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Al Eisner
Feb 27, 2012, 2:57:37 PM2/27/12
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Two new restaurants opening at the Stanford Shopping Center, both along
the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
1) "The Melt". This seems a bit bizarre. They served grilled cheese on
bread (most combinations more interesting than the standard American
Cheese version) and pureed soups. The idea apparently is to dip the
grilled cheese in the soup. (I stopped in and that's what I was
told.) The menu is at their website, themelt.com. It's an informal
order-at-the-counter place. In response to clicking on "Locations",
the web site provides a map which makes it appear that there are
hundreds of these across North America (including Mexico). But a
random search for specific locations didn't turn up anything other
than three in SF and the Stanford location. Very puzzling. I haven't
tried it yet, but probably will do so (with the anticipation that it
will be my only visit, but who knows?)
2) Of much more potential interest is "Yucca de Lac", not yet open I
think, but it looks pretty close). This is a pan-Asian place
derived from a longstanding Hong Kong restaurant. See
http://www.yuccarestaurant.com/ . Of course, not all Hong Kong-type
imports turn out to be winners here, but it seems quite promisint.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
1) "The Melt". This seems a bit bizarre. They served grilled cheese on
bread (most combinations more interesting than the standard American
Cheese version) and pureed soups. The idea apparently is to dip the
grilled cheese in the soup. (I stopped in and that's what I was
told.) The menu is at their website, themelt.com. It's an informal
order-at-the-counter place. In response to clicking on "Locations",
the web site provides a map which makes it appear that there are
hundreds of these across North America (including Mexico). But a
random search for specific locations didn't turn up anything other
than three in SF and the Stanford location. Very puzzling. I haven't
tried it yet, but probably will do so (with the anticipation that it
will be my only visit, but who knows?)
2) Of much more potential interest is "Yucca de Lac", not yet open I
think, but it looks pretty close). This is a pan-Asian place
derived from a longstanding Hong Kong restaurant. See
http://www.yuccarestaurant.com/ . Of course, not all Hong Kong-type
imports turn out to be winners here, but it seems quite promisint.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
SMS
Feb 27, 2012, 3:21:39 PM2/27/12
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On 2/27/2012 11:57 AM, Al Eisner wrote:
> Two new restaurants opening at the Stanford Shopping Center, both along
> the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
> gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
>
> 1) "The Melt". This seems a bit bizarre. They served grilled cheese on
> bread (most combinations more interesting than the standard American
> Cheese version) and pureed soups. The idea apparently is to dip the
> grilled cheese in the soup. (I stopped in and that's what I was
> told.) The menu is at their website, themelt.com. It's an informal
> order-at-the-counter place. In response to clicking on "Locations",
> the web site provides a map which makes it appear that there are
> hundreds of these across North America (including Mexico). But a
> random search for specific locations didn't turn up anything other
> than three in SF and the Stanford location. Very puzzling. I haven't
> tried it yet, but probably will do so (with the anticipation that it
> will be my only visit, but who knows?)
I guess paying $14 or so for soup and a cheese sandwich works at
> Two new restaurants opening at the Stanford Shopping Center, both along
> the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
> gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
>
> 1) "The Melt". This seems a bit bizarre. They served grilled cheese on
> bread (most combinations more interesting than the standard American
> Cheese version) and pureed soups. The idea apparently is to dip the
> grilled cheese in the soup. (I stopped in and that's what I was
> told.) The menu is at their website, themelt.com. It's an informal
> order-at-the-counter place. In response to clicking on "Locations",
> the web site provides a map which makes it appear that there are
> hundreds of these across North America (including Mexico). But a
> random search for specific locations didn't turn up anything other
> than three in SF and the Stanford location. Very puzzling. I haven't
> tried it yet, but probably will do so (with the anticipation that it
> will be my only visit, but who knows?)
Stanford Shopping Center. I read about this chain a while back.
Peter Lawrence
Feb 27, 2012, 3:33:09 PM2/27/12
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Couldn't understand why anyone would pay so much money for so little food,
grilled cheese no less. I thought Stanford students were supposed to be
smart (many in the line appeared to be Stanford students).
- Peter
Al Eisner
Feb 27, 2012, 3:37:26 PM2/27/12
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outlet also at the Stanford Center.
But suppose, instead, you started with the premise that Stanford students
are indeed extremely smart. See where your reasoning would go then. :)
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 3:38:10 PM2/27/12
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In article <jigpa7$7th$1...@dont-email.me>,
Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go), so I don't
know what they do there, but I'll point out that some cheeses are
quite pricey as raw ingredients.
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Couldn't understand why anyone would pay so much money for so
>little food, grilled cheese no less.
I haven't been there, and probably never will (since Stanford
>Couldn't understand why anyone would pay so much money for so
>little food, grilled cheese no less.
Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go), so I don't
know what they do there, but I'll point out that some cheeses are
quite pricey as raw ingredients.
Al Eisner
Feb 27, 2012, 3:42:43 PM2/27/12
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The cost is about $9, not $14; and you're not required to order both the
sandwich and the soup, so a student can get by more cheaply.
SMS
Feb 27, 2012, 3:55:51 PM2/27/12
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On 2/27/2012 12:42 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
> Actually, I jsut checked their web page, and your information is wrong.
> The cost is about $9, not $14; and you're not required to order both the
> sandwich and the soup, so a student can get by more cheaply.
What are the dining options like on the Stanford campus these days? I
> Actually, I jsut checked their web page, and your information is wrong.
> The cost is about $9, not $14; and you're not required to order both the
> sandwich and the soup, so a student can get by more cheaply.
remember when Stanford had a particularly horrible food service company
called "Servomation." They had that same company at the university I
went to.
Last week we visited a university in Flagstaff Arizona. They had an
amazingly good all you can eat food court with Italian, Pizza, Mongolian
BBQ, Burgers/Fries/Chili, Salads, Sandwiches, and Comfort Food. They
gave us a free lunch, but it's normally about $6.50 for students, $9.50
for the public, including tax, beverages, dessert, etc.. I think the
meals are planned by the school's hotel and restaurant college. Dinner
is $1 more. We went back there for dinner too.
<http://1899barandgrill.com/NAUdining/Feb20HotSpot.html>
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 4:08:03 PM2/27/12
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In article <4f4bedd8$0$11983$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
but he's not here to speak up for himself.
SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>Last week we visited a university in Flagstaff Arizona. They had
>an amazingly good all you can eat food court with Italian, Pizza,
>Mongolian BBQ, Burgers/Fries/Chili, Salads, Sandwiches, and Comfort
>Food.
When I say my son picked UC Davis for the food, he sometimes objects,
>Last week we visited a university in Flagstaff Arizona. They had
>an amazingly good all you can eat food court with Italian, Pizza,
>Mongolian BBQ, Burgers/Fries/Chili, Salads, Sandwiches, and Comfort
>Food.
but he's not here to speak up for himself.
Aahz Maruch
Feb 27, 2012, 4:34:05 PM2/27/12
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In article <jigrbj$2p52$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
has changed in the last quarter-century.
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"Crisis management is a contradiction in terms." --M.A. Foster
Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>
>When I say my son picked UC Davis for the food, he sometimes objects,
>but he's not here to speak up for himself.
<raised eyebrow> Either your son has different tastes or the UCD food
>
>When I say my son picked UC Davis for the food, he sometimes objects,
>but he's not here to speak up for himself.
has changed in the last quarter-century.
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"Crisis management is a contradiction in terms." --M.A. Foster
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 4:41:36 PM2/27/12
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In article <jigssd$4h5$1...@panix5.panix.com>, Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Either your son has different tastes or the UCD food has changed
>in the last quarter-century.
Did it used to be bad? They run their own food service out of their
>Either your son has different tastes or the UCD food has changed
>in the last quarter-century.
food-related majors. It's not entirely local ingredients and such,
but some of it is. It all seemed substantially better than the schools
that have third party contractors.
Peter Lawrence
Feb 27, 2012, 4:43:19 PM2/27/12
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UC Davis is a fine school, nevertheless. He made a good choice (even if his
criteria for selecting it might have been questionable). ;)
- Peter
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 4:47:19 PM2/27/12
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In article <jigtdp$22t$1...@dont-email.me>,
I suppose everyone does in principle....
>UC Davis is a fine school, nevertheless. He made a good choice
>(even if his criteria for selecting it might have been questionable). ;)
He does like it for other reasons. But we'll see. The main issue
is exactly what I warned him about, namely the state budget. It's
a rather shaky time to opt for a public university, so we'll see
if he can afford to finish. Or if UC is even still in existence!
I suppose everyone does in principle....
>UC Davis is a fine school, nevertheless. He made a good choice
>(even if his criteria for selecting it might have been questionable). ;)
is exactly what I warned him about, namely the state budget. It's
a rather shaky time to opt for a public university, so we'll see
if he can afford to finish. Or if UC is even still in existence!
Peter Lawrence
Feb 27, 2012, 4:48:29 PM2/27/12
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On 2/27/12 12:55 PM, SMS wrote:
> On 2/27/2012 12:42 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I jsut checked their web page, and your information is wrong.
>> The cost is about $9, not $14; and you're not required to order both the
>> sandwich and the soup, so a student can get by more cheaply.
>
> What are the dining options like on the Stanford campus these days? I
> remember when Stanford had a particularly horrible food service company
> called "Servomation." They had that same company at the university I went to.
It's a lot better than in the distant past (when I was college age).
> On 2/27/2012 12:42 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I jsut checked their web page, and your information is wrong.
>> The cost is about $9, not $14; and you're not required to order both the
>> sandwich and the soup, so a student can get by more cheaply.
>
> What are the dining options like on the Stanford campus these days? I
> remember when Stanford had a particularly horrible food service company
> called "Servomation." They had that same company at the university I went to.
There are small specialty eateries, like the three mini-Coupa Cafes
scattered around the students residence areas at Stanford. Nothing that's
really Michelin star worthy, but still a substantial improvement from
yesteryear.
- Peter
Al Eisner
Feb 27, 2012, 4:59:42 PM2/27/12
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dinner on Thursday (acc. to their web page). I've had lunch at its sister
place in a Menlo Park business park, and found it to be very good for
that sort of lunch-only place.
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 5:06:10 PM2/27/12
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In article <alpine.LRH.2.00....@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>There's a Cool Cafe at Stanford, open only for lunch Wed.-Sun. and
>an early dinner on Thursday (acc. to their web page).
Is it part of the student meal plan?
>There's a Cool Cafe at Stanford, open only for lunch Wed.-Sun. and
>an early dinner on Thursday (acc. to their web page).
Aahz Maruch
Feb 27, 2012, 5:53:49 PM2/27/12
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In article <jigtag$2p7v$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't any better than, say, Hometown Buffet.
Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
Al Eisner
Feb 27, 2012, 7:51:09 PM2/27/12
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http://www.stanford.edu/dept/visitorinfo/activities/dining.html --
only a handful owned by Stanford appear to be on the meal plan. (These
include Subway, which I guess is franchised.) For example, see
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/rde/cgi-bin/drupal/dining/undergraduate-meal-plans
But none of here is a Stanford student, right? So why should we care?
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 8:10:20 PM2/27/12
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In article <alpine.LRH.2.00....@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>But none of here is a Stanford student, right? So why should we
>care?
I was still thinking of the topic in the context of my kids' school
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>But none of here is a Stanford student, right? So why should we
>care?
choices and food options. I'm also vaguely interested in the
evolution of student food.
Don Martinich
Feb 27, 2012, 8:28:05 PM2/27/12
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In article <jigtag$2p7v$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
Well, it looks like they are trying for more variety and they say they
are promoting sustainability and good nutrition. I haven't eaten there
in 3 or 4 years but the food service is still run by Sodexo
http://www.sodexousa.com/ . So, I'm a little skeptical. It's probably
better than when Saga food services ran it when I was a student. Another
alternative is a goodly number of food outlets (of many flavors) within
walking/biking distance from the central campus and the dorms. There
seem to be a lot of special price promotions to attract the student
trade.
D.M.
UCDavis '74
are promoting sustainability and good nutrition. I haven't eaten there
in 3 or 4 years but the food service is still run by Sodexo
http://www.sodexousa.com/ . So, I'm a little skeptical. It's probably
better than when Saga food services ran it when I was a student. Another
alternative is a goodly number of food outlets (of many flavors) within
walking/biking distance from the central campus and the dorms. There
seem to be a lot of special price promotions to attract the student
trade.
D.M.
UCDavis '74
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 8:33:38 PM2/27/12
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In article <dmartinich-B5035...@londonmet-140-097-196-216.londonmet.ac.uk>,
organized there. Apparently I'm not too clear on the details.
Regarding skepticism, I can't say, since having to eat the food
every day is the real test, but it sure seemed better than other
schools we visited.
Don Martinich <dmart...@att.net> wrote:
>Well, it looks like they are trying for more variety and they say
>they are promoting sustainability and good nutrition. I haven't
>eaten there in 3 or 4 years but the food service is still run by
>Sodexo http://www.sodexousa.com/ . So, I'm a little skeptical.
Hmm, well, I'm just going by what I was told regarding how it is
>Well, it looks like they are trying for more variety and they say
>they are promoting sustainability and good nutrition. I haven't
>eaten there in 3 or 4 years but the food service is still run by
>Sodexo http://www.sodexousa.com/ . So, I'm a little skeptical.
organized there. Apparently I'm not too clear on the details.
Regarding skepticism, I can't say, since having to eat the food
every day is the real test, but it sure seemed better than other
schools we visited.
Al Eisner
Feb 27, 2012, 8:36:10 PM2/27/12
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
experience on my part, but they've had a good reputation. (Of course,
you get to live in mid-state New York!)
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 27, 2012, 8:42:02 PM2/27/12
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In article <alpine.LRH.2.00....@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>Have you looked at Cornell recently?
Not recently, but yes, I was aware that at least in the past, they
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>Have you looked at Cornell recently?
had very good services as provided (perhaps "provided" is wrong,
given what's been said about Davis) ... because of... their extensive
hospitality majors.
Closer, I'm told that the relatively new CS Monterey has rather
good food service.
Steve Fenwick
Feb 28, 2012, 2:24:10 AM2/28/12
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In article
<alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
it for food there now.
Steve
--
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
<alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Two new restaurants opening at the Stanford Shopping Center, both along
> the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
> gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
Smith & Hawken. Crate & Barrel is back by Nordstrom.
> Two new restaurants opening at the Stanford Shopping Center, both along
> the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
> gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
it for food there now.
Steve
--
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
David Arnstein
Feb 28, 2012, 3:25:21 AM2/28/12
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In article <nospam-F3246E....@news.eternal-september.org>,
the espresso was good too, but my memory is not clear. I plan to go
back.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>it for food there now.
I had one good visit to Cocola Bakery. I enjoyed their pastry. I think
>Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>it for food there now.
the espresso was good too, but my memory is not clear. I plan to go
back.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
Peter Lawrence
Feb 28, 2012, 3:52:20 AM2/28/12
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On 2/27/12 11:24 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>
> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> it for food there now.
Au contraire, there's still a variety of good eats at Stanford Shopping
>
> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> it for food there now.
Center. Fleming's steakhouse actually has an excellent happy hour deal,
their “5 For $6 ’Til 7” bar menu featuring 5 appetizers, 5 premium cocktails
and 5 wines by the glass for $6 each, served until 7PM every night.
The Neiman Marcus Cafe on the top floor of NM is surprisingly good (who
would of thought?). Gourmet Franks is still in business after all this
years and still serving up pretty decent hot dogs and sausages (though I've
definitely had better elsewhere).
The pastries, breads, and sandwiches are excellent at La Baguette.
A relatively newcomer, Cocola Bakery also offers excellent pastries and
deserts (but their sandwiches and salads just so, so). And for sheer
indulgence, nothing beats the champagne truffles from Teuscher.
And I would be remiss if I didn't mention the excellent deli sandwiches that
are available at Schaub's.
- Peter
SMS
Feb 28, 2012, 9:49:40 AM2/28/12
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On 2/27/2012 5:42 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article<alpine.LRH.2.00....@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner<eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Have you looked at Cornell recently?
>
> Not recently, but yes, I was aware that at least in the past, they
> had very good services as provided (perhaps "provided" is wrong,
> given what's been said about Davis) ... because of... their extensive
> hospitality majors.
The key in choosing a college may be to choose one that has both the
> In article<alpine.LRH.2.00....@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner<eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Have you looked at Cornell recently?
>
> Not recently, but yes, I was aware that at least in the past, they
> had very good services as provided (perhaps "provided" is wrong,
> given what's been said about Davis) ... because of... their extensive
> hospitality majors.
major you want and a good hospitality program. And of course one that
has a good rock climbing wall. And that is either a state school or one
that participates in WUE (Western Undergraduate Exchange).
When we went on the tour at NAU last week they talked about the class
they have in wine and cheese, but you have to be 21 or older to take it.
They run what they claim is a five star restaurant on the edge of campus
<http://1899barandgrill.com/> which may be overstating it, but I can't
say because we didn't try it. It certainly isn't priced like a five star
restaurant.
Two other things the tour guides always seem to talk about on tours is
a) printing (the cost of it and ways to print for free), and b)
web-based laundry rooms where you can check if machines are available
and if your machine has stopped. But no cameras inside the machines so
you can watch your clothes going around.
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 12:05:36 PM2/28/12
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dinner every year at Christmas. They live in Palo Alto and do not like
to roam far from home. A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
the food surprisingly tasty and good value. Just the sort of place you
want for a break from shopping.
Julian Macassey
Feb 28, 2012, 12:25:31 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:05:36 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will dare to suggest another. We rendezvous with an older couple for
> dinner every year at Christmas. They live in Palo Alto and do not like
> to roam far from home. A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
> Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
> ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
> the food surprisingly tasty and good value. Just the sort of place you
> want for a break from shopping.
P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will dare to suggest another. We rendezvous with an older couple for
> dinner every year at Christmas. They live in Palo Alto and do not like
> to roam far from home. A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
> Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
> ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
> the food surprisingly tasty and good value. Just the sort of place you
> want for a break from shopping.
people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
The fact that they have a large bar should convince you
as to the quality of the food.
If you ever see the words "Chinese" and "Coctails" on the
same sign, keep driving.
--
This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with
Negroes, entertainers, and any others. - Harry J. Anslinger
sms88
Feb 28, 2012, 12:41:39 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/2012 9:25 AM, Julian Macassey wrote:
> P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
Except that in the midwest you'd be better off at P.F. Chang's or Panda
> P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
Express than one of the local Chinese restaurants.
I recall that Darden, the company that owns Olive Garden and Red Lobster
at one time had a chain of Chinese restaurants called "China Coast." It
only made sense to expand from bad Italian and bad seafood into bad
Chinese. It didn't work out.
<http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1995-08-23/business/9508230109_1_darden-restaurants-china-coast-coast-restaurants>
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 1:05:55 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 9:41 am, sms88 <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/2012 9:25 AM, Julian Macassey wrote:
>
> > P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> > people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
>
> Except that in the midwest you'd be better off at P.F. Chang's or Panda
> Express than one of the local Chinese restaurants.
You can't put those two in the same bin. It would be like saying you'd
> On 2/28/2012 9:25 AM, Julian Macassey wrote:
>
> > P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> > people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
>
> Except that in the midwest you'd be better off at P.F. Chang's or Panda
> Express than one of the local Chinese restaurants.
be better off at Buca di Beppo (Maggiano's?) or Sbarro's than one of
the local Italian restaurants.
>
> I recall that Darden, the company that owns Olive Garden and Red Lobster
> at one time had a chain of Chinese restaurants called "China Coast." It
> only made sense to expand from bad Italian and bad seafood into bad
> Chinese. It didn't work out.
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 1:02:41 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 9:25 am, Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:05:36 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
>
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:05:36 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
>
> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I will dare to suggest another. We rendezvous with an older couple for
> > dinner every year at Christmas. They live in Palo Alto and do not like
> > to roam far from home. A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
> > Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
> > ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
> > the food surprisingly tasty and good value. Just the sort of place you
> > want for a break from shopping.
>
> P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
>
> The fact that they have a large bar should convince you
> as to the quality of the food.
Julian arguing against large bars in restaurants -- I will have to
>
> > I will dare to suggest another. We rendezvous with an older couple for
> > dinner every year at Christmas. They live in Palo Alto and do not like
> > to roam far from home. A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
> > Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
> > ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
> > the food surprisingly tasty and good value. Just the sort of place you
> > want for a break from shopping.
>
> P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
>
> The fact that they have a large bar should convince you
> as to the quality of the food.
remember this day. But authenticity is not my only goal when I am
having dinner. I paid my dues eating sea cucumber clay pot at Ton
Kiang, back where you could park behind the restaurant, where you
could see your dinner possibilities swimming around in tanks. (In
their new location they serve bad dim sum to white people.)
>
> If you ever see the words "Chinese" and "Coctails" on the
> same sign, keep driving.
>
rectangular room, with one corner of the restaurant turned into a bar.
The food there was neither authentic nor tasty.
Julian Macassey
Feb 28, 2012, 2:21:50 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:05:55 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bad steakhouses would have seemed the way to go.
Outhouse steakhouse and Sizzler have that part of the
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bad steakhouses would have seemed the way to go.
market sewn up.
tutall
Feb 28, 2012, 2:28:14 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 27, 1:34 pm, a...@pobox.com (Aahz Maruch) wrote:
> In article <jigrbj$2p5...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
the norm at campus' across the west as far as we could tell.
> In article <jigrbj$2p5...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
> Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> >When I say my son picked UC Davis for the food, he sometimes objects,
> >but he's not here to speak up for himself.
>
> <raised eyebrow> Either your son has different tastes or the UCD food
> has changed in the last quarter-century.
> --
It's changed, enormously. What Todd is seeing at UCD is pretty much
>
>
>
> >When I say my son picked UC Davis for the food, he sometimes objects,
> >but he's not here to speak up for himself.
>
> <raised eyebrow> Either your son has different tastes or the UCD food
> has changed in the last quarter-century.
> --
the norm at campus' across the west as far as we could tell.
tutall
Feb 28, 2012, 2:25:36 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 27, 12:38 pm, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
> I haven't been there, and probably never will (since Stanford
> Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go),
Depends what you go there for. It's pretty nice for people watching on
a warm summer day.
> I haven't been there, and probably never will (since Stanford
> Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go),
Depends what you go there for. It's pretty nice for people watching on
a warm summer day.
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 28, 2012, 2:41:38 PM2/28/12
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In article <1469770a-ab3f-43f0...@k29g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
everything. It's literally twice the price of a typical Chinese
restaurant, for worse food.
>But authenticity is not my only goal when I am having dinner.
Most often, authenticity is not a goal I have at all when eating.
Occasionally, I do like to do some research on the point, though.
spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
>> > Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
>> > ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
>> > the food surprisingly tasty and good value.
Pointless Fucking Chang's called a good value. Now I've truly seen
>> > A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
>> > Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
>> > ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
>> > the food surprisingly tasty and good value.
everything. It's literally twice the price of a typical Chinese
restaurant, for worse food.
>But authenticity is not my only goal when I am having dinner.
Occasionally, I do like to do some research on the point, though.
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 28, 2012, 2:45:49 PM2/28/12
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In article <4f4ce985$0$12015$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
affordable these days. I like that my son wants to represent the
people of the state of California by attending UC. I think it's
honorable. But it's really going to hurt him financially. I don't
think my daughters are going to consider UC as a result. (I don't
really know what the political realities are in the exchange states,
other than vaguely, so maybe you're safe somewhere else.)
SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>The key in choosing a college may be to choose one that has both the
>major you want and a good hospitality program. And of course one that
>has a good rock climbing wall. And that is either a state school or one
>that participates in WUE (Western Undergraduate Exchange).
I just don't know about trusting that public schools will be
>The key in choosing a college may be to choose one that has both the
>major you want and a good hospitality program. And of course one that
>has a good rock climbing wall. And that is either a state school or one
>that participates in WUE (Western Undergraduate Exchange).
affordable these days. I like that my son wants to represent the
people of the state of California by attending UC. I think it's
honorable. But it's really going to hurt him financially. I don't
think my daughters are going to consider UC as a result. (I don't
really know what the political realities are in the exchange states,
other than vaguely, so maybe you're safe somewhere else.)
Peter Lawrence
Feb 28, 2012, 2:53:11 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/12 9:25 AM, Julian Macassey wrote:
>
> If you ever see the words "Chinese" and "Coctails" on the
> same sign, keep driving.
Got to disagree with this. I've been to a number of Chinese restaurants
>
> If you ever see the words "Chinese" and "Coctails" on the
> same sign, keep driving.
that advertized Cocktails on their outdoor sign (or via a neon sign) that
served pretty decent Chinese food. Though I've been to ones that also
served very bad Chinese food.
So to me, a cocktail sign (or a large bar) is neither an indicator of bad
Chinese food or good. Actually, I think it's sad nowadays that so few
Chinese restaurants come equipped with a good full service bar or lounge.
Miss those days.
- Peter
David Arnstein
Feb 28, 2012, 3:13:08 PM2/28/12
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In article <slrnjkqaae...@adeed.tele.com>,
steaks I have tried there all dried out before I could gobble them up.
Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
> Outhouse steakhouse and Sizzler have that part of the
>market sewn up.
The most expensive steak at Outback (Victoria) is quite good. The other
> Outhouse steakhouse and Sizzler have that part of the
>market sewn up.
steaks I have tried there all dried out before I could gobble them up.
SMS
Feb 28, 2012, 3:13:50 PM2/28/12
to
the few schools that has the major she wants (UC Santa Cruz is another)
and it's pretty affordable as those things go. With WUE, NAU it's less
expensive than UCSC, and they guarantee the cost for all four years.
Also they have much smaller classes and very few classes taught by
teaching assistants.
My daughter applied to Davis, and she'll probably get in, but personally
I hope she doesn't go there, at least not until Katehi resigns.
Peter Lawrence
Feb 28, 2012, 3:22:24 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/12 12:13 PM, David Arnstein wrote:
> In article<slrnjkqaae...@adeed.tele.com>,
> Julian Macassey<jul...@tele.com> wrote:
>>
>> Outhouse steakhouse and Sizzler have that part of the
>> market sewn up.
>
> The most expensive steak at Outback (Victoria) is quite good. The other
> steaks I have tried there all dried out before I could gobble them up.
The steaks I've ordered at Outback, usually the porterhouse, rib-eye or New
> In article<slrnjkqaae...@adeed.tele.com>,
> Julian Macassey<jul...@tele.com> wrote:
>>
>> Outhouse steakhouse and Sizzler have that part of the
>> market sewn up.
>
> The most expensive steak at Outback (Victoria) is quite good. The other
> steaks I have tried there all dried out before I could gobble them up.
York strip, have always been very good. Never had them dry out before
finishing them off (maybe I just gobble them up faster than you do). As
chains go, Outback is pretty decent if you don't mind the excess noise.
Julian is just an anti-Chainite. He hates all restaurant chains. ;)
- Peter
Peter Lawrence
Feb 28, 2012, 3:30:57 PM2/28/12
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just because the mall itself. I just visit ones that have stores I want to
shop at on that particular day. And as major shopping centers and malls go,
Stanford Shopping Center is probably the best one on the Peninsula and in
the South Bay as crowds and parking goes. I find Valley Fair and Hillsdale
much more annoying (in terms of crowds, traffic, and parking) than Stanford.
- Peter
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 28, 2012, 3:46:25 PM2/28/12
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In article <4f4d357e$0$12010$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Well, a lot of the private schools, such as Stanford and Harvard,
are free.
>With WUE, NAU it's less expensive than UCSC, and they guarantee
>the cost for all four years.
A guarantee is nice, that's for sure.
>My daughter applied to Davis, and she'll probably get in, but
>personally I hope she doesn't go there, at least not until Katehi
>resigns.
My son was automatically admitted as a Regents Scholar just based
on numbers, which I think is one reason he didn't put much effort
into non-UC options.
Davis seems like a good fit for him, other than the price hikes and
the prospect of many more. I don't think the president saying
stupid stuff to the media has much, if any, effect on him.
Well, a lot of the private schools, such as Stanford and Harvard,
are free.
>With WUE, NAU it's less expensive than UCSC, and they guarantee
>the cost for all four years.
>My daughter applied to Davis, and she'll probably get in, but
>personally I hope she doesn't go there, at least not until Katehi
>resigns.
on numbers, which I think is one reason he didn't put much effort
into non-UC options.
Davis seems like a good fit for him, other than the price hikes and
the prospect of many more. I don't think the president saying
stupid stuff to the media has much, if any, effect on him.
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 28, 2012, 3:49:11 PM2/28/12
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In article <jijdi3$8b2$1...@dont-email.me>,
reason I've been to any in the past decade or so is being dragged
there, in which case the choice of mall wasn't mine.
(In the olden days, when the kids were small, we would go to malls
as places to walk around. The stores were still useless, other than
say, ice cream.)
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>I usually don't choose any particular shopping center or mall to
>shop at just because the mall itself. I just visit ones that have
>stores I want to shop at on that particular day.
There aren't any stores at malls that I want to shop at. The only
>I usually don't choose any particular shopping center or mall to
>shop at just because the mall itself. I just visit ones that have
>stores I want to shop at on that particular day.
reason I've been to any in the past decade or so is being dragged
there, in which case the choice of mall wasn't mine.
(In the olden days, when the kids were small, we would go to malls
as places to walk around. The stores were still useless, other than
say, ice cream.)
Peter Lawrence
Feb 28, 2012, 3:57:03 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/12 12:46 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
>
> Davis seems like a good fit for him, other than the price hikes and
> the prospect of many more. I don't think the president saying
> stupid stuff to the media has much, if any, effect on him.
I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
>
> Davis seems like a good fit for him, other than the price hikes and
> the prospect of many more. I don't think the president saying
> stupid stuff to the media has much, if any, effect on him.
universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
System charge zero tuition to all California residents. They charged some
modest service "fees" (I think about $900 worth for a full school year,
IIRC). The major expenses for attending a UC school at that time was simply
room & board and the required text books for the courses.
- Peter
Peter Lawrence
Feb 28, 2012, 4:08:44 PM2/28/12
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fitted, like suits), shoes, gifts, home furnishings including things like
glassware, and small appliances?
- Peter
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 4:16:10 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 11:41 am, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
> In article <1469770a-ab3f-43f0-80ff-4f536cf5f...@k29g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
a person:
http://www.pfchangs.com/menu/?sid=9911
>
> >But authenticity is not my only goal when I am having dinner.
>
> Most often, authenticity is not a goal I have at all when eating.
>
> Occasionally, I do like to do some research on the point, though.
If you have a list of places both authentic and good I would like to
see it.
> In article <1469770a-ab3f-43f0-80ff-4f536cf5f...@k29g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
> >> > Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
> >> > ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
> >> > the food surprisingly tasty and good value.
>
> Pointless Fucking Chang's called a good value. Now I've truly seen
> everything. It's literally twice the price of a typical Chinese
> restaurant, for worse food.
Twice the price? Please let me know where I can get this deal for $10
> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > A couple of years ago, they picked P.F.
> >> > Chang's. Still remembering Chester's evaluation of "ointless " "
> >> > ucking," I didn't expect much. But the restaurant was pleasant, and
> >> > the food surprisingly tasty and good value.
>
> Pointless Fucking Chang's called a good value. Now I've truly seen
> everything. It's literally twice the price of a typical Chinese
> restaurant, for worse food.
a person:
http://www.pfchangs.com/menu/?sid=9911
>
> >But authenticity is not my only goal when I am having dinner.
>
> Most often, authenticity is not a goal I have at all when eating.
>
> Occasionally, I do like to do some research on the point, though.
see it.
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 28, 2012, 4:17:30 PM2/28/12
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In article <jijfou$lug$1...@dont-email.me>,
You have to keep in mind that I'm both extremely uninteresting, and
actively dislike stores and shopping.
I haven't bought a suit this millennium. When my regular clothes
wear out, which they do, and that's the only reason I buy more, I
reorder the exact same items from jcp.com (they recently made the
waist of their jeans bigger, which annoys the fuck out of me, FWIW).
I haven't bought a pair of shoes in about a decade, but when my
sandals wear out, I order more from usually campmor.com or reioutlet.com
(but finding decent sandals seems to get harder & harder; for some
reason, they have to change the "styles"). Gifts... no idea what
to make of that; if I give someone something, it's because I have
it. Home furnishings...? I bought a table in '95 or so, if that
counts. Oh, glassware... wow, none this millennium, nor even on
the radar. Small appliances would be whatever a web search turns
up, not that it's a frequent thing. When I moved into this place
in 2004, I bought a variety of lamps and shelving at OSH, which
isn't in a mall.
actively dislike stores and shopping.
I haven't bought a suit this millennium. When my regular clothes
wear out, which they do, and that's the only reason I buy more, I
reorder the exact same items from jcp.com (they recently made the
waist of their jeans bigger, which annoys the fuck out of me, FWIW).
I haven't bought a pair of shoes in about a decade, but when my
sandals wear out, I order more from usually campmor.com or reioutlet.com
(but finding decent sandals seems to get harder & harder; for some
reason, they have to change the "styles"). Gifts... no idea what
to make of that; if I give someone something, it's because I have
it. Home furnishings...? I bought a table in '95 or so, if that
counts. Oh, glassware... wow, none this millennium, nor even on
the radar. Small appliances would be whatever a web search turns
up, not that it's a frequent thing. When I moved into this place
in 2004, I bought a variety of lamps and shelving at OSH, which
isn't in a mall.
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 28, 2012, 4:21:42 PM2/28/12
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In article <4bc0f99a-ae1d-4f82...@j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Twice the price would be an exaggeration. That URL just showed me
a general menu with lots of prices on it, so I'm not sure what I'm
comparing, but I can imagine they have some sort of group menu at
a decent price point (if that's what it is).
>If you have a list of places both authentic and good I would like to
>see it.
As noted, I'm not someone to ask about authentic, since I don't care.
spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Twice the price? Please let me know where I can get this deal for
>$10 a person:
>http://www.pfchangs.com/menu/?sid=3D9911
>Twice the price? Please let me know where I can get this deal for
>$10 a person:
Twice the price would be an exaggeration. That URL just showed me
a general menu with lots of prices on it, so I'm not sure what I'm
comparing, but I can imagine they have some sort of group menu at
a decent price point (if that's what it is).
>If you have a list of places both authentic and good I would like to
>see it.
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 4:24:14 PM2/28/12
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War. Between military contractors and military bases, California was a
net importer of Federal tax dollars. The "zero tuition" plan started
in the waning days of the Eisenhower administration, I believe.
Half the SV natives I worked with when I came had a dad who worked for
Lockheed, Loral, WJ, etc. You couldn't go to a coffee shop in
Sunnyvale without seeing uniformed service personnel. When the 1993
"peace dividend" came about, a bunch of those folks were let go. All
of the bases that ringed the bay were closed. The price of SV houses
dropped substantially, taking five years to recover.
tutall
Feb 28, 2012, 4:25:27 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 12:57 pm, Peter Lawrence <hummb...@aol.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/12 12:46 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
>
> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> universities.
You're not kidding. We sent ours to private as being about the same
>
> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> universities.
cost-wise figuring they'll actually be able to graduate in 4 years or
less, rather than the 5 1/2 or so expected at a UC, and that's NOT
improving soon.
Cost will be slightly more, but they can start their post graduate
life @2 years sooner.
Al Eisner
Feb 28, 2012, 4:28:28 PM2/28/12
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Steve Fenwick wrote:
> In article
> <alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>> Two new restaurants opening at the Stanford Shopping Center, both along
>> the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
>> gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
>
> Smith & Hawken. Crate & Barrel is back by Nordstrom.
Ah, thanks. I thought I was likely getting it wrong, but I couldn't
come up with the right name.
> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> it for food there now.
Max's never had good food. :)
My favorite long-ago place was The Perfect Recipe -- an excellent
assortment of interesting sandwiches, plus salads and good desserts.
Nothing fancy, either food or prices, but nonetheless unique.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
> In article
> <alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>> Two new restaurants opening at the Stanford Shopping Center, both along
>> the side closest to Sand Hill Rd., at the location of what was formerly a
>> gardening/etc. store (Crate and Barrel?):
>
> Smith & Hawken. Crate & Barrel is back by Nordstrom.
Ah, thanks. I thought I was likely getting it wrong, but I couldn't
come up with the right name.
> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> it for food there now.
My favorite long-ago place was The Perfect Recipe -- an excellent
assortment of interesting sandwiches, plus salads and good desserts.
Nothing fancy, either food or prices, but nonetheless unique.
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Todd Michel McComb
Feb 28, 2012, 4:29:59 PM2/28/12
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In article <435754db-9062-40c8...@r1g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
really rubs me the wrong way, in terms of fairness and how things
should be, but it's something that makes attending UC more practical.
tutall <tut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>We sent ours to private as being about the same cost-wise figuring
>they'll actually be able to graduate in 4 years or less, rather
>than the 5 1/2 or so expected at a UC, and that's NOT improving
>soon.
As a Regents Scholar, my son gets first choice of classes. That
>We sent ours to private as being about the same cost-wise figuring
>they'll actually be able to graduate in 4 years or less, rather
>than the 5 1/2 or so expected at a UC, and that's NOT improving
>soon.
really rubs me the wrong way, in terms of fairness and how things
should be, but it's something that makes attending UC more practical.
Al Eisner
Feb 28, 2012, 4:40:01 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Peter Lawrence wrote:
> On 2/27/12 11:24 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>>
>> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>> it for food there now.
>
> Au contraire, there's still a variety of good eats at Stanford Shopping
> Center. Fleming's steakhouse actually has an excellent happy hour deal,
> their ?5 For $6 ?Til 7? bar menu featuring 5 appetizers, 5 premium cocktails
> and 5 wines by the glass for $6 each, served until 7PM every night.
>
> The Neiman Marcus Cafe on the top floor of NM is surprisingly good (who would
> of thought?). Gourmet Franks is still in business after all this years and
> still serving up pretty decent hot dogs and sausages (though I've definitely
> had better elsewhere).
I'm not surprised about Neiman-Marcus, but I've yet to try it. Gourmet Franks
seems overpriced for what one gets -- neither authentic (NY or Chicago)
experiences nor adequate portions.
> The pastries, breads, and sandwiches are excellent at La Baguette.
>
> A relatively newcomer, Cocola Bakery also offers excellent pastries and
> deserts (but their sandwiches and salads just so, so). And for sheer
> indulgence, nothing beats the champagne truffles from Teuscher.
I agree with your assessment, and would only add that I'm turned off by
the prices on the pastries compared to other places. I'd rather walk
over to La Baguette (which, however, often suffers from long lines).
Also, Cocola replaced the Oakville Grocery, which had an excellent cheese
department (diminishing toward the end) and the best sandwiches in the
area, bar none. Another favorite which closed about the same time,
Long-life Noodles has been replaced by something far worse. To me,
those two closings made a big difference in dining options at the
Stanford Center.
I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
I am cautiously optimistic about Yucca de Lac -- it could be in a different
class than nearly all of the rest.
> And I would be remiss if I didn't mention the excellent deli sandwiches that
> are available at Schaub's.
> On 2/27/12 11:24 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>>
>> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>> it for food there now.
>
> Center. Fleming's steakhouse actually has an excellent happy hour deal,
> their ?5 For $6 ?Til 7? bar menu featuring 5 appetizers, 5 premium cocktails
> and 5 wines by the glass for $6 each, served until 7PM every night.
>
> The Neiman Marcus Cafe on the top floor of NM is surprisingly good (who would
> of thought?). Gourmet Franks is still in business after all this years and
> still serving up pretty decent hot dogs and sausages (though I've definitely
> had better elsewhere).
I'm not surprised about Neiman-Marcus, but I've yet to try it. Gourmet Franks
seems overpriced for what one gets -- neither authentic (NY or Chicago)
experiences nor adequate portions.
> The pastries, breads, and sandwiches are excellent at La Baguette.
>
> A relatively newcomer, Cocola Bakery also offers excellent pastries and
> deserts (but their sandwiches and salads just so, so). And for sheer
> indulgence, nothing beats the champagne truffles from Teuscher.
I agree with your assessment, and would only add that I'm turned off by
the prices on the pastries compared to other places. I'd rather walk
over to La Baguette (which, however, often suffers from long lines).
Also, Cocola replaced the Oakville Grocery, which had an excellent cheese
department (diminishing toward the end) and the best sandwiches in the
area, bar none. Another favorite which closed about the same time,
Long-life Noodles has been replaced by something far worse. To me,
those two closings made a big difference in dining options at the
Stanford Center.
I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
I am cautiously optimistic about Yucca de Lac -- it could be in a different
class than nearly all of the rest.
> And I would be remiss if I didn't mention the excellent deli sandwiches that
> are available at Schaub's.
Al Eisner
Feb 28, 2012, 4:47:54 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Peter Lawrence wrote:
didn't address that case.
SMS
Feb 28, 2012, 5:00:50 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/2012 1:25 PM, tutall wrote:
> On Feb 28, 12:57 pm, Peter Lawrence<hummb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 2/28/12 12:46 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
>>
>> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
>> universities.
>
> You're not kidding. We sent ours to private as being about the same
> cost-wise figuring they'll actually be able to graduate in 4 years or
> less, rather than the 5 1/2 or so expected at a UC, and that's NOT
> improving soon.
That's a big issue with UC. You don't have that problem as most of the
> On Feb 28, 12:57 pm, Peter Lawrence<hummb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 2/28/12 12:46 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
>>
>> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
>> universities.
>
> You're not kidding. We sent ours to private as being about the same
> cost-wise figuring they'll actually be able to graduate in 4 years or
> less, rather than the 5 1/2 or so expected at a UC, and that's NOT
> improving soon.
CSUs, and at NAU they made a big point of how they are able to get you
out in four years.
With the scholarships available at private schools they are often cost
competitive with UCs when you take into account the time it takes to
graduate.
SMS
Feb 28, 2012, 5:02:54 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/2012 1:21 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> In article<4bc0f99a-ae1d-4f82...@j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> spamtrap1888<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Twice the price? Please let me know where I can get this deal for
>> $10 a person:
>> http://www.pfchangs.com/menu/?sid=3D9911
>
> Twice the price would be an exaggeration.
Not by much. Maybe 1.75x, but definitely more than 1.5x.
> In article<4bc0f99a-ae1d-4f82...@j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> spamtrap1888<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Twice the price? Please let me know where I can get this deal for
>> $10 a person:
>> http://www.pfchangs.com/menu/?sid=3D9911
>
> Twice the price would be an exaggeration.
Peter Lawrence
Feb 28, 2012, 5:04:16 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/12 1:40 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
>
> I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
My mother and her friends enjoy P.F Chang's a lot. I don't.
>
> I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
For "Americanized" Chinese food, I can't think of a better place on the
mid-Peninsula than Chef Chu's in Los Altos. Don't go there looking for
home-style or truly authentic Chinese dishes. But Chef Chu's does use
first-rate quality ingredients in their preparations and their cooks know
how to cook the food without being overly greasy, soggy, or overly bland.
Also every item on their menu has been "sanitized" for the typical American
taste bud, so it's safe for your aunt from Omaha to order *any* item off
their menu. No menu item will be repugnant (either by looks or taste) to a
traditional Midwesterner's sensibilities.
- Peter
SMS
Feb 28, 2012, 5:11:35 PM2/28/12
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The full effects of proposition 13 were delayed by a booming economy and
using budget surpluses to fund services. In fact we have still not seen
the full effects of proposition 13. Just wait until all those boomers
pass their houses, along with the prop 13 assessed value on to their
children who will be sending their own kids to public schools and
universities while paying a pittance in property tax.
Things will get even more expensive. Not that this is necessarily
unfair. Perhaps UC could implement a policy of allowing students to
deduct the amount that their parents pay in property tax from their tuition.
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 5:24:28 PM2/28/12
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younger people I know have waited to start their families or live in a
house till their old folks entered the nursing home. On our block, the
seniors tend to die in their homes, except for the 90 yo guy whose
daughter made him live with them. Other old folks I know have sold
their houses outright to be able to afford to move, to say Placerville
or Paradise -- you can't take your basis to those counties. So if you
want a slower pace and a lower cost of living, you have to give up
your lower property tax.
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 5:25:14 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 2:02 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/2012 1:21 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
>
> > In article<4bc0f99a-ae1d-4f82-b53e-644545ae7...@j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> On 2/28/2012 1:21 PM, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
>
> > spamtrap1888<spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Twice the price? Please let me know where I can get this deal for
> >> $10 a person:
> >>http://www.pfchangs.com/menu/?sid=3D9911
>
> > Twice the price would be an exaggeration.
>
> Not by much. Maybe 1.75x, but definitely more than 1.5x.
OK, let me know where I can get this deal for $15 a person.
> >> $10 a person:
> >>http://www.pfchangs.com/menu/?sid=3D9911
>
> > Twice the price would be an exaggeration.
>
> Not by much. Maybe 1.75x, but definitely more than 1.5x.
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 5:18:10 PM2/28/12
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to a huge office party upstairs. And P.F. Chang's food tasted better.
Marcella Peek
Feb 28, 2012, 5:43:14 PM2/28/12
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In article <jijf31$hev$1...@dont-email.me>,
What? You've been around since 1880? I graduated in 1983 and at the
time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
schools were not tuition free.
marcella
time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
schools were not tuition free.
marcella
SMS
Feb 28, 2012, 6:00:11 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/2012 2:04 PM, Peter Lawrence wrote:
> On 2/28/12 1:40 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
>>
>> I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
>
> My mother and her friends enjoy P.F Chang's a lot. I don't.
>
> For "Americanized" Chinese food, I can't think of a better place on the
> mid-Peninsula than Chef Chu's in Los Altos. Don't go there looking for
> home-style or truly authentic Chinese dishes. But Chef Chu's does use
> first-rate quality ingredients in their preparations and their cooks
> know how to cook the food without being overly greasy, soggy, or overly
> bland.
Probably true. P.F. Chang's and Chef Chu's are actually pretty similar
> On 2/28/12 1:40 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
>>
>> I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
>
> My mother and her friends enjoy P.F Chang's a lot. I don't.
>
> For "Americanized" Chinese food, I can't think of a better place on the
> mid-Peninsula than Chef Chu's in Los Altos. Don't go there looking for
> home-style or truly authentic Chinese dishes. But Chef Chu's does use
> first-rate quality ingredients in their preparations and their cooks
> know how to cook the food without being overly greasy, soggy, or overly
> bland.
in the type of food they serve but I think it's prepared better, and
with better ingredients, at Chef Chu's.
The restaurant that amazes me is Ming's. They went from a terrible,
over-priced, Americanized Chinese restaurant to a very good restaurant.
My wife's late father worked there in the 1970's when they bused Chinese
workers from SF to Palo Alto and put them up in housing near the
restaurant. He was an excellent chef and it broke his heart to see the
food he was required to prepare at Ming's back then. The new owners
really turned it around.
Al Eisner
Feb 28, 2012, 6:16:41 PM2/28/12
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To take one example, almost all the chicken dishes are $14, compared
to $8.50 at my usual takeout place (Crouching Tiger in Redwood City,
which itself isn't really a cheap place).
I won't address quality, since it's been too many years since I tried
PFC (not in Palo Alto) and was quite unimpressed by the flaovrs of
the food.
Al Eisner
Feb 28, 2012, 6:19:08 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, SMS wrote:
> The restaurant that amazes me is Ming's. They went from a terrible,
> over-priced, Americanized Chinese restaurant to a very good restaurant.
When did that happen, and why did no-one tell us?
> The restaurant that amazes me is Ming's. They went from a terrible,
> over-priced, Americanized Chinese restaurant to a very good restaurant.
> My
> wife's late father worked there in the 1970's when they bused Chinese workers
> from SF to Palo Alto and put them up in housing near the restaurant. He was
> an excellent chef and it broke his heart to see the food he was required to
> prepare at Ming's back then. The new owners really turned it around.
Aahz Maruch
Feb 28, 2012, 6:22:58 PM2/28/12
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In article <d80a1ef6-c06b-4de6...@b1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"Crisis management is a contradiction in terms." --M.A. Foster
spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>My guess is that California's prosperity was an artifact of the Cold
>War. Between military contractors and military bases, California was a
>net importer of Federal tax dollars. The "zero tuition" plan started
>in the waning days of the Eisenhower administration, I believe.
>
>Half the SV natives I worked with when I came had a dad who worked for
>Lockheed, Loral, WJ, etc. You couldn't go to a coffee shop in
>Sunnyvale without seeing uniformed service personnel. When the 1993
>"peace dividend" came about, a bunch of those folks were let go. All
>of the bases that ringed the bay were closed. The price of SV houses
>dropped substantially, taking five years to recover.
Depends where in Silicon Valley; they certainly didn't drop in Palo Alto.
>
>My guess is that California's prosperity was an artifact of the Cold
>War. Between military contractors and military bases, California was a
>net importer of Federal tax dollars. The "zero tuition" plan started
>in the waning days of the Eisenhower administration, I believe.
>
>Half the SV natives I worked with when I came had a dad who worked for
>Lockheed, Loral, WJ, etc. You couldn't go to a coffee shop in
>Sunnyvale without seeing uniformed service personnel. When the 1993
>"peace dividend" came about, a bunch of those folks were let go. All
>of the bases that ringed the bay were closed. The price of SV houses
>dropped substantially, taking five years to recover.
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"Crisis management is a contradiction in terms." --M.A. Foster
Aahz Maruch
Feb 28, 2012, 6:25:28 PM2/28/12
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In article <marcella-3C1A6B...@news.giganews.com>,
"tuition" if you were a state resident at the time I went to UCD -- but
you certainly paid some substantial fees to the school that were nearly
indistinguishable from tuition.
Marcella Peek <marc...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
>In article <jijf31$hev$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
>> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
>> System charge zero tuition to all California residents. They charged some
>> modest service "fees" (I think about $900 worth for a full school year,
>> IIRC). The major expenses for attending a UC school at that time was simply
>> room & board and the required text books for the courses.
>
>In article <jijf31$hev$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
>> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
>> System charge zero tuition to all California residents. They charged some
>> modest service "fees" (I think about $900 worth for a full school year,
>> IIRC). The major expenses for attending a UC school at that time was simply
>> room & board and the required text books for the courses.
>
>What? You've been around since 1880? I graduated in 1983 and at the
>time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
>was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
>schools were not tuition free.
You're both right, but Peter is more correct. There were no fees named
>time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
>was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
>schools were not tuition free.
"tuition" if you were a state resident at the time I went to UCD -- but
you certainly paid some substantial fees to the school that were nearly
indistinguishable from tuition.
SMS
Feb 28, 2012, 6:29:35 PM2/28/12
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On 2/28/2012 3:19 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, SMS wrote:
>
>> The restaurant that amazes me is Ming's. They went from a terrible,
>> over-priced, Americanized Chinese restaurant to a very good restaurant.
>
> When did that happen, and why did no-one tell us?
1991. It was widely reported.
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, SMS wrote:
>
>> The restaurant that amazes me is Ming's. They went from a terrible,
>> over-priced, Americanized Chinese restaurant to a very good restaurant.
>
> When did that happen, and why did no-one tell us?
The kept some of the original American dishes like chicken salad and
Ming's beef.
I never went back there until my old boss, from Taiwan, took me there
for lunch a few years back. I also went to a wedding banquet there a few
years ago. What a difference compared to the old Ming's. Of course the
old Ming's served what they thought white people wanted to eat. Just
like Chef Chu's and P.F. Chang's do now.
Aahz Maruch
Feb 28, 2012, 6:34:24 PM2/28/12
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In article <jijj12$a75$1...@dont-email.me>,
I've certainly had them at Chef Chu's in the past.)
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>For "Americanized" Chinese food, I can't think of a better place on the
>mid-Peninsula than Chef Chu's in Los Altos. Don't go there looking for
>home-style or truly authentic Chinese dishes. But Chef Chu's does use
>first-rate quality ingredients in their preparations and their cooks know
>how to cook the food without being overly greasy, soggy, or overly bland.
>
>Also every item on their menu has been "sanitized" for the typical American
>taste bud, so it's safe for your aunt from Omaha to order *any* item off
>their menu. No menu item will be repugnant (either by looks or taste) to a
>traditional Midwesterner's sensibilities.
Dan dan noodles? (Hrm, doesn't seem to be on their current menu, but
>
>For "Americanized" Chinese food, I can't think of a better place on the
>mid-Peninsula than Chef Chu's in Los Altos. Don't go there looking for
>home-style or truly authentic Chinese dishes. But Chef Chu's does use
>first-rate quality ingredients in their preparations and their cooks know
>how to cook the food without being overly greasy, soggy, or overly bland.
>
>Also every item on their menu has been "sanitized" for the typical American
>taste bud, so it's safe for your aunt from Omaha to order *any* item off
>their menu. No menu item will be repugnant (either by looks or taste) to a
>traditional Midwesterner's sensibilities.
I've certainly had them at Chef Chu's in the past.)
Ciccio
Feb 28, 2012, 7:21:24 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 9:41 am, sms88 <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/2012 9:25 AM, Julian Macassey wrote:
>
> > P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> > people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
> Except that in the midwest you'd be better off at P.F. Chang's or Panda
> Express than one of the local Chinese restaurants.
One of the best Chinese meals I've ever had was in a restaurant
in...Leavenworth, KS.
Ciccio
> On 2/28/2012 9:25 AM, Julian Macassey wrote:
>
> > P.F. Chang's is the sort of place that serves food that
> > people in the Midwest would call Chinese.
> Except that in the midwest you'd be better off at P.F. Chang's or Panda
> Express than one of the local Chinese restaurants.
One of the best Chinese meals I've ever had was in a restaurant
in...Leavenworth, KS.
Ciccio
spamtrap1888
Feb 28, 2012, 7:05:52 PM2/28/12
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Steve Pope
Feb 28, 2012, 7:35:42 PM2/28/12
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SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>It's sad, but not unexpected.
>The full effects of proposition 13 were delayed by a booming economy and
>using budget surpluses to fund services. In fact we have still not seen
>the full effects of proposition 13. Just wait until all those boomers
>pass their houses, along with the prop 13 assessed value on to their
>children who will be sending their own kids to public schools and
>universities while paying a pittance in property tax.
>Things will get even more expensive. Not that this is necessarily
>unfair. Perhaps UC could implement a policy of allowing students to
>deduct the amount that their parents pay in property tax from their tuition.
Sorry, but Prop 13 has nothing to do with funding problems
>It's sad, but not unexpected.
>The full effects of proposition 13 were delayed by a booming economy and
>using budget surpluses to fund services. In fact we have still not seen
>the full effects of proposition 13. Just wait until all those boomers
>pass their houses, along with the prop 13 assessed value on to their
>children who will be sending their own kids to public schools and
>universities while paying a pittance in property tax.
>Things will get even more expensive. Not that this is necessarily
>unfair. Perhaps UC could implement a policy of allowing students to
>deduct the amount that their parents pay in property tax from their tuition.
in California schools. California's combined state and local tax rates
(relative to GDP) place it close to the top of all states.
Yet is spends relatively little on education.
Indeed, a big part of the problem is all the ill-informed harping
about Prop 13, rather than addressing the spending-side problems
that are keeping large volumes of tax money away from the schools:
Prisons, Caltrans, and (dare I say it) unions, who at this point
are more anti-labor than the general public.
The taxpayers are already doing their part. Squeezing them
more without addressing the greed factor will not accomplish
anything, the money will still be sucked away before it gets
to the schools.
Steve
Don Martinich
Feb 28, 2012, 8:17:56 PM2/28/12
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In article <jihati$2prk$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
> In article
> <dmartinich-B5035...@londonmet-140-097-196-216.londonmet.ac.uk>,
> Don Martinich <dmart...@att.net> wrote:
> >Well, it looks like they are trying for more variety and they say
> >they are promoting sustainability and good nutrition. I haven't
> >eaten there in 3 or 4 years but the food service is still run by
> >Sodexo http://www.sodexousa.com/ . So, I'm a little skeptical.
>
> Hmm, well, I'm just going by what I was told regarding how it is
> organized there. Apparently I'm not too clear on the details.
>
> Regarding skepticism, I can't say, since having to eat the food
> every day is the real test, but it sure seemed better than other
> schools we visited.
As I said, I haven't eaten on campus for a while so I can't really
criticize. I was just demonstrating my low opinion of corporate food
services. Decent food on campus would be a real morale boost for dorm
dwellers and I hope they are getting it.
D.M.
mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
> In article
> <dmartinich-B5035...@londonmet-140-097-196-216.londonmet.ac.uk>,
> Don Martinich <dmart...@att.net> wrote:
> >Well, it looks like they are trying for more variety and they say
> >they are promoting sustainability and good nutrition. I haven't
> >eaten there in 3 or 4 years but the food service is still run by
> >Sodexo http://www.sodexousa.com/ . So, I'm a little skeptical.
>
> Hmm, well, I'm just going by what I was told regarding how it is
> organized there. Apparently I'm not too clear on the details.
>
> Regarding skepticism, I can't say, since having to eat the food
> every day is the real test, but it sure seemed better than other
> schools we visited.
As I said, I haven't eaten on campus for a while so I can't really
criticize. I was just demonstrating my low opinion of corporate food
services. Decent food on campus would be a real morale boost for dorm
dwellers and I hope they are getting it.
D.M.
Steve Fenwick
Feb 28, 2012, 8:18:17 PM2/28/12
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In article
<alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
trouble getting around the feeling that it's the steakhouse version of
P.F. Chang's. You mention the price--is the food good? Or can you easily
believe that it comes from big bags from Sysco?
> > The pastries, breads, and sandwiches are excellent at La Baguette.
La Baguette isn't where I'd normally go for a meal, but they do often
have long lines.
> > A relatively newcomer, Cocola Bakery also offers excellent pastries and
> > deserts (but their sandwiches and salads just so, so). And for sheer
> > indulgence, nothing beats the champagne truffles from Teuscher.
>
> I agree with your assessment, and would only add that I'm turned off by
> the prices on the pastries compared to other places. I'd rather walk
> over to La Baguette (which, however, often suffers from long lines).
I've been away since Cocola opened, I think. Or I skipped it, as we have
lost much use for the area back there since we stopped going to Max's.
> Also, Cocola replaced the Oakville Grocery, which had an excellent cheese
> department (diminishing toward the end) and the best sandwiches in the
> area, bar none. Another favorite which closed about the same time,
> Long-life Noodles has been replaced by something far worse. To me,
> those two closings made a big difference in dining options at the
> Stanford Center.
>
> I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
>
> I am cautiously optimistic about Yucca de Lac -- it could be in a different
> class than nearly all of the rest.
>
> > And I would be remiss if I didn't mention the excellent deli sandwiches
> > that
> > are available at Schaub's.
Again, take-out sandwiches. Compare and contrast with the excellent
comfort food at Sandy's or the early 90s Max's.
Steve
--
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"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
<alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Peter Lawrence wrote:
>
> > On 2/27/12 11:24 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
> >>
> >> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> >> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> >> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> >> it for food there now.
> >
> > Au contraire, there's still a variety of good eats at Stanford Shopping
> > Center. Fleming's steakhouse actually has an excellent happy hour deal,
> > their ?5 For $6 ?Til 7? bar menu featuring 5 appetizers, 5 premium
> > cocktails
> > and 5 wines by the glass for $6 each, served until 7PM every night.
I've looked at the menu outside Fleming's a few times, and am having
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Peter Lawrence wrote:
>
> > On 2/27/12 11:24 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
> >>
> >> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> >> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> >> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> >> it for food there now.
> >
> > Au contraire, there's still a variety of good eats at Stanford Shopping
> > Center. Fleming's steakhouse actually has an excellent happy hour deal,
> > their ?5 For $6 ?Til 7? bar menu featuring 5 appetizers, 5 premium
> > cocktails
> > and 5 wines by the glass for $6 each, served until 7PM every night.
trouble getting around the feeling that it's the steakhouse version of
P.F. Chang's. You mention the price--is the food good? Or can you easily
believe that it comes from big bags from Sysco?
> > The pastries, breads, and sandwiches are excellent at La Baguette.
have long lines.
> > A relatively newcomer, Cocola Bakery also offers excellent pastries and
> > deserts (but their sandwiches and salads just so, so). And for sheer
> > indulgence, nothing beats the champagne truffles from Teuscher.
>
> I agree with your assessment, and would only add that I'm turned off by
> the prices on the pastries compared to other places. I'd rather walk
> over to La Baguette (which, however, often suffers from long lines).
lost much use for the area back there since we stopped going to Max's.
> Also, Cocola replaced the Oakville Grocery, which had an excellent cheese
> department (diminishing toward the end) and the best sandwiches in the
> area, bar none. Another favorite which closed about the same time,
> Long-life Noodles has been replaced by something far worse. To me,
> those two closings made a big difference in dining options at the
> Stanford Center.
>
> I am glad that you had the good taste to not mention P.F.Chang's.... :)
>
> I am cautiously optimistic about Yucca de Lac -- it could be in a different
> class than nearly all of the rest.
>
> > And I would be remiss if I didn't mention the excellent deli sandwiches
> > that
> > are available at Schaub's.
comfort food at Sandy's or the early 90s Max's.
Steve
--
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
Steve Fenwick
Feb 28, 2012, 8:24:51 PM2/28/12
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In article <jijnki$er5$1...@panix5.panix.com>,
bit; I think it was already on the rise within three years.
aa...@pobox.com (Aahz Maruch) wrote:
> In article <d80a1ef6-c06b-4de6...@b1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >My guess is that California's prosperity was an artifact of the Cold
> >War. Between military contractors and military bases, California was a
> >net importer of Federal tax dollars. The "zero tuition" plan started
> >in the waning days of the Eisenhower administration, I believe.
> >
> >Half the SV natives I worked with when I came had a dad who worked for
> >Lockheed, Loral, WJ, etc. You couldn't go to a coffee shop in
> >Sunnyvale without seeing uniformed service personnel. When the 1993
> >"peace dividend" came about, a bunch of those folks were let go. All
> >of the bases that ringed the bay were closed. The price of SV houses
> >dropped substantially, taking five years to recover.
>
> Depends where in Silicon Valley; they certainly didn't drop in Palo Alto.
We bought in Mountain View in 1992, after the market had dropped quite a
> In article <d80a1ef6-c06b-4de6...@b1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >My guess is that California's prosperity was an artifact of the Cold
> >War. Between military contractors and military bases, California was a
> >net importer of Federal tax dollars. The "zero tuition" plan started
> >in the waning days of the Eisenhower administration, I believe.
> >
> >Half the SV natives I worked with when I came had a dad who worked for
> >Lockheed, Loral, WJ, etc. You couldn't go to a coffee shop in
> >Sunnyvale without seeing uniformed service personnel. When the 1993
> >"peace dividend" came about, a bunch of those folks were let go. All
> >of the bases that ringed the bay were closed. The price of SV houses
> >dropped substantially, taking five years to recover.
>
> Depends where in Silicon Valley; they certainly didn't drop in Palo Alto.
bit; I think it was already on the rise within three years.
Steve Fenwick
Feb 28, 2012, 8:35:58 PM2/28/12
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In article
<alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
to the back seating area and replaced it by the slanted beam--they had a
few excellent things, including a crispy appetizer. But even as long ago
as 2002, I was referring to the Stanford Max's as already having gone
downhill.
<alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>
> > Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> > Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> > ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> > it for food there now.
>
> Max's never had good food. :)
Back before the mid-90s remodel--the one in which they took out the arch
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>
> > Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
> > Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
> > ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
> > it for food there now.
>
> Max's never had good food. :)
to the back seating area and replaced it by the slanted beam--they had a
few excellent things, including a crispy appetizer. But even as long ago
as 2002, I was referring to the Stanford Max's as already having gone
downhill.
evergene
Feb 28, 2012, 9:02:23 PM2/28/12
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Todd Michel McComb wrote:
This:
>You have to keep in mind that I'm both extremely uninteresting,
is contradicted by everything that follows.
>and actively dislike stores and shopping.
>
>I haven't bought a suit this millennium. When my regular clothes
>wear out, which they do, and that's the only reason I buy more, I
>reorder the exact same items from jcp.com (they recently made the
>waist of their jeans bigger, which annoys the fuck out of me, FWIW).
>I haven't bought a pair of shoes in about a decade, but when my
>sandals wear out, I order more from usually campmor.com or reioutlet.com
>(but finding decent sandals seems to get harder & harder; for some
>reason, they have to change the "styles"). Gifts... no idea what
>to make of that; if I give someone something, it's because I have
>it. Home furnishings...? I bought a table in '95 or so, if that
>counts. Oh, glassware... wow, none this millennium, nor even on
>the radar. Small appliances would be whatever a web search turns
>up, not that it's a frequent thing. When I moved into this place
>in 2004, I bought a variety of lamps and shelving at OSH, which
>isn't in a mall.
This:
>You have to keep in mind that I'm both extremely uninteresting,
is contradicted by everything that follows.
>and actively dislike stores and shopping.
>
>I haven't bought a suit this millennium. When my regular clothes
>wear out, which they do, and that's the only reason I buy more, I
>reorder the exact same items from jcp.com (they recently made the
>waist of their jeans bigger, which annoys the fuck out of me, FWIW).
>I haven't bought a pair of shoes in about a decade, but when my
>sandals wear out, I order more from usually campmor.com or reioutlet.com
>(but finding decent sandals seems to get harder & harder; for some
>reason, they have to change the "styles"). Gifts... no idea what
>to make of that; if I give someone something, it's because I have
>it. Home furnishings...? I bought a table in '95 or so, if that
>counts. Oh, glassware... wow, none this millennium, nor even on
>the radar. Small appliances would be whatever a web search turns
>up, not that it's a frequent thing. When I moved into this place
>in 2004, I bought a variety of lamps and shelving at OSH, which
>isn't in a mall.
Tim May
Feb 28, 2012, 10:03:20 PM2/28/12
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On 2012-02-29 01:17:56 +0000, Don Martinich said:
> As I said, I haven't eaten on campus for a while so I can't really
> criticize. I was just demonstrating my low opinion of corporate food
> services. Decent food on campus would be a real morale boost for dorm
> dwellers and I hope they are getting it.
"Tonight at 11: Better campus food turns the "Freshman 15" into the
> As I said, I haven't eaten on campus for a while so I can't really
> criticize. I was just demonstrating my low opinion of corporate food
> services. Decent food on campus would be a real morale boost for dorm
> dwellers and I hope they are getting it.
"Freshman 25."
When I entered UCSB 1970, the food was pretty good. Especially given
the variety. If the enchiladas didn't look so great, there were
burgers. And salad bars. And blueberry yogurt (which I'd never
had--consider the times).
And one of my roommates the following year did indeed put on 20-30
pounds. The following year he was on strict orders from his parents to
control his eating better. (After college he took up long distance
running and was almost thin when I saw him several years ago.)
--
Tim May
Steve Pope
Feb 29, 2012, 12:04:02 AM2/29/12
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California's prosperity initially got a kick-start due to the land grab
and property grab from the former Spanish and Mexican owners. When
the U.S. grabbed California there was already a viable economy
built up and in place.
On topic, it is also why California has better food on average
than the rest of the U.S. -- the Mediterranean influence, as opposed
to the (gack) Anglo influence.
Steve
and property grab from the former Spanish and Mexican owners. When
the U.S. grabbed California there was already a viable economy
built up and in place.
On topic, it is also why California has better food on average
than the rest of the U.S. -- the Mediterranean influence, as opposed
to the (gack) Anglo influence.
Steve
Julian Macassey
Feb 29, 2012, 12:10:16 AM2/29/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:22:24 -0800, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Julian is just an anti-Chainite. He hates all restaurant chains. ;)
And for good reason.
--
This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with
Negroes, entertainers, and any others. - Harry J. Anslinger
>
> Julian is just an anti-Chainite. He hates all restaurant chains. ;)
And for good reason.
--
This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with
Negroes, entertainers, and any others. - Harry J. Anslinger
Julian Macassey
Feb 29, 2012, 12:12:35 AM2/29/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:25:36 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 12:38 pm, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
>
>> I haven't been there, and probably never will (since Stanford
>> Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go),
>
> Depends what you go there for. It's pretty nice for people watching on
> a warm summer day.
If your idea of people watching is scantily clad teenage
girls, you can do that on any day of the year at UC Santa
Barbara. You can tell if it's cold, they wear Uggs with the
mini-skirts.
> On Feb 27, 12:38 pm, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
>
>> I haven't been there, and probably never will (since Stanford
>> Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go),
>
> Depends what you go there for. It's pretty nice for people watching on
> a warm summer day.
If your idea of people watching is scantily clad teenage
girls, you can do that on any day of the year at UC Santa
Barbara. You can tell if it's cold, they wear Uggs with the
mini-skirts.
jcdill
Feb 29, 2012, 1:24:14 AM2/29/12
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On 28/02/12 12:57 PM, Peter Lawrence wrote:
> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
> System charge zero tuition to all California residents.
It's still zero "tuition". What has changed...
> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
> System charge zero tuition to all California residents.
> They charged
> some modest service "fees"
Because they don't charge tuition, vets couldn't get their tuition^w
fees paid with the GI bill. There was a big to-do over this a few years
ago. The state decided to change the description of what they bill the
VA for "educational fee/tuition" so that the fees would be covered by
the GI Bill's tuition payment program.
http://www.military.com/news/article/fixing-new-gi-bill-california-tuition-glitch.html
jc
spamtrap1888
Feb 29, 2012, 1:34:10 AM2/29/12
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On Feb 28, 9:04 pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
> California's prosperity initially got a kick-start due to the land grab
> and property grab from the former Spanish and Mexican owners. When
> the U.S. grabbed California there was already a viable economy
> built up and in place.
An economy based on salted cattle hides and the labor of converts
> California's prosperity initially got a kick-start due to the land grab
> and property grab from the former Spanish and Mexican owners. When
> the U.S. grabbed California there was already a viable economy
> built up and in place.
hardly seems like a path to wealth. (When the US seized California,
the discovery of gold was still months in the future.)
>
> On topic, it is also why California has better food on average
> than the rest of the U.S. -- the Mediterranean influence, as opposed
> to the (gack) Anglo influence.
>
acorn porridge of the original inhabitants.
Tim May
Feb 29, 2012, 3:50:33 AM2/29/12
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On 2012-02-29 05:12:35 +0000, Julian Macassey said:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:25:36 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 12:38 pm, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't been there, and probably never will (since Stanford
>>> Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go),
>>
>> Depends what you go there for. It's pretty nice for people watching on
>> a warm summer day.
>
> If your idea of people watching is scantily clad teenage
> girls, you can do that on any day of the year at UC Santa
> Barbara. You can tell if it's cold, they wear Uggs with the
> mini-skirts.
I was back there a few years ago, for some kind of reunion, and, man,
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:25:36 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 12:38 pm, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't been there, and probably never will (since Stanford
>>> Shopping Center isn't my idea of a good place to go),
>>
>> Depends what you go there for. It's pretty nice for people watching on
>> a warm summer day.
>
> If your idea of people watching is scantily clad teenage
> girls, you can do that on any day of the year at UC Santa
> Barbara. You can tell if it's cold, they wear Uggs with the
> mini-skirts.
were the nearly naked chicks hot! They weren't naked, just a lot less
clothed than the chicks in most parts of California. Must be something
in the water.
A few were on bicycles near me between the Psychology building
(unchanged since 1970) and the College of Creative Studies building
(one major move since 1970). Wow. Almost like the good old days of the
bra-less chicks and short-shorts. The early 1970s were some mighty fine
years.
Of course, I felt my age. I was nearly 40 years older than these chicks
in their see-through tops and short shorts. C'est la vie.
I think this one was my last reunion. I've already written-off another
return to a high school reunion (no young women anywhere to be seen,
but still kind of strange and pervy), and now I think I've written off
any return to any college event. Just too many years have passed.
--
Tim May
Peter Lawrence
Feb 29, 2012, 3:54:08 AM2/29/12
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On 2/28/12 5:18 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
> In article
> <alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner<eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Peter Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 2/27/12 11:24 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>>>> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>>>> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>>>> it for food there now.
>>>
>>> Au contraire, there's still a variety of good eats at Stanford Shopping
>>> Center. Fleming's steakhouse actually has an excellent happy hour deal,
>>> their ?5 For $6 ?Til 7? bar menu featuring 5 appetizers, 5 premium
>>> cocktails
>>> and 5 wines by the glass for $6 each, served until 7PM every night.
>
> I've looked at the menu outside Fleming's a few times, and am having
> trouble getting around the feeling that it's the steakhouse version of
> P.F. Chang's. You mention the price--is the food good? Or can you easily
> believe that it comes from big bags from Sysco?
The appetizers are fine, as are the cocktails, and the steaks. As
> In article
> <alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner<eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Peter Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 2/27/12 11:24 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>>>> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>>>> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>>>> it for food there now.
>>>
>>> Au contraire, there's still a variety of good eats at Stanford Shopping
>>> Center. Fleming's steakhouse actually has an excellent happy hour deal,
>>> their ?5 For $6 ?Til 7? bar menu featuring 5 appetizers, 5 premium
>>> cocktails
>>> and 5 wines by the glass for $6 each, served until 7PM every night.
>
> I've looked at the menu outside Fleming's a few times, and am having
> trouble getting around the feeling that it's the steakhouse version of
> P.F. Chang's. You mention the price--is the food good? Or can you easily
> believe that it comes from big bags from Sysco?
steakhouses go, it's not as good as Alexander's, but pretty comparable to
Sundance down the street on El Camino. In my eyes, it's a quality
establishment, even though it's a chain.
that. IMHO the food at NM Cafe is better than Max (even the Max of the
early '90's), and far better than what was ever served at Sandy's.
Frankly, I don't understand your fond memories of Sandy's Kitchen. I
remember dining at Sandy's when I was still a wee little lad back in the
late 1960's, and even as a child I wasn't impressed with them. The only
saving grace to Sandy's was that they served better food than the lunch
counter at the shopping center's Woolworth. But I preferred the food at
Stickney's at T&C Village over Sandy's as a kid. And far better than both
of them was Blum's, located at Stanford Shopping Center next door to the I.
Magnin department store (now the Macy's Men Store at Stanford).
- Peter
Tim May
Feb 29, 2012, 4:20:18 AM2/29/12
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On 2012-02-29 05:10:16 +0000, Julian Macassey said:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:22:24 -0800, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Julian is just an anti-Chainite. He hates all restaurant chains. ;)
>
> And for good reason.
Nothing wrong with anti-Canaanites.
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:22:24 -0800, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Julian is just an anti-Chainite. He hates all restaurant chains. ;)
>
> And for good reason.
Tell the six million to head to the shores and then swim west.
(Funny, whenever the "six million" number is invoked, there are way
more than six million left after the putative annilation of the "six
million." The "six million" were totally annihilated in WW II, we are
told, and yet 9 million were newly arrived in the U.S., other parts of
Europe, etc.
Some kind of Jew magic?
--
Tim May
Marcella Peek
Feb 29, 2012, 10:45:35 AM2/29/12
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In article <jijnp8$4cg$1...@panix5.panix.com>,
When Ronald Reagan was governor of California (1967 - 1975) he
introduced tuition to UC's (as well as other cost cutting measures
around the state, sigh)
While the schools were initially founded to be "tuition free" it's been
a very long time since that was the case.
marcella
aa...@pobox.com (Aahz Maruch) wrote:
> In article <marcella-3C1A6B...@news.giganews.com>,
> Marcella Peek <marc...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
> >In article <jijf31$hev$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> >> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
> >> System charge zero tuition to all California residents. They charged some
> >> modest service "fees" (I think about $900 worth for a full school year,
> >> IIRC). The major expenses for attending a UC school at that time was
> >> simply
> >> room & board and the required text books for the courses.
> >
> >What? You've been around since 1880? I graduated in 1983 and at the
> >time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
> >was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
> >schools were not tuition free.
>
> You're both right, but Peter is more correct. There were no fees named
> "tuition" if you were a state resident at the time I went to UCD -- but
> you certainly paid some substantial fees to the school that were nearly
> indistinguishable from tuition.
Nope.
> In article <marcella-3C1A6B...@news.giganews.com>,
> Marcella Peek <marc...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
> >In article <jijf31$hev$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> >> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
> >> System charge zero tuition to all California residents. They charged some
> >> modest service "fees" (I think about $900 worth for a full school year,
> >> IIRC). The major expenses for attending a UC school at that time was
> >> simply
> >> room & board and the required text books for the courses.
> >
> >What? You've been around since 1880? I graduated in 1983 and at the
> >time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
> >was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
> >schools were not tuition free.
>
> You're both right, but Peter is more correct. There were no fees named
> "tuition" if you were a state resident at the time I went to UCD -- but
> you certainly paid some substantial fees to the school that were nearly
> indistinguishable from tuition.
When Ronald Reagan was governor of California (1967 - 1975) he
introduced tuition to UC's (as well as other cost cutting measures
around the state, sigh)
While the schools were initially founded to be "tuition free" it's been
a very long time since that was the case.
marcella
spamtrap1888
Feb 29, 2012, 10:52:17 AM2/29/12
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On Feb 29, 7:45 am, Marcella Peek <marce...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
> In article <jijnp8$4c...@panix5.panix.com>,
> a...@pobox.com (Aahz Maruch) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <marcella-3C1A6B.14431428022...@news.giganews.com>,
> > Marcella Peek <marce...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
> > >In article <jijf31$he...@dont-email.me>,
apparently, from covering the cost of items incidental to instruction
to covering part of the cost of instruction (the original sense of the
word tuition is instruction) itself. The 1960 Master Plan ratified the
"tuition-free" policy.
Unfamiliar with the "tuition-free" policy, I remember being surprised
on a visit in 1982 that UCB sold their course schedules in the
bookstore.
> In article <jijnp8$4c...@panix5.panix.com>,
> a...@pobox.com (Aahz Maruch) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <marcella-3C1A6B.14431428022...@news.giganews.com>,
> > Marcella Peek <marce...@extra.peek.org> wrote:
> > >In article <jijf31$he...@dont-email.me>,
> > > Peter Lawrence <hummb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> > >> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
> > >> System charge zero tuition to all California residents. They charged some
> > >> modest service "fees" (I think about $900 worth for a full school year,
> > >> IIRC). The major expenses for attending a UC school at that time was
> > >> simply
> > >> room & board and the required text books for the courses.
>
> > >What? You've been around since 1880? I graduated in 1983 and at the
> > >time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
> > >was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
> > >schools were not tuition free.
>
> > You're both right, but Peter is more correct. There were no fees named
> > "tuition" if you were a state resident at the time I went to UCD -- but
> > you certainly paid some substantial fees to the school that were nearly
> > indistinguishable from tuition.
>
> Nope.
>
> When Ronald Reagan was governor of California (1967 - 1975) he
> introduced tuition to UC's (as well as other cost cutting measures
> around the state, sigh)
>
> While the schools were initially founded to be "tuition free" it's been
> a very long time since that was the case.
Since 1960, California's university fees gradually evolved,
>
> > >> I think it's extremely sad what has happened to California's public
> > >> universities. When I was college-aged (back in the early 1980's), the UC
> > >> System charge zero tuition to all California residents. They charged some
> > >> modest service "fees" (I think about $900 worth for a full school year,
> > >> IIRC). The major expenses for attending a UC school at that time was
> > >> simply
> > >> room & board and the required text books for the courses.
>
> > >What? You've been around since 1880? I graduated in 1983 and at the
> > >time tuition for UCLA was about $3,000 a year. For a state school it
> > >was about $800. Then there was dorms, food plan, books etc. The
> > >schools were not tuition free.
>
> > You're both right, but Peter is more correct. There were no fees named
> > "tuition" if you were a state resident at the time I went to UCD -- but
> > you certainly paid some substantial fees to the school that were nearly
> > indistinguishable from tuition.
>
> Nope.
>
> When Ronald Reagan was governor of California (1967 - 1975) he
> introduced tuition to UC's (as well as other cost cutting measures
> around the state, sigh)
>
> While the schools were initially founded to be "tuition free" it's been
> a very long time since that was the case.
apparently, from covering the cost of items incidental to instruction
to covering part of the cost of instruction (the original sense of the
word tuition is instruction) itself. The 1960 Master Plan ratified the
"tuition-free" policy.
Unfamiliar with the "tuition-free" policy, I remember being surprised
on a visit in 1982 that UCB sold their course schedules in the
bookstore.
Al Eisner
Feb 29, 2012, 12:47:19 PM2/29/12
to
way that no other business has something precisely equivalent. What I can
say, however, that $40 for two is way more than one should have to pay for
a meal in a Chinese restaurant. You could argue that it's a "four-course
meal" but that's only an out if you agree that they are serving you way more
food than two people need. I remain entirely unimpressed.
Ciccio
Feb 29, 2012, 12:41:23 PM2/29/12
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On Feb 29, 12:50 am, Tim May <tc...@att.net> wrote:
> Of course, I felt my age. I was nearly 40 years older than these chicks
> in their see-through tops and short shorts. C'est la vie.
Balderdash!
> Of course, I felt my age. I was nearly 40 years older than these chicks
> in their see-through tops and short shorts. C'est la vie.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2077562/Flavio-Briatore-gets-hold-wife-Elisabettas-fabulous-figure.html
Ciccio
Al Eisner
Feb 29, 2012, 12:52:30 PM2/29/12
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Al Eisner
Feb 29, 2012, 12:58:56 PM2/29/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Steve Fenwick wrote:
> In article
> <alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>>
>>> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>>> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>>> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>>> it for food there now.
>>
>> Max's never had good food. :)
>
> Back before the mid-90s remodel--the one in which they took out the arch
> to the back seating area and replaced it by the slanted beam--they had a
> few excellent things, including a crispy appetizer. But even as long ago
> as 2002, I was referring to the Stanford Max's as already having gone
> downhill.
I concede that there might have been a few good items which I never
> In article
> <alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Steve Fenwick wrote:
>>
>>> Stanford Mall used to have good food (Max's in the old days; Sandy's
>>> Kitchen) many, many bizbees ago. Palo Alto Creamery still has good
>>> ambience (outside, anyway) and decent corned beef hash, but that's about
>>> it for food there now.
>>
>> Max's never had good food. :)
>
> Back before the mid-90s remodel--the one in which they took out the arch
> to the back seating area and replaced it by the slanted beam--they had a
> few excellent things, including a crispy appetizer. But even as long ago
> as 2002, I was referring to the Stanford Max's as already having gone
> downhill.
tried. (What is a "crispy appetizer" Sounds rather generic.) But
the items they most pushed, i.e., NY-style deli, were never any good.
The desserts were tempting, but in practice too sweet and a sort of
overkill (perhaps literally).
Al Eisner
Feb 29, 2012, 1:00:55 PM2/29/12
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(But I don't think that "rarely drink beer" thing applies.)
spamtrap1888
Feb 29, 2012, 1:02:57 PM2/29/12
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On Feb 29, 9:41 am, Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Feb 29, 12:50 am, Tim May <tc...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Of course, I felt my age. I was nearly 40 years older than these chicks
> > in their see-through tops and short shorts. C'est la vie.
>
> Balderdash!
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2077562/Flavio-Briatore-...
> On Feb 29, 12:50 am, Tim May <tc...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Of course, I felt my age. I was nearly 40 years older than these chicks
> > in their see-through tops and short shorts. C'est la vie.
>
> Balderdash!
>
>
She's only 30 years younger than he is. I guess a background in
fashion, Formula 1 racing, and soccer team ownership outweighs a
paunch and manboobs.
Al Eisner
Feb 29, 2012, 1:16:06 PM2/29/12
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the reference here. Too bad!
By the way, I'd estimate that more than 3/4 of my own visits to the
Stanford Shopping Center are food-targeted -- specifically, Sigona's
produce market.
Ciccio
Feb 29, 2012, 1:30:45 PM2/29/12
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On Feb 29, 9:52 am, Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Inside or outside you-know-what? Inqiring minds want to know. :)
Heh. You-know-what doesn't have a restaurant. Though, I did have a
> Inside or outside you-know-what? Inqiring minds want to know. :)
meal there. The Chinese restaurant I'm referring to was about a mile
or two east from you-know-what. There I had a Szechuan lamb dish that
blew the doors off most Chinese dishes I've had in the BA.
Ciccio
SMS
Feb 29, 2012, 2:17:04 PM2/29/12
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On 2/28/2012 1:08 PM, Peter Lawrence wrote:
> So where to you shop for clothing (especially clothing that needs to be
> fitted, like suits), shoes, gifts, home furnishings including things
> like glassware, and small appliances?
Plenty of places outside malls for all of those items. Costco, Ikea,
Target, Walmart, and a lot of shoe stores. Suits are iffy. Costco
occasionally has fitted suits in a road show. JC Penney has a lot of
choices in lower end wool suit separates, but I suppose since it's in a
mall that doesn't count.
How often do a lot of people wear suits anyway? Some never do.
> So where to you shop for clothing (especially clothing that needs to be
> fitted, like suits), shoes, gifts, home furnishings including things
> like glassware, and small appliances?
Plenty of places outside malls for all of those items. Costco, Ikea,
Target, Walmart, and a lot of shoe stores. Suits are iffy. Costco
occasionally has fitted suits in a road show. JC Penney has a lot of
choices in lower end wool suit separates, but I suppose since it's in a
mall that doesn't count.
How often do a lot of people wear suits anyway? Some never do.
spamtrap1888
Feb 29, 2012, 2:21:46 PM2/29/12
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There are no haberdashers any more. The closest thing is the Men's
Wearhouse, which usually is in a freestanding store, perhaps on the
periphery of a mall.
Peter Lawrence
Feb 29, 2012, 2:31:33 PM2/29/12
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On 2/29/12 11:21 AM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> The old suit store chains (e.g. Hastings) are long out of business.
> There are no haberdashers any more. The closest thing is the Men's
> Wearhouse, which usually is in a freestanding store, perhaps on the
> periphery of a mall.
Even though the store does a large business in women's fashion, I would
>
> The old suit store chains (e.g. Hastings) are long out of business.
> There are no haberdashers any more. The closest thing is the Men's
> Wearhouse, which usually is in a freestanding store, perhaps on the
> periphery of a mall.
consider the Wilkes Bashford two-store chain, a haberdasher.
- Peter
Ciccio
Feb 29, 2012, 2:32:57 PM2/29/12
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On Feb 29, 11:21 am, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The old suit store chains (e.g. Hastings) are long out of business.
> There are no haberdashers any more. The closest thing is the Men's
> Wearhouse, which usually is in a freestanding store, perhaps on the
> periphery of a mall.
I go to Brooks Brothers in SF, which is not in a mall. Though I
> The old suit store chains (e.g. Hastings) are long out of business.
> There are no haberdashers any more. The closest thing is the Men's
> Wearhouse, which usually is in a freestanding store, perhaps on the
> periphery of a mall.
believe there is also one at the Stanford Mall.
Ciccio
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