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sms
May 12, 2014, 12:04:19 PM5/12/14
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Sad news. <http://www.restockit.com/2014-march-cascade.html>
I have about one year's supply, but then I'll have to make my own
dishwasher detergent. None of the presently available commercial
formulas I've tried work well. Finish has also dropped their "Glass
Magic" booster, which was essentially phosphates
<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UCI09G>.
The homemade formula that appears to be the de-facto standard is this:
sodium carbonate
sodium tetraborate
trisodium phosphate
citric acid
sodium chloride
pentasodium triphosphate
which in layman's terms, with quantities by weight is:
55 ounces Washing Soda/Soda Ash
76 ounces Borax
11 ounces Savogran Trisodium Phosphate
4 ounces citric acid
64 ounces canning salt
16 ounces Vaseline Intensive Care Moisturizing Bath Beads
The citric acid is available from Amazon, the rest of the ingredients
are available at your friendly Walmart or Home Depot.
I have about one year's supply, but then I'll have to make my own
dishwasher detergent. None of the presently available commercial
formulas I've tried work well. Finish has also dropped their "Glass
Magic" booster, which was essentially phosphates
<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UCI09G>.
The homemade formula that appears to be the de-facto standard is this:
sodium carbonate
sodium tetraborate
trisodium phosphate
citric acid
sodium chloride
pentasodium triphosphate
which in layman's terms, with quantities by weight is:
55 ounces Washing Soda/Soda Ash
76 ounces Borax
11 ounces Savogran Trisodium Phosphate
4 ounces citric acid
64 ounces canning salt
16 ounces Vaseline Intensive Care Moisturizing Bath Beads
The citric acid is available from Amazon, the rest of the ingredients
are available at your friendly Walmart or Home Depot.
David Arnstein
May 12, 2014, 1:14:42 PM5/12/14
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Sad. I will try blending pure TSP with whatever powder I can find at
Safeway.
Is there a dishwasher that functions properly when charged with the
powders on sale today? My GE machine certainly does not.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
Safeway.
Is there a dishwasher that functions properly when charged with the
powders on sale today? My GE machine certainly does not.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
Peter Lawrence
May 12, 2014, 1:41:20 PM5/12/14
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On 5/12/14, 10:14 AM, David Arnstein wrote:
>
> Is there a dishwasher that functions properly when charged with the
> powders on sale today? My GE machine certainly does not.
My KitchenAid Superba does fine with the liquid Cascade sold at Costco along
>
> Is there a dishwasher that functions properly when charged with the
> powders on sale today? My GE machine certainly does not.
with Finish's Jet-Dry added to its dispenser. I don't even "pre-wash" or
"pre-scrub" my dirty dishes by hand before placing them inside the dishwasher.
I use the KitchenAid's heavy-duty setting with the "High-temp Scrub" option
turned on.
Works every time. Dishes come out squeaky clean and spotless.
- Peter
sms
May 12, 2014, 2:13:24 PM5/12/14
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On 5/12/2014 10:14 AM, David Arnstein wrote:
> Sad. I will try blending pure TSP with whatever powder I can find at
> Safeway.
>
> Is there a dishwasher that functions properly when charged with the
> powders on sale today? My GE machine certainly does not.
Not the powders (or liquids) on sale in the store.
> Sad. I will try blending pure TSP with whatever powder I can find at
> Safeway.
>
> Is there a dishwasher that functions properly when charged with the
> powders on sale today? My GE machine certainly does not.
You can still buy Bubble Bandit online <http://www.bubblebandit.com/>
but it's rather expensive. Actually if you buy 50 pounds it's not too
bad, about $3/pound.
To make it yourself is about $1.25/pound. I really don't want another
project, but once I'm mixing in TSP I may as well do the whole thing
from scratch.
Supposedly the homemade stuff is more concentrated so you can use less
per load.
Steve Pope
May 14, 2014, 1:32:49 AM5/14/14
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sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>Sad news. <http://www.restockit.com/2014-march-cascade.html>
>I have about one year's supply, but then I'll have to make my own
>dishwasher detergent. None of the presently available commercial
>formulas I've tried work well.
I noticed that my (recently purchased) Miele dishwasher works
>Sad news. <http://www.restockit.com/2014-march-cascade.html>
>I have about one year's supply, but then I'll have to make my own
>dishwasher detergent. None of the presently available commercial
>formulas I've tried work well.
well with the box of Miele dishwashwer cubes that came with it.
Once that runs out, I'll probably buy some Country Save detergent
and try that, but a box of Meile cubes in only $35 on Amazon.
Steve
sms
May 14, 2014, 2:43:13 PM5/14/14
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The issue with phosphates is that if waste water is untreated, i.e. for
those using a septic tank, they are a pollutant that gets into the
groundwater. But water treatment plants remove phosphates as part of the
water treatment before putting into percolation ponds. The issue is the
expense of removing the phosphates so it's good to minimize the use of
phosphates, i.e. not use them in laundry detergent. I use a phosphate
remover for my swimming pool and it's expensive as well as being a bit
of a hassle to use.
Steve Pope
May 14, 2014, 3:04:12 PM5/14/14
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sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>I did not see any dishwasher detergent on the Country Save web site.
It's still on Amazon, but your observation suggests it may have
>I did not see any dishwasher detergent on the Country Save web site.
been discontinued.
Steve
Julian Macassey
May 14, 2014, 5:53:58 PM5/14/14
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It is used as a feriliser. As run-off to rivers and the sea it causes
algal blooms and die-off. This is a problem in the Adriatic, Mexican
Gulf, and the coast of Oergon.
If you run your dishwasher waste water into your veggies,
they should grow well. But phosphates should not be in the
groundwater, this is a problem in the Netherlands.
--
"We can’t be successful unless we lie to customers.” Larry
Ellison to Bruce Scott.
sms
May 14, 2014, 7:05:15 PM5/14/14
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On 5/14/2014 2:53 PM, Julian Macassey wrote:
<snip>
> If you run your dishwasher waste water into your veggies,
> they should grow well. But phosphates should not be in the
> groundwater, this is a problem in the Netherlands.
In Florida too. And even where I am, when I fill my pool the phosphate
level is not 0 ppm, it's about 200 ppm. If you keep the pool water
phosphate at 0 ppm you can use less chlorine and run the pump less
hours. The other pool "secret" is to add 50 ppm of borate to the water.
Pool stores sell borate in various formulas but 20 Mule Team Borax works
just fine. It raises the ph so you also have to add more acid.
<snip>
> If you run your dishwasher waste water into your veggies,
> they should grow well. But phosphates should not be in the
> groundwater, this is a problem in the Netherlands.
level is not 0 ppm, it's about 200 ppm. If you keep the pool water
phosphate at 0 ppm you can use less chlorine and run the pump less
hours. The other pool "secret" is to add 50 ppm of borate to the water.
Pool stores sell borate in various formulas but 20 Mule Team Borax works
just fine. It raises the ph so you also have to add more acid.
sms
Oct 31, 2014, 12:12:17 PM10/31/14
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On 5/12/2014 9:04 AM, sms wrote:
> Sad news. <http://www.restockit.com/2014-march-cascade.html>
>
> I have about one year's supply, but then I'll have to make my own
> dishwasher detergent. None of the presently available commercial
> formulas I've tried work well. Finish has also dropped their "Glass
> Magic" booster, which was essentially phosphates
> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UCI09G>.
<snip>
> Sad news. <http://www.restockit.com/2014-march-cascade.html>
>
> I have about one year's supply, but then I'll have to make my own
> dishwasher detergent. None of the presently available commercial
> formulas I've tried work well. Finish has also dropped their "Glass
> Magic" booster, which was essentially phosphates
> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UCI09G>.
Cascade with Phosphates is back, relabeled as "Cascade Fryer Boil Out."
It has the same ingredient list as the old Cascade dishwasher detergent,
though since the percentages aren't listed there's no way of knowing if
it's exactly the same.
And of course the price went way up!
<http://www.restockit.com/cascade-with-phosphates-professional-fryer-boil-out-85-oz-%28pgc59097%29.html>
evergene
Oct 31, 2014, 12:20:10 PM10/31/14
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sms wrote:
>Cascade with Phosphates is back, relabeled as "Cascade Fryer Boil Out."
Odd choice for a favorite candy bar.
>Cascade with Phosphates is back, relabeled as "Cascade Fryer Boil Out."
Al Eisner
Oct 31, 2014, 1:42:36 PM10/31/14
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spokesman. However, based on the above post, I am forced to plead
incompetence at the task, and resign.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
sms
Oct 31, 2014, 6:48:13 PM10/31/14
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On 10/31/2014 9:12 AM, sms wrote:
<snip>
> And of course the price went way up!
>
> <http://www.restockit.com/cascade-with-phosphates-professional-fryer-boil-out-85-oz-%28pgc59097%29.html>
Cheaper here: <http://www.cometsupply.com/pm/PGC59097/>
My homemade dishwasher detergent did not work well. The dishes were
clean but dull.
<http://www.restockit.com/images/product/medium/PGC59097.jpg>
I will likely give this out as Christmas presents this year.
<snip>
> And of course the price went way up!
>
> <http://www.restockit.com/cascade-with-phosphates-professional-fryer-boil-out-85-oz-%28pgc59097%29.html>
My homemade dishwasher detergent did not work well. The dishes were
clean but dull.
<http://www.restockit.com/images/product/medium/PGC59097.jpg>
I will likely give this out as Christmas presents this year.
sf
Nov 1, 2014, 3:12:48 PM11/1/14
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:48:14 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
I'm happy with Cascade Complete. Started with tabs and switched to
the gel. I'm thinking the tabs did a better job, but I don't know
why. Will switch back when I finish the jug.
--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.
wrote:
the gel. I'm thinking the tabs did a better job, but I don't know
why. Will switch back when I finish the jug.
--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.
Peter Lawrence
Dec 2, 2014, 6:42:49 PM12/2/14
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On 10/31/14 9:12 AM, sms wrote:
>
> Cascade with Phosphates is back, relabeled as "Cascade Fryer Boil Out." It
> has the same ingredient list as the old Cascade dishwasher detergent, though
> since the percentages aren't listed there's no way of knowing if it's
> exactly the same.
>
> And of course the price went way up!
>
> <http://www.restockit.com/cascade-with-phosphates-professional-fryer-boil-out-85-oz-%28pgc59097%29.html>
But it's "For Commercial and Industrial Use Only."
>
> Cascade with Phosphates is back, relabeled as "Cascade Fryer Boil Out." It
> has the same ingredient list as the old Cascade dishwasher detergent, though
> since the percentages aren't listed there's no way of knowing if it's
> exactly the same.
>
> And of course the price went way up!
>
> <http://www.restockit.com/cascade-with-phosphates-professional-fryer-boil-out-85-oz-%28pgc59097%29.html>
Not meant for home use. Nor does it say that it's dishwasher safe.
- Peter
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