not-too-sweet cereal
JC Dill
Berries). It was... OK. I like that it wasn't as sweet as normal
breakfast cereal. I wasn't all that keen on the dried berries. I
haven't tried other Special K flavors yet.
I'm looking for something that is just slightly sweet - not totally
unsweetened such as Cheerios or Shredded Wheat. I don't care what type
of grain(s) it has. I prefer light or fluffy (and fewer calories per
cup) than heavy or dense cereals. Bonus if it comes in minimal
packaging (e.g. bag only, no box), is organic, has no HFCS, etc.
Double-bonus if it's not made by one of the mega-corps (General Mills,
etc.). Triple-bonus if I can buy it at Trader Joe's for $1.99 for a 24
oz bag. I know, I'm a dreamer! :-)
Suggestions?
jc
Veronique
Buy unsweetened and add a spoonful of sugar to your bowl? At least,
that's what we did as kids.
V. "MMmmm, Sugar Pops with extra sugar!"
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
David Arnstein
JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm looking for something that is just slightly sweet - not totally
>unsweetened such as Cheerios or Shredded Wheat. I don't care what type
>of grain(s) it has.
In terms of taste, I like a cereal named Zen that is available at Safeway.
Safeway also sells a house brand meusli that I like.
The three Chex cereals probably meet your criteria as well.
But don't fool yourself. If you look at the list of ingredients for any
of the commercial cereals, you will find that they are loaded with sugars
of various types.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
Al Eisner
Do you have a more specific criterion than "slightly sweet"? For exmaple,
my own cutoff point is a listed sugar content no more than 1/4 of the total
carbohydrates. Many commercial cereals either hover around this point or
are significantly sweeter. The Chex cereals, already mentioned, are
significantly lower but still a bit sweet, and Rice Chex is fairly light.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Chester
I like a heavier texture, so I really like the Kashi GoLean cereal:
http://www.kashi.com/products/golean_cereal_original
It's like eating a bunch of twigs and branches but, uh, in a good way.
Whole grain, zero added sugar, and ricockulous fiber.
For this and other plain cereals, I would suggest you buy dried fruit
separately. The stuff that gets packaged with cereal is usually really
crappy. You can do much better by buying separately-packaged bags of
assorted dried fruits. I forget which company it is, but Costco sells
someone's "Antioxidant Mix," which has a nice assortment of different
dried berries. If you can get to Berkeley Bowl or a similar store, you
can get even better stuff from their bulk bins. Organic too.
Oh, and avoid the GoLean Crunch. It's better than most mass-market
cereals, but not as good as the O.G. GoLean, as it has added
sweeteners.
Um, and finally: you can't really beat real oatmeal...if you can
stomach the stuff.
Chester
Chester
> It's like eating a bunch of twigs and branches but, uh, in a good way.
> Whole grain, zero added sugar, and ricockulous fiber.
Correction: I just checked and it does have evaporated cane juice and
honey added. But it sure doesn't taste like it and, at 6 grams of
sugar per serving, you'd be hard-pressed to find a boxed cereal that's
more wholesome.
I think.
Chester
David Arnstein
Chester <cheste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Um, and finally: you can't really beat real oatmeal...if you can
>stomach the stuff.
I believe that I can beat it. I buy DIRT CHEAP bulk grains at Whole
Foods and mix these together:
Two parts steel cut oats
One part cracked wheat
One part whole millet
One part whole flax seeds
A bit of coarse corn meal (polenta)
The corn part is a bit problematic. It is all so sugary now. Selective
breeding?
My rule is to avoid "rolled" grains like oatmeal. The crushing process
makes the stuff slimy after cooking: hard to stomach.
I cook this in my rice cooker two parts cereal to three parts water. I
use the timer function on my rice cooker so I don't care that it takes
up to half an hour to cook.
With milk and fresh fruits, it actually tastes good. Without the fruit,
it still tastes OK. And, you can shit like a toucan.
Steve Pope
> For today's breakfast I just finished up a box of Special K (Red
> Berries). It was... OK. I like that it wasn't as sweet as normal
> breakfast cereal. I wasn't all that keen on the dried berries. I
> haven't tried other Special K flavors yet.
>
> I'm looking for something that is just slightly sweet - not totally
> unsweetened such as Cheerios or Shredded Wheat. I don't care what type
> of grain(s) it has. I prefer light or fluffy (and fewer calories per
> cup) than heavy or dense cereals. Bonus if it comes in minimal
> packaging (e.g. bag only, no box), is organic, has no HFCS, etc.
> Double-bonus if it's not made by one of the mega-corps (General Mills,
> etc.). Triple-bonus if I can buy it at Trader Joe's for $1.99 for a 24
> oz bag. I know, I'm a dreamer! :-)
Trader Joe's organic corn flakes are nearly unsweetened -- 2 g of
sugar per serving.
I have also recently gotten a barely-sweetened, organic rise-crispies
type product at Grocery Outlet but the brand name escapes me.
Steve
Veronique
The Joe's O's at 2.49/box were barely sweet, with 1 gram of sugar per
serving (out of 17 grams carbohydrate total, IIRC.)
I almost bought a box, but then I remembered I don't really eat cold
cereal.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
congokid
<95653388-f3ae-430e...@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Chester <cheste...@gmail.com> writes
>For this and other plain cereals, I would suggest you buy dried fruit
>separately.
That's something like what I do. I get organic wheat-free muesli from a
local retailer (Planet Organic, in the UK), then add a handful or two of
dried fruit and nuts that I get from another UK health food retailer
(Holland & Barrett) and mix together. These can include cranberries,
goji berries, almonds, hazelnuts, sunflower seeds, walnuts, brazil nuts.
I'll add fresh fruit such as grapes, cherries or sliced banana and then
mix in a few spoonfuls of Greek yogurt.
http://www.planetorganic.com/
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/
>Um, and finally: you can't really beat real oatmeal...if you can
>stomach the stuff.
I haven't got into the habit of making real porridge, but we have a
range of instant versions, such as Oats So Simple. There's also Oatibix.
--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com
Gary Charpentier
> On Aug 1, 1:33 pm, JC Dill <jcdill.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Trader Joe's organic corn flakes are nearly unsweetened -- 2 g of
> sugar per serving.
>
What, they make it out of feed corn and not sweet corn? Oh, they don't tell you
corn starch + saliva enzymes = sugar or HFCS! And the food nazi's bitch about
HFCS being made with a GM enzyme when corn is the most highly GM'd grass on the
planet. Yes, that corn cob is related to your lawn. That's just how much GM
has gone on in making corn. I suppose it is okay because indigenous peoples did
the GM and not scientists who might have an understanding of what they are doing.
Steve Pope
>Steve Pope wrote:
>> Trader Joe's organic corn flakes are nearly unsweetened -- 2 g of
>> sugar per serving.
>What, they make it out of feed corn and not sweet corn? Oh, they don't
>tell you
>corn starch + saliva enzymes = sugar or HFCS!
No, you're supposed to know that food gets digested. The box
tells you what's in the box not what happens further down the line.
(Why do I even respond to these things before drinking my
morning coffee?)
S.
spamtr...@gmail.com
> planet. Yes, that corn cob is related to your lawn. That's just how much GM
> has gone on in making corn. I suppose it is okay because indigenous peoples did
> the GM and not scientists who might have an understanding of what they are doing.
Unlike modern scientists, the indigenous people did not insert animal
genes into any plants. I liked my food better when the animals were
distinctly separate from the plants.
JC Dill
> For this and other plain cereals, I would suggest you buy dried fruit
> separately.
The question wasn't about "cereal with stuff" - just cereal. As I said,
I wasn't all that fond of the Special K "red berries". I bought it on a
whim, and wouldn't buy it again. When I want fruit in my cereal I am
happy with adding fresh fruit (e.g. sliced banana, blueberries,
strawberries).
There are a plethora of plain (unsweetened) cereal choices - I didn't
need to ask here to "learn" about them (e.g. Cheerios). I rarely use
any type of sweetener and don't keep a bowl of sugar or other sweetener
handy to add to the cereal (sugar or sugar substitute) so unsweetened
cereals and "adding my own sugar" are not an optimal solution. I'm
trying to eat a quick and simple breakfast while avoiding the empty
calories sugar-laden cereals provide. That's why I'd like to find a
cereal that is "slightly" sweetened - enough that it is tasty as-is but
not loaded with sugar and empty calories like most cereals.
It's not about "total carbs" - it's just about eating healthy and
avoiding unnecessary sugars in a food that should be plenty tasty with
far less sugar than is present in most cereals.
> Um, and finally: you can't really beat real oatmeal
I enjoy oatmeal (particularly in the winter time) but it doesn't fit
well with my morning schedule most of the time. Cereal takes 30 seconds
to prepare, and 10 seconds to clean up. Oatmeal takes 5-45 minutes to
prepare (depending on the product) and leaves a sticky pot and bowl to
clean after I'm done eating.
jc
Steve Pope
>There are a plethora of plain (unsweetened) cereal choices - I didn't
>need to ask here to "learn" about them (e.g. Cheerios). I rarely use
>any type of sweetener and don't keep a bowl of sugar or other sweetener
>handy to add to the cereal (sugar or sugar substitute) so unsweetened
>cereals and "adding my own sugar" are not an optimal solution. I'm
>trying to eat a quick and simple breakfast while avoiding the empty
>calories sugar-laden cereals provide. That's why I'd like to find a
>cereal that is "slightly" sweetened - enough that it is tasty as-is but
>not loaded with sugar and empty calories like most cereals.
I just noticed a 99 cent box of corn flakes at the 99 cent
store near University and San Pablo. The only ingredients
were corn, cane sugar, and salt, the sugar per serving was
2 grams, and it is manufactured in Argentina.
Steve
Peter Lawrence
>
> There are a plethora of plain (unsweetened) cereal choices - I didn't
> need to ask here to "learn" about them (e.g. Cheerios). I rarely use
> any type of sweetener and don't keep a bowl of sugar or other sweetener
> handy to add to the cereal (sugar or sugar substitute) so unsweetened
> cereals and "adding my own sugar" are not an optimal solution. I'm
> trying to eat a quick and simple breakfast while avoiding the empty
> calories sugar-laden cereals provide. That's why I'd like to find a
> cereal that is "slightly" sweetened - enough that it is tasty as-is but
> not loaded with sugar and empty calories like most cereals.
>
> It's not about "total carbs" - it's just about eating healthy and
> avoiding unnecessary sugars in a food that should be plenty tasty with
> far less sugar than is present in most cereals.
If that's the case, I can whole heartily recommend Kashi's Heart to
Heart™ Honey Toasted Oat Cereal. It's lightly sweetened (just 5 grams
of sugars per serving) and I think it tastes great just with added milk,
no fruits nor additional sweetening is necessary.
You can *occasionally* find it at Costco, but most often times they
won't have it in stock, but I can always find it at either Safeway or
Whole Foods.
http://www.kashi.com/products/heart_to_heart_cereal_honey_toasted_oat
- Peter
Gary Charpentier
I think if you bother and check you will find you share a fair chunk of DNA with
plants. Has something to do will all life on the planet having a common ancestor.
Veronique
Not me. My family hearkens back to fungus myself.
Aahz Maruch
JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>It's not about "total carbs" - it's just about eating healthy and
>avoiding unnecessary sugars in a food that should be plenty tasty with
>far less sugar than is present in most cereals.
Unfortunately, my preference is for dense cereals -- I bet you hate
Grapenuts.
>I enjoy oatmeal (particularly in the winter time) but it doesn't fit
>well with my morning schedule most of the time. Cereal takes 30 seconds
>to prepare, and 10 seconds to clean up. Oatmeal takes 5-45 minutes to
>prepare (depending on the product) and leaves a sticky pot and bowl to
>clean after I'm done eating.
There are some good instant oatmeals at Whole Foods. I usually add a
bit of Grapenuts for texture.
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"so many bad sites, so little time for ridicule" --Selki
Gary Charpentier
Well I do like fungi in my diet. Wonderful things.
Geoff Miller
<spamtr...@gmail.com> writes:
> I liked my food better when the animals were distinctly
> separate from the plants.
Like you can tell the difference...
Geoff
--
"Convictions cause conflict." -- George F. Will
Geoff Miller
Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> writes:
[to Rhinoceros Woman]
> Unfortunately, my preference is for dense cereals -- I bet
> you hate Grapenuts.
I used to think that Grape Nuts was a venereal disease.
Actually, I have the same preference for dense cereals,
and Grape Nuts is in the rotation.
I made the mistake of buying a box of Quaker Granola a
few weeks ago, and it was _way_ too sweet. If I ever
buy it again (I *do* like its flavor), I think I'll dump
the entire contents of the box into a colander and use the
dish squirter to run hot water over it in order to rinse
away the sugar. Then I'll spread it all out on a cookie
sheet and let it sit in the oven for an hour at 150 degrees.
Owen Gilmore
>
> Actually, I have the same preference for dense cereals,
> and Grape Nuts is in the rotation.
>
> I made the mistake of buying a box of Quaker Granola a
> few weeks ago, and it was _way_ too sweet. If I ever
> buy it again (I *do* like its flavor), I think I'll dump
> the entire contents of the box into a colander and use the
> dish squirter to run hot water over it in order to rinse
> away the sugar. Then I'll spread it all out on a cookie
> sheet and let it sit in the oven for an hour at 150 degrees.
>
> Geoff
Try muesli, like granola without all the sugar. Add sugar or honey to
taste. If that's too "health-nutty" for you, Kashi Go Lean Crunch is
wonderful and sweet without being too sweet. It's hard, though -
beware if you've got any loose fillings.
Grape nuts are good too... reminds me I haven't had 'em in a while.
Sometimes I'd have them with half and half with just a touch of
sugar. Or warmed up. Good stuff...
OG
JC Dill
> In article <g738jm$ndd$1...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's not about "total carbs" - it's just about eating healthy and
>> avoiding unnecessary sugars in a food that should be plenty tasty with
>> far less sugar than is present in most cereals.
>
> Unfortunately, my preference is for dense cereals -- I bet you hate
> Grapenuts.
Actually I love Grapenuts. The problem is the calorie to cup-size
ratio. I can easily consume 500-600 calories of grapenuts before I'm
full, and that doesn't work well for me. That's why I'm looking for is
a cereal that is lighter and less sweet.
> There are some good instant oatmeals at Whole Foods.
Ick. Ick, ick, ick.
I'll eat instant oatmeal in emergencies, but won't buy it for regular
eating.
jc
Aahz Maruch
JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm looking for something that is just slightly sweet - not totally
>unsweetened such as Cheerios or Shredded Wheat. I don't care what type
>of grain(s) it has. I prefer light or fluffy (and fewer calories per
>cup) than heavy or dense cereals. Bonus if it comes in minimal
>packaging (e.g. bag only, no box), is organic, has no HFCS, etc.
>Double-bonus if it's not made by one of the mega-corps (General Mills,
>etc.). Triple-bonus if I can buy it at Trader Joe's for $1.99 for a 24
>oz bag. I know, I'm a dreamer! :-)
After reading this thread, I suggest that you do what I do: combine
multiple cereals. For example, these days I usually have TJ's Super
Nutty Toffee mixed with raisin bran. If you e.g. combine Cheerios with
a little bit of Cap'n Crunch, you should get what you want. It really
doesn't take much longer to combine them.
Steve Pope
>Actually I love Grapenuts. The problem is the calorie to cup-size
>ratio. I can easily consume 500-600 calories of grapenuts before I'm
>full, and that doesn't work well for me. That's why I'm looking for is
>a cereal that is lighter and less sweet.
Then here's another one: Nature's Path Organic Crispy Rice cereal
(3 g sugars/serving). Rice cereals tend to be puffy.
Steve
Steve Pope
>After reading this thread, I suggest that you do what I do: combine
>multiple cereals. For example, these days I usually have TJ's Super
>Nutty Toffee mixed with raisin bran. If you e.g. combine Cheerios with
>a little bit of Cap'n Crunch, you should get what you want. It really
>doesn't take much longer to combine them.
I do that as well, usually combining a totally unsweetened cereal
like Barbara's Organic Shredded Wheat with a much smaller amount of
a sweetened cereal, like Costco Organic Raisin Bran.
However that doesn't seem to be what JC is looking for. There
are many examples of slightly sweetened, non-dense, organic cereals.
Steve
Ciccio
> I'll eat instant oatmeal in emergencies, but won't buy it for regular
> eating.
I cook regular rolled oats oatmeal in by the instant method in the
microwave. To me there's no difference. Once in awhile, I'll make the
Irish Steel Cut oatmeal. I do it more for the texture than the flavor,
which is the same to me. Overall though, it's not worth the extra
time and effort, not to mention double the calories and double the
carbs. My favorite dry breakfast cereals are Wheaties and Cheerios.
Ciccio
sf
<aogi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Try muesli, like granola without all the sugar. Add sugar or honey to
>taste. If that's too "health-nutty" for you, Kashi Go Lean Crunch is
>wonderful and sweet without being too sweet.
I tried that Kashi stuff for the first time this morning. Double
Yuck! It's like eating sweetened cardboard, except cardboard is
probably tastier. I had to eat a cornchip and then brushed my teeth
just to get that taste out of my mouth. Horrible, horrible stuff.
BLECH.
>It's hard, though -
>beware if you've got any loose fillings.
I thought it was more like puffed cereal.
--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
Mae West
sf
wrote:
>Aahz Maruch wrote:
>
>> There are some good instant oatmeals at Whole Foods.
>
>Ick. Ick, ick, ick.
>
>I'll eat instant oatmeal in emergencies, but won't buy it for regular
>eating.
>
Not even steel cut oatmeal? What are your thoughts on cream of wheat?
Steve Pope
>On Aug 4, 12:07 pm, JC Dill <jcdill.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll eat instant oatmeal in emergencies, but won't buy it for regular
>> eating.
>I cook regular rolled oats oatmeal in by the instant method in the
>microwave. To me there's no difference. Once in awhile, I'll make the
>Irish Steel Cut oatmeal. I do it more for the texture than the flavor,
>which is the same to me.
So far as I can tell, there is no difference between instant oats,
quick oats, and regular oats, except in how flat/thin they have
been rolled out, and even then there is no appreciable difference
between instant and quick oats. You can either boil them,
or add boiling water, or microwave them, or eat them uncooked plain
in a bowl with milk in all cases.
Steve
Peter Lawrence
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Owen Gilmore
> <aogi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Try muesli, like granola without all the sugar. Add sugar or honey to
>> taste. If that's too "health-nutty" for you, Kashi Go Lean Crunch is
>> wonderful and sweet without being too sweet.
>
> I tried that Kashi stuff for the first time this morning. Double
> Yuck! It's like eating sweetened cardboard, except cardboard is
> probably tastier. I had to eat a cornchip and then brushed my teeth
> just to get that taste out of my mouth. Horrible, horrible stuff.
> BLECH.
>
>> It's hard, though -
>> beware if you've got any loose fillings.
>
> I thought it was more like puffed cereal.
I don't particularly care for the Kashi GOLEAN Crunch!™ either, but I do
like Kashi's Heart to Heart™ Honey Toasted Oat Cereal. It tastes like a
lightly sweetened version of Cheerios®.
- Peter
Al Eisner
> Actually I love Grapenuts. The problem is the calorie to cup-size ratio. I
> can easily consume 500-600 calories of grapenuts before I'm full, and that
> doesn't work well for me. That's why I'm looking for is a cereal that is
> lighter and less sweet.
So you consider a "portion" a constant volume of cereal without regard for
how dense it is? Forgive me, but that makes no sense to me. Obviously a
much more dense cereal would have more calories per unit volume. But
wouldn't it make sense to instead consider constant weight? Or are you
really saying that you find a cup of Grapenuts no more filling than the
same-sized cup of rice puffs?
The same problem occurs with jnudging sweetness by the number of grams
of sugar listed on the label per "serving". The serving sizes are all
over the place. Since most commericial cereals are mostly carbohydrates,
the way to calibrate sweetness, as I've said, is to look at the *ratio*
of sugar to total carbohydrates. (The majority of cereals, even the
organics at places like Whole Foods, seem way too sweet to me.) Once you
know what ratio you like, you can select cereals with close to that ratio,
and then add in other considerations such as density.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Gary Brainin
My understanding is that quick oats are regular oats that have simply
been cut into smaller pieces (so they cook faster), whereas instant
oats are partly-cooked before packaging. Whether any of these result
in a noticeable difference in the finished product is a matter of
personal taste.
For myself, I do notice a taste difference between quick and instant,
though that may have more to do with the added "flavors" in most
instant oatmeals. But given that the prep time in a microwave is
roughly the same, I see no reason to choose instant over quick. Plus,
homemade jam is, IMO, a much better flavor addition.
-Gary
axlq
JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm looking for something that is just slightly sweet - not totally
>unsweetened such as Cheerios or Shredded Wheat.
Generally the cereals at Whole Foods are pretty good. Most are
unsweetened but the sweetened ones are light on the sugar. They
tend to use interesting grains too.
-A
Steve Pope
>On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, JC Dill wrote:
>> Actually I love Grapenuts. The problem is the calorie to cup-size ratio. I
>> can easily consume 500-600 calories of grapenuts before I'm full, and that
>> doesn't work well for me. That's why I'm looking for is a cereal that is
>> lighter and less sweet.
>So you consider a "portion" a constant volume of cereal without regard for
>how dense it is? Forgive me, but that makes no sense to me. Obviously a
>much more dense cereal would have more calories per unit volume. But
>wouldn't it make sense to instead consider constant weight? Or are you
>really saying that you find a cup of Grapenuts no more filling than the
>same-sized cup of rice puffs?
Food satiety is related to a number of factors, some of them
purely visual. Your stomach does not report to the brain
how many calories you just put into it. Its signals are
based more on volume. And some of your mental reaction
is based simply on how much food appeared to be there before
you ate it.
Add on top of that individual variation, and it's probably
best to give a lot of weight to what people are saying works
or doesn't work for them.
Steve
JC Dill
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:07:47 -0700, JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>
>>> There are some good instant oatmeals at Whole Foods.
>> Ick. Ick, ick, ick.
>>
>> I'll eat instant oatmeal in emergencies, but won't buy it for regular
>> eating.
>>
> Not even steel cut oatmeal? What are your thoughts on cream of wheat?
I like real oatmeal (not instant) and steel cut oatmeal, and cream of
wheat. None of them work for me as a fast and low calorie, low sugar,
breakfast. When I make oatmeal I want a big bowl, with raisins,
walnuts, brown sugar, butter. It's not a low calorie, low sugar meal!
It takes longer to make, longer to cleanup. A small bowl isn't filling,
and it's still way too many calories. I also love French Toast - same
problem with too many calories, too much sugar. I could go on and on
with the breakfast foods I love that are not good for my diet.
Which brings me back to my quest for a "not too sweet cereal".
Something light (not dense/heavy), and with just a tad of sweetness. I
don't want a plain unsweetened cereal such as Cheerios. I don't want
something soaked in sugar (most sweetened cereals). I don't want
something dense and heavy (Grapenuts).
jc
JC Dill
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, JC Dill wrote:
>
>> Actually I love Grapenuts. The problem is the calorie to cup-size
>> ratio. I can easily consume 500-600 calories of grapenuts before I'm
>> full, and that doesn't work well for me. That's why I'm looking for
>> is a cereal that is lighter and less sweet.
>
> So you consider a "portion" a constant volume of cereal without regard for
> how dense it is? Forgive me, but that makes no sense to me. Obviously a
> much more dense cereal would have more calories per unit volume. But
> wouldn't it make sense to instead consider constant weight? Or are you
> really saying that you find a cup of Grapenuts no more filling than the
> same-sized cup of rice puffs?
I'm saying the amount of cereal that leaves me feeling "filled up" is
too many calories when the cereal is a heavy/dense cereal. The small
serving size just doesn't "feel" like a meal.
Have you actually weighed or measured out a "serving size" of cereal?
The typical serving size is FAR smaller than what most people pour into
a bowl. Weigh your cereal bowl. Then pour your cereal and weigh it
again. You may be VERY surprised at just how much larger YOUR serving
is over the "serving size" on the side of the box.
> The same problem occurs with jnudging sweetness by the number of grams
> of sugar listed on the label per "serving".
I don't. Everyone else in this thread is providing that info as a way
to indicate that the cereal they are suggesting is not very sweet - I'm
more interested in A) does it taste unsweetened, slightly sweetened, or
soaked in sugar? and B) how many calories per cup (volume)?
> The serving sizes are all
> over the place.
The serving sizes are quite consistent - by calories. The cereal
companies define a serving as a certain number of calories - a figure
that has very little relationship to a typical cereal bowl size, or a
typical serving when someone pours a bowl of cereal.
The soda companies do similar "creative serving size" crap when they try
to claim that there are 2 or more "servings" in a 12 oz can or 16 oz bottle.
> Since most commericial cereals are mostly carbohydrates,
> the way to calibrate sweetness, as I've said, is to look at the *ratio*
> of sugar to total carbohydrates. (The majority of cereals, even the
> organics at places like Whole Foods, seem way too sweet to me.)
Ditto!
> Once
> you know what ratio you like, you can select cereals with close to that
> ratio, and then add in other considerations such as density.
I said I liked the slight sweetness of the Special K (Red Berries)
upthread (in my OP), and that I was looking for similar cereals -
lightly sweetened and light in texture.
jc
sf
wrote:
>Something light (not dense/heavy), and with just a tad of sweetness. I
>don't want a plain unsweetened cereal such as Cheerios. I don't want
>something soaked in sugar (most sweetened cereals). I don't want
>something dense and heavy (Grapenuts).
>
Do you like yogurt? I'd take the crunchiest cereal I liked (grapenuts
would fill the bill, except I don't like it) and mix it with yogurt.
Use plain yogurt or a mixture of plain and flavored. My favorite
combo is a mixture of vanilla and plain. I like to mix puffed rice in
it, but I have to eat fast or it gets soggy. Another thing that's
good to mix into yogurt is the honey flavored wheat germ, which is
round and crunchy... but again you have to eat fast or it gets soggy.
Bottom line, use a cereal you like but isn't filling you up in the
portion you think you need to keep it to and mix it with yogurt.
You'll be full. If you want more than cereal and yogurt, go to Trader
Joe's and get a bag of their frozen mixed berries and mix them in. No
need to thaw completely... they'll add more crunch.
Dan Abel
spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
One of the things I've read about sucrose vs fructose (as additives) is
that sucrose does in fact tell the brain that calories have been
consumed, whereas fructose doesn't. When you consume fructose as part
of fruit, then the stomach reports to the brain about the volume and
weight, so that works.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Al Eisner
> Al Eisner wrote:
>
>> Since most commericial cereals are mostly carbohydrates,
>> the way to calibrate sweetness, as I've said, is to look at the *ratio*
>> of sugar to total carbohydrates. (The majority of cereals, even the
>> organics at places like Whole Foods, seem way too sweet to me.)
>
> Ditto!
>
>> Once you know what ratio you like, you can select cereals with close to
>> that ratio, and then add in other considerations such as density.
>
> I said I liked the slight sweetness of the Special K (Red Berries) upthread
> (in my OP), and that I was looking for similar cereals - lightly sweetened
> and light in texture.
But without having tried that cereal, it's very hard to know just what
level of sweetness you mean. It would be easier to respond if you
provided that ratio, which correlates directly with apparent sweetness,
at least in my experience. (The number of grams of sugar in a portion
does not correlate with apparent sweetness, since portion size is
apparently determined by unrelated criteria.)
Peter Lawrence
>
> I said I liked the slight sweetness of the Special K (Red Berries)
> upthread (in my OP), and that I was looking for similar cereals -
> lightly sweetened and light in texture.
And a number of us, myself included, have already given you some good
suggestions. The Chex cereals (Rice Chex, Corn Chex, Wheat Chex) all
fit the bill. So does the obvious choice, the original Special K, as
does the one I suggested, Kashi Heart to Heart Honey Toasted Oat.
Have you tried any of the above?
If not, you should. Your quest for your perfect cold cereal could be
over if you did.
- Peter
JC Dill
> Bottom line, use a cereal you like but isn't filling you up in the
> portion you think you need to keep it to and mix it with yogurt.
> You'll be full.
Why does everyone here seem to think they know better than me what I do
and don't like, and what I feel is filling or not filling?
I don't find cereal mixed with yogurt to be "filling" - at least not in
quantities that fit with my diet.
It seems necessary for me to elaborate further. A double serving (2
ounces) of Special K (Red Berries) @ 110 calories per serving (220
calories total) with 4 ounces of non-fat milk (45 calories) makes a
filling 265 calorie breakfast. That fits with my diet. It's slightly
sweet, not too sweet, and enough food (a real "bowl full") to feel
filling to ME while staying a low calorie breakfast with minimal added
sugar. I'm not that fond of Special K so I'm looking for different
cereal options. I want a cereal that is light and fluffy rather than
heavy and dense, and slightly sweet. Not unsweetened (like Cheerios).
I'm not looking for other breakfast ideas. I have been making my own
breakfast for over 30 years and I have a pretty good list of possible
breakfast meals. I really don't understand why this request is leading
to so many "alternate suggestions" rather than suggestions for possible
cereals.
I don't want to sound ungrateful, but sheesh guys! All of these
off-track "suggestions" are just not helpful, and they seem to be
breeding when left alone (not commented on by me) and dragging the
thread further and further off on a tangent rather than leading to
helpful suggestions.
I would really appreciate some cereal suggestions.
Thanks!
jc
sf
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:31:20 -0700, JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Something light (not dense/heavy), and with just a tad of sweetness. I
>don't want a plain unsweetened cereal such as Cheerios. I don't want
>something soaked in sugar (most sweetened cereals). I don't want
>something dense and heavy (Grapenuts).
>
Do you like yogurt? I'd take the crunchiest cereal I liked (grapenuts
would fill the bill, except I don't like it) and mix it with yogurt.
Use plain yogurt or a mixture of plain and flavored. My favorite
combo is a mixture of vanilla and plain. I like to mix puffed rice in
it, but I have to eat fast or it gets soggy. Another thing that's
good to mix into yogurt is the honey flavored wheat germ, which is
round and crunchy... but again you have to eat fast or it gets soggy.
Bottom line, use a cereal you like but isn't filling you up in the
portion you think you need to keep it to and mix it with yogurt.
You'll be full. If you want more than cereal and yogurt, go to Trader
Joe's and get a bag of their frozen mixed berries and mix them in. No
need to thaw completely... they'll add more crunch.
sf
wrote:
>I would really appreciate some cereal suggestions.
Sorry, but the entire cereal shelf has been mentioned in one way or
another. The rest is up to you.
Steve Pope
>sf wrote:
>> Bottom line, use a cereal you like but isn't filling you up in the
>> portion you think you need to keep it to and mix it with yogurt.
>> You'll be full.
>Why does everyone here seem to think they know better than me what I do
>and don't like, and what I feel is filling or not filling?
Not *everyone* here; I've given you serveral suggestions which
fit exactly what you've asked for. I think there have been
others as well.
Steve
Peter Lawrence
> JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Bottom line, use a cereal you like but isn't filling you up in the
>>> portion you think you need to keep it to and mix it with yogurt.
>>> You'll be full.
>>
>> Why does everyone here seem to think they know better than me what I do
>> and don't like, and what I feel is filling or not filling?
>
> fit exactly what you've asked for. I think there have been
> others as well.
>
> Steve
You have, I have, and others have too. Yet JC appears to focus her
comments and energy on those who post the "off-track suggestions" and
ignore (or at least provide no feedback) to those who suggestions are
more on target. She writes as if no one has suggested anything useful.
People have, but she appears to ignore those posts.
Whatever...
- Peter
Steve Pope
>Steve Pope wrote:
>> Not *everyone* here; I've given you several suggestions which
>> fit exactly what you've asked for. I think there have been
>> others as well.
>You have, I have, and others have too. Yet JC appears to focus her
>comments and energy on those who post the "off-track suggestions" and
>ignore (or at least provide no feedback) to those who suggestions are
>more on target. She writes as if no one has suggested anything useful.
>
>People have, but she appears to ignore those posts.
>Whatever...
It's just the old "Usenet Nod". It was there, you just
didn't see it.
Nothing malevolent going on.
Steve
Peter Lawrence
I don't think it's malevolent either. But some acknowledgment, even in
passing, would be useful to her search.
- Peter
Gary Charpentier
Raisin bran, remove the raisins which are sugar coated. Don't get the Costco
version because despite it having less sugar it is twice as sweet tasting.
Oh, you said light and fluff, how about shredded wheat? Puffed rice?
No, you want some sweet.
Humm, you may have to do the better living through chemistry and get an
unsweetened cereal and dissolve some chemistry of your choice into the milk
before you pour it on.
Peter Lawrence
Uh why? There are a number of lightly sweetened cereals out there
already. They're not too hard to find.
- Peter
Aahz Maruch
JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I don't want to sound ungrateful, but sheesh guys! All of these
>off-track "suggestions" are just not helpful, and they seem to be
>breeding when left alone (not commented on by me) and dragging the
>thread further and further off on a tangent rather than leading to
>helpful suggestions.
"A newsgroup thread is like a child. You put your heart into it, but it
still grows up the way it wants." --Michael Wileman
--
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<*> <*> <*>
"We will never be an advanced civilization as long as rain showers can
delay the launching of a space rocket." --George Carlin
SMS
> On Aug 1, 3:25 pm, Chester <chesteruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's like eating a bunch of twigs and branches but, uh, in a good way.
>> Whole grain, zero added sugar, and ricockulous fiber.
>
> Correction: I just checked and it does have evaporated cane juice and
> honey added.
Evaporated cane juice is fine, as long as there's no sugar!
Veronique
What you're asking appears to be entirely subjective. You already
understand how to read ingredients and compare serving sizes to
calories/sugars/ratio of sugars to carbohydrates. When specific
cereals are mentioned as candidates, you've apparently already
considered and rejected them. When you raise other subjective
considerations, such as whether a cereal is "filling" or "light",
people have naturally replied with their experiences and how they have
adapted them. But none of this is what you're looking for.
Myself, I'm not much of a breakfast cereal eater, but I think Cheerios
and various knock-offs are plenty sweet enough. You don't. Hence my
suggestion to take something acceptable and add a teaspoon (or half
teaspoon or half a cup or whatever) of sugar. But this is an
unreasonable suggestion because you don't have sugar in your house. So
someone else makes the perfectly reasonable suggestion you take a too
sweet cereal you like and mix it with a not-sweet-enough cereal that
you like, in proportions that tailor to your taste. But that's not
what you want either.
So you list the attributes of Special K. So we're back at the starting
point, with a matter of reading labels to find something that mimics
the nutritional profile of Special K-- but if you're not that fond of
Special K, why would you be more fond of something just like it?
V. "plain sheep milk yoghurt and green tea."
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Aahz Maruch
Veronique <veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 5, 10:03 pm, JC Dill <jcdill.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to sound ungrateful, but sheesh guys! All of these
>> off-track "suggestions" are just not helpful, and they seem to be
>> breeding when left alone (not commented on by me) and dragging the
>> thread further and further off on a tangent rather than leading to
>> helpful suggestions.
>>
>> I would really appreciate some cereal suggestions.
>
>understand how to read ingredients and compare serving sizes to
>calories/sugars/ratio of sugars to carbohydrates. When specific cereals
>are mentioned as candidates, you've apparently already considered and
>rejected them. When you raise other subjective considerations, such as
>whether a cereal is "filling" or "light", people have naturally replied
>with their experiences and how they have adapted them. But none of this
>is what you're looking for.
Or, in other words, it sure looks like JC is playing Yabbut.
Marcella Peek
SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> Evaporated cane juice is fine, as long as there's no sugar!
What are you thinking sugar is? OK, you can get it from beets now too,
but good old sugar from sugar cane is precisely evaporated cane juice.
marcella
Al Eisner
> Al Eisner wrote:>
>> The serving sizes are all
>> over the place.
>
> The serving sizes are quite consistent - by calories. The cereal companies
> define a serving as a certain number of calories - a figure that has very
> little relationship to a typical cereal bowl size, or a typical serving when
> someone pours a bowl of cereal.
I hadn't realized this, but being naturally skeptical I checked it out
on the nine types of cereal I have at home. Unfortunately, it isn't
true. A single serving ranges from 90 to 200 calories (without milk) -- and
not one or two outliers with the rest consistent, but several at each end
and also in the middle of the range. I already knew it wasn't consistent
by weight (and re-verified that). What about by volume? No luck there
either -- single servings ranged from 1/2 cup (for Grapenuts) to 1 cup.
So, barring some other good hypothesis, I stick with my comment quoted
above. And with my statement that the best way to characterize the
nutritional information is by ratios: percentage of calories from
fat, ratio of sugars to total carbs, and so on. Math is required!
(But it's simple math.)
Aahz Maruch
"If sarcasm were posted to the Net, would anybody notice?" --JDN
Al Eisner
> Raisin bran, remove the raisins which are sugar coated.
Or even better, start with plain all-bran flakes (such as Kellogg's,
only slightly sweet) and add raising to taste. That would adjust the
sweetness and provide far better raisings than the hard dried-out ones
which come in the raisin bran.
There, that's another concrete suggestion for JC (although I suspect it
won't be liked). I still might be able to provide more "off the shelf"
suggestions once JC's sweetness preference has been quantified, as I've
suggested two or three times before. (Just look at the box of that
Special-K variety you like.)
Gary Charpentier
You forgot it can be extracted from corn too. I think they call that E-85.
axlq
JC Dill <jcdill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Actually I love Grapenuts. The problem is the calorie to cup-size
>ratio. I can easily consume 500-600 calories of grapenuts before I'm
>full, and that doesn't work well for me. That's why I'm looking for is
>a cereal that is lighter and less sweet.
Grape Nuts comes in flakes, too.
>> There are some good instant oatmeals at Whole Foods.
>
>Ick. Ick, ick, ick.
>
>I'll eat instant oatmeal in emergencies, but won't buy it for regular
>eating.
Forget the oatmeals. Whole Foods and Trader Joes both have
excellent alternative cereals. You could probably spend a year
trying out all the varieties available.
I liked the multigrain flakes, as well as the amaranth flakes.
But I don't eat cereal anymore. More carbs than I need in the morning.
-A
Owen Gilmore
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Owen Gilmore
>
> <aogilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Try muesli, like granola without all the sugar. Add sugar or honey to
> >taste. If that's too "health-nutty" for you, Kashi Go Lean Crunch is
> >wonderful and sweet without being too sweet.
>
> I tried that Kashi stuff for the first time this morning. Double
> Yuck! It's like eating sweetened cardboard, except cardboard is
> probably tastier. I had to eat a cornchip and then brushed my teeth
> just to get that taste out of my mouth. Horrible, horrible stuff.
> BLECH.
Methinks you tried the regular Kashi (which is rather bland), or some
other Kashi, not the Kashi Go Lean Crunch. Then again, I do like
health nutty things more than most people.
> >It's hard, though -
> >beware if you've got any loose fillings.
>
> I thought it was more like puffed cereal.
I'm pretty sure it was some other Kashi. Go Lean Crunch isn't like
puffed cereal at all.
Mae West probably wouldn't like it either!
Owen Gilmore
> For today's breakfast I just finished up a box of Special K (Red
> Berries). It was... OK. I like that it wasn't as sweet as normal
> breakfast cereal. I wasn't all that keen on the dried berries. I
> haven't tried other Special K flavors yet.
>
> I'm looking for something that is just slightly sweet - not totally
> unsweetened such as Cheerios or Shredded Wheat. I don't care what type
> of grain(s) it has. I prefer light or fluffy (and fewer calories per
> cup) than heavy or dense cereals. Bonus if it comes in minimal
> packaging (e.g. bag only, no box), is organic, has no HFCS, etc.
> Double-bonus if it's not made by one of the mega-corps (General Mills,
> etc.). Triple-bonus if I can buy it at Trader Joe's for $1.99 for a 24
> oz bag. I know, I'm a dreamer! :-)
>
> Suggestions?
>
> jc
JC,
This just in today: Dorset Cereals. I got super cranberry, cherry
and almond. It was awesome! Tons of tart/sweet cranberries and
cherries, almonds and other nuts and seeds, and toasted cereal
Got at Whole Paycheck for $4.99 (yeah, I know we like to make fun of
them but they do have some good things).
Sounds expensive but I'll probably eat it for a week (19 oz. of very
dense, muesli-like cereal). There are other varieties. I'll report
back if I try them.
-OG
sf
<aogi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Methinks you tried the regular Kashi (which is rather bland), or some
>other Kashi, not the Kashi Go Lean Crunch.
Nope, I have the box to refer to. It's horrible stuff.
>Then again, I do like
>health nutty things more than most people.
You must. :)
Steve Fenwick
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
I've been trying Kashi Heart to Heart for the last few days, and while
it's not cardboard, it's very bland compared to my usual (Kellog Smart
Start), probably because it has far less sugar. It also looks like
something I used to feed my dog--more so when milk is added.
Steve
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Peter Lawrence
> In article <eL2mk.7299$cn7....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>> JC Dill wrote:
>>>
>>> I said I liked the slight sweetness of the Special K (Red Berries)
>>> upthread (in my OP), and that I was looking for similar cereals -
>>> lightly sweetened and light in texture.
>>
>> And a number of us, myself included, have already given you some good
>> suggestions. The Chex cereals (Rice Chex, Corn Chex, Wheat Chex) all
>> fit the bill. So does the obvious choice, the original Special K, as
>> does the one I suggested, Kashi Heart to Heart Honey Toasted Oat.
>>
>> Have you tried any of the above?
>>
>> If not, you should. Your quest for your perfect cold cereal could be
>> over if you did.
>>
>>
>> - Peter
>
> I've been trying Kashi Heart to Heart for the last few days, and while
> it's not cardboard, it's very bland compared to my usual (Kellog Smart
> Start), probably because it has far less sugar. It also looks like
> something I used to feed my dog--more so when milk is added.
>
> Steve
That's because it's mostly oats which tend to be bland. But I like the
mild taste of toasted oats, and with milk the cereal has just enough
sweetness to satisfy my taste buds. As a comparison, I usually have to
add a teaspoon of sugar to Cheerios. Also I like it because it stays
light and crunchy even in milk something most 'flakes' cereals won't do.
(BTW, I didn't realize that there was dog food the came in the shape of
small hearts and circles.) :)
- Peter
Steve Fenwick
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
Curiously (or maybe not), after two days of Kashi, Kellog's seems too
sweet. Damn you, health fiends! I'll have to try tone of the crunchy
varieties.
Al Eisner
> Curiously (or maybe not), after two days of Kashi, Kellog's seems too
> sweet. Damn you, health fiends! I'll have to try tone of the crunchy
> varieties.
If you like the mini-shreaded-wheat style, try Kashi's "Autumn Wheat",
definitely my favorite in this style as well as my favorite Kashi product.
It is less sweet than the Kellogg's analog (I'm having a temporary block
as to what that is called), and with no chance of congealed sugar, but
it is sweet enough and has a good flavor.
Steve Pope
>I just noticed a 99 cent box of corn flakes at the 99 cent
>store near University and San Pablo. The only ingredients
>were corn, cane sugar, and salt, the sugar per serving was
>2 grams, and it is manufactured in Argentina.
It is "Pampa" brand. Looks like a real bargain.
Steve
Steve Fenwick
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Owen Gilmore
> <aogi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Try muesli, like granola without all the sugar. Add sugar or honey to
> >taste. If that's too "health-nutty" for you, Kashi Go Lean Crunch is
> >wonderful and sweet without being too sweet.
>
> I tried that Kashi stuff for the first time this morning. Double
> Yuck! It's like eating sweetened cardboard, except cardboard is
> probably tastier. I had to eat a cornchip and then brushed my teeth
> just to get that taste out of my mouth. Horrible, horrible stuff.
> BLECH.
>
> >It's hard, though -
> >beware if you've got any loose fillings.
>
> I thought it was more like puffed cereal.
The Kashi "Go Lean" cereal really is bland, even with a large heap of
sliced strawberries on it. The puffed bits add to a mushy texture in the
mouth.
I'll go back to Kashi Heart to Heart.
Aahz Maruch
approximate): 3/4 cup Trader Joe's multi-grain oatmeal, two tsp cinnamon,
a dash each nutmeg and allspice, quarter-tsp light salt, two Tbl butter,
two heaping Tbl brown sugar, and two Tbl milk."Conservatives say that if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose
their incentive to invest. As for they poor, they tell us they've lost all
incentive because we've given them too much money." --George Carlin
sf
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>The Kashi "Go Lean" cereal really is bland, even with a large heap of
>sliced strawberries on it. The puffed bits add to a mushy texture in the
>mouth.
>
>I'll go back to Kashi Heart to Heart.
>
>Steve
We have the Kashi go lean "Crunch" now and it's pretty good. I still
say the Go Lean <probably> "original", although it doesn't say, tastes
like cardboard. It's the one with all the weird shapes and no flavor.