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Steve Fenwick

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Dec 4, 2011, 2:13:25 AM12/4/11
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My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
Costco still selling it?

Steve

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"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
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used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

spamtrap1888

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Dec 4, 2011, 2:21:37 AM12/4/11
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On Dec 3, 11:13 pm, Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
> Costco still selling it?
>

If not, also check Smart and Final. I haven't been shopping the soft
drink section in either place, unfortunately.



SMS

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Dec 4, 2011, 12:52:13 PM12/4/11
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On 12/3/2011 11:13 PM, Steve Fenwick wrote:
> My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
> Costco still selling it?
>
> Steve

I see it at a lot of restaurants so I don't think there's a shortage. Or
maybe there is a shortage because so many restaurants are selling it.

Mark Mellin

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Dec 4, 2011, 1:06:01 PM12/4/11
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In article <nospam-D86687....@news.eternal-september.org>,
Steve Fenwick wrote:

> My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
> Costco still selling it?

Can't speak for Costco, but BevMo's site for pick-up orders notes
100+ bottles of "Coke Mexican (12 OZ)" available at their RWC and
Menlo Park stores as of Sunday morning.

- Mark

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Mark Mellin San Mateo Village, CA 94403 USA

evergene

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Dec 4, 2011, 1:22:15 PM12/4/11
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Steve Fenwick wrote:

>My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
>Costco still selling it?
>
>Steve

That's the trouble with this newsgroup. You open a message hoping to
find out where to score some crack, and you get soda pop.

spamtrap1888

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Dec 4, 2011, 1:54:58 PM12/4/11
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"The Panic in Lithia Park"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067549/ but with Fenwick played by Al
Pacino.

Mark Mellin

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Dec 4, 2011, 6:05:33 PM12/4/11
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In article
<mellin-2B8F8A....@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Mark Mellin wrote:
> Steve Fenwick wrote:
>
> > My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
> > Costco still selling it?
>
> Can't speak for Costco, but BevMo's site for pick-up orders notes
> 100+ bottles of "Coke Mexican (12 OZ)" available at their RWC and
> Menlo Park stores as of Sunday morning.

I'll add that I noted six cases at the San Mateo (E. Hillsdale Blvd.)
BevMo while running errands this morning. Oddly enough, their website
claims they are out of stock at this particular store.

Al Eisner

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Dec 4, 2011, 7:03:36 PM12/4/11
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"You"? What a thing to say to Steve!

By the way, I had lunch today at the Salvadorean restaurant/pupuseria
in Mountain View known as "Donut Field". They had old-fashioned-looking
bottles of coke; I failed to check the label, however (nor did I consume
any), although I'm pretty sure (based on the overall beverage selection)
thay they were Mexican. Pupusas pretty good, not at all greasy, but the
curtado was quite mild, rather closer to American-style cole slaw than I
normally expect.
--

Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA

Al Eisner

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Dec 4, 2011, 7:05:51 PM12/4/11
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To a vinegary cole slaw, that is, not the creamy style.
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Steve Fenwick

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Dec 4, 2011, 11:01:50 PM12/4/11
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In article
<e010cc0c-500d-49e6...@x7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
I look more like Roger Ebert (pre-cancer) than Pacino at any stage. But
thanks anyway!

Steve Fenwick

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Dec 4, 2011, 11:08:16 PM12/4/11
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In article
<alpine.LRH.2.00.1...@iris01.slac.stanford.edu>,
If they were glass and larger than 8 ounces, they were almost certainly
Mexican. The only glass U.S.-bottled Coke I seem to find is the 8 ounce
holiday edition, which is the same stuff as in the cans and (non-kosher)
plastic bottles. Dr. Pepper, on the other hand, still comes out of that
one plant in Texas in 8 ounce bottles.

It looks like my usual vendor is either just having trouble with their
warehouse, or someone in their buying chain is playing games. While they
were out of Coke, they had plenty of glass-bottled Pepsi on hand.

As it turns out, I found another source (a bit longer drive, but still
reasonable) at a much better price point ($0.78 per instead of $1.25, or
sometimes $1.50). So it's all worked out okay in the end.

Thanks for all the feedback in my hour of need.

Tim May

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Dec 5, 2011, 1:06:55 AM12/5/11
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On 2011-12-04 20:08:16 -0800, Steve Fenwick said:
> If they were glass and larger than 8 ounces, they were almost certainly
> Mexican. The only glass U.S.-bottled Coke I seem to find is the 8 ounce
> holiday edition, which is the same stuff as in the cans and (non-kosher)
> plastic bottles. Dr. Pepper, on the other hand, still comes out of that
> one plant in Texas in 8 ounce bottles.
>
> It looks like my usual vendor is either just having trouble with their
> warehouse, or someone in their buying chain is playing games. While they
> were out of Coke, they had plenty of glass-bottled Pepsi on hand.
>
> As it turns out, I found another source (a bit longer drive, but still
> reasonable) at a much better price point ($0.78 per instead of $1.25, or
> sometimes $1.50). So it's all worked out okay in the end.
>
> Thanks for all the feedback in my hour of need.

I've seen a couple of double blind tests of HFCS vs. Cane Sugar and the
results are that people really cannot pick out one over the other.

I rarely drink sugar water, but my conclusion is that "Mexican Coke is
a tax on Mexicans, and Jews who buy Mexican Coke for Passover, and for
various other gullible frat-boys, super-tasters, etc."

In line with with this, the HFCS people are doing ads along the same
lines, that the chemical composition of the sucrose in both is
identical.

Like I said, I rarely buy sugared water. But if I buy a Coke, it won't
be the 2x as expensive "Mexican Coke."

--
Tim May

sf

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Dec 5, 2011, 1:43:22 AM12/5/11
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:06:55 -0800, Tim May <tc...@att.net> wrote:

> I rarely drink sugar water, but my conclusion is that "Mexican Coke is
> a tax on Mexicans, and Jews who buy Mexican Coke for Passover, and for
> various other gullible frat-boys, super-tasters, etc."
>
> In line with with this, the HFCS people are doing ads along the same
> lines, that the chemical composition of the sucrose in both is
> identical.
>
> Like I said, I rarely buy sugared water. But if I buy a Cok

I'm with you right up to the conclusion. If I had a real choice, I'd
pick cane sugar over beet sugar or HFCS, not because of taste -
because that's what I want.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Jon

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Dec 5, 2011, 3:07:18 AM12/5/11
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I drink diet Coke because the HFCS version tastes like chemicals.

I'm not anxious to pick up the extra calories from the Mexican
sugarcane version, though that sounds like an improvement for the
regular version.

Do they have a better version of the diet variety?

SMS

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Dec 5, 2011, 9:39:32 AM12/5/11
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On 12/4/2011 10:43 PM, sf wrote:

> I'm with you right up to the conclusion. If I had a real choice, I'd
> pick cane sugar over beet sugar or HFCS, not because of taste -
> because that's what I want.

I have conducted taste tests of HFCS Coke versus Sucrose Coke (Passover
Coke) versus Mexican Coke. Same temperature, unmarked cups. The results
were consistently:

1. Mexican Coke
2. Passover Coke
3. HFCS Coke

BTW, Passover Coke in the 2 liter bottles is the same price as HFCS Coke
in the 2 liter bottles; they have the same UPC code. You can only tell
the difference by the bottle caps.

Of course the best choice is no Coke at all.

Dan Abel

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Dec 5, 2011, 10:39:13 AM12/5/11
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In article <lrpod79bk2r9rvv3m...@4ax.com>,
Sometimes I think that advertising is kind of silly. Still, it works.
People will buy things solely because they are advertised. Not because
they are better, are people like them better, but just because they are
advertised.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California

spamtrap1888

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Dec 5, 2011, 12:02:06 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 5, 12:07 am, Jon <N...@body.com> wrote:
> I drink diet Coke because the HFCS version tastes like chemicals.

?!?

All the artificially sweetened drinks taste like a chem lab to me. The
least obnoxious is Diet Dr. Pepper.

>
> I'm not anxious to pick up the extra calories from the Mexican
> sugarcane version, though that sounds like an improvement for the
> regular version.
>
> Do they have a better version of the diet variety?

Who knows what you would consider to be better? FWIW, Mexican "Coke
Zero" used to contain cyclamate, but no longer.


spamtrap1888

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Dec 5, 2011, 12:03:48 PM12/5/11
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The Mexi Coke I got from S&F was nothing special. I really like
Passover Coke though. Did you run your taste test at Passover time?

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 5, 2011, 12:51:10 PM12/5/11
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In article <4edcd7a5$0$1731$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>Of course the best choice is no Coke at all.

Yes. This seems like an easy situation. The popularity of this
stuff is simply boggling. If anything deserved the epithet narsty,
this is it.

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 5, 2011, 2:12:27 PM12/5/11
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Supposedly, American Coca-Cola has a better version of the diet variety.
It's called Coke Zero.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of any colas. Don't know what's really
appealing about the "cola" taste. I'd rather drink a beer. :)

But if I have to choose a soft drink, I'd rather choose a non-carbonated
diet soft drink with a citrus taste like SoBe Lean or Minute Maid Light
Lemonade.


- Peter

Aahz Maruch

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Dec 5, 2011, 3:17:17 PM12/5/11
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In article <jbj0ae$2ns2$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
Have you ever had a hummingbird feeder? If yes, then I boggle at your
boggle. ;-)
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"My get-up-and-go got up and left."

sf

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Dec 5, 2011, 3:39:14 PM12/5/11
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 06:39:32 -0800, SMS <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

> Of course the best choice is no Coke at all.

That's what I choose 9 years out of 10, but when I do choose it - I
want real cane sugar.

sf

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Dec 5, 2011, 3:40:02 PM12/5/11
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On 5 Dec 2011 09:51:10 -0800, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb)
wrote:
Oh, come on. Don't be such a snob.

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 5, 2011, 4:36:05 PM12/5/11
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On 12/5/11 12:40 PM, sf wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2011 09:51:10 -0800, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb)
> wrote:
>> In article<4edcd7a5$0$1731$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>> SMS<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course the best choice is no Coke at all.
>>
>> Yes. This seems like an easy situation. The popularity of this
>> stuff is simply boggling. If anything deserved the epithet narsty,
>> this is it.
>
> Oh, come on. Don't be such a snob.

What's it being a snob? Even as a kid, I didn't find the taste of cola all
that appealing. Even back then, I preferred other soft drinks to Coke.


- Peter

pfraser

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Dec 5, 2011, 4:49:30 PM12/5/11
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sf wrote:
> when I do choose it - I want real cane sugar.

I assume you don't care as long as it's sucrose.
Would beet taste any different?

sf

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Dec 5, 2011, 4:52:03 PM12/5/11
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:36:05 -0800, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
wrote:
Listen, I don't like soft drinks in general and never drink them
unless there's booze mixed in - but I'm not being a snob about it.

sf

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:49:30 -0800, pfraser <pete_...@comcast.net>
wrote:
I guess you missed the point. Taste isn't the reason.

Peter Lawrence

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I really don't think Todd describing Coke as narsty was being snobbish in
any way. He was just stating his strong dislike of it.

Anyhow, how can someone who uses the word narsty even be thought of as being
snobbish? I truly doubt that the word narsty is in any true snobs
vocabulary. ;)


- Peter

Peter Lawrence

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On 12/5/11 1:52 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:49:30 -0800, pfraser<pete_...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> when I do choose it - I want real cane sugar.
>>
>> I assume you don't care as long as it's sucrose.
>> Would beet taste any different?
>
> I guess you missed the point. Taste isn't the reason.

Then what *IS* the reason for your preference of cane sugar over beet sugar?


- Peter

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 5, 2011, 5:18:08 PM12/5/11
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In article <jbj8sd$ode$1...@panix5.panix.com>, Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Have you ever had a hummingbird feeder? If yes, then I boggle at
>your boggle. ;-)

Do hummingbirds drink Coke?

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 5, 2011, 5:20:10 PM12/5/11
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In article <jbjf35$fi9$2...@dont-email.me>,
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Then what *IS* the reason for your preference of cane sugar over
>beet sugar?

Snobbery, of course. :-)

sf

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Dec 5, 2011, 5:20:57 PM12/5/11
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:03:17 -0800, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
wrote:
Soft drinks are not a need, they're a want - and I want mine made with
cane sugar. What's so hard to understand about that?

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 5, 2011, 5:25:42 PM12/5/11
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Nothing.

But what is so hard to understand about my question, asking for the *reason*
why your prefer soft drinks made from cane sugar over beet sugar.
Especially, since you have stated that taste isn't the reason.

So if taste isn't the reason for your preference, then what is?


- Peter

sf

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Dec 5, 2011, 5:43:26 PM12/5/11
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:25:42 -0800, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
I don't need a reason. If I can find it and I can afford it, I'll buy
it. Just like you guys are with audio equipment and cars.

sf

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Dec 5, 2011, 5:44:29 PM12/5/11
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:43:26 -0800, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:

> I don't need a reason.

Meaning I don't do phony justifications like men do.

pfraser

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Dec 5, 2011, 5:54:59 PM12/5/11
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sf wrote:

> I don't need a reason. If I can find it and I can afford it, I'll buy
> it. Just like you guys are with audio equipment and cars.

I certainly wouldn't want to deny you your right to
get sucrose from any source you want.

However, I'm puzzled. There is no difference between
sucrose from beets or sucrose from cane.
They're not similar or equivalent; they're identical.

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 5, 2011, 6:07:04 PM12/5/11
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In article <07iqd759ulqt2ag0g...@4ax.com>,
sf <sf.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just like you guys are with audio equipment and cars.

Huh?

Travis James

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Dec 5, 2011, 6:39:06 PM12/5/11
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On 12/4/2011 4:03 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2011, evergene wrote:
>
>> Steve Fenwick wrote:
>>
>>> My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
>>> Costco still selling it?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> That's the trouble with this newsgroup. You open a message hoping to
>> find out where to score some crack, and you get soda pop.
>
> "You"? What a thing to say to Steve!
>
> By the way, I had lunch today at the Salvadorean restaurant/pupuseria
> in Mountain View known as "Donut Field". They had old-fashioned-looking
> bottles of coke; I failed to check the label, however (nor did I consume
> any), although I'm pretty sure (based on the overall beverage selection)
> thay they were Mexican. Pupusas pretty good, not at all greasy, but the
> curtado was quite mild, rather closer to American-style cole slaw than I
> normally expect.

The Mountain View Salvadorian known as Tacqueria La Bamba (the original
on Old Middlefield and Rengstorff) has the Mexican bottled cokes.

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 5, 2011, 6:44:02 PM12/5/11
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On 12/5/11 2:44 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:43:26 -0800, sf<s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't need a reason.
>
> Meaning I don't do phony justifications like men do.

If you don't do phony justification, then what is your non-phony
justification for preferring cane sugar over beet sugar.

I would love to know your *authentic* justification for your preference.

:)


- Peter

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 5, 2011, 7:03:00 PM12/5/11
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Not when it comes to cooking. Bakers and confectioners know that cane sugar
is superior to beet sugar when it comes to cooking and baking.

Here's a link to a 1999 San Francisco Chronicle food article that discusses
the differences between the two in regards to baking and cooking:

http://goo.gl/VvGpN


(Now in regards to soft drinks, outside of a *possible* taste difference, I
don't know why cane sugar would be superior to beet sugar.)


- Peter

Al Eisner

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Dec 5, 2011, 7:04:28 PM12/5/11
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But, IMO, way-too-greasy pupusas. (Which is why I haven't been there for
them in a number of years, so my information could be way out of date, so
maybe I should try them again? Nah.) The "Donut Field" perhaps errs
toward the other extreme, but I prefered theirs.

I mentioned the coke at that place only as a public service announcement.
I very rarely drink the stuff regardless of what form of sugar is in it.
Or what kind of vegetable it comes from. Or what kind of car Todd
prefers (a trick question, of course).

That's my opinioin, and I don;'t have to explain it to any of you coke
snobs. Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!
--

Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA

Al Eisner

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Dec 5, 2011, 7:05:20 PM12/5/11
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Peter Lawrence wrote:

> I would love to know your *authentic* justification for your preference.

Really?

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 5, 2011, 7:08:06 PM12/5/11
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On 12/5/11 4:05 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Peter Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> I would love to know your *authentic* justification for your preference.
>
> Really?

Absolutely!

;)

evergene

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Dec 5, 2011, 8:25:24 PM12/5/11
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Al Eisner wrote:

[...]
>
>I mentioned the coke at that place only as a public service announcement.
>I very rarely drink the stuff regardless of what form of sugar is in it.
>Or what kind of vegetable it comes from. Or what kind of car Todd
>prefers (a trick question, of course).
>
>That's my opinioin, and I don;'t have to explain it to any of you coke
>snobs. Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!

Wow! If anyone is cut out for usenet, it's you! I bet you have some
remarkable audio equipment.

I can't remember the last time I drank any Coke, and I don't think I
could finish 12 ounces, but one or two swallows every couple of years
hits the spot. And don't even think about making the pun.

For a while I liked that Italian, or maybe it's pseudo-Italian, lemon
soda and orange soda that Trader Joe's sells, but even they taste too
sweet for me these days.

Steve Pope

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Dec 5, 2011, 8:28:28 PM12/5/11
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If it's from Mexico, shouldn't it be sweetened with agave?


Steve

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 5, 2011, 8:30:15 PM12/5/11
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In article <i8rqd7tk26l2tg0k2...@4ax.com>,
evergene <ge...@geeaitcheekaygee.com> wrote:
>For a while I liked that Italian, or maybe it's pseudo-Italian,
>lemon soda and orange soda that Trader Joe's sells, but even they
>taste too sweet for me these days.

I'm not generally a fan of sweet drinks, and rarely have them (one
circumstance is when it's been very hot and I have no appetite, and
want to give my brain something other than alcohol -- admittedly a
rare occasion), but outside of the mass-produced products, recent
years have seen more such craft drinks (not to mention that beer
creatively seems to be going great), and some can be kind of
interesting. I see more & more places offering their own housemade
bubbly & sweet beverages. Making something like that seems anything
but daunting, for those so inclined.

ObSnob: Used to be, making your own stuff was considered humble,
and it was uppity to buy a commercial product.

Aahz Maruch

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Dec 5, 2011, 8:31:51 PM12/5/11
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In article <jbjfv0$2ok9$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
They drink sugar water. Draw your own conclusions.
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
"My get-up-and-go got up and left."

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 5, 2011, 8:33:49 PM12/5/11
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In article <jbjra7$1it$1...@panix5.panix.com>, Aahz Maruch <aa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>In article <jbjfv0$2ok9$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
>Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
>>Do hummingbirds drink Coke?
>They drink sugar water. Draw your own conclusions.

I'm having a hard time envisioning most Americans as hummingbirds,
but that aside, if people were mixing up their own sugar water, I
might find it a bit odd, but not as amazing. Hell, we used to make
pancake syrup like that.

pfraser

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Dec 5, 2011, 11:59:08 PM12/5/11
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Peter Lawrence wrote:

>
> Here's a link to a 1999 San Francisco Chronicle food article that
> discusses the differences between the two in regards to baking and cooking:
>
> http://goo.gl/VvGpN

Interesting article. Thanks.
I'm not surprised by the differences in brown sugars,
but the differences between whites surprised me.
I checked McGee, but he's silent on this.

It's not clear from the Chronicle article what makes
the difference between cane and beet granulated sugar,
but it looks like they're suggesting it's the 0.05%
impurities.

Interestingly, McGee blames Napoleon for beet sugar:

"In 1811, the Emperor Napoleon officially set the goal
of freeing France from dependence on the English colonies
for various commodities, and in 1812 personally awarded
a medal to Benjamin Delesert who had developed a working
sugar-beet factory."


Steve Pope

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Dec 6, 2011, 12:09:25 AM12/6/11
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pfraser <pete_...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Peter Lawrence wrote:

>> http://goo.gl/VvGpN

>Interesting article. Thanks.
>I'm not surprised by the differences in brown sugars,
>but the differences between whites surprised me.
>I checked McGee, but he's silent on this.

Why not email McGee and ask? He's answered my questions before.

Steve

Peter Lawrence

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On 12/5/11 8:59 PM, pfraser wrote:
>
> It's not clear from the Chronicle article what makes
> the difference between cane and beet granulated sugar,
> but it looks like they're suggesting it's the 0.05%
> impurities.

It could also be the refining process, which is different for sugar cane and
beets.


- Peter

Steve Fenwick

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Dec 6, 2011, 1:10:13 AM12/6/11
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In article
<alpine.LRH.2.00....@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Travis James wrote:
>
> > On 12/4/2011 4:03 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
> >> On Sun, 4 Dec 2011, evergene wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve Fenwick wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My go-to vendor for Mexican Coke has been out for over two weeks. Is
> >>>> Costco still selling it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>
> >>> That's the trouble with this newsgroup. You open a message hoping to
> >>> find out where to score some crack, and you get soda pop.
> >>
> >> "You"? What a thing to say to Steve!
> >>
> >> By the way, I had lunch today at the Salvadorean restaurant/pupuseria
> >> in Mountain View known as "Donut Field". They had old-fashioned-looking
> >> bottles of coke; I failed to check the label, however (nor did I consume
> >> any), although I'm pretty sure (based on the overall beverage selection)
> >> thay they were Mexican. Pupusas pretty good, not at all greasy, but the
> >> curtado was quite mild, rather closer to American-style cole slaw than I
> >> normally expect.
> >
> > The Mountain View Salvadorian known as Tacqueria La Bamba (the original on
> > Old Middlefield and Rengstorff) has the Mexican bottled cokes.
>
> But, IMO, way-too-greasy pupusas. (Which is why I haven't been there for
> them in a number of years, so my information could be way out of date, so
> maybe I should try them again? Nah.) The "Donut Field" perhaps errs
> toward the other extreme, but I prefered theirs.

But excellent carnitas, either in a tortilla or plain on a plate.

> I mentioned the coke at that place only as a public service announcement.
> I very rarely drink the stuff regardless of what form of sugar is in it.
> Or what kind of vegetable it comes from. Or what kind of car Todd
> prefers (a trick question, of course).

The one on Castro also had Mexican Cokes; iirc, in 500ml bottles.

> That's my opinioin, and I don;'t have to explain it to any of you coke
> snobs. Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!

My Christmas tree prefers Mexican Coke to HFCS Coke, too.

Steve

--
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

Steve Fenwick

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In article <jbjr77$2p3b$1...@pangkur.medieval.org>,
mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:

> In article <i8rqd7tk26l2tg0k2...@4ax.com>,
> evergene <ge...@geeaitcheekaygee.com> wrote:
> >For a while I liked that Italian, or maybe it's pseudo-Italian,
> >lemon soda and orange soda that Trader Joe's sells, but even they
> >taste too sweet for me these days.
>
> I'm not generally a fan of sweet drinks, and rarely have them (one
> circumstance is when it's been very hot and I have no appetite, and
> want to give my brain something other than alcohol -- admittedly a
> rare occasion), but outside of the mass-produced products, recent
> years have seen more such craft drinks (not to mention that beer
> creatively seems to be going great), and some can be kind of
> interesting. I see more & more places offering their own housemade
> bubbly & sweet beverages. Making something like that seems anything
> but daunting, for those so inclined.

I seem to recall making sarsaparilla in Boy Scouts, or Webelos, or
something like that. Narsty stuff, all bitter.

I wonder if there is an age component to sugar vs. HFCS? I know that I
grew up on the sugar stuff; maybe positive, pleasant memories are
associated with that, and not with HFCS.

> ObSnob: Used to be, making your own stuff was considered humble,
> and it was uppity to buy a commercial product.

Class warfare! Class warfare! Gonna sick Uncle Bill on you!

Meg Worley

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Dec 6, 2011, 1:25:21 AM12/6/11
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Peter writes:
>Anyhow, how can someone who uses the word narsty even be thought of as being
>snobbish? I truly doubt that the word narsty is in any true snobs
>vocabulary. ;)

Are you, sir, challenging my snob credentials (or those of my sainted
father, whence the intensifier "narsty")? Ortolans at 50 paces!

ObFood(Snob): The big gloppy sandwiches at Mission City Coffee in
Santa Clara are clearly very much to the taste of some, but I would
not -- and indeed, do not -- count myself among them. Every
sandwich is hosed down with honey mustard, for a start -- whether
or not the menu announces it.


Rage away,

meg


--

Meg Worley _._ mmw...@gmail.com _._ Comparatively Literate

Meg Worley

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Dec 6, 2011, 1:30:26 AM12/6/11
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Al had written:
>>> By the way, I had lunch today at the Salvadorean restaurant/pupuseria
>>> in Mountain View known as "Donut Field". They had old-fashioned-looking
>>> bottles of coke; I failed to check the label, however (nor did I consume
>>> any), although I'm pretty sure (based on the overall beverage selection)
>>> thay they were Mexican. Pupusas pretty good, not at all greasy, but the
>>> curtado was quite mild, rather closer to American-style cole slaw than I
>>> normally expect.

Travis wrote:
>> The Mountain View Salvadorian known as Tacqueria La Bamba (the original on
>> Old Middlefield and Rengstorff) has the Mexican bottled cokes.

Al writes:
>But, IMO, way-too-greasy pupusas. (Which is why I haven't been there for
>them in a number of years, so my information could be way out of date, so
>maybe I should try them again? Nah.) The "Donut Field" perhaps errs
>toward the other extreme, but I prefered theirs.

I don't recall La Bamba's pupusas being all that great. I never
tried Donut Field's. How do they compare with El Calderon on,
wait for it, Calderon? Those are the best pupusas I remember
having up here.

(ObSoCalFood: Guasalmex in Pomona has the best pupusas I've had north
of El Salvador. And the cheapest -- I could feed a class of greedy
undergrads for less that $4/person. And they have the best. curtido. ever.)

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 6, 2011, 1:37:52 AM12/6/11
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In article <jbkcq2$9e5$1...@usenet.stanford.edu>,
Meg Worley <m...@steam.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>Those are the best pupusas I remember having up here.

The parent fundraising group at my partner's previous school site
made great pupusas, with very good curtido. This reminded me how
much I miss those.

But I live very near the original La Bamba, so that's my standard.
I thought Donut Field's were a bit on the dry side, and the curtido
is so plain as to be valueless, which is more or less what Al said,
except I'd rather have La Bamba. Sometimes La Bamba has some other
fillings, handwritten on the wall, which is welcome.

When I went to Donut Field, I didn't eat it, but what stood out for
me looking at what others got was the soups. (I am pretty sure I
posted about it here?)

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 6, 2011, 1:40:04 AM12/6/11
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In article <nospam-4C866A....@news.eternal-september.org>,
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>I wonder if there is an age component to sugar vs. HFCS?

I mentioned making sugar syrup for pancakes when I was a kid. We
also had Karo Syrup (corn syrup). Those were our two pancake
toppings, if there wasn't fruit, since maple was considered an
expensive luxury. So I had them side-by-side many times. Karo
came out of a commercial package, so it seemed fancier. :-|

spamtrap1888

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Dec 6, 2011, 1:52:48 AM12/6/11
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On Dec 5, 10:25 pm, m...@steam.Stanford.EDU (Meg Worley) wrote:

>
> ObFood(Snob): The big gloppy sandwiches at Mission City Coffee in
> Santa Clara are clearly very much to the taste of some, but I would
> not -- and indeed, do not -- count myself among them.  Every
> sandwich is hosed down with honey mustard, for a start -- whether
> or not the menu announces it.
>

If you need lunch in that neighborhood, I know no better pick-me-up
than a Oaxaqueno burrito from Henry's Fresh Mexican Grill on Franklin,
just north of SCU (and just east of Lafayette). I get it with chicken,
but steak is also available.

Chips are good; the medium salsa is my favorite.

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 6, 2011, 3:30:13 AM12/6/11
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Did you ever top your pancakes with just plain butter?

When I was a kid, beside using fake maple syrup (Log Cabin), we used to top
our pancakes with butter (or margarine) and often times a fruit jam (apricot
or strawberry) or orange marmalade.


- Peter

Todd Michel McComb

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Dec 6, 2011, 3:40:07 AM12/6/11
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In article <jbkjqm$mps$1...@dont-email.me>,
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Did you ever top your pancakes with just plain butter?

It's possible someone in the extended family did that, and big
pancake brunches were an extended family thing, but not me. I liked
my syrup when I was a kid. My memory is a bit hazy, but as I recall,
most people used some butter/margarine too, but I didn't.

>When I was a kid, beside using fake maple syrup (Log Cabin), we
>used to top our pancakes with butter (or margarine) and often times
>a fruit jam (apricot or strawberry) or orange marmalade.

We usually had some fruit compote, but not enough to use for as
many servings of pancakes as I would eat in those days. But in
those days, both that and jam/preserves would be home made, and no,
I don't think anyone thought to use preserves on pancakes.

Speaking for today, and I'm not entirely sure I've even had pancakes
in the past 10 years, but I wouldn't make the fluffy kind... it'd
be a thinner grainy kind (or the baked kind), and when I've done
that, some jam did indeed seem perfect to me as an adult. I'm sure
not going to be reaching for the Karo! In those days, it was the
big fluffy pancakes.

But yes, side-by-side taste tests of corn syrup and table sugar
syrup were a monthly thing for a while.

spamtrap1888

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Dec 6, 2011, 4:45:02 AM12/6/11
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On Dec 6, 12:40 am, mcc...@medieval.org (Todd Michel McComb) wrote:

> But yes, side-by-side taste tests of corn syrup and table sugar
> syrup were a monthly thing for a while.

For reference, Karo is a low fructose corn syrup. Glucose predominates
ten-to-one, and there are di-, tri-, and poly- saccharides, as well.

pfraser

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Dec 6, 2011, 9:22:03 AM12/6/11
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Peter Lawrence wrote:

>
> When I was a kid, beside using fake maple syrup (Log Cabin), we used to
> top our pancakes with butter (or margarine) and often times a fruit jam
> (apricot or strawberry) or orange marmalade.

We always used Lyle's Golden Syrup or Fowler's treacle.
I preferred the syrup, because the treacle (to my young
palate) had a bit of an acrid taste.

James Silverton

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Dec 6, 2011, 9:57:26 AM12/6/11
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My childhood memories of pancakes include the topping, which was a
dusting of cane sugar and then fresh orange juice. It's not too
surprising that I liked that; not far from Crepes Suzette isn't it?

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not* not.jim....@verizon.net

Aahz Maruch

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Dec 6, 2011, 10:21:06 AM12/6/11
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In article <jbkjqm$mps$1...@dont-email.me>,
Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>When I was a kid, beside using fake maple syrup (Log Cabin), we used to top
>our pancakes with butter (or margarine) and often times a fruit jam (apricot
>or strawberry) or orange marmalade.

Done that, but my family tradition is peanut butter and maple syrup.
Cheese is a common addition.

Meg Worley

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Dec 6, 2011, 10:44:46 AM12/6/11
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spamtrap1888 writes:
>If you need lunch in that neighborhood, I know no better pick-me-up
>than a Oaxaqueno burrito from Henry's Fresh Mexican Grill on Franklin,
>just north of SCU (and just east of Lafayette). I get it with chicken,
>but steak is also available.

Duly filed away -- thanks. I generally steer clear of the burrito
on principle -- it's just a giant log o' lunch -- but I'll try
something else there.

Gary Brainin

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Dec 6, 2011, 12:22:28 PM12/6/11
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On Dec 6, 7:44 am, m...@steam.Stanford.EDU (Meg Worley) wrote:
> [...] I generally steer clear of the burrito
> on principle -- it's just a giant log o' lunch

Funny, that's precisely the reason I steer toward the burrito. De
gustibus non est disputandum, eh?

-Gary

sms88

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Dec 6, 2011, 12:52:07 PM12/6/11
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On 12/5/2011 9:03 AM, spamtrap1888 wrote:

> The Mexi Coke I got from S&F was nothing special. I really like
> Passover Coke though. Did you run your taste test at Passover time?

Yes, because that's when Passover Coke is available. We were having a
party and one extended family member is a big Coke drinker so I would
buy some when he was visiting. Bought a case of Mexican Coke at Costco,
some bottles of Passover Coke at the Los Altos Lucky, and some cans of
regular coke.

Remember, that besides the difference in sweetener, the proportions of
syrup and water could be different, as could the level of carbonation.
It's not necessarily the sweetener that made the difference in the results.

I think that one of the appeals of Mexican Coke is the glass bottle. I
had promised my son an MC in a GB after a kayaking trip in the Bay, and
fortunately HD Supply (hardware store) in Santa Clara sells them which
was on the way home.

spamtrap1888

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Dec 6, 2011, 2:26:52 PM12/6/11
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On Dec 6, 7:44 am, m...@steam.Stanford.EDU (Meg Worley) wrote:
> spamtrap1888 writes:
> >If you need lunch in that neighborhood, I know no better pick-me-up
> >than a Oaxaqueno burrito from Henry's Fresh Mexican Grill on Franklin,
> >just north of SCU (and just east of Lafayette). I get it with chicken,
> >but steak is also available.
>
> Duly filed away -- thanks.  I generally steer clear of the burrito
> on principle -- it's just a giant log o' lunch -- but I'll try
> something else there.

Too bad, because the Oaxaqueno is sublime. It is soul-satisfying. It
makes you feel better about yourself and your place in the world. For
best results, do not eat more than once a week lest you become jaded,
however. And, it will not make you realize that there is a God.

It is not a rice and bean stuffed gut bomb, if that's what you're
afraid of. My wife does get a cheese quesadilla. The shrimp and the
fish tacos are said to be good. But, having discovered the Oaxaqueno,
I have not wanted to order anything else.

A yelper describes it better than I can:
"Oaxaqueno, which is a burrito with cheese, grilled chicken, guacamole
and pico de gallo. It's grilled, so it's toasty and the cheese is
melted."

Here is an accurate review, from the school paper of a couple years
ago. Over the years, they have pared back the bric a brac -- no more
Marilyn Monroe cutout.

http://www.thesantaclara.com/2.14532/inexpensive-excellence-right-around-corner-1.1868939#.Tt5qXlYyDT5


Al Eisner

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Dec 6, 2011, 5:31:08 PM12/6/11
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Todd Michel McComb wrote:

> In article <jbkcq2$9e5$1...@usenet.stanford.edu>,
> Meg Worley <m...@steam.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>> Those are the best pupusas I remember having up here.
>
> The parent fundraising group at my partner's previous school site
> made great pupusas, with very good curtido. This reminded me how
> much I miss those.

Thanks for correcting my spelling of curtido so quietly!

> But I live very near the original La Bamba, so that's my standard.
> I thought Donut Field's were a bit on the dry side, and the curtido
> is so plain as to be valueless, which is more or less what Al said,

Yes, I hedged a bit, but I do agree with you.

> except I'd rather have La Bamba. Sometimes La Bamba has some other
> fillings, handwritten on the wall, which is welcome.
>
> When I went to Donut Field, I didn't eat it, but what stood out for
> me looking at what others got was the soups. (I am pretty sure I
> posted about it here?)

I probably wouldn't order the pupusas there again, but I'm interested
in trying some of the other Salvadorean items, which would be more
novel for me. If I think of La Bamba's and Donut Field's pupusas
as being away from my ideal in opposite directions, a good middle
ground is met by Amelia's in Redwood City, for example. I like their
curtido as well, and also it is closer to where I live.

More completely, Meg had written:

> I don't recall La Bamba's pupusas being all that great. I never
> tried Donut Field's. How do they compare with El Calderon on,
> wait for it, Calderon? Those are the best pupusas I remember
> having up here.

I unfortunately have never tried El Calderon. I think the Salvadorean
food at Donut Field is a fairly recent development. When I first noticed
that, I assumed that they simply hadn't yet gotten around to changing
the large "Donut Field" lettering on the building. But it's still
there, and I found on trying it that they do indeed still have a display
rack of donuts for sale.
--

Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA

Peter Lawrence

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Dec 6, 2011, 6:20:26 PM12/6/11
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On 12/6/11 2:31 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
>
> I think the Salvadorean
> food at Donut Field is a fairly recent development. When I first noticed
> that, I assumed that they simply hadn't yet gotten around to changing
> the large "Donut Field" lettering on the building. But it's still there, and
> I found on trying it that they do indeed still have a display
> rack of donuts for sale.

Maybe they ought to change their name to "Campo del Buñuelo". ;)


- Peter

Golden California Girls

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Dec 6, 2011, 10:12:29 PM12/6/11
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On 12/6/11 9:52 AM, sms88 wrote:
> Remember, that besides the difference in sweetener, the proportions of
> syrup and water could be different, as could the level of carbonation. It's
> not necessarily the sweetener that made the difference in the results.

So true. My brother when he was over in Nam, back where there was only one
coke, could tell the difference between each bottling plant and tell you
which one it came from. They very the formula for the region of the
country it will be sold in.

Julian Macassey

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Dec 6, 2011, 11:35:20 PM12/6/11
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:12:29 -0800, Golden California Girls
<gldnc...@aol.com.mil> wrote:
>
> So true. My brother when he was over in Nam, back where there was only one
> coke, could tell the difference between each bottling plant and tell you
> which one it came from. They very the formula for the region of the
> country it will be sold in.

There are two major Coca-Cola lies.

1. It is a secret formula. How the hell could it be when
they probably have rooms full of people doing the purchasing, for
the thousands of tons of ingerdients they must get through each
year.

2. It is the same formula. It isn't. I don't drink it,
but I can tell the difference in different countries. I used to
bring Coke home to a friend who did drink Coke, he could
definately tell.

So, there is a chance that Mexican Coke, besides using
cane sugar, could be a different recipe.


--
It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through
disobedience and through rebellion. - Oscar Wilde

spamtrap1888

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Dec 7, 2011, 12:47:36 AM12/7/11
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On Dec 6, 8:35 pm, Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:12:29 -0800, Golden California Girls
>
> <gldncag...@aol.com.mil> wrote:
>
> > So true.  My brother when he was over in Nam, back where there was only one
> > coke, could tell the difference between each bottling plant and tell you
> > which one it came from.  They very the formula for the region of the
> > country it will be sold in.
>
>         There are two major Coca-Cola lies.
>
>         1. It is a secret formula. How the hell could it be when
> they probably have rooms full of people doing the purchasing, for
> the thousands of tons of ingerdients they must get through each
> year.
>
>         2. It is the same formula. It isn't. I don't drink it,
> but I can tell the difference in different countries. I used to
> bring Coke home to a friend who did drink Coke, he could
> definately tell.
>
>         So, there is a chance that Mexican Coke, besides using
> cane sugar, could be a different recipe.
>

My impression is that Passover Coke comes from Canada.

Meg Worley

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Dec 7, 2011, 5:00:46 PM12/7/11
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spamtrap1888 had written:
>> >If you need lunch in that neighborhood, I know no better pick-me-up
>> >than a Oaxaqueno burrito from Henry's Fresh Mexican Grill on Franklin,
>> >just north of SCU (and just east of Lafayette).

I wrote:
>> Duly filed away -- thanks. I generally steer clear of the burrito
>> on principle -- it's just a giant log o' lunch -- but I'll try
>> something else there.

He writes:
>It is not a rice and bean stuffed gut bomb, if that's what you're
>afraid of.

That is precisely what I'm afraid of.

>A yelper describes it better than I can:
>"Oaxaqueno, which is a burrito with cheese, grilled chicken, guacamole
>and pico de gallo. It's grilled, so it's toasty and the cheese is
>melted."

Okay, you've convinced me; I'll have a Oaxaque~o when I go. I'm
still skeptical about the whole log-o'-lunch concept, though, let
the record show.

Don Martinich

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Dec 7, 2011, 8:37:05 PM12/7/11
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In article <slrnjdtr88...@adeed.tele.com>,
Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:12:29 -0800, Golden California Girls
> <gldnc...@aol.com.mil> wrote:
> >
> > So true. My brother when he was over in Nam, back where there was only one
> > coke, could tell the difference between each bottling plant and tell you
> > which one it came from. They very the formula for the region of the
> > country it will be sold in.
>
> There are two major Coca-Cola lies.
>
> 1. It is a secret formula. How the hell could it be when
> they probably have rooms full of people doing the purchasing, for
> the thousands of tons of ingerdients they must get through each
> year.
>
> 2. It is the same formula. It isn't. I don't drink it,
> but I can tell the difference in different countries. I used to
> bring Coke home to a friend who did drink Coke, he could
> definately tell.
>
> So, there is a chance that Mexican Coke, besides using
> cane sugar, could be a different recipe.

I've noticed a difference in taste in both Coke and Pepsi in New Orleans
and Mexico. I've assumed it was a difference in sugar content for
different regions. (If you try Barq's root beer in Louisiana, beware of
diabetic shock.)

D.M.

sf

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Dec 8, 2011, 1:09:49 AM12/8/11
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:37:05 -0800, Don Martinich <dmart...@att.net>
wrote:

> (If you try Barq's root beer in Louisiana, beware of
> diabetic shock.)

No problem. I do *not* like Barq's.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
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