TAKE ACTION: NOAH'S BAGELS NOT KOSHER
rdc
As you may know, most Noah's Bagels are now NO LONGER KOSHER.
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The local Noah's Bagels in Marin County, where I live, become
non-kosher tomorrow.
There will now be no kosher restaurants within a half-hour driving distance.
I urge you to call the Noah's and let them know how upset you are (you
are VERY upset!). They will take report down. It's quick and it's
painless and it lets your voice be heard.
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Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp (Nasdaq : ENBX)
(303) 215-9300
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Noah's Bagels has sold out. They built their customer base up on
being authenticly Jewish and Strictly Kosher, and now they're pulling
the rug out from under us!
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Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp (Nasdaq : ENBX)
14123 Denver West Parkway
Golden, CO 80401
(303) 215-9300
Officers: Jeffrey L. Butler, Pres.
Scott A. Beck, Chmn.
Robert M. Hartnett, CEO
W. Eric Carlborg, CFO
Susan E. Daggett, VP/Contr.
Paul A. Strasen, Sr. VP/Counsel.
While you're at it, call Boston Chicken, which owns 51% of Noah's:
(303) 278-9500
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In article <6iaver$jui$1...@shell7.ba.best.com>, r...@best.com (rdc) wrote:
Have any of those Odwalla drinks they sell in there ever been kosher?
af
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rdc
As you may know, most Noah's Bagels are now NO LONGER KOSHER.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Noah's Bagels has sold out. They built their customer base up on
being authenticly Jewish and Strictly Kosher, and now they're pulling
the rug out from under us!
I urge you to call the Noah's and let them know how upset you are (you
are VERY upset!). They will take report down. It's quick and it's
painless and it lets your voice be heard.
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Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp
(800) 931-6624
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"I'm just calling to let you know that I'm very upset that you that
most Noah's Bagels are now no longer kosher. I will no longer go to
your Noah's Bagels. Thank you. Good-bye."
Gareth
rdc wrote:
>
> As you may know, most Noah's Bagels are now NO LONGER KOSHER.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Noah's Bagels has sold out. They built their customer base up on
> being authenticly Jewish and Strictly Kosher, and now they're pulling
> the rug out from under us!
>
> I urge you to call the Noah's and let them know how upset you are (you
> are VERY upset!). They will take report down. It's quick and it's
> painless and it lets your voice be heard.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp
>
Quite frankly, I can't be bothered. Buy your bagels elsewhere if keeping
kosher is that important to you. It's not as if they just got sponsored
by Ayran Nations or anything. You're not exactly stuck for choice in the
Bay Area for kosher bagels are you ?
"Most" Noah's bagels are not kosher ? Which one's. The round ones ?
How silly.
Gareth.
rdc
Allen Furst <afur...@beckman.com> wrote:
>Have any of those Odwalla drinks they sell in there ever been kosher?
Yes, the Noah's of Northern California have been under strictly kosher.
No more. Complain!
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Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp (Nasdaq : ENBX)
(800) 931-6624
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rdc
Gareth <gho...@preftech.com> wrote:
>rdc wrote:
>
>You're not exactly stuck for choice in the Bay Area for kosher bagels
>are you ?
Short of an hour shlep back and forth into San Francisco, for Israeli
food, we have no access to a kosher restaurant in Marin. Noah's was a 5
minute drive.
Now I can't meet with clients or co-workers for lunch.
Would it kill you to let Noah's know that many people are very upset by this.
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Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp (Nasdaq : ENBX)
(800) 931-6624
"I am very upset that most Noah's are no longer kosher! Thank you."
Dan Berkes
> Allen Furst <afur...@beckman.com> wrote:
> >Have any of those Odwalla drinks they sell in there ever been kosher?
>
> Yes, the Noah's of Northern California have been under strictly kosher.
> No more.
Has it always been that way? I thought it was individual stores, not the
entire chain. For example, the Noah's by Transbay Terminal used to
advertise itself as Kosher, but the one on Battery, near Market, never
did. At least I don't recall seeing any signs stating it was.
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rdc
Dan Berkes <dbe...@wyrm.supernews.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the Noah's of Northern California have been under strictly kosher.
>> No more.
>
>Has it always been that way? I thought it was individual stores, not the
>entire chain.
The *whole* chain used to be. Southern California went non-kosher, and
now only a few will be kosher. I believe that all of N. Cal was
always kosher up until now.
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I urge you to call the Noah's and let them know how
upset you are (you are VERY upset!). They will take report down.
It's quick and it's painless and it lets your voice be heard.
Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp
(800) 931-6624
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stare master
In article <6idhs9$iep$1...@shell7.ba.best.com>, rdc <r...@best.com> wrote:
>Would it kill you to let Noah's know that many people are very upset by this.
YOU'RE upset. Where are the "people" that are upset?
BTW, ba.israelis, ba.misc, and ba.news are no longer valid newsgroups,
as per my recent checkgroups. Followups set accordingly.
rone
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dke...@best.com
In article <rone.FriMay1162...@ennui.org>,
stare master <rone+...@ennui.org> wrote:
>In article <6idhs9$iep$1...@shell7.ba.best.com>, rdc <r...@best.com> wrote:
>>Would it kill you to let Noah's know that many people are very upset by this.
>
>YOU'RE upset. Where are the "people" that are upset?
I am.
But it's not going to change my purchasing habits because
I don't go to Noah's anyway, despite it being on the first
floor of my apartment building.
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Susan Krauss
On Fri, 01 May 1998 13:05:47 -0700, Gareth <gho...@preftech.com>
wrote:
>Quite frankly, I can't be bothered. Buy your bagels elsewhere if keeping
>kosher is that important to you. It's not as if they just got sponsored
>Bay Area for kosher bagels are you ?
>How silly.
Actually it can be very difficult to find kosher food in the bay area.
The Noah's announcement is that only 10 Noah's in this area will
remain kosher. They tried to pick 10 centrally located stores so
folks would "only" have to drive 40-60 minutes to get to one but
that's can still present a hardship for people. At the stores which
are not kosher, while the dough will be kosher, once it arrives at the
store and is cooked in the same ovens as cheese bread and non-kosher
items, the bagels will not be kosher any longer.
It's a business decision and their right, but I certainly disagree
that someone is "silly" if they are upset about this decision and the
profund impact it will have for many people.
susan
skr...@hooked.net
dx
I'm curious why this is posted under the heading "No Jews Allowed"? Is it
your position that Jews who do not keep a Kosher diet are not Jews?
I think you'd be surprised at the large percentage of Noah's customers -
those of us who started patronizing them at their very first store - who
really don't care whether or not their goods are kosher.
-dx
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Michael C. Berch
Your subject line is incorrect and offensive. You are incorrectly asserting
that Noah's somehow refuses to serve Jews or some similar claptrap, when in
fact the only Jews who are affected by this are a tiny majority of Orthodox
Jews who observe kashrut. As a Jew who does not keep kosher, I resent your
implication that I am therefore less of a Jew for that reason.
I will contact Noah's on the 800 number you provide, to let them know that
their establishment is being libelously characterized as anti-Semitic by
a religious extremist, and happily forward them a copy of your "NO JEWS
ALLOWED" posting.
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In a recent message r...@best.com (rdc) tells us:
>
>Would it kill you to let Noah's know that many people are very upset by this.
No, but it would be a lie - it seems as if only one person (you) is
upset by this.
I suppose we could all call and truthfully tell them that you are upset
by this.
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In article <afurstXX-ya0240800...@news.concentric.net>,
afur...@beckman.com (Allen Furst) wrote:
>In article <6iaver$jui$1...@shell7.ba.best.com>, r...@best.com (rdc) wrote:
>Have any of those Odwalla drinks they sell in there ever been kosher?
>af
>
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yes they are. they did not sell anything not kosher until yesterday
HoopNation
r...@best.com wrote:
>I urge you to call the Noah's and let them know how upset you are (you
>are VERY upset!).
I am? Wow.
OK then, can you tell me what I'm thinking right now?
David de la Fuente
HoopN...@aol.com
Wang8759
Thanks to the original poster for an enlightening if depressing exchange. I
will happily call the number to protest the dimunition of choice. I, too, like
to have Kosher as an option. No, I'm not Jewish.
And don't let the Yahoos get you down!
junk...@carasso.com
Noah's Bagels *ALL* _used_ to be kosher. Then Southern California went non-
kosher. Now *ALL* Noah's are non-kosher, with the exception of a few.
Noah's Bagels has sold out. They built their customer base up on
being authenticly Jewish and Strictly Kosher, and now they're pulling the rug
out from under us!
I urge you to call the Noah's and let them know how upset you. They will
take report down. It's quick and it's painless and it lets your voice be
heard.
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Einstein/Noah Bagel Corp
(800) 931-6624
"I am very upset that most of your stores will no longer be kosher."
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Allen Furst
Lost in the considerable hyperbole of this thread has been any discussion
of *why* Noah's is discontinuing their kosher status. Is it cost?
Unavailability of some ingredient? Antisemitism? And what is it that will
change, precisely? Will meat and dairy be mixed? Will the food continue to
be prepared in a kosher manner, but without the expense of a rabbinical
imprimatur? In short, are we just angry around here, or do we have any
actual information?
dke...@best.com
In article <afurstXX-ya0240800...@news.concentric.net>,
Allen Furst <afur...@beckman.com> wrote:
>Lost in the considerable hyperbole of this thread has been any discussion
>of *why* Noah's is discontinuing their kosher status. Is it cost?
>Unavailability of some ingredient? Antisemitism? And what is it that will
>change, precisely? Will meat and dairy be mixed? Will the food continue to
>be prepared in a kosher manner, but without the expense of a rabbinical
>imprimatur? In short, are we just angry around here, or do we have any
>actual information?
Noah's is adding cheesy poofs to the menu and
will bake them in the same oven they used for
the bagels. The cheese is not kosher.
Allen Furst
Really? This sort of amazes me. I don't give a damn about kosher, myself,
but this seems like a weak reason to piss off the religious jews who depend
on kosher. Someone must have done market research and determined that they
are outnumbered by the cheese poof eaters. We seem to be witnessing menu
expansion, McDonald's style, from McNoah's. Presumably the Izzy's of the
world will find it more difficult to compete against poofs.
I assume it all boils down to cost, since kosher cheeses must be available.
af
In article <6inors$3l4$1...@shell9.ba.best.com>, dke...@netcom.com wrote:
> Noah's is adding cheesy poofs to the menu and
> will bake them in the same oven they used for
> the bagels. The cheese is not kosher.
>
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Susan Krauss
On 05 May 1998 15:04:50 EDT, afur...@beckman.com (Allen Furst) wrote:
>Lost in the considerable hyperbole of this thread has been any discussion
>of *why* Noah's is discontinuing their kosher status. Is it cost?
>Unavailability of some ingredient? Antisemitism? And what is it that will
>change, precisely? Will meat and dairy be mixed? Will the food continue to
>be prepared in a kosher manner, but without the expense of a rabbinical
>imprimatur? In short, are we just angry around here, or do we have any
>actual information?
Noah's has said it's because their "clients" have requested more menu
items - deli meats, cheese bread etc. and these items will not be
kosher so nothing in the store is condisered kosher. The articles
also say that if Noah's adds deli meats then the Rabbis won't certify
it as kosher because dairy and meat will be served in the same store.
I guess they figure there are lot more non-Jews to sell to then
observant Jews who won't shop there any more.
Check out http://www.shamash.org/jb/bk971031/usnoah.htm (and
http://www.shamash.org/jb/bk971017/1noah.htm the Jewish Bulletin of
Northern California for more details).
susan
skr...@hooked.net
dke...@best.com
In article <3551df7d...@news.hooked.net>,
Susan Krauss <skr...@hooked.net> wrote:
>
>I guess they figure there are lot more non-Jews to sell to then
>observant Jews who won't shop there any more.
And as much as I hate the loss of an option, if not
the only option, for observant Jews, it's hard to
argue with this logic.
It's very difficult to run a business to cater to
a minority point of view. Kosher restaurants would
be a lot more viable if the Jews in the bay area
all lived in one neighborhood rather than being spread
out all over the place as we are.
Glenn Tenney KOTJ
In article <6istm4$dae$1...@shell9.ba.best.com>, dke...@netcom.com wrote:
> It's very difficult to run a business to cater to
> a minority point of view. Kosher restaurants would
> be a lot more viable if the Jews in the bay area
> all lived in one neighborhood rather than being spread
> out all over the place as we are.
I believe that the essence of the problem is not whether or not Noah's can
do this, nor whether or not Kosher places would be more viable, nor
whether what they sell are even bagels (they're not, they're just rolls
with a hole in the middle since they're not boiled, but that's a different
flame fest), etc.
The real problem is that Noah's started and built their reputation and
business by being a place to buy a certain type and genre of food with a
specific ambiance. When the MBAs took over, this all changed... Now,
Noah's will be like any other store selling a huge variety of things to
eat --- one of which happens to be round and have a hole in the middle.
Noah's has forsaken their very essence and what got them to where they are
today -- and that did include being Kosher. This affects ALL of their
past clientele, not just those who kept Kosher, for it destroys that bond
to the image they carefully developed.
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See ye here, ten...@org.think (Glenn Tenney KOTJ) crafted the following words:
>Noah's has forsaken their very essence and what got them to where they are
>today -- and that did include being Kosher. This affects ALL of their
>past clientele, not just those who kept Kosher, for it destroys that bond
>to the image they carefully developed.
Says you. Many of us *like* what Noah's sells and plans to sell, and really
don't care about it's Kosher roots.
The only problem is that there aren't enough people who *do* care about eating
Kosher that they aren't a big enough population to support many stores,
nevermind supporting a chain of stores. If they really want more Kosher stores,
then they need to find a way for that type of establishment to support itself on
the small and scattered population that does exist, or they need to find a way
to market Kosher *foods* (not the idea of keeping Kosher, but the foods that one
can not usually find in non-Kosher establishments) to the non-Kosher public, so
that the stores can cater to both crowds.
jc
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See ye here, cauce....@vo.cnchost.com crafted the following words:
>See ye here, ten...@org.think (Glenn Tenney KOTJ) crafted the following words:
>
>>Noah's has forsaken their very essence and what got them to where they are
>>today -- and that did include being Kosher. This affects ALL of their
>>past clientele, not just those who kept Kosher, for it destroys that bond
>>to the image they carefully developed.
Update: I bought some bagels at Noah's in Sunnyvale on Sunday, and they have a
stand full of little cards saying "Was everything Kosher?", which have a reply
form you can fill in and mail or drop off with your comments about their
store/service/products.
I found the title funny, in light of this thread that they are in fact going
"non-Kosher" in many of their stores! :-)
Kathy Lumibao
Hey ba. food,
I worked at Noah's for almost 4 years, and you're right. When I left
the plans were to go totaly non-kosher. We're talking beef, chicken,
pork ect... Ever since Noah himself sold the company, it's gone down
hill and will continue to. The bagels aren't even real anymore. They're
made back east and shiped frozen. They come out as rocks. I was really
sorry to see a company go from Great to such a mess. I use to take pride
being there but, not now. I guess that's why I left.