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evergene

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May 11, 2012, 7:51:08 PM5/11/12
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A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky? At most of the bars in my
neighborhood, I'd rather not greet the bartender with "I'd like a
Cocky Americano, please."

The interview is here, and be aware, the bartender expresses his low
opinion of dirty martinis, claiming that they taste like a dishrag. He
doesn't say whether he did a blind taste test.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/entertainment/food-and-wine/2012/05/meet-your-mixologist-local-edition

Cocchi Americano:
http://www.cocchi.it/eng/americano.htm

Travis James

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May 11, 2012, 8:05:17 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/2012 4:51 PM, evergene wrote:
> A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
> cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
> pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky? At most of the bars in my
> neighborhood, I'd rather not greet the bartender with "I'd like a
> Cocky Americano, please."

Wikipedia's pronunciation guide says the equivalent of "cocky."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocchi_Americano

>
> The interview is here, and be aware, the bartender expresses his low
> opinion of dirty martinis, claiming that they taste like a dishrag. He

I've tried the dirty twice and agree. I think my tastes just don't like it.

Steve Pope

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May 11, 2012, 8:07:27 PM5/11/12
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evergene <ge...@geeaitcheekaygee.com> wrote:

>A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
>cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
>pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky?

If it's intended to be Italian, then COKE-kee.

"Cocchi" fails to auto-detect as a word in any language in Bing
Translator, and is not a word in my Italian dictionary. However,
"cocchio" means coach or chariot in Italian. If this is the implication,
then in my experience cocktails so named are variations of a sidecar.



Steve

Steve Pope

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May 11, 2012, 8:12:37 PM5/11/12
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Travis James <travis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 5/11/2012 4:51 PM, evergene wrote:
>> A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
>> cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
>> pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky? At most of the bars in my
>> neighborhood, I'd rather not greet the bartender with "I'd like a
>> Cocky Americano, please."
>
>Wikipedia's pronunciation guide says the equivalent of "cocky."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocchi_Americano

Interesting, thanks.

(If it's an Italian name, then "cocky" is almost certainly not how
it's pronounced.)



Steve

Aahz Maruch

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May 11, 2012, 8:32:11 PM5/11/12
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In article <a68rq7tpi5avaid4e...@4ax.com>,
evergene <ge...@geeaitcheekaygee.com> wrote:
>
>A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
>cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
>pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky? At most of the bars in my
>neighborhood, I'd rather not greet the bartender with "I'd like a
>Cocky Americano, please."

Cocchi Cocchi Coo!
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Peter Lawrence

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May 11, 2012, 8:33:25 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/12 4:51 PM, evergene wrote:
>
> A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
> cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
> pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky? At most of the bars in my
> neighborhood, I'd rather not greet the bartender with "I'd like a
> Cocky Americano, please."

But why would you want to pronounce it anyway if all you want to do is order
a Gibson?

;)

Peter Lawrence

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May 11, 2012, 8:36:02 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/12 5:07 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> If it's intended to be Italian, then COKE-kee.
>
> "Cocchi" fails to auto-detect as a word in any language in Bing
> Translator, and is not a word in my Italian dictionary.

Google Translate auto-detected as an Italian word. It's English
translation: cocci.

:)

Steve Pope

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May 11, 2012, 8:42:00 PM5/11/12
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Good work. In other words, it means bacteria.

There's even an Italian wiki page:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocco_(biologia)



Steve

Peter Lawrence

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May 11, 2012, 9:01:00 PM5/11/12
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Yeah, I noticed that connection too. I guess that's what makes the Cocchi
aperitif cocchi. ;)


- Peter

Tony Lima

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May 11, 2012, 9:16:51 PM5/11/12
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Why I subscribe to this group. Thanks for an enlightening, entertaining
discussion. Bing xlate vs Google xlate smackdown an added bonus. T

evergene

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May 11, 2012, 9:55:01 PM5/11/12
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True. If all I wanted to do is to order a Gibson, I'd be more
concerned with how to pronounce Gibson than how to pronounce Cocchi.
But if I want to buy a bottle of Cocchi Americano, I'd like to sound
at least as sophisticated as when I ask for a bottle of merlott.
Likewise if I want to try Cocchi Americano straight, at a bar, before
I buy that bottle.

But if Travis James is right, then when I get to the bar, I'll have to
request a straight Cocky Americano. And who knows where _that_ might
lead!?

Peter Lawrence

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May 11, 2012, 10:40:21 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/12 6:55 PM, evergene wrote:
> Peter Lawrence wrote:
>> On 5/11/12 4:51 PM, evergene wrote:
>>>
>>> A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
>>> cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
>>> pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky? At most of the bars in my
>>> neighborhood, I'd rather not greet the bartender with "I'd like a
>>> Cocky Americano, please."
>>
>> But why would you want to pronounce it anyway if all you want to do is order
>> a Gibson?
>>
>> ;)
>
> True. If all I wanted to do is to order a Gibson, I'd be more
> concerned with how to pronounce Gibson than how to pronounce Cocchi.
> But if I want to buy a bottle of Cocchi Americano, I'd like to sound
> at least as sophisticated as when I ask for a bottle of merlott.
> Likewise if I want to try Cocchi Americano straight, at a bar, before
> I buy that bottle.

Well, I can see the problem of trying to have just a glass of it at a bar. I
would guess one solution would be, even it's unsophisticated, just find the
bottle of it at the back of the bar and then just tell the bartender that
you just want a glass of that aperitif (while you point at the bottle).
Problem solved.

Of course, if you just want to purchase a bottle of it without sounding like
a boob, the solution is even easier. Just order it online:

http://www.amantivino.com/r/products/cocchi-americano-aperitif-wine

:)


- Peter

Peter Lawrence

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May 11, 2012, 10:48:00 PM5/11/12
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K&L even carries it locally:

http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1016274

(But hurry, there's only three bottles on stock at its San Francisco store.)


- Peter

Travis James

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May 12, 2012, 12:45:24 AM5/12/12
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On 5/11/12 6:55 PM, evergene wrote:
> But if Travis James is right, then when I get to the bar, I'll have to
> request a straight Cocky Americano. And who knows where _that_ might
> lead!?

If you are assaulted or laughed at, don't shoot me. I'm only the
messenger. :-)

Al Eisner

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May 12, 2012, 9:23:55 PM5/12/12
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On Fri, 11 May 2012, evergene wrote:

> Peter Lawrence wrote:
>
>> On 5/11/12 4:51 PM, evergene wrote:
>>>
>>> A local bartender interviewed in the SF Examiner gives a recipe for a
>>> cocktail that includes an aperitif called Cocchi Americano. How do you
>>> pronounce Cocchi? Cokie? Cocky? At most of the bars in my
>>> neighborhood, I'd rather not greet the bartender with "I'd like a
>>> Cocky Americano, please."
>>
>> But why would you want to pronounce it anyway if all you want to do is order
>> a Gibson?
>>
>> ;)
>
> True. If all I wanted to do is to order a Gibson, I'd be more
> concerned with how to pronounce Gibson than how to pronounce Cocchi.
> But if I want to buy a bottle of Cocchi Americano, I'd like to sound
> at least as sophisticated as when I ask for a bottle of merlott.
> Likewise if I want to try Cocchi Americano straight, at a bar, before
> I buy that bottle.

Just point to your throat and make some raspy noises, suggesting that
you have severe laryngitis. Then hand the bartender a piece of paper with
the name written out.

> But if Travis James is right, then when I get to the bar, I'll have to
> request a straight Cocky Americano. And who knows where _that_ might
> lead!?
--

Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA

Meg Worley

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May 13, 2012, 8:02:45 AM5/13/12
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evergene writes:
>But if Travis James is right, then when I get to the bar, I'll have to
>request a straight Cocky Americano. And who knows where _that_ might
>lead!?

So the guy hands you a mirror; worse things have happened.

ObFood: Mediocre scrambled eggs in Terminal 5 at JFK.


Rage away,

meg




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Peter Lawrence

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May 13, 2012, 12:18:52 PM5/13/12
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On 5/13/12 5:02 AM, Meg Worley wrote:
>
> ObFood: Mediocre scrambled eggs in Terminal 5 at JFK.
>
>
> Rage away,
>
> meg

So did you end up buying any chocolates as gifts?


- Peter

evergene

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May 13, 2012, 2:03:48 PM5/13/12
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Meg Worley wrote:

>evergene writes:
>>But if Travis James is right, then when I get to the bar, I'll have to
>>request a straight Cocky Americano. And who knows where _that_ might
>>lead!?
>
>So the guy hands you a mirror; worse things have happened.

I warned you up front that the bartender was was not a fan of dirty
martinis.

>ObFood: Mediocre scrambled eggs in Terminal 5 at JFK.

I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

Meg Worley

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May 14, 2012, 2:31:35 PM5/14/12
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Peter asks:
>So did you end up buying any chocolates as gifts?

I shrugged and went to See's, after Himself reminded me that I
was buying for people who don't share my hifalutin tastes.
Run up the flag, declare victory, and go home.

Peter Lawrence

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May 14, 2012, 2:41:18 PM5/14/12
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On 5/14/12 11:31 AM, Meg Worley wrote:
> Peter asks:
>>
>> So did you end up buying any chocolates as gifts?
>
> I shrugged and went to See's, after Himself reminded me that I
> was buying for people who don't share my hifalutin tastes.
> Run up the flag, declare victory, and go home.

Don't know if you're a Costco member, but if you are it's always good to
have on hand See's Gift Certificates from Costco. Saves around 20% IIRC
when ever you want to buy some See's candies.

Also, many places of employment get a corporate discount at select See's
shops, like that one on El Camino Real in Sunnyvale (near Bernardo). The
corporate discount sometimes is better than the discount one can achieve
through the Costco gift certificates.


- Peter

Al Eisner

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May 14, 2012, 6:47:04 PM5/14/12
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On Sun, 13 May 2012, evergene wrote:

> Meg Worley wrote:
>
>> evergene writes:
>>> But if Travis James is right, then when I get to the bar, I'll have to
>>> request a straight Cocky Americano. And who knows where _that_ might
>>> lead!?
>>
>> So the guy hands you a mirror; worse things have happened.
>
> I warned you up front that the bartender was was not a fan of dirty
> martinis.

Not being very well-informed about cocktails, I finally looked up
"dirty martini". While searching via google, I came up with this
(the first wiki hit), complete with photograph:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Martini_%28burlesque%29

Not what I expected. (I did eventually get an alternative answer.)

>> ObFood: Mediocre scrambled eggs in Terminal 5 at JFK.
>
> I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

evergene

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May 14, 2012, 8:33:24 PM5/14/12
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Al Eisner wrote:

>On Sun, 13 May 2012, evergene wrote to Meg:

>> I warned you up front that the bartender was was not a fan of dirty
>> martinis.
>
>Not being very well-informed about cocktails, I finally looked up
>"dirty martini". While searching via google, I came up with this
>(the first wiki hit), complete with photograph:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Martini_%28burlesque%29

I would ask you to bear in mind, as you study those pictures of Dirty
Martini (born Linda Marraccini), winner of the Jennie Lee award for
tassel twirling at Miss Exotic World in 2004, that Meg recently wrote
to sf:
"glad to hear you're a dirty martini girl too"

Tony Lima

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May 14, 2012, 11:11:58 PM5/14/12
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Al wrote this:
Not being very well-informed about cocktails, I finally looked up "dirty
martini". While searching via google, I came up with this (the first wiki
hit), complete with photograph:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Martini_%28burlesque%29

Not what I expected. (I did eventually get an alternative answer.)
----------

Now THAT'S a dirty martini!

Al, fix your newsreader. I can't automatically quote tour messages any
more. T

Steve Fenwick

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May 14, 2012, 11:49:34 PM5/14/12
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In article <joo7t5$8ck$1...@usenet.stanford.edu>,
m...@steam.Stanford.EDU (Meg Worley) wrote:

> evergene writes:
> >But if Travis James is right, then when I get to the bar, I'll have to
> >request a straight Cocky Americano. And who knows where _that_ might
> >lead!?
>
> So the guy hands you a mirror; worse things have happened.
>
> ObFood: Mediocre scrambled eggs in Terminal 5 at JFK.

Oh, that's too bad. I had an ok lunch there a couple of years back; far,
far better than the other end of that flight, at Long Beach.

Steve

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arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

spamtrap1888

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May 15, 2012, 2:34:18 AM5/15/12
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On May 14, 8:11 pm, Tony Lima <t...@gonzoecon.com> wrote:
> Al wrote this:
> Not being very well-informed about cocktails, I finally looked up "dirty
> martini". While searching via google, I came up with this (the first wiki
> hit), complete with photograph:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Martini_%28burlesque%29
>
> Not what I expected. (I did eventually get an alternative answer.)
> ----------
>
> Now THAT'S a dirty martini!


Eye bleach alert!! But I suppose a female impersonator who was
apparently born female is worth seeing.

Al Eisner

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May 15, 2012, 1:38:39 PM5/15/12
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That is a problem at your end. (First, because that's where any
quoting or non-quoting is done. Second, just look at any other reply
on ba.food.)

Tony Lima

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My mobile newsreader is Newstap on the iPad. I can get
every other usenet message I've tried to quote -- except
yours. If you have any advice, I'd love to hear it. Thanks,
Al.

BTW, I'm sending this from Forte' Agent which remains my
single favorite news and mail processor. If they made a
version for the Mac I'd snap it up in an instant. - T

Al Eisner

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May 15, 2012, 4:47:20 PM5/15/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012, Peter Lawrence wrote:

> On 5/14/12 11:31 AM, Meg Worley wrote:
>> Peter asks:
>>>
>>> So did you end up buying any chocolates as gifts?
>>
>> I shrugged and went to See's, after Himself reminded me that I
>> was buying for people who don't share my hifalutin tastes.
>> Run up the flag, declare victory, and go home.
>
> Don't know if you're a Costco member, but if you are it's always good to have
> on hand See's Gift Certificates from Costco. Saves around 20% IIRC when ever
> you want to buy some See's candies.

But doesn't one normally have to buy the gift certificate?

> Also, many places of employment get a corporate discount at select See's
> shops, like that one on El Camino Real in Sunnyvale (near Bernardo). The
> corporate discount sometimes is better than the discount one can achieve
> through the Costco gift certificates.

Is it a Costco Gift Certificate or a See's Gift Certificate which is
purchased at Costco (assuming one can find it, a general problem I have
with many items at Costco).

Al Eisner

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May 15, 2012, 6:22:27 PM5/15/12
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Not doing anything different than I ever have.

But I do know of problems in non-Usenet contexts that some Mac users have
with proper reading/replying in a forum. (I don't use a Mac.)

Peter Lawrence

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On 5/15/12 1:47 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
>
> Is it a Costco Gift Certificate or a See's Gift Certificate which is
> purchased at Costco (assuming one can find it, a general problem I have
> with many items at Costco).

I was referring to the See's Gift Certificates one can purchase at a
discount at Costco.


- Peter

Tony Lima

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On Tue, 15 May 2012 15:22:27 -0700, Al Eisner
I got Macs and PCs here -- thanks for the help. My current
guess is that it's an application-specific problem. I'll
let the publisher know. - Tony

Travis James

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On 5/15/2012 8:37 PM, Tony Lima wrote:
> I got Macs and PCs here -- thanks for the help. My current
> guess is that it's an application-specific problem. I'll
> let the publisher know. - Tony

I'm a daily Mac (home and iOS programming) and PC (work) user. I use
Thunderbird on both for my Usenet habit. What's handy is if you put your
profile in a Dropbox folder, everything stays in sync (read posts,
killfiles, ignored threads). The only thing to remember is to shut down
Tbird when finished or you get file conflicts.

Tony Lima

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Nothing for iOs?

spamtrap1888

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May 16, 2012, 5:10:47 PM5/16/12
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On May 16, 2:07 pm, Tony Lima <t...@gonzoecon.com> wrote:
Hey Tony -- did you know there was an "Anthony Lima" commenting at the
Paul Krugman blog?

Travis James

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May 16, 2012, 8:25:57 PM5/16/12
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No, the iPad and iPod Touch are Usenet free zones. ;-)

Steve Fenwick

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In article <jp1gil$vbo$1...@dont-email.me>,
Huh? NewsTap has been out since like iOS 1.0. There's even an
iPad-specific version.

<http://mobile.clauss-net.de/NewsTap/>

Tony Lima

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Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <jp1gil$vbo$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Travis James <travis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2012 2:07 PM, Tony Lima wrote:
>>> Travis James<travis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/15/2012 8:37 PM, Tony Lima wrote:
>>>>> I got Macs and PCs here -- thanks for the help. My current
>>>>> guess is that it's an application-specific problem. I'll
>>>>> let the publisher know. - Tony
>>>>
>>>> I'm a daily Mac (home and iOS programming) and PC (work) user. I use
>>>> Thunderbird on both for my Usenet habit. What's handy is if you put your
>>>> profile in a Dropbox folder, everything stays in sync (read posts,
>>>> killfiles, ignored threads). The only thing to remember is to shut down
>>>> Tbird when finished or you get file conflicts.
>>>
>>> Nothing for iOs?
>>
>> No, the iPad and iPod Touch are Usenet free zones. ;-)
>
> Huh? NewsTap has been out since like iOS 1.0. There's even an
> iPad-specific version.
>
> <http://mobile.clauss-net.de/NewsTap/>
>
Which is what I'm using. Somewhere back up this thread I believe I
mentioned that. T

Travis James

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May 17, 2012, 1:36:43 AM5/17/12
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I wasn't clear. That's my fault. I tried Newstap a long while back and
didn't care for it. What I meant to say is **my** iDevices are Usenet
free. I get what I want from Usenet via my 8-10 hours, 5 days a week
(and then some more on the weekend) at a PC or Mac.

The ba.* groups are dying a slow death. ba.food has held its own. One of
the liveliest (sp?) groups was ba.broadcast. I've read and lightly
participated for years. It seems to have finally petered out.
ba.internet is getting pretty darn close too.

Tony Lima

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No, you are not at fault. I confused two different parts of
the thread. Earlier today I found a key I thought I had
lost. It was in the pocket of a pair of pants I had already
searched twice. Mental decline ... sigh. My apologies. (I
think I need a macro for that phrase.) - Tony

Travis James

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May 18, 2012, 11:02:49 AM5/18/12
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On 5/17/2012 9:48 PM, Tony Lima wrote:
> No, you are not at fault. I confused two different parts of
> the thread. Earlier today I found a key I thought I had
> lost. It was in the pocket of a pair of pants I had already
> searched twice. Mental decline ... sigh. My apologies. (I
> think I need a macro for that phrase.) - Tony

That's a great sig line.

Tony Lima

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May 20, 2012, 9:31:16 PM5/20/12
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Actually, the NY Times calls me Tony Lima. Can you please
send a url to a blog post that this imposter has posted to?
(It might be me, but the search function finds nothing.)
Thanks. - Tony

spamtrap1888

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May 21, 2012, 1:25:55 AM5/21/12
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Happy to oblige. I suppose there could be an "Anthony Lima, San Jose,"
and I don't know your home city, but the coincidence of name and Bay
Area made me ask.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/panics-happen/?comments#permid=23

Tony Lima

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> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/panics-happen/?comments#permid#

Wow, that's sure not me! Thanks for the pointer, I'll have to post
something about that. T

Steve Pope

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May 21, 2012, 9:45:56 PM5/21/12
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Tony Lima <to...@gonzoecon.com> wrote:

>spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/panics-happen/?comments#permid#

>Wow, that's sure not me! Thanks for the pointer, I'll have to post
>something about that. T

One almost wants to believe it's deliberate impostering.

Steve

Tony Lima

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May 22, 2012, 1:57:54 AM5/22/12
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Steve? Is that you? :) - T

evergene

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May 22, 2012, 10:31:11 AM5/22/12
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Steve Pope wrote:

>One almost wants to believe it's deliberate impostering.

I gotta say, with your "impostering" and "genociding," you verb nouns
more than anyone I know.

pfraser

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May 22, 2012, 10:45:11 AM5/22/12
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I had a boss who used to do that all the time. It took a lot
of efforting, but he managed.

Pete

Todd Michel McComb

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May 22, 2012, 1:34:09 PM5/22/12
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In article <jpg8pr$c4n$1...@dont-email.me>,
pfraser <pete_...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I had a boss who used to do that all the time. It took a lot
>of efforting, but he managed.

Clearly he was a man of actioning.

Al Eisner

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Colbert might say he was actionly, but of course that is adverbinb
rather than verbing. (Just so long as there is no prepositioning
going on.)

Tony Lima

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May 22, 2012, 5:36:35 PM5/22/12
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You folks all have way too much time on your hands. - T
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