
she said, to protect himself while he looked for property to build a cabin
in the mountains.
[end]
J.R. Dean
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) writes:
> A member of "The Grimoire" mailing list posted the following
> Mercury News articles to the list about the double-murder/
> suicide that occurred recently in Brookdale.
>
> I believe several of us knew both Johnathan and Nowell.
>
Whoops. Got the name wrong. I meant to say "Kate."
Nowell was one of her last names.
I didn't know her well, just got into some conversa-
tions with her at Denny's a few times.
-- Dean
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Harrison Page
In article <960430.015852...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>,
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
> I'm not sure what all this means for that idiot
> savant and his banjo-pickin' girlfriend north
> of BC, but I was worried about them to begin with...
There's something wrong with you, Dean. You're broken.
..Harrison
gre...@cruzio.com
On Monday, April 29, 1996, Jim Graham wrote...
| Um...I live in Felton and I own a banjo and a nose
| flute. Should I be concerned about myself?
|
Only if you have a cold and your nose leaks.
Wailer at the Gates of Dawn
Grow up you little shits. Quit wasting our time with your silly
prattle. You don't even know how to flame properly.
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Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | |
DoD#0667 "Just a friend of the beast." | ban...@cats.UCSC.EDU |
2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| |
Brian Sutin
ban...@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
>Grow up you little shits. Quit wasting our time with your silly
>prattle. You don't even know how to flame properly.
I second the motion. Shall we put it to a vote?
>The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | ban...@resort.com |
Brian Sutin su...@ucolick.org
Iris Pruett
In article w1...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us, j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) writes:
> Jim Graham <ji...@cruzio.com> writes:
>
> > Um...I live in Felton and I own a banjo and a nose
> > flute. Should I be concerned about myself?
>
> that I don't know what a nose flute is. I'm
> not sure I want to imagine what this is, either...
>
> No, you don't seem to be an idiot savant, bald-
> headed, gap-toothed, banjo-pickin' mountain guy
> with a taste for moonshine, pigs, and your fellow
> man, so unless you live with one of these types,
> don't worry.
>
> savant and his banjo-pickin' girlfriend north
> of BC, but I was worried about them to begin with...
>
>
>
> -- D.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
Iris Pruett
In article 44...@deeptht.armory.com, "E.E. Fehrenbach" <Ta...@deeptht.armory.com> writes:
> He who has no life and can't get over the fact that he was dumped by
> banjo-picking Ex with tin ear wrote:
>
> > savant and his banjo-pickin' girlfriend north
> > of BC, but I was worried about them to begin with...
>
> to be. Worry about yourself...creep.
Iris Pruett
In article w1...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us, j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) writes:
Iris Pruett
In article 1bd4e3a5@greggh, gre...@cruzio.com <gre...@cruzio.com> writes:
>
> On Monday, April 29, 1996, Jim Graham wrote...
> | flute. Should I be concerned about myself?
> |
>
adr...@cruzio.com
In article <4ma2lj$a...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, ban...@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
>
> Grow up you little shits. Quit wasting our time with your silly
> prattle. You don't even know how to flame properly.
>
> DoD#0667 "Just a friend of the beast." | ban...@cats.UCSC.EDU |
> 2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| |
"Yew got a reeeel purdy mouth, boyah..."
I suppose if one were flaming for "sport," then this
comment would apply. This flame thread is not for
fun nor sport, though...
-- D.
E.E. Fehrenbach
adr...@cruzio.com wrote:
> I suppose if one were flaming for "sport," then this
> comment would apply. This flame thread is not for
> fun nor sport, though...
>
> -- D.
What the hell are you doing it for anyways? Do you enjoy torturing
your EX? And why? Because she would not take you back despite you
begging and pleading for her to. BTW- I really enjoy reading those
letters you wrote to her, they are good for a few laughes yet! Though
it will probably make you cry, we shall see.
-Taxi
J.R. Dean
"E.E. Fehrenbach" <Ta...@deeptht.armory.com> writes:
> BTW- I really enjoy reading those
> letters you wrote to her, they are good for a few laughes yet! Though
> it will probably make you cry, we shall see.
>
> -Taxi
You're not the first person Kim has shown my personal
letters to... I believe about a dozen people got there
before you.
Well, thanks. I guess this means you think the letters
were well-written and heart-felt, eh?
So... did they make *you* cry*?
Maybe there's hope for you yet.
-- D.
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Kim: You're not as attentive as Dean was.
Max: Don't compare me to him -- *don't compare me to him*!
Exes don't count! Exes don't count! Heh.
William R. Ward
I've added @nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us and ta...@deeptht.armory.com to
my killfile. I encourage others to do the same.
If you post from nocturne and aren't Dean, you'll be ignored too -- I
guess it's time for you to pick a new BBS in that case. I'm so sick
of this shit that I've put the whole site in my killfile, as Dean
frequently posts from any of a half-dozen different accounts there and
I don't want to have to keep track of which is which.
If enough people ignore them, maybe they'll shut up.
--Bill.
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melp...@cruzio.com
su...@sol.ucolick.org (Brian Sutin) wrote:
>ban...@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
>>Grow up you little shits. Quit wasting our time with your silly
>>prattle. You don't even know how to flame properly.
>I second the motion. Shall we put it to a vote?
Last time around on this never-ending thread, someone suggested a FAQ
be put together on the subject. Since my main form of entertainment
these days seems to be reading Usenet and getting annoyed, I've tossed
together some questions for a proposed FAQ. Feel free to pipe in with
other questions or answers to the questions.
Proposed FAQ questions:
What started all this?
Whose fault is it, anyway?
How many people are really involved?
Who is an alias for whom?
Who reads these messages?
What's the deal with the restraining order?
Can we revoke the restraining order, or extend it to Usenet?
How old are these people, anyway?
Are there any good killfile scripts pertaining to these threads?
--Mel "It takes a big man to cry, and
melp...@cruzio.com it takes a bigger man to laugh at
that man."
- Rev. Billy C. Wirtz
Heather Madrone
In Article<Dqur8...@cruzio.com>, <melp...@cruzio.com> write:
> Last time around on this never-ending thread, someone suggested a FAQ
> be put together on the subject. Since my main form of entertainment
> these days seems to be reading Usenet and getting annoyed, I've tossed
> together some questions for a proposed FAQ. Feel free to pipe in with
> other questions or answers to the questions.
No baby yet, eh?
Don't worry, you can soon add looking into your son's eyes to your forms
of entertainment.
My problem with this FAQ is that no one ever asks or answers these questions.
Hence, we should alter the acronym slightly to Frequently Argued Questions.
> Proposed FAQ questions:
I think I'll take a stab at answering these. This is for amusement value
only. All resemblance to persons living or dead is purely human nature at
work. It's all done with smoke and mirrors. Etc.
> What started all this?
Obviously, the answer to this question is Dean and Kim. It takes two to
tango. The tango turned sour and they started stepping on one another's
toes. It's a universal Somebody Did Somebody Wrong tale. We've all been
there, done that, starred in the made for tv movie.
> Whose fault is it, anyway?
Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
take their toll.
Another bad country/Western theme here.
> How many people are really involved?
Three. Everyone else wishes the principals would just stuff it, take it
to private email, or face one another with pistols at dawn.
> Who is an alias for whom?
That I don't know. Sorry. Jeff's the conspiracy buff.
> Who reads these messages?
Dean, Eric, and Kim.
> What's the deal with the restraining order?
It was premature. These folks definitely have some karma to work out.
Next life, I guess.
> Can we revoke the restraining order, or extend it to Usenet?
Whether we can or not, let's.
> How old are these people, anyway?
Old enough to know better.
> Are there any good killfile scripts pertaining to these threads?
You betcha. Most newsreaders now come equipped with killfiles that trash
articles from the principals in their various guises.
--hmm, wondering when it's her turn to air *her* dirty laundry in
public. Hers is, after all, *much* more interesting than Dean's,
Kim's, and Eric's.
J.R. Dean
melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) writes:
> Last time around on this never-ending thread, someone suggested a FAQ
> be put together on the subject. Since my main form of entertainment
> these days seems to be reading Usenet and getting annoyed, I've tossed
> together some questions for a proposed FAQ. Feel free to pipe in with
> other questions or answers to the questions.
>
> Proposed FAQ questions:
>
[snip]
Okay, if this is truly what you want I'll whip it up
and make it available via this site's file server. I
don't think many people will snag it -- people don't
BBS as much these days in favor of web surfing, and
the same holds true for mailing lists and file servers
(ftp-by-mail). I get regular requests to make issues
of "The Garret" available as web pages.
You'll be able get the psycho bunny boiler FAQ by e-mail
from nocturne's file server. The alias for that will be:
pbb...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us
or
Give me a couple of days to get that written and aliased.
Believe it or not, I do have more important things to do.
-- Dean
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j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us ..scruz.ucsc.edu!nocturne!jrd
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 336-0610
J.R. Dean
her...@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
>
> I've added @nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us and ta...@deeptht.armory.com to
> my killfile. I encourage others to do the same.
>
> If you post from nocturne and aren't Dean, you'll be ignored too -- I
> guess it's time for you to pick a new BBS in that case. I'm so sick
> of this shit that I've put the whole site in my killfile, as Dean
> frequently posts from any of a half-dozen different accounts there and
> I don't want to have to keep track of which is which.
>
The accounts I post from at this site to the scruz newsgroups
are "jrd" and "system" -- other admin aliases at this site
are used for BBS duties, mailing list maintenance, and so on.
That's it. It's not unusual for admins to have several
accounts for various tasks.
I'm not surprised at Mr. Bill behaving this way. He's had
an axe to grind since his girlfriend flamed me and I told
her to shut up. She was deliberately resurrecting a very
unpopular, nearly-extinct thread just for kicks. Funny,
isn't it, that Mr. Bill never said anything about her antics,
nor dropped her into his kill file, and likewise that, until
now, he has not chastised Taxi/Eric for *starting* flame
threads? (I guess he felt Eric had finally pushed it all too
damn far. It appears they "run" in the same circles, but
in the end even this could not save Taxi from the wrath
of Mr. Bill.)
I can understand the frustration that folks may have with
this crap, but imagine how I feel being at the center of it.
Nice reminder: *I* didn't start this. See the FAQ.
BTW -- is Mr. Bill still flaming non-local poets in scruz.
poetry? I plonked him in my kill file over there. Talk
about tedious...
Donald B. Larson
Brian Sutin wrote:
>
> bcf...@aol.com (BCFD36) writes:
> >...
> >You get far enough back on some of these roads and you here banjos [...].
> >Some of those places are down right spooky. This is a very interesting
> >place to live.
>
> True. I live in Brookdale, and I own a banjo.
God, Scary things those banjos are... the metal rims on those things are
hard enough to smash accordions... There have just been too many hate
crimes
inflicted upon accordions by banjos in recent years for my own confort.
melp...@cruzio.com
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>Okay, if this is truly what you want I'll whip it up
>and make it available via this site's file server. I
>don't think many people will snag it -- people don't
>BBS as much these days in favor of web surfing, and
>the same holds true for mailing lists and file servers
>(ftp-by-mail). I get regular requests to make issues
>of "The Garret" available as web pages.
>You'll be able get the psycho bunny boiler FAQ by e-mail
>from nocturne's file server. The alias for that will be:
> pbb...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us
>or
>Give me a couple of days to get that written and aliased.
>Believe it or not, I do have more important things to do.
I appreciate your efforts, Dean.
But since it's a FAQ, it ought to also have the "other story" as well,
no? And perhaps should be put together by a non-interested third
party?
This way, it can be reposted to the local groups every so often, or
better yet, made available via the Web, and then anyone who wants to
visit or revisit the scene of the crime can do so at their leisure.
And you and the other parties no longer need to snipe at each other
publicly, other than to refer each other to the FAQ ("May I suggest
that someone-who-shall-remain-nameless-but-obviously-refers-to-
_________ look at the FAQ, section 4.a.").
--Mel
melp...@cruzio.com
Brian Sutin
Heather Madrone <hea...@madrone.com> writes:
[...]
>--hmm, wondering when it's her turn to air *her* dirty laundry in
>public. Hers is, after all, *much* more interesting than Dean's,
>Kim's, and Eric's.
Heather, the baby poop in *your* dirty laundry is only more interesting
because it comes from *your* baby.
Heather Madrone
In Article<4mg94u$6...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, <su...@sol.ucolick.org> write:
> Heather Madrone <hea...@madrone.com> writes:
> >--hmm, wondering when it's her turn to air *her* dirty laundry in
> >public. Hers is, after all, *much* more interesting than Dean's,
> >Kim's, and Eric's.
>
> Heather, the baby poop in *your* dirty laundry is only more interesting
> because it comes from *your* baby.
I'm glad that you think my baby is such an interesting little guy, Brian.
You will have also noticed that I don't discuss the nature and frequency of
his bowel movements on the scruz.* newsgroups. I also don't discuss the
quantity of clothing I launder each week or the difficulties of removing
certain stubborn stains.
In other words, I have been on Usenet long enough to realize that it's
in poor taste to air one's dirty linen here.
But, y'know, other folks have been on Usenet a long time, too, and some of
them seem to feel that it is THE place to air dirty laundry. Maybe I've been
wrong all these years and stale dirty laundry is what Usenet readers are
clamoring for.
Y'all let me know if that's the case and I'll post all about my 8th grade
feud with a certain Julie MacKenzie.
--hmm
J.R. Dean
melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) writes:
> I appreciate your efforts, Dean.
>
> But since it's a FAQ, it ought to also have the "other story" as well,
> no? And perhaps should be put together by a non-interested third
> party?
>
Fair enough. However, who will you find who knows enough
about it and is willing to dig through the stories, sort
the swine from swine (using perl, no doubt), etc.? Most
people are either uninterested, miffed, or biased in
favor of one side or the other.
I'd be happy to put that on the file server here, too.
Are you volunteering? (I don't mind if it'somewhat tongue-
in-cheek, as the current filled-in examples have been.)
The web page idea has been discussed. However, well, there
are some related issues with that.
-- Dean
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j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us -- "The Enclave" -- +1 408 336-0610
j...@nocturne.sbay.org http://www.armory.com/~dstar/enclave.html
=+! Public Access Usenet BBS for Writers & Other Fiends !+=
"Art has no universal rules because each true artist melts
J.R. Dean
Heather Madrone <hea...@madrone.com> writes:
> No baby yet, eh?
>
> Don't worry, you can soon add looking into your son's eyes to your forms
> of entertainment.
>
Oh oh. Baby poop discussion alert.
When you remain single and reach a certain age
it seems that all of your now-married contemporaries
are suddenly discussing the fascinating consistency
of their offsprings' feces with an almost spirital
devotion. Gack, beam me outta here, Scotty.
> > Whose fault is it, anyway?
>
> Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
> take their toll.
... and Max. He was the first boyfriend Kim had
immediately after Kim and I split. He's the twit
who stalked and attacked me. Eric, to his credit,
has not attacked me. He's not entirely bright,
but he's not completely psychotic, either.
Interesting note... Eric and Max are buddies, and
as has been true with her past lovers (but not
with me, I was sort of the fluke, the "odd man
out"), Kim was passed along from Max to Eric.
This is why their assertion that Eric did not
know who I was when he first contacted me is so
ludicrous. I know Max's idea of fun, and I cannot
believe that he did not tell stories and jokes
about me.
> Three. Everyone else wishes the principals would just stuff it, take it
> to private email, or face one another with pistols at dawn.
>
Four. I refer swords or rapier wit.
> > Who is an alias for whom?
>
> That I don't know. Sorry. Jeff's the conspiracy buff.
>
The folks who were accused of being me at this site
don't post from here much these days. Can you blame
them?
I've contacted "Orlando" and know who it is. I
*have* met this person. Eric obviously doesn't
look at news headers very carefully. I'm sure
many of the regulars were able to see that the
message came from none of my regular posting
locations. More I will not say to preserve the
anonymity of "Orlando."
A couple of hackers who wish me ill have met up with
Bach and friends via Usenet and e-mail to lend
support, but I suspect Eric and Kim now think this
was a bad idea. (These hackers are not particularly
trustworthy.)
> > Who reads these messages?
>
> Dean, Eric, and Kim.
>
... and Max.
Let's be honest, here. More of you read the messages
than are willing to admit it. For some folks that's
the highlight of their on-line amusement for the
{week,month,quarter}.
> > What's the deal with the restraining order?
>
> It was premature. These folks definitely have some karma to work out.
> Next life, I guess.
>
Not premature. Long overdue. It hasn't made
any difference, though, in the long run.
Restraining orders often do little good unless
there was virtually no problem to begin with.
Cops have admitted to me that restraining orders
are basically the paper trail leading from the
suspect(s) back to your bloody corpse after
something happens.
Cheery, eh?
> > How old are these people, anyway?
>
> Old enough to know better.
>
Granted.
> --hmm, wondering when it's her turn to air *her* dirty laundry in
> public. Hers is, after all, *much* more interesting than Dean's,
> Kim's, and Eric's.
>
You keep saying that, Heather. Stop teasing
us and deliver.
Actually, I do suspect you have some rather
interesting dirty laundry. Still, I could
give you a good run for your money with the
stuff I *haven't* told, the stuff Kim is
praying I find just as embarrassing as she
does. Big-name personalities, odd deviancies,
the moral decay of the western world -- oooo,
it's kinky stuff, man.
-- Dean
=-=-=-=-=-=-=
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us "The Enclave" -- 1 408 336-0610
=+! Public Access Usenet BBS for Writers & Other Fiends !+=
"Sorry, I was too fucking busy -- and vice versa." -- Dororthy Parker
Harrison Page
In article <NEWTNews.831188...@madrone.com>, Heather Madrone
<hea...@madrone.com> wrote:
> In Article<Dqur8...@cruzio.com>, <melp...@cruzio.com> write:
> > Last time around on this never-ending thread, someone suggested a FAQ
> > be put together on the subject. Since my main form of entertainment
> > these days seems to be reading Usenet and getting annoyed, I've tossed
> > together some questions for a proposed FAQ. Feel free to pipe in with
> > other questions or answers to the questions.
> >
> > Are there any good killfile scripts pertaining to these threads?
>
> You betcha. Most newsreaders now come equipped with killfiles that trash
> articles from the principals in their various guises.
Adding Dean Edward Stark to your killfile is no easy task.
Lucky for the folks on the ba and scruz hierarchies, I have a list handy.
For those using rn, add these lines to ~/News/KILL:
/nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us/f:j
/nocturne.sbay.org/f:j
/adr...@cruzio.com/f:j
/ds...@armory.com/f:j
This will effectively killfile all of nocturne and Dean's noise. Here's
a list of individual accounts on nocturne:
/jrd/f:j
/system/f:j
/root/f:j
/cerastes/f:j
/assassin/f:j
/spidey/f:j
For more information about killfiles, visit this URL:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/killfile-faq/faq.html
As helpful as can be,
..Harrison
--
Harrison Page (harr...@censor.com, http://www.censor.com)
"The delusions may be multiple, but are often organized around a
coherent theme."
J.R. Dean
harr...@censor.com (Harrison Page) writes:
> Lucky for the folks on the ba and scruz hierarchies, I have a list handy.
>
> For those using rn, add these lines to ~/News/KILL:
>
> /nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us/f:j
> /nocturne.sbay.org/f:j
> /adr...@cruzio.com/f:j
> /ds...@armory.com/f:j
>
Odd, isn't it, that Harrison Page, despite following
me around to various newsgroups and harassing me for
the past two years, claiming how much he hates me,
etc., continues to read all of my posts? Why am I
still not in his own kill file?
Page and his buddies have also, you'll notice,
insisted on using my real name rather than my
penname, thus nixing my wish to keep my business
and my online Usenet life separate. I rarely post
under my real name, and most folks know me as
J.R. Dean, and many call me J.R. in person.
One exception to my penname rule, where I *do*
post under my real name, is when I'm reporting
Net abuse like forged news articles, e-mail bombings,
and site breakins (halcyon.com being the last site
they hacked) perpetrated by Page and his buddies.
BTW, I can't recall the last time I posted to Usenet
news from the Armory. Do a search on that account
from Deja News and you'll see I'm correct.
> This will effectively killfile all of nocturne and Dean's noise. Here's
> a list of individual accounts on nocturne:
>
> /jrd/f:j
> /system/f:j
> /root/f:j
> /cerastes/f:j
> /assassin/f:j
> /spidey/f:j
>
Wrong. The last three accounts are not mine. Also,
Cerastes now posts mostly from AOL under another
account name. Colin, aka assassin, rarely logs in
here and does not post from here; Colin was never
much of a Usenet person.
Peter, aka spidey, has not logged in here in ages.
He has an account on the Armory and posts occasionally
from there. I believe he may also have an account at
UCSC. He posted from this site only once or twice,
anyway.
Fortunately, these people have other options for
posting news and sending mail than just nocturne.
Basically, in an attempt to shut down this site,
Page accuses anyone posting to Usenet news from
this site of being me. This has, of course, made
it very popular to post from this site. Right.
Harrison is one of the "hackers" I spoke of in
a previous post. Since he hates me so much, it
was inevitable that he'd find and trade info with
Taxi and Kat91. Page's antipathy towards me and
this site relates to bogus accounts and attempted
breakins at this site by him and his buddies. They
can't stand the fact that they were caught in the
act.
Search Deja News for spidey, cerastes, and
assassin to confirm what I'm saying. After
Harrison and his buddies accused these users
of being me they decided it wasn't worth it
to post from this site. Also search the
Deja News website news archives for Page's
various posts, and those of his buddy MC2
(the plague of alt.tasteless). These guys
think they're oh so amusing, but hardly any-
one else does. MC2 has even inspired his
own "alt.fan" newsgroup.
Nice boy, this Harrison Page, eh?
To filter Harrison Page's posts, add the
following to your kill file:
hpage/f:j
harrison/f:j
censor.com/f:j
hedgehog/f:j
alcyone.com/f:j
cafe22.com/f:j
harr...@darkside.com/f:j
harr...@wiretap.spies.com/f:j
harr...@spies.com/f:j
harr...@cname.com/f:j
harr...@netscape.com/f:j
As you can see, Page has many more accounts
than I do. censor and hedgehog are his machines;
darkside, cafe22, alcyone, wiretap, spies, and
cname belong to his buddies.
-- Dean
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j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us ..scruz.ucsc.edu!nocturne!jrd
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 336-0610
J.R. Dean
harr...@censor.com (Harrison Page) writes:
> In article <960430.015852...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>,
> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what all this means for that idiot
> > savant and his banjo-pickin' girlfriend north
> > of BC, but I was worried about them to begin with...
>
> There's something wrong with you, Dean. You're broken.
>
> ..Harrison
To filter Harrison Page's posts, add the
following to your kill file:
hpage/f:j
harrison/f:j
censor.com/f:j
hedgehog/f:j
alcyone.com/f:j
cafe22.com/f:j
harr...@darkside.com/f:j
harr...@wiretap.spies.com/f:j
harr...@spies.com/f:j
harr...@cname.com/f:j
harr...@netscape.com/f:j
J.R. Dean
harr...@censor.com (Harrison Page) writes:
> Lucky for the folks on the ba and scruz hierarchies, I have a list handy.
>
> For those using rn, add these lines to ~/News/KILL:
>
To filter out articles and forged news from Harrison
Page and his buddies, add the following to your rn/trn
kill file:
hpage/f:j
harrison/f:j
censor.com/f:j
hedgehog/f:j
alcyone.com/f:j
cafe22.com/f:j
harr...@darkside.com/f:j
harr...@wiretap.spies.com/f:j
harr...@spies.com/f:j
harr...@cname.com/f:j
harr...@netscape.com/f:j
-- Dean
Harrison's...
> "... delusions may be multiple, but are often organized around a
> coherent theme."
gl...@cruzio.com
In article <NEWTNews.8312393...@madrone.com>,
>
> But, y'know, other folks have been on Usenet a long time, too, and some of
> them seem to feel that it is THE place to air dirty laundry. Maybe I've been
> wrong all these years and stale dirty laundry is what Usenet readers are
> clamoring for.
>
> Y'all let me know if that's the case and I'll post all about my 8th grade
> feud with a certain Julie MacKenzie.
Inquiring minds want to know -- nay, *need* to know.
--
Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss's job.
It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
_______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby gl...@cruzio.com http://www2.cruzio.com/~glena/
E.E. Fehrenbach
> melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) writes:
>
> > I appreciate your efforts, Dean.
> >
> > But since it's a FAQ, it ought to also have the "other story" as well,
> > no? And perhaps should be put together by a non-interested third
> > party?
Mel,
Thank you and others for your efforts at mitigating this in a fair non-biased
way. However, I (not sure about Kim) do not believe that this can be done in
an equitable manner here. Therefore, dean may spew forth his false
allegations, conspiracy theories, and self-gratifying digs to his hearts
content. I have no desire to "tell my side of the story" other than to state
plainly that I will respond to the hidden gems in his baiting flame posts
whenever I choose to. How anyone can tolerate this taunting, stalking creep
is beyond me.
His modus operandi is always the same, boring really. I will post an article
on divers topics such as the recent murder/suicide in Brookdale, and sure as
the sun shines, mister piggy comes along (to let me know he's there) and
appears to contribute to the discussion, although his curious fascination
with the Deliverance jokes MUST give one pause. Then, by his own admission
he "baits the hook" with a snide little reference to me which is just too
invidious to ignore. He then quickly throws up some BS about his "knowing"
the woman who was killed backpedaling after realizing that he got her name
wrong. He also includes some snippets from the Mercury, which everyone has
already seen, to give the impression that he is genuinely contributing to the
thread. After I reply to his baiting post, he(fictitious person?) or someone
else whose identity is "anonymous" takes his side in the argument. When
other users who are sick of these flame wars get involved, dean volunteers to
write the FAQ!!! How cunningly convenient!! No, my side of the story will be
told in a court of law, if it must come to that.
For what it's worth, I have already apologized to dean publicly for the
original flame post I sent to him over a year ago. At the time I did not
realize his connection to Kim and you can take it or leave it but it's the
truth. If I remember correctly, I (and many others) were tired of having to
sort through his mountains of advertising garbage for his mailing lists.
Mercifully he has ended that practice. Despite my open apology to him and
everyone else who may have seen it, dean very gruffly refused. He then made
it a point to follow me in the newsgroups wherever I go, waiting for just the
right moment to bait me into responding to him. It does not matter what I
post, there is ALWAYS a response from him, he even sees fit to flame my for
sale postings! To me that is barefaced harassment and I want it to S T O P
right now.
I think that extending the restraining order to cover USENET might just be
feasible. I am not interested in the FAQ. Or preferably, lets just forget the
whole thing ever happened and go our merry ways but now realizing where the
other persons nose begins. I must admit that dean has posted useful
information at times on topics that are interesting to me and I have no
problem in his responding to my posts as long as they are devoid of the
flambe material which is really just directed towards Kim. I guess I am just
a victim by proxy. Ho hum……
Sincerely,
E. E. Fehrenbach
"To be either a preacher, a prig, or a puritan is a bad thing. To be all
three at once reminds me of the worst excesses of the Roman Empire." -o.w.
J.R. Dean
"E.E. Fehrenbach" <Ta...@deeptht.armory.com> writes:
[lie upon lie upon lie snipped...]
To filter out articles from Eric Fehrenbach, add
the following to your rn/trn kill file:
ta...@deeptht.armory.com/f:j
ta...@armory.com/f:j
Steve Premo
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>> > Whose fault is it, anyway?
>>
>> Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
>> take their toll.
>... and Max.
What about Cammie?
-
Steve Premo "You can believe me, because I never lie,
Premo-Fine Family and I'm always right."
Santa Cruz, California -George Tirebiter
http://www2.cruzio.com/~premo/steve.html
gl...@cruzio.com
In article <Dqzs3...@cruzio.com>, pr...@cruzio.com (Steve Premo) writes:
> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>
> >> > Whose fault is it, anyway?
> >>
> >> Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
> >> take their toll.
>
> >... and Max.
>
> What about Cammie?
Troublemaker! %-}
Daniel Veditz
J.R. Dean wrote:
> Heather Madrone <hea...@madrone.com> writes:
> > Three. Everyone else wishes the principals would just stuff it, take it
> > to private email, or face one another with pistols at dawn.
Better get out that whetstone--you're hardly up to "butter-knife".
-Dan Veditz
Kat91
I don't intend to contribute to any "Psycho Bunny Boiler" FAQ. As I've
said before, if anyone needs information about my private life, email me.
If you're just looking for entertainment, I suggest you pick up a copy of
Gone With The Wind.
Seems to be in fashion to list folks' addresses for possible kill-files.
Hey, lemme jump on the bandwagon and save someone some research:
Ka...@aol.com
Kime...@aol.com
Kime...@deeptht.armory.com
I also have an account on Cleveland Freenet, but it's been so long since I
have used it that I can't remember the name. Don't know what to tell you
... maybe you could kill-file the whole site.
A cheerful farewell to anyone who decides to nix my posts. If you don't
want to hear from me, I'm happy you have this option.
So, to sum it up .... I said I wasn't going to post in response to Dean.
I have added that I won't contribute to a FAQ in response to him. I won't
particpate in any alt.dean.vs.eric.and.kim newsgroup, either. Or mailing
lists. Or print media. Or teleconferences. Or press conferences. No
chats on IRC or ICB. No duels at dawn or breast-beating at noon. I'll
refuse requests for interviews from the National Enquirer. If Oprah or
Ricki Lake or Dan-the-Man Rather asks me to come on down and chat about
Dean, I'll say no. No response means no response. I hope that covers it
all, because not only do I not want to respond to Dean, I don't want to
discuss him with anyone else or waste my time and everyone else's with
further posts explaining my policy of non-response!
In hopes this is the last time I have to post on this subject,
Kim Bach
Paul Popelka
Ya know, I've had it with this unending line of drivel. ba.mountain-folk
used to be a pretty nice newsgroup. I viewed it as a place where
I could go to get a glimpse of how folks, not caught up in the rat
race of silicon valley, act and live. Alas, it seems there is not
much difference.
Please take this inane discourse to some other forum.
Thanks,
Paul
--
==============================================================================
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of Auspex
==============================================================================
They made me add this!
J.R. Dean
"E.E. Fehrenbach" <Ta...@deeptht.armory.com> writes:
> He then quickly throws up some BS about his "knowing"
> the woman who was killed backpedaling after realizing that he got her name
> wrong. He also includes some snippets from the Mercury, which everyone has
> already seen, to give the impression that he is genuinely contributing to the
> thread.
Well, *I* didn't see the articles. I don't get the
Mercury News, and I read the Sentinel only infre-
quently, maybe once or twice a week. I was grateful
that Jane posted those articles to "The Grimoire"
in response to my query.
I found this bit from Fehrenbach particularly in-
sulting. Accusing me of using a couple of dead
people in a scheme to get at *him* and Kim is just
too much.
I've posted a rebuttal to Bach and Fehrenbach's
latest sack of lies to the following URL:
<http://165.227.192.254/~jrd/rebuttal.html>
Those who want to read it, can; those who don't
want to be inflicted with more of this crap can
just skip it.
-- Dean
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j...@nocturne.sbay.org http://www.armory.com/~dstar/enclave.html
=+! Public Access Usenet BBS for Writers & Other Fiends !+=
"Roosters should not be braver than their owners."
-- Anonymous
J.R. Dean
J.R. Dean
pr...@cruzio.com (Steve Premo) writes:
> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>
> >> > Whose fault is it, anyway?
> >>
> >> Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
> >> take their toll.
>
> >... and Max.
>
> What about Cammie?
>
She might still be reading the flames from her account
on AOL, but remember that Cammie is Colin's girlfriend,
not mine. As long and Bach and company don't discover
Cammie's new AOL address she's probably not that
interested.
-- Dean
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j...@nocturne.sbay.org http://www.armory.com/~dstar/enclave.html
=+! Public Access Usenet BBS for Writers & Other Fiends !+=
"Art has no universal rules because each true artist melts
J.R. Dean
adr...@cruzio.com
Better get out your sense of humor -- that's called a joke with
a typo.
-- Dean
--
Adr...@Cruzio.COM http://www.cruzio.com/~viscera/
*Viscera* -- literary horror fiction with bite...
adr...@cruzio.com
> I have added that I won't contribute to a FAQ in response to him. I won't
> particpate in any alt.dean.vs.eric.and.kim newsgroup, either. Or mailing
> lists. Or print media. Or teleconferences. Or press conferences. No
> chats on IRC or ICB. No duels at dawn or breast-beating at noon. I'll
> refuse requests for interviews from the National Enquirer. If Oprah or
> Ricki Lake or Dan-the-Man Rather asks me to come on down and chat about
> Dean, I'll say no. No response means no response. I hope that covers it
> all, because not only do I not want to respond to Dean, I don't want to
> discuss him with anyone else or waste my time and everyone else's with
> further posts explaining my policy of non-response!
>
> In hopes this is the last time I have to post on this subject,
> Kim Bach
Wow. Such a lot of comment just to say she won't comment...
Of course... this doesn't preclude the inevitability that
Kim will "comment" by jerking Eric's chain. Yah. Business
as usual....
-- D.
Paul Stevens
In article <iBRiND...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>, j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us writes:
[lots of soap-opera details deleted]
> ...but remember that Cammie is Colin's girlfriend,
> not mine.
You still don't seem to get it. We don't want to remember this
nor any of the other "facts" in this twisted tail of people who
have no clue. We are not interested. We wish you all would find
another outlet for you juvenille frustrations.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Paul Stevens Silicon Graphics
ste...@engr.sgi.com Mountain View, CA
Daniel Veditz
adr...@cruzio.com wrote:
> In article <318E3C...@borland.com>, Daniel Veditz <dan...@borland.com> writes:
> > J.R. Dean wrote:
> > > Heather Madrone <hea...@madrone.com> writes:
> > > > Three. Everyone else wishes the principals would just stuff it, take it
> > > > to private email, or face one another with pistols at dawn.
> > > Four. I [p]refer swords or rapier wit.
> >
> > Better get out that whetstone--you're hardly up to "butter-knife".
>
> a typo.
My humor has been on full-alert, hoping this has all been some
massive joke. But, alas, typo or no there has been a complete absense
of wit in this entire thread. Maybe you meant to say you prefer
rapier melodrama.
-Dan Veditz
melp...@cruzio.com
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>pr...@cruzio.com (Steve Premo) writes:
>> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>>
>> >> > Whose fault is it, anyway?
>> >>
>> >> Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
>> >> take their toll.
>>
>> >... and Max.
>>
>> What about Cammie?
>>
>She might still be reading the flames from her account
>on AOL, but remember that Cammie is Colin's girlfriend,
>not mine. As long and Bach and company don't discover
>Cammie's new AOL address she's probably not that
>interested.
Who's Colin?
--Mel
melp...@cruzio.com
Heather Madrone
In Article<Dr21n...@cruzio.com>, <gl...@cruzio.com> write:
> > Who's Colin?
>
> DON'T ASK ..... bummer -- too late.
>
> What are you trying to do, Mel, put together your own FAQ on this?
Of course she is. Didn't you notice, Glen?
Mel's FAQ, though, will be based not on fact but on rumor, humor and innuendo.
A serious FAQ on this subject would take all of the fun out of it.
A bit like Dave Mankin's Frequently Questioned Answers. The FQA is posted
on home-ed whenever the Phonics -vs- Look/Say reading flame war erupts.
It devotes almost equal time to poking fun at all of the players in home-ed's
repetitive flame wars. It has the remarkable effect of short-circuiting some
of the more absurd flame wars.
(To Mel) You go, grrrrl.
--hmm
gl...@cruzio.com
In article <Dr213...@cruzio.com>, melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) writes:
> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>
> >pr...@cruzio.com (Steve Premo) writes:
>
> >> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Whose fault is it, anyway?
> >> >>
> >> >> Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
> >> >> take their toll.
> >>
> >> >... and Max.
> >>
> >> What about Cammie?
> >>
> >She might still be reading the flames from her account
> >on AOL, but remember that Cammie is Colin's girlfriend,
> >not mine. As long and Bach and company don't discover
> >Cammie's new AOL address she's probably not that
> >interested.
>
DON'T ASK ..... bummer -- too late.
What are you trying to do, Mel, put together your own FAQ on this?
adr...@cruzio.com
In article <Dr213...@cruzio.com>, melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) writes:
> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>
> >pr...@cruzio.com (Steve Premo) writes:
>
> >> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Whose fault is it, anyway?
> >> >>
> >> >> Dean's, Kim's, and Eric's. There are no innocents. Power and jealousy
> >> >> take their toll.
> >>
> >> >... and Max.
> >>
> >> What about Cammie?
> >>
> >She might still be reading the flames from her account
> >on AOL, but remember that Cammie is Colin's girlfriend,
> >not mine. As long and Bach and company don't discover
> >Cammie's new AOL address she's probably not that
> >interested.
>
> Who's Colin?
>
> melp...@cruzio.com
>
>
Now don't you start, man! You'll make me hurl!
J.R. Dean
Daniel Veditz <dan...@borland.com> writes:
> adr...@cruzio.com wrote:
>
> My humor has been on full-alert, hoping this has all been some
> massive joke. But, alas, typo or no there has been a complete absense
> of wit in this entire thread. Maybe you meant to say you prefer
> rapier melodrama.
>
> -Dan Veditz
Was that supposed be an example of the wit that is
lacking?
-- D.
J.R. Dean
ste...@motmot.engr.sgi.com (Paul Stevens) writes:
>
> In article <iBRiND...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>,
> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us writes:
>
> [lots of soap-opera details deleted]
>
>> ...but remember that Cammie is Colin's girlfriend,
>> not mine.
>
> You still don't seem to get it. We don't want to remember this
> nor any of the other "facts" in this twisted tail of people who
> have no clue. We are not interested. We wish you all would find
> another outlet for you juvenille frustrations.
>
Hopefully, though, not by killing each other.
Steve asked a question, so I answered him.
I do apologize, Paul. I hope my e-mail helps to
clarify things. Personally, I hope that some of
you *do* remember some of these details in case
worse comes to worse and Kim makes good on her
threats.
-- Dean
J.R. Dean
Heather Madrone <hea...@madrone.com> writes:
> Mel's FAQ, though, will be based not on fact but on rumor, humor and
> innuendo.
> A serious FAQ on this subject would take all of the fun out of it.
>
> A bit like Dave Mankin's Frequently Questioned Answers. The FQA is posted
> on home-ed whenever the Phonics -vs- Look/Say reading flame war erupts.
> It devotes almost equal time to poking fun at all of the players in home-ed's
> repetitive flame wars. It has the remarkable effect of short-circuiting some
> of the more absurd flame wars.
>
> (To Mel) You go, grrrrl.
>
Sounds like a winner. I'll write the FAQ, Mel can write the
FQA. I like the symmetry.
Go Mel, go.
-- D.
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j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us ..scruz.ucsc.edu!nocturne!jrd
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 336-0610
gl...@cruzio.com
In article <4mnrit$h...@fido.asd.sgi.com>,
>
> You still don't seem to get it. We don't want to remember this
> nor any of the other "facts" in this twisted tail of people who
> have no clue. We are not interested. We wish you all would find
> another outlet for you juvenille frustrations.
I might believe this just a bit more if the "we" would just delete
the threads. To reply to a post would indicate to me, feeble as I
am, that there must be *some* interest there. Come on -- admit it.
You sneek a glance at the tabloids in the supermarket checkout
lines, too, don't you? See. Everybody loves good gossip.
Web Head
Harrison Page (harr...@censor.com) wrote:
: This will effectively killfile all of nocturne and Dean's noise. Here's
: a list of individual accounts on nocturne:
: /jrd/f:j
: /system/f:j
: /root/f:j
: /cerastes/f:j
: /assassin/f:j
: /spidey/f:j
dude, your an ass hole.
Peter
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <4mvb9h$p...@news.scruz.net>, spi...@armory.com (Web Head) writes:
<killfile stuff>
>
That would have made this post a public service ..... or a test.
Heather Madrone
In Article<Dr7us...@cruzio.com>, <pr...@cruzio.com> write:
> melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) wrote:
> >How many people are really involved?
>
> In the great, joyous human family, we're all involved whenever one of us
> has a negative experience with another, 'cause we all L@VE each other.
This one is really, really good. I L@VE it, Steve.
Hey, Naomi, mind if I give him a great big L@VING hug?
--hmm
J.R. Dean
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <4mvb9h$p...@news.scruz.net>, spi...@armory.com (Web Head) writes:
> <killfile stuff>
> > dude, your an ass hole.
> >
>
> Now, if you could describe a hole in the ground, we could differentiate.
> That would have made this post a public service ..... or a test.
> --
I think his point was that good old Harrison was
accusing Peter of being me.
In Harrison's universe, *everyone* is me. Yep,
he's working his way right up to alt.kooks
sainthood. I've definitely got to nominate him
for Net Crank of 1996.
-- D.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us -- "The Enclave" -- +1 408 338-9754
"... so act today! Offer void were inhibited..."
Steve Premo
melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) wrote:
>Proposed FAQ questions:
>What started all this?
Party A, who's mean, was really, really awful to the nice Party B. There
are differing opinions as to the identities of Parties A and B.
>Whose fault is it, anyway?
Party A, of course.
>How many people are really involved?
In the great, joyous human family, we're all involved whenever one of us
has a negative experience with another, 'cause we all L@VE each other.
>Who is an alias for whom?
No, Who is an alias for Dean. E.E. Ferenbach is an alias for Whom.
>Who reads these messages?
You do, obviously.
>What's the deal with the restraining order?
It's either not broad enough, or too broad. Otherwise, we'd have heard the
end of it long ago, one way or the other.
>Can we revoke the restraining order, or extend it to Usenet?
Ah hell, let's restrain 'em ourselves!
>How old are these people, anyway?
Over the age of consent.
>Are there any good killfile scripts pertaining to these threads?
Yes.
Harrison Page
In article <qN8PND...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>,
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
> In Harrison's universe, *everyone* is me.
Dean, old friend, listen up here. Write this down, because this is good
advice: Your disorder, whatever it is, can still be treated, even at your
age.
Now run along, and post a huge, rambling reply that will both inform
and entertain. For extra credit, you may continue to argue with people
who have put you in their kill file. (It's always entertaining to watch
you chase that elusive Last Word.)
..Harrison
--
Harrison Page (harr...@censor.com, http://www.censor.com)
J.R. Dean
harr...@censor.com (Harrison Page) writes:
> In article <qN8PND...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>,
> j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>
> > In Harrison's universe, *everyone* is me.
>
> Dean, old friend,
Get it through your diseased mind, Beavis: I ain't
your friend. Never have been, never will be. So
it is written.
Notice that good old, friendly, hacker-Harrison
completely side-stepped the issue of his accusing
a former user at this site (spidey/Peter) of being
me? Sorry, it's not that easy...
You never will learn, will you?
-- D.
P.S. Peter, if you're reading this... I leave it
in your capable hands. You've got a good imagination.
Fuck 'em in your own, inimitable style.
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j...@nocturne.sbay.org ..scruz.ucsc.edu!nocturne!jrd
=+! Public Access Usenet BBS for Writers & Other Fiends !+=
When cruising the Infobahn, buckle-up your brain for safety
before putting mouth into gear or jerking knee into dashboard.
Get a clue, buckle up, get a life. It's the law.
J.R. Dean
To filter out articles and forged news from hacker-Harrison
and his buddies, add the following to your rn/trn kill file:
censor.com/f:j
hedgehog/f:j
alcyone.com/f:j
cafe22.com/f:j
harr...@darkside.com/f:j
harr...@west.darkside.com/f:j
harr...@wiretap.spies.com/f:j
harr...@spies.com/f:j
harr...@cname.com/f:j
harr...@netscape.com/f:j
ka...@ossi.com/f:j
-- Dean
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j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us ..scruz.ucsc.edu!nocturne!jrd
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 336-0610
adr...@cruzio.com
Ahem.
So... Steve, Mel... the FAQ is nearly finished. Do
you have the FQA ready to rock 'n roll?
Harrison Page
In article <1VBsND...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>,
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (J.R. Dean) wrote:
> Notice that good old, friendly, hacker-Harrison
> completely side-stepped the issue of his accusing
> a former user at this site (spidey/Peter) of being
> me? Sorry, it's not that easy...
No, it is Just That Easy. Some of your "users" only seem to post
when you're in a flame war with somebody. In fact, you've been
known to spell the same words wrong between accounts. Did you know
that?
> P.S. Peter, if you're reading this... I leave it
> in your capable hands. You've got a good imagination.
> Fuck 'em in your own, inimitable style.
That's the Dean I know and love: veiled threats, smear tactics, and
outright lies. What on earth is "Peter" going to "do" to me? Call
me names? Put me in one of those crazy headlocks you love bragging
about?
If you want to stalk me, I can send you a pamphlet.
..Harrison
--
Harrison Page (harr...@censor.com, http://www.censor.com)
Somewhere in Woodside, California
J.R. Dean
harr...@censor.com (Harrison Page), AKA Hacker-Harrison writes:
>
> No, it is Just That Easy. Some of your "users" only seem to post
> when you're in a flame war with somebody. In fact, you've been
> known to spell the same words wrong between accounts. Did you know
> that?
>
Wow. So, I guess that means I make the same typos
on my jrd, adrian, and system accounts? Duh.
One of the most commonly misused words I've seen
in posted articles is "your" in place of "you're,"
the contraction for "you are." Since this is so
prevalent, and, keeping in mind Harrison's neat
rule about misspellings in articles... this of
course means that Taxi and one of Harrison's hacker
buddies are one and the same, they somehow have the
time to post from hundreds of accounts around the
world, and in fact this *one person* accounts for
about 15% of all Usenet postings. <snicker>
Wow... I'm humbled before your superior logic.
Naturally, you're not about to share any of this
"evidence" with us, no no.
Orlando mailed me saying you'd said hello to me
at Orlando's bayarea.net account. I didn't get
a blow-by-blow reading of that post, but am I
to understand that you think even Orlando is
me, too? Have you ever heard of the Deja News
search service? You can look up old news articles.
Orlando has not, to my knowledge, posted to
ba.mountain-folk from that alias before this
recent post, but Orlando has certainly been
posting from bayarea.net for several months.
I'd really like to know how I'm supposed to have
found the time to post from so many accounts as
you claim, held down jobs, plus gone to the
waste of paying for yet another account with
yet another ISP? Really, I'd like to know how
it's possible to do this so I can find more time
in my busy life to do all of the things that need
to be done.
God, what a moron.
>
> That's the Dean I know and love: veiled threats, smear tactics, and
> outright lies. What on earth is "Peter" going to "do" to me? Call
> me names?
>
Peter is not a violent person. You've wrongly
accused him of being *me*, you big idiot, and
it's pretty obvious that Peter thinks you're
a big idiot, too. No, I was thinking more
along the lines of Peter and some of his friends
flaming you from two sides at once... you know,
using that tactic of which *you* are so found?
> If you want to stalk me, I can send you a pamphlet.
>
That's nice. So you've got online stalking down to
a science, have you? I thought as much...
Did you include a section in your pamphlet about
forging news articles and e-mail, breaking into commercial
sites, forging web search info in other people's names,
and using simple sounds card to alter your voice to
obscure your identity in crank phone calls?
You amateur... you and your "hacker" buddies leave
a trail a mile wide. Did you know that?
It's only a matter of time before your stunts land
you and your buddies in jail.
-- Dean
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j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us ..scruz.ucsc.edu!nocturne!jrd
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 336-0610
=+! Public Access Usenet BBS for Writers & Other Fiends !+=
"I have promised to make life difficult
for Dean, given the opportunity."
-- Harrison Page
Harrison Page
In article <960512.192408...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us>,
j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us (Dean Edward Stark) wrote:
> harr...@censor.com (Harrison Page) writes:
>
> > No, it is Just That Easy. Some of your "users" only seem to post
> > when you're in a flame war with somebody. In fact, you've been
> > known to spell the same words wrong between accounts. Did you know
> > that?
>
> Naturally, you're not about to share any of this
> "evidence" with us, no no.
Why don't you grep through your little archives for the word "scorpian"?
You have managed to spell this word wrong constantly between your fake
accounts.
> [ .. snip .. ]
> forging news articles and e-mail, breaking into commercial
> sites, forging web search info in other people's names,
> and using simple sounds card to alter your voice to
> obscure your identity in crank phone calls?
You are a liar, Dean Stark.
Heather Madrone
In Article<Dr7vF...@cruzio.com>, <adr...@cruzio.com> write:
> Ahem.
>
> So... Steve, Mel... the FAQ is nearly finished. Do
> you have the FQA ready to rock 'n roll?
The FQA was Mel's project and her brother had nothing to do with it.
(Nor, he assures me, does he have anything to do with the inception of
Zeebo.)
However, I sent Mel some email on Monday and haven't heard a thing since.
This leads me to suspect that the overdue Zeebo has finally decided to make
an appearance.
Mel is perhaps a little busy at the moment.
--hmm
J.R. Dean
In article <NEWTNews.8322680...@madrone.com>, hea...@madrone.com
says...
Steve made a comment or two on the FQA, so I wasn't
sure.
God speed, Mel. Houston, we have liftoff...
-- Dean
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <harrison-150...@wetwork.censor.com>,
<WSHEW!> I guess *that* tells him! Boy oh, boy. Let's see
if our resident writer has a comeback for *that* post. I
am pretty sure that I'd be shaking in my boots and hiding
under my bed after a shot like that.
That should pretty much put this thread to rest, folks.
Yah, I'm sure now, that we've seen the last of the Dean,
Taxi, Harrison, ..... wars on this newsgroup.
I can finally sleep again.
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <NEWTNews.8322680...@madrone.com>,
>
> In Article<Dr7vF...@cruzio.com>, <adr...@cruzio.com> write:
> > So... Steve, Mel... the FAQ is nearly finished. Do
> > you have the FQA ready to rock 'n roll?
>
> The FQA was Mel's project and her brother had nothing to do with it.
>
Uh, oh. Do you think that it is possible that some of the parties
involved in this found out where she lives and .... naaaaa. They
wouldn't be that cruel, would they?
Just when I thought that it was all over, it starts getting
curiouser and curiouser.
adr...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <DrILu...@cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <harrison-150...@wetwork.censor.com>,
> harr...@censor.com (Harrison Page) writes:
> >
> > You are a liar, Dean Stark.
>
> <WSHEW!> I guess *that* tells him! Boy oh, boy. Let's see
> if our resident writer has a comeback for *that* post. I
> am pretty sure that I'd be shaking in my boots and hiding
> under my bed after a shot like that.
That's pretty funny, Glen. That's very close to what
I said in reply to "Hacker-Harrison." (Notice it took
him about two days to formulate his devestating attack?)
"Scorpians"? Hoo, boy...
>
> That should pretty much put this thread to rest, folks.
> Yah, I'm sure now, that we've seen the last of the Dean,
> Taxi, Harrison, ..... wars on this newsgroup.
>
> I can finally sleep again.
Well, almost. scruz.ucsc.edu seems to be having
news delivery problems. UUCP sites connected to
scruz are seeing lots of error messages after
news batchs are delivered to scruz. It's been
pretty usual the past couple of weeks for posts
from nocturne to be delayed by a day or two to
sites like cruzio. You'll see my reply soon
enough.
Yeah, I'm quakin'...
-- Dean
"Hep me... sumbudah hep me...." -- David Letterman
adr...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <DrIM1...@cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <NEWTNews.8322680...@madrone.com>,
> Heather Madrone <hea...@madrone.com> writes:
> >
> > In Article<Dr7vF...@cruzio.com>, <adr...@cruzio.com> write:
> > > So... Steve, Mel... the FAQ is nearly finished. Do
> > > you have the FQA ready to rock 'n roll?
> >
> > The FQA was Mel's project and her brother had nothing to do with it.
> >
> > However, I sent Mel some email on Monday and haven't heard a thing since.
>
> Uh, oh. Do you think that it is possible that some of the parties
> involved in this found out where she lives and .... naaaaa. They
> wouldn't be that cruel, would they?
>
> Just when I thought that it was all over, it starts getting
> curiouser and curiouser.
Not me, man. I like Mel. I'll put up anything she cares
to include in her Frequently Quentioned Answers.
-- Dean
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <DrIoy...@cruzio.com>, adr...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <DrIM1...@cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> >
> > Uh, oh. Do you think that it is possible that some of the parties
> > involved in this found out where she lives and .... naaaaa. They
> > wouldn't be that cruel, would they?
> >
> > Just when I thought that it was all over, it starts getting
> > curiouser and curiouser.
>
> Not me, man. I like Mel. I'll put up anything she cares
> to include in her Frequently Quentioned Answers.
say so and I buy in. This is *so* kool!
What *I want to know is which side had something to do with
the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa?
J.R. Dean
harr...@censor.com ("Hacker" Harrison Page) writes:
> Why don't you grep through your little archives for the word "scorpian"?
> You have managed to spell this word wrong constantly between your fake
> accounts.
>
"Scorpian?" It's spelled with an "o." I don't recall
posting about scorpions in more than one post, so I
doubt if I posted more than one sentence on the subject.
Wow, you must have grepped *real hard* to find that
one word, huh? Yeah, right. That's pretty ancient.
Convenient, isn't it, that this thread you've mentioned
is so old that it's no longer archived at Deja News?
Why don't you just tattoo it on your butt and run your-
self up a flagpole to save us all the trouble of "grepping"
like big, bad Hacker Harrison likes to do? Move over,
Kibo, here comes Harrison, he's discovered grep!
Your entertainment value is growing with each post.
>> [ .. snip .. ]
>> forging news articles and e-mail, breaking into commercial
>> sites, forging web search info in other people's names,
>> and using simple sounds card to alter your voice to
>> obscure your identity in crank phone calls?
>
> You are a liar, Dean Stark.
How many days did it take you to dream up this mortally
wounding retort?
Oh, really? So I guess the Halcyon user who was hacked
is lying, too, and the Halcyon admin who sent me the telnet
logs excerpt is lying, as well... not to mention the
lies of those nefarious magnetic fields on my answering
machine tapes and the voice-mail tapes from work...
You're destroying my faith in humanity and technology.
Oh, the pain, the pain... oh, crepe... suzette....
-- D.
"You like me... you *really* like me!"
-- Sally Field
J.R. Dean
In article <DrIvK...@cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com says...
>
>
>What *I want to know is which side had something to do with
>the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa?
>--
Well... those years are kind of hazy to me... the black-outs,
you know... but I do remember, later, moving a block of cement
with a boney toe sticking out it into the foundation of the
new theatre 'plex sometime last year...
-- Guido
"Does getting into Zappa mean getting out of Zen?"
-- Creme and Godley
Michael Bender
J.R. Dean (j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us) wrote:
: harr...@censor.com ("Hacker" Harrison Page) writes:
: > Why don't you grep through your little archives for the word "scorpian"?
: > You have managed to spell this word wrong constantly between your fake
: > accounts.
: Why don't you just tattoo it on your butt and run your-
: self up a flagpole to save us all the trouble of "grepping"
: like big, bad Hacker Harrison likes to do? Move over,
: Kibo, here comes Harrison, he's discovered grep!
Can you PLEASE take this out of ba.mountain-folk! I don't give a damn if
Dean, Max, Kim, Kibo, Harrison and whoever else want to go to some field and
duel to the death with grep and "scorpians" and innuendoes, but this has
gone on way too long in this group.
In my mind, you are all psychotic bastards that have nothing better to do
than to keep this idiotic exchange going. Why don't all all try doing
something useful with your lives instead of accusing each other of all this
crap?
Just accept the fact that you're all liars and are all being put upon by
everyone else and you'll all eventually wind up miserable and lonely and let
the rest of us in peace.
mike
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J.R. Dean
adr...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> Well, almost. scruz.ucsc.edu seems to be having
> news delivery problems. UUCP sites connected to
> scruz are seeing lots of error messages after
> news batchs are delivered to scruz. It's been
> pretty usual the past couple of weeks for posts
> from nocturne to be delayed by a day or two to
> sites like cruzio. You'll see my reply soon
> enough.
>
Jeff Liebermann investigated the problem and found
that since I'd sent the news batch through cichlid
it was unavoidably delayed when PG&E service was
interrupted. So, that part of the mystery is solved.
Thanks to Jeff for looking into this.
However, the batches through cichlid are redundant;
my primary scruz.* news connection is still through
scruz.ucsc.edu. When I noticed delays, I added the
duplicates to the cichlid feed as backup. The messages
through scruz never appeared, but those would have been
dropped on the floor because of the batch previously
delivered by cichlid, anyway, which is exactly what
*should* happen.
Still don't know the cause of the scruz delay... Jeff
is on the case....
-- Dean
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"Ninety percent of [comp. users] use DOS.
I'd rather tell them to do drugs."
-- Scott McNealy, CEO, Sun Microsystems
Jeff Liebermann
adr...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
[drivel deleted...]
: Well, almost. scruz.ucsc.edu seems to be having
: news delivery problems.
Wrong. darkstar.ucsc.edu, also known as the UCSC news server
is over subscribed with far too many NNTP connections. Although
scruz.ucsc.edu is 3 feet from darkstar, it can't compete with
all the other machines and gives up with a connect error message.
scruz.ucsc.edu does NOT run news software or spool news locally.
Instead it transfers the scruz.* newsgroup news via tcp/ip
directly when you poll the system. If you happen to call when
darkstar is busy, scruz fails to grab the news, and you get an
error message. Nothing outgoing is lost because nothing has
happened (exept a connect failure). Incomeing news is spooled
on scruz.ucsc.edu until a connection to darkstar is available.
Methinks the retry time is about 10 minutes. Try to ignore the
error messages.
: It's been
: pretty usual the past couple of weeks for posts
: from nocturne to be delayed by a day or two to
: sites like cruzio.
The sample message you sent me was delayed 2 days because
your news posting did not go via scruz.ucsc.edu. It went
via cichlid.com which was down all day thurday because of lack
of power due to the storm. Cichlid only has a 28.8 connection
to scruz.net but gets almost a full newsfeed. If it goes down
for one day, it takes several days to catch up. Your posting
appeared on comix this morning at about 9am. Not great, but
tolerable.
I'm not sure what to do about the error messages. I can
make them go away with something like:
whatever 2> /dev/null
but that will eat all error messages. I can ignore it because
scruz.ucsc.edu will be going away some time in June (John, Jon,
and Jeff are current working on a replacement). Dunno...
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gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <4nip3j$e...@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM>,
>
> Can you PLEASE take this out of ba.mountain-folk! I don't give a damn if
> Dean, Max, Kim, Kibo, Harrison and whoever else want to go to some field and
> duel to the death with grep and "scorpians" and innuendoes, but this has
> gone on way too long in this group.
>
> In my mind, you are all psychotic bastards that have nothing better to do
> than to keep this idiotic exchange going. Why don't all all try doing
> something useful with your lives instead of accusing each other of all this
> crap?
>
> Just accept the fact that you're all liars and are all being put upon by
> everyone else and you'll all eventually wind up miserable and lonely and let
> the rest of us in peace.
What? You lack a sense of humor or are not interested in pure
entertainment?
J.R. Dean
In article <4njmt1$s...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>, je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
(Jeff Liebermann) wrote:
>adr...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
>[drivel deleted...]
>
Drivel?
>: Well, almost. scruz.ucsc.edu seems to be having
>: news delivery problems.
>
>Wrong. darkstar.ucsc.edu, also known as the UCSC news server
>is over subscribed with far too many NNTP connections.
Well, certainly, Jeff, if one wishes to be nit-picky about
the actually connection setup. Yes, I knew that scruz
does *not* run news software. I can tell that much
from some of the error messages over the years.
For a site sending news through scruz, however, it's
not so incorrect to say that there's a "problem" at
scruz with news delivery if it passes batches to darkstar
and on to the greater outback. The batch never got
to darkstar, ergo it was not delivered. I didn't specify
the actual mechanism for that failure.
Your ministrations and counsel are appreciated, though,
and the help of the others, as well (Jon, John, et al).
This tangent of that other thread began as an answer
to one person having news problems, specifically
problems seeing scruznet.general articles. That appears
to have been the fault of the newsreading software, but at
the same time I'd noticed news was taking a long time to
appear at other sites, and vice versa. No big thing.
-- Dean
Michael Bender
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
: In article <4nip3j$e...@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM>,
: >
: > Can you PLEASE take this out of ba.mountain-folk! I don't give a damn if
: > Dean, Max, Kim, Kibo, Harrison and whoever else want to go to some field and
: > duel to the death with grep and "scorpians" and innuendoes, but this has
: > gone on way too long in this group.
: >
: > In my mind, you are all psychotic bastards that have nothing better to do
: > than to keep this idiotic exchange going. Why don't all all try doing
: > something useful with your lives instead of accusing each other of all this
: > crap?
: >
: > Just accept the fact that you're all liars and are all being put upon by
: > everyone else and you'll all eventually wind up miserable and lonely and let
: > the rest of us in peace.
: What? You lack a sense of humor or are not interested in pure
: entertainment?
This stuff was very funny the first time it came around several years ago.
Then is was still funny the second time it came around about 6 months after
that. Then the THIRD time it came around 8 months later it was sort-of funny.
In this, probably the TENTH or so iteration, it's just tiresome. Both sides
say the same things everytime this comes up. I can go to the archives for
ba.mountain-folk and scruz.slv if I want "funny" on this topic.
System Ghoul
bender@doemain (Michael Bender) writes:
>
> : What? You lack a sense of humor or are not interested in pure
> : entertainment?
>
> This stuff was very funny the first time it came around several years ago.
> Then is was still funny the second time it came around about 6 months after
> that. Then the THIRD time it came around 8 months later it was sort-of funny.
> In this, probably the TENTH or so iteration, it's just tiresome. Both sides
> say the same things everytime this comes up. I can go to the archives for
> ba.mountain-folk and scruz.slv if I want "funny" on this topic.
>
> mike
>
Oh, bullshit, Mike. This did not "come around" several
years ago but began only last year!
Remember when we met in person and I warned you about
certain idiots who liked to stalk me on the Net? I
mentioned at the time that they had not begun posting
as part of this stalking (e-mail was their on-line tool
of choice back then), but that it was only a matter of
time. I can dig out your mail to check the date, but
that was just last year!
-- D.
Web Head
J.R. Dean (j...@nocturne.boulder-creek.ca.us) wrote:
: P.S. Peter, if you're reading this... I leave it
: in your capable hands. You've got a good imagination.
: Fuck 'em in your own, inimitable style.
no thank you. hes not my type.
Peter